Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 To All, I want to thank you once again for your support and prayers regarding my mother. I am home this afternoon and this evening after 3 days and nights camping out at the hospital, intensive care and dealing with doctors and pharmacology and all the rest. I am due to return to the hospital this weekend, but in the meantime, I am in close contact with other family members, doctors and medical personal for my mother's care. I have had the chance to load up the conversations of JV since my departure - I have to tell you that I take my paperwork and computer with me everywhere - but I am often curtailed from responding or following through because of Internet connections or hospital rules. Anyway, As of this evening I am up to date. I must be realistic, or maybe because I am just plain weary, that I find the recent exchanges on JV to be exceptionally out of the ordinary of acceptance and true discussion for any kind of plausibility or learner or expansion. However, I find that I take learning input to heart and print out and try to apply it to the subject, at heart. So to, on the subject of the Dalai Lama there seems to be an acrimonious divide of thinking and applied true astrology. I find this to be very upsetting. It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and input. Maybe it is because I am so sensitive at the time because of the stress I am under personally, that I found myself writing to the office of the Holiness Dalai Lama today in India for as close as possible accurate information. If and when I get a response, I will share with all. In the meantime. I would ask that all be mindful that this forum is one of learning and respect for all. The issue of the Dalai Lama has no doubt plausible factors to support a Taurus Asc as well as a Gemini Asc. The biggest hangup seems to be Rahu in Sag. as to whether it is in the 7th or 8th hse. In the end, whether we ever get a confirmation to one or the other. Both should be recognized as plausible. It is the subject of ratification that we have entered into and that in itself can cause all sorts of chaos with a variety of opinions. Please, let us respect - from where we all come from in theory. The following is what I have to contribute without defining any one area as an absolute. The farming village where His Holiness was born is Taktser It's closest city for longitude and latitude is Ganjia which is the grassland area of the Shopane Valley of the Gansu region. It's Gangu Mountainous area is above the grasslands with a totally different longitude and latitude. Xining is the Capital of the Ginghai Province in the Tibetan Plateau located in central Amdo which is in the Eastern part of Ginghai and southern Gansu In 1935 the Chinese calendar was used until 1949 when it was changed to the Gregorian Calendar Therefore no Daylight Savings Time was used The time zone for Ganjia in 1935 was 6:44 (Sinkiang -Tibet Time Zone) The sun rose at 6:03am on 6 July 1935 Most people use 04:38am as the birth time - I believe this time has been used as a guess because it calculates out to 10 minutes before sunrise if one were to use the 6:44 Time Zone. in a Tropical Chart, where the lagna would show 3 degrees below the horizon. Using an 8:00 Time Zone by default by computers today gives a different Lagna Calculating the birth chart with the closest and most accurate information I have gather, using the sidereal Vedic Lahiri ayanamsh; this is what I have come up with: His Holiness the Dalai Lama 6 July 1935 04:38 (6:44 East of GMT) 102 E 30' 00'' 35 N 23'00 Ganjia, China Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanmasha Lagna: 17 Gemini 38' 58.27" Ardra/ruler Rahu Nakshatra ********************************* Also, I believe most have calculated His Holiness's Chart from a time zone of 8:00 (which was not instituted until 1949) and they use the Province city of Qinghai, which would give them a 28* Taurus 13' 37.34 or a 29* Taurus 54' depending on what software one is using. I remain, As Always - in respect, Uttara "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 To all, the following statement ////It is the subject of ratification that we have entered into and that in itself can cause all sorts of chaos with a variety of opinions.////// should read ......."rectifcation" that we have entered..... Uttara jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > To All, > > I want to thank you once again for your support and prayers regarding my mother. > > I am home this afternoon and this evening after 3 days and nights camping out at the hospital, intensive care and dealing with doctors and pharmacology and all the rest. > > I am due to return to the hospital this weekend, but in the meantime, I am in close contact with other family members, doctors and medical personal for my mother's care. > > I have had the chance to load up the conversations of JV since my departure - I have to tell you that I take my paperwork and computer with me everywhere - but I am often curtailed from responding