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To All,

 

I want to thank you once again for your support and prayers regarding my

mother.

 

I am home this afternoon and this evening after 3 days and nights camping out

at the hospital, intensive care and dealing with doctors and pharmacology and

all the rest.

 

I am due to return to the hospital this weekend, but in the meantime, I am in

close contact with other family members, doctors and medical personal for my

mother's care.

 

I have had the chance to load up the conversations of JV since my departure -

I have to tell you that I take my paperwork and computer with me everywhere -

but I am often curtailed from responding or following through because of

Internet connections or hospital rules.

 

Anyway, As of this evening I am up to date.

 

I must be realistic, or maybe because I am just plain weary, that I find the

recent exchanges on JV to be exceptionally out of the ordinary of acceptance and

true discussion for any kind of plausibility or learner or expansion.

However, I find that I take learning input to heart and print out and try to

apply it to the subject, at heart.

 

So to, on the subject of the Dalai Lama there seems to be an acrimonious

divide of thinking and applied true astrology. I find this to be very

upsetting.

 

It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and research be

acknowledged for it and those that are the learned members of this forum speak

up to refine their own plausibility without taking another down. After all the

majority of us here are students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority

of any one of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to

purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of

knowledge and input.

 

Maybe it is because I am so sensitive at the time because of the stress I am

under personally, that I found myself writing to the office of the Holiness

Dalai Lama today in India for as close as possible accurate information. If and

when I get a response, I will share with all. In the meantime. I would ask

that all be mindful that this forum is one of learning and respect for all.

 

The issue of the Dalai Lama has no doubt plausible factors to support a Taurus

Asc as well as a Gemini Asc. The biggest hangup seems to be Rahu in Sag. as to

whether it is in the 7th or 8th hse.

 

In the end, whether we ever get a confirmation to one or the other. Both

should be recognized as plausible. It is the subject of ratification that we

have entered into and that in itself can cause all sorts of chaos with a variety

of opinions. Please, let us respect - from where we all come from in theory.

 

The following is what I have to contribute without defining any one area as an

absolute.

 

The farming village where His Holiness was born is Taktser

 

It's closest city for longitude and latitude is Ganjia which is the grassland

area of the Shopane Valley of the Gansu region. It's Gangu Mountainous area is

above the grasslands with a totally different longitude and latitude.

 

Xining is the Capital of the Ginghai Province in the Tibetan Plateau located

in central Amdo which is in the Eastern part of Ginghai and southern Gansu

 

In 1935 the Chinese calendar was used until 1949 when it was changed to the

Gregorian Calendar

Therefore no Daylight Savings Time was used

The time zone for Ganjia in 1935 was 6:44 (Sinkiang -Tibet Time Zone)

 

The sun rose at 6:03am on 6 July 1935

 

Most people use 04:38am as the birth time - I believe this time has been used

as a guess because it calculates out to 10 minutes before sunrise if one were to

use the 6:44 Time Zone. in a Tropical Chart, where the lagna would show 3

degrees below the horizon. Using an 8:00 Time Zone by default by computers

today gives a different Lagna

 

Calculating the birth chart with the closest and most accurate information I

have gather, using the sidereal Vedic Lahiri ayanamsh; this is what I have come

up with:

 

His Holiness the Dalai Lama

6 July 1935

04:38 (6:44 East of GMT)

102 E 30' 00'' 35 N 23'00

Ganjia, China

Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanmasha

Lagna: 17 Gemini 38' 58.27" Ardra/ruler Rahu Nakshatra

 

*********************************

 

Also, I believe most have calculated His Holiness's Chart from a time zone of

8:00 (which was not instituted until 1949)

and they use the Province city of Qinghai, which would give them a 28* Taurus

13' 37.34 or a 29* Taurus 54' depending on what software one is using.

 

I remain,

 

As Always - in respect,

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our deepest fear is

that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that

most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give

other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear,

our presence automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by

Marianne Williamson

 

 

 

 

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To all,

 

the following statement

 

 

////It is the subject of ratification that we

have entered into and that in itself can cause all sorts of chaos

with a variety of opinions.//////

 

should read

 

......."rectifcation" that we have entered.....

 

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni

wrote:

>

> To All,

>

> I want to thank you once again for your support and prayers

regarding my mother.

>

> I am home this afternoon and this evening after 3 days and

nights camping out at the hospital, intensive care and dealing with

doctors and pharmacology and all the rest.

>

> I am due to return to the hospital this weekend, but in the

meantime, I am in close contact with other family members, doctors

and medical personal for my mother's care.

>

> I have had the chance to load up the conversations of JV since

my departure - I have to tell you that I take my paperwork and

computer with me everywhere - but I am often curtailed from

responding or following through because of Internet connections or

hospital rules.