or following through because of Internet connections or hospital rules. > > Anyway, As of this evening I am up to date. > > I must be realistic, or maybe because I am just plain weary, that I find the recent exchanges on JV to be exceptionally out of the ordinary of acceptance and true discussion for any kind of plausibility or learner or expansion. > However, I find that I take learning input to heart and print out and try to apply it to the subject, at heart. > > So to, on the subject of the Dalai Lama there seems to be an acrimonious divide of thinking and applied true astrology. I find this to be very upsetting. > > It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and input. > > Maybe it is because I am so sensitive at the time because of the stress I am under personally, that I found myself writing to the office of the Holiness Dalai Lama today in India for as close as possible accurate information. If and when I get a response, I will share with all. In the meantime. I would ask that all be mindful that this forum is one of learning and respect for all. > > The issue of the Dalai Lama has no doubt plausible factors to support a Taurus Asc as well as a Gemini Asc. The biggest hangup seems to be Rahu in Sag. as to whether it is in the 7th or 8th hse. > > In the end, whether we ever get a confirmation to one or the other. Both should be recognized as plausible. It is the subject of ratification that we have entered into and that in itself can cause all sorts of chaos with a variety of opinions. Please, let us respect - from where we all come from in theory. > > The following is what I have to contribute without defining any one area as an absolute. > > The farming village where His Holiness was born is Taktser > > It's closest city for longitude and latitude is Ganjia which is the grassland area of the Shopane Valley of the Gansu region. It's Gangu Mountainous area is above the grasslands with a totally different longitude and latitude. > > Xining is the Capital of the Ginghai Province in the Tibetan Plateau located in central Amdo which is in the Eastern part of Ginghai and southern Gansu > > In 1935 the Chinese calendar was used until 1949 when it was changed to the Gregorian Calendar > Therefore no Daylight Savings Time was used > The time zone for Ganjia in 1935 was 6:44 (Sinkiang -Tibet Time Zone) > > The sun rose at 6:03am on 6 July 1935 > > Most people use 04:38am as the birth time - I believe this time has been used as a guess because it calculates out to 10 minutes before sunrise if one were to use the 6:44 Time Zone. in a Tropical Chart, where the lagna would show 3 degrees below the horizon. Using an 8:00 Time Zone by default by computers today gives a different Lagna > > Calculating the birth chart with the closest and most accurate information I have gather, using the sidereal Vedic Lahiri ayanamsh; this is what I have come up with: > > His Holiness the Dalai Lama > 6 July 1935 > 04:38 (6:44 East of GMT) > 102 E 30' 00'' 35 N 23'00 > Ganjia, China > Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanmasha > Lagna: 17 Gemini 38' 58.27" Ardra/ruler Rahu Nakshatra > > ********************************* > > Also, I believe most have calculated His Holiness's Chart from a time zone of 8:00 (which was not instituted until 1949) > and they use the Province city of Qinghai, which would give them a 28* Taurus 13' 37.34 or a 29* Taurus 54' depending on what software one is using. > > I remain, > > As Always - in respect, > > Uttara > > > > > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 muttaraphalguni <muttaraphalguni wrote: To: jyotish-vidya "muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:30:40 -0000 Re: The Dalai Lama and its Discussion May I add the following personal staements for my clarification. His Holiness the Dalai Lama is often quoted, as his mother in her biography ,that her son was born just before Sun rise. Can his Holiness qualify what this really translates to? A Gemini Lagna can be accurate up to 1 and 1/2 hour before Sun rise. Any time longer would make for a Taurus Lagna I am also a Woman whose has given birth on more than one occasion and I know that if any one birth does not have any prolong labor or complicated delivery problems, then the after birth or placenta can take up to one half hour to be delivered. If the after birth is delivered relatively quickly, after the birth of the baby, then the clean up efforts of the mother entail at least a half hour of ordinary procedures. If the placenta took a while to be delivered and if there were any complications or excess bleeding then the after care of the mother would be longer. I am not sure where in the house or other area of her home surrounding, His Holiness's mother labored and then gave birth. I do know that her eldest daughter then 18yrs old acted as her midwife. Would the Holiness have any recollections of conversations with his sister in the years gone by, about the birth and the time of day that not only was His Holiness time of birth but that his mother was well enough to