>

> Anyway, As of this evening I am up to date.

>

> I must be realistic, or maybe because I am just plain weary,

that I find the recent exchanges on JV to be exceptionally out of

the ordinary of acceptance and true discussion for any kind of

plausibility or learner or expansion.

> However, I find that I take learning input to heart and print

out and try to apply it to the subject, at heart.

>

> So to, on the subject of the Dalai Lama there seems to be an

acrimonious divide of thinking and applied true astrology. I find

this to be very upsetting.

>

> It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and

research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned

members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility

without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are

students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one

of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to

purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years

of knowledge and input.

>

> Maybe it is because I am so sensitive at the time because of the

stress I am under personally, that I found myself writing to the

office of the Holiness Dalai Lama today in India for as close as

possible accurate information. If and when I get a response, I will

share with all. In the meantime. I would ask that all be mindful

that this forum is one of learning and respect for all.

>

> The issue of the Dalai Lama has no doubt plausible factors to

support a Taurus Asc as well as a Gemini Asc. The biggest hangup

seems to be Rahu in Sag. as to whether it is in the 7th or 8th hse.

>

> In the end, whether we ever get a confirmation to one or the

other. Both should be recognized as plausible. It is the subject

of ratification that we have entered into and that in itself can

cause all sorts of chaos with a variety of opinions. Please, let us

respect - from where we all come from in theory.

>

> The following is what I have to contribute without defining any

one area as an absolute.

>

> The farming village where His Holiness was born is Taktser

>

> It's closest city for longitude and latitude is Ganjia which is

the grassland area of the Shopane Valley of the Gansu region. It's

Gangu Mountainous area is above the grasslands with a totally

different longitude and latitude.

>

> Xining is the Capital of the Ginghai Province in the Tibetan

Plateau located in central Amdo which is in the Eastern part of

Ginghai and southern Gansu

>

> In 1935 the Chinese calendar was used until 1949 when it was

changed to the Gregorian Calendar

> Therefore no Daylight Savings Time was used

> The time zone for Ganjia in 1935 was 6:44 (Sinkiang -Tibet Time

Zone)

>

> The sun rose at 6:03am on 6 July 1935

>

> Most people use 04:38am as the birth time - I believe this time

has been used as a guess because it calculates out to 10 minutes

before sunrise if one were to use the 6:44 Time Zone. in a Tropical

Chart, where the lagna would show 3 degrees below the horizon.

Using an 8:00 Time Zone by default by computers today gives a

different Lagna

>

> Calculating the birth chart with the closest and most accurate

information I have gather, using the sidereal Vedic Lahiri

ayanamsh; this is what I have come up with:

>

> His Holiness the Dalai Lama

> 6 July 1935

> 04:38 (6:44 East of GMT)

> 102 E 30' 00'' 35 N 23'00

> Ganjia, China

> Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanmasha

> Lagna: 17 Gemini 38' 58.27" Ardra/ruler Rahu Nakshatra

>

> *********************************

>

> Also, I believe most have calculated His Holiness's Chart from a

time zone of 8:00 (which was not instituted until 1949)

> and they use the Province city of Qinghai, which would give them

a 28* Taurus 13' 37.34 or a 29* Taurus 54' depending on what

software one is using.

>

> I remain,

>

> As Always - in respect,

>

> Uttara

>

>

>

>

> "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our

own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do

the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence

automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne

Williamson

>

>

>

>

> Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously

low rates.

>

>

>

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jyotish-vidya

"muttaraphalguni" <muttaraphalguni

Fri, 24 Mar 2006 02:30:40 -0000

Re: The Dalai Lama and its Discussion

 

May I add the following personal staements for my clarification.

 

His Holiness the Dalai Lama is often quoted, as his mother in her

biography ,that her son was born just before Sun rise.

 

Can his Holiness qualify what this really translates to?

 

A Gemini Lagna can be accurate up to 1 and 1/2 hour before Sun

rise. Any time longer would make for a Taurus Lagna

 

I am also a Woman whose has given birth on more than one occasion

and I know that if any one birth does not have any prolong labor or

complicated delivery problems, then the after birth or placenta can

take up to one half hour to be delivered. If the after birth is

delivered relatively quickly, after the birth of the baby, then the

clean up efforts of the mother entail at least a half hour of

ordinary procedures. If the placenta took a while to be delivered

and if there were any complications or excess bleeding then the

after care of the mother would be longer.

 

I am not sure where in the house or other area of her home

surrounding, His Holiness's mother labored and then gave birth. I

do know that her eldest daughter then 18yrs old acted as her

midwife. Would the Holiness have any recollections of conversations

with his sister in the years gone by, about the birth and the time

of day that not only was His Holiness time of birth but that his

mother was well enough to recognize the time of birth. During

labor, at birth or after she was well cared for and resting.