recognize the time of birth. During labor, at birth or after she was well cared for and resting. Also, in general practice, the sky begins to light about a half hour before the Sun actually rises. This too can make a difference. Using my calculations with Sun Rise at 06:03am. the sky should of been showing some gradual lightness as early as 05:33am 05:33am would give a Lahiri Lagna of 17* Gemini 7' 54" with a Ardra/Rahu Nakshatra Counting back from the 6:03am Sun Rise (which has been authenticated by the National Observatory of Astronomics) to complete one and 1/2 hour time previous of 06:03am to arrive at a Taurus Lagna, I get the following calculations: Using Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanamsha: 03:22 (6:22 East GMT) Lagna: 0* Gemini 20' 56.76 Mrigashira/Mars ruler Moon: 16* Leo 10 19.55" Purva Phalguni or 03:20 (6.44 East GMT) Lagna 29* Taurus 52' 02.60" Mirgashira/Mars ruler Moon: 16 Leo 09' 20.36" Purva Phalguni I remain respectfully, Uttara p.s. I feel the authenticity of those on either side of the Holiness's birth Lagna support its validity. However, considering that Rahu who is placed in Sagittarius can either be the 7th or 8th house - is the defining factor in His Holiness's outcome of destiny. This too, is something that our group is wrestling with. I would ever be so appreciative of any clarification that you might have. In the meantime, the discrepancy of birth time is world wide and very diverse. As Always, Uttara jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni wrote: > > To All, > > I want to thank you once again for your support and prayers regarding my mother. > > I am home this afternoon and this evening after 3 days and nights camping out at the hospital, intensive care and dealing with doctors and pharmacology and all the rest. > > I am due to return to the hospital this weekend, but in the meantime, I am in close contact with other family members, doctors and medical personal for my mother's care. > > I have had the chance to load up the conversations of JV since my departure - I have to tell you that I take my paperwork and computer with me everywhere - but I am often curtailed from responding or following through because of Internet connections or hospital rules. > > Anyway, As of this evening I am up to date. > > I must be realistic, or maybe because I am just plain weary, that I find the recent exchanges on JV to be exceptionally out of the ordinary of acceptance and true discussion for any kind of plausibility or learner or expansion. > However, I find that I take learning input to heart and print out and try to apply it to the subject, at heart. > > So to, on the subject of the Dalai Lama there seems to be an acrimonious divide of thinking and applied true astrology. I find this to be very upsetting. > > It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and input. > > Maybe it is because I am so sensitive at the time because of the stress I am under personally, that I found myself writing to the office of the Holiness Dalai Lama today in India for as close as possible accurate information. If and when I get a response, I will share with all. In the meantime. I would ask that all be mindful that this forum is one of learning and respect for all. > > The issue of the Dalai Lama has no doubt plausible factors to support a Taurus Asc as well as a Gemini Asc. The biggest hangup seems to be Rahu in Sag. as to whether it is in the 7th or 8th hse. > > In the end, whether we ever get a confirmation to one or the other. Both should be recognized as plausible. It is the subject of ratification that we have entered into and that in itself can cause all sorts of chaos with a variety of opinions. Please, let us respect - from where we all come from in theory. > > The following is what I have to contribute without defining any one area as an absolute. > > The farming village where His Holiness was born is Taktser > > It's closest city for longitude and latitude is Ganjia which is the grassland area of the Shopane Valley of the Gansu region. It's Gangu Mountainous area is above the grasslands with a totally different longitude and latitude. > > Xining is the Capital of the Ginghai Province in the Tibetan Plateau located in central Amdo which is in the Eastern part of Ginghai and southern Gansu > > In 1935 the Chinese calendar was used until 1949 when it was changed to the Gregorian Calendar > Therefore no Daylight Savings Time was used > The time zone for Ganjia in 1935 was 6:44 (Sinkiang -Tibet Time Zone) > > The sun rose at 6:03am on 6 July 1935 > > Most people use 04:38am as the birth time - I believe this time has been used as a guess because it calculates out to 10 minutes before sunrise if one were to use the 6:44 Time Zone. in a Tropical Chart, where the lagna would show 3 degrees below the horizon. Using an 8:00 Time Zone by default by computers today gives a different Lagna > > Calculating the birth chart with the closest and most accurate information I have gather, using the sidereal Vedic Lahiri ayanamsh; this is what I have