 

Also, in general practice, the sky begins to light about a half hour

before the Sun actually rises. This too can make a difference.

 

Using my calculations with Sun Rise at 06:03am. the sky should of

been showing some gradual lightness as early as 05:33am

 

05:33am would give a Lahiri Lagna of 17* Gemini 7' 54" with a

Ardra/Rahu Nakshatra

 

Counting back from the 6:03am Sun Rise (which has been authenticated

by the National Observatory of Astronomics) to complete one and

1/2 hour time previous of 06:03am to arrive at a Taurus Lagna, I get

the following calculations:

 

Using Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanamsha:

 

03:22 (6:22 East GMT)

Lagna: 0* Gemini 20' 56.76 Mrigashira/Mars ruler

Moon: 16* Leo 10 19.55" Purva Phalguni

 

or

 

03:20 (6.44 East GMT)

Lagna 29* Taurus 52' 02.60" Mirgashira/Mars ruler

Moon: 16 Leo 09' 20.36" Purva Phalguni

 

I remain respectfully,

Uttara

 

p.s. I feel the authenticity of those on either side of the

Holiness's birth Lagna support its validity. However, considering

that Rahu who is placed in Sagittarius can either be the 7th or 8th

house - is the defining factor in His Holiness's outcome of

destiny. This too, is something that our group is wrestling with.

I would ever be so appreciative of any clarification that you might

have. In the meantime, the discrepancy of birth time is world wide

and very diverse.

 

As Always,

Uttara

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni

wrote:

>

> To All,

>

> I want to thank you once again for your support and prayers

regarding my mother.

>

> I am home this afternoon and this evening after 3 days and

nights camping out at the hospital, intensive care and dealing with

doctors and pharmacology and all the rest.

>

> I am due to return to the hospital this weekend, but in the

meantime, I am in close contact with other family members, doctors

and medical personal for my mother's care.

>

> I have had the chance to load up the conversations of JV since

my departure - I have to tell you that I take my paperwork and

computer with me everywhere - but I am often curtailed from

responding or following through because of Internet connections or

hospital rules.

>

> Anyway, As of this evening I am up to date.

>

> I must be realistic, or maybe because I am just plain weary,

that I find the recent exchanges on JV to be exceptionally out of

the ordinary of acceptance and true discussion for any kind of

plausibility or learner or expansion.

> However, I find that I take learning input to heart and print

out and try to apply it to the subject, at heart.

>

> So to, on the subject of the Dalai Lama there seems to be an

acrimonious divide of thinking and applied true astrology. I find

this to be very upsetting.

>

> It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and

research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned

members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility

without taking another down. After all the majority of us here are

students. In that vain, I don't think that the majority of any one

of us questioning or putting forward our thoughts are doing so to

purposely undermine or disrespect a learned astrologer of many years

of knowledge and input.

>

> Maybe it is because I am so sensitive at the time because of the

stress I am under personally, that I found myself writing to the

office of the Holiness Dalai Lama today in India for as close as

possible accurate information. If and when I get a response, I will

share with all. In the meantime. I would ask that all be mindful

that this forum is one of learning and respect for all.

>

> The issue of the Dalai Lama has no doubt plausible factors to

support a Taurus Asc as well as a Gemini Asc. The biggest hangup

seems to be Rahu in Sag. as to whether it is in the 7th or 8th hse.

>

> In the end, whether we ever get a confirmation to one or the

other. Both should be recognized as plausible. It is the subject

of ratification that we have entered into and that in itself can

cause all sorts of chaos with a variety of opinions. Please, let us

respect - from where we all come from in theory.

>

> The following is what I have to contribute without defining any

one area as an absolute.

>

> The farming village where His Holiness was born is Taktser

>

> It's closest city for longitude and latitude is Ganjia which is

the grassland area of the Shopane Valley of the Gansu region. It's

Gangu Mountainous area is above the grasslands with a totally

different longitude and latitude.

>

> Xining is the Capital of the Ginghai Province in the Tibetan

Plateau located in central Amdo which is in the Eastern part of

Ginghai and southern Gansu

>

> In 1935 the Chinese calendar was used until 1949 when it was

changed to the Gregorian Calendar

> Therefore no Daylight Savings Time was used

> The time zone for Ganjia in 1935 was 6:44 (Sinkiang -Tibet Time

Zone)

>

> The sun rose at 6:03am on 6 July 1935

>

> Most people use 04:38am as the birth time - I believe this time

has been used as a guess because it calculates out to 10 minutes

before sunrise if one were to use the 6:44 Time Zone. in a Tropical

Chart, where the lagna would show 3 degrees below the horizon.