come up with: > > His Holiness the Dalai Lama > 6 July 1935 > 04:38 (6:44 East of GMT) > 102 E 30' 00'' 35 N 23'00 > Ganjia, China > Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanmasha > Lagna: 17 Gemini 38' 58.27" Ardra/ruler Rahu Nakshatra > > ********************************* > > Also, I believe most have calculated His Holiness's Chart from a time zone of 8:00 (which was not instituted until 1949) > and they use the Province city of Qinghai, which would give them a 28* Taurus 13' 37.34 or a 29* Taurus 54' depending on what software one is using. > > I remain, > > As Always - in respect, > > Uttara > > > > > "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson > > > > > Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > Vedic astrology Personal reading Astrology chart Astrology software Visit your group "jyotish-vidya" on the web. jyotish-vidya "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne Williamson Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. 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Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Dear Uttara, //It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and input.// I'm more than happy to leave the list in the capable hands of others whilst I accept that retrograde 10th lord Jupiter (Gemini) weak in ShadBala, in 8th from 10th, is capable of bestowing the status and world wide renown that is his. I'm also happy to accept the aspect of aggressive/malefic Mars on 10th...perhaps this really does describe his actions in this world? And, yes! I'll even accept that this Mars in 4th does show his compassionate/tender heart and devotion to God etc..?? When we reach the stage where we have to accept such glaring contradictions for the sake of peace on the list then it's time (for me) to put away astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Postscript... //And, yes! I'll even accept that this Mars in 4th does show his compassionate/tender heart and devotion to God etc..??// Before the comment that Buddhists do not believe in God comes up, I need to point out that the "Buddha Within", "True Self", "Essential Nature of Mind (beyond illusion)" are all expressions of the same essential truth that some refer to as "God Within"... "I AM THAT" is the same in all religions whether it's called God or Buddha. That the Dalai Lama is truly devoted to this is beyond question. The question to be asked is this: Does malefic Mars in 4th truly show such devotion, or does lagnesh Venus/Moon better describe the quality of his heart/devotion? _____________________________ Dear Uttara, //It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and input.// I'm more than happy to leave the list in the capable hands of others whilst I accept that retrograde 10th lord Jupiter (Gemini) weak in ShadBala, in 8th from 10th, is capable of bestowing the status and world wide renown that is his. I'm also happy to accept the aspect of aggressive/malefic Mars on 10th...perhaps this really does describe his actions in this world? And, yes! I'll even accept that this Mars in 4th does show his compassionate/tender heart and devotion to God etc..?? When we reach the stage where we have to accept such glaring contradictions for the sake of peace on the list then it's time (for me) to put away astrology. Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Dear List, Rather than impose my views of the chart, it might be better to see what others have to say. I go back to Braha again mainly because the delineations are direct transcripts of taped sessions he had with eminent astrologers...and importantly it's written with clarity. Here (in part) is what Braha says: Mars in 4th House: "If Mars is in the 4th house the person will suffer on account of his mother. He will not get along with her and they will argue often. He is liable to have heart diseases. The person may be mean or cruel-hearted and will not be happy or content." [it goes without saying that benefic aspect/conjunction can of course soften this...this is not the case however in the Dalai Lama's chart.] Venus in 4th House: "This is the best position for Venus as it gets DikBala (directional strength) in the 4th house. The person will be happy and content. He will be kind, tender-hearted and capable of forgiving anyone. He will be close to his mother and will benefit from her. He will be diplomatic and well liked by everyone." Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha Says: "Malefics in the 4th house, unless he be the lord of the first or the fourth house, impair happiness in respect of the fourth house affairs. The Sun (or) Mars cause trouble in the region of the chest (heart etc) due to imbalance of Pitta...this is particularly so if they are lord of evil houses." [Mars owning 6th/11th houses is a dire malefic for Gemini lagna] I'll leave you all in peace now to make up your own minds... Best Wishes, Mrs. Wendy http://JyotishVidya.com ______________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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