Using an 8:00 Time Zone by default by computers today gives a

different Lagna

>

> Calculating the birth chart with the closest and most accurate

information I have gather, using the sidereal Vedic Lahiri

ayanamsh; this is what I have come up with:

>

> His Holiness the Dalai Lama

> 6 July 1935

> 04:38 (6:44 East of GMT)

> 102 E 30' 00'' 35 N 23'00

> Ganjia, China

> Sidereal Vedic Lahiri Ayanmasha

> Lagna: 17 Gemini 38' 58.27" Ardra/ruler Rahu Nakshatra

>

> *********************************

>

> Also, I believe most have calculated His Holiness's Chart from a

time zone of 8:00 (which was not instituted until 1949)

> and they use the Province city of Qinghai, which would give them

a 28* Taurus 13' 37.34 or a 29* Taurus 54' depending on what

software one is using.

>

> I remain,

>

> As Always - in respect,

>

> Uttara

>

>

>

>

> "Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate, our

deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our

light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our

own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do

the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence

automatically liberates others." from A Return To Love: by Marianne

Williamson

>

>

>

>

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low rates.

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most frightens us......As we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give

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Dear Uttara,

 

//It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and

research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned

members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility

without taking another down.

 

After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I

don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting

forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or

disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and

input.//

 

I'm more than happy to leave the list in the capable hands of others

whilst I accept that retrograde 10th lord Jupiter (Gemini) weak in

ShadBala, in 8th from 10th, is capable of bestowing the status and

world wide renown that is his. I'm also happy to accept the aspect of

aggressive/malefic Mars on 10th...perhaps this really does describe

his actions in this world? And, yes! I'll even accept that this Mars

in 4th does show his compassionate/tender heart and devotion to God

etc..??

 

When we reach the stage where we have to accept such glaring

contradictions for the sake of peace on the list then it's time (for

me) to put away astrology.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Postscript...

 

//And, yes! I'll even accept that this Mars in 4th does show his

compassionate/tender heart and devotion to God etc..??//

 

Before the comment that Buddhists do not believe in God comes up, I

need to point out that the "Buddha Within", "True Self", "Essential

Nature of Mind (beyond illusion)" are all expressions of the same

essential truth that some refer to as "God Within"... "I AM THAT" is

the same in all religions whether it's called God or Buddha.

 

That the Dalai Lama is truly devoted to this is beyond question. The

question to be asked is this: Does malefic Mars in 4th truly show

such devotion, or does lagnesh Venus/Moon better describe the quality

of his heart/devotion?

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Dear Uttara,

 

//It is my wish, that all that express their valid findings and

research be acknowledged for it and those that are the learned

members of this forum speak up to refine their own plausibility

without taking another down.

 

After all the majority of us here are students. In that vain, I

don't think that the majority of any one of us questioning or putting

forward our thoughts are doing so to purposely undermine or

disrespect a learned astrologer of many years of knowledge and

input.//

 

I'm more than happy to leave the list in the capable hands of others

whilst I accept that retrograde 10th lord Jupiter (Gemini) weak in

ShadBala, in 8th from 10th, is capable of bestowing the status and

world wide renown that is his. I'm also happy to accept the aspect of

aggressive/malefic Mars on 10th...perhaps this really does describe

his actions in this world? And, yes! I'll even accept that this Mars

in 4th does show his compassionate/tender heart and devotion to God

etc..??

 

When we reach the stage where we have to accept such glaring

contradictions for the sake of peace on the list then it's time (for

me) to put away astrology.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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Dear List,

 

Rather than impose my views of the chart, it might be better to see

what others have to say. I go back to Braha again mainly because the

delineations are direct transcripts of taped sessions he had with

eminent astrologers...and importantly it's written with clarity. Here

(in part) is what Braha says:

 

Mars in 4th House:

"If Mars is in the 4th house the person will suffer on account of his

mother. He will not get along with her and they will argue often. He

is liable to have heart diseases. The person may be mean or

cruel-hearted and will not be happy or content."

[it goes without saying that benefic aspect/conjunction can of course

soften this...this is not the case however in the Dalai Lama's

chart.]

 

Venus in 4th House:

"This is the best position for Venus as it gets DikBala (directional

strength) in the 4th house. The person will be happy and content. He

will be kind, tender-hearted and capable of forgiving anyone. He will

be close to his mother and will benefit from her. He will be

diplomatic and well liked by everyone."

 

Pandit Gopesh Kumar Ojha Says:

"Malefics in the 4th house, unless he be the lord of the first or the

fourth house, impair happiness in respect of the fourth house

affairs. The Sun (or) Mars cause trouble in the region of the chest

(heart etc) due to imbalance of Pitta...this is particularly so if

they are lord of evil houses."

[Mars owning 6th/11th houses is a dire malefic for Gemini lagna]

 

I'll leave you all in peace now to make up your own minds...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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