The Dalai Lama and its Discussion: 4th hse.

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PS: A very important point to remember here is this:

If a planet occupying a bhava supports one particular signification

of that bhava but opposes all the other significations then we have

to know something is very wrong. Do we just turn a blind eye to the

other significations because Mars indicates conflict on the home

front? It's important to consider all the significations of the

bhavas - not just one!

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Dear Neena and all participating in this discussion,

 

I've had a mail from Vasudev advocating Mars in 4th based solely on

the invasion of the Dalai Lama's homeland. However, as we know, 4th

house governs much, much more than this...

 

I'm rather pushed for time at the moment so I must make this brief

(for now)...perhaps we can discuss it in greater length another time.

 

Briefly then, we know that 12th (from any house) has basically the

same significance in relation to the house it's positioned from as

12th from 1st has on the native himself. 12th is first and foremost

the house of loss and, with 3rd lord in 4th (12th from 4th), it can

certainly indicate loss in connection to the native's homeland.

Looking back in history it seems that Tibet might have been a

province of the Chinese at the time of the Yuan Dynasty. How true

this is I truly don't know and I certainly don't want to stray into

the political arena. However, if this is so, then 3rd lord MOON in

4th assumes much, much greater significance.

 

We also need to consider the position of 4th lord Sun who occupies

nakshatra of Rahu, is conjunct Ketu and aspected by Rahu's dispositor

(8th lord) etc, etc.. It's not difficult to see the difficulties

related to the DL's homeland with the Taurus lagna. But, as I said,

4th house governs many things, and certainly, the qualities of

compassion, devotion and kindness that everyone recognises in the

Dalai Lama's character are a testament to lagnesh Venus in this

house. The aspect on 10th lord in 10th is further testament to his

efforts to promote peace and harmony in this world.

 

Compare this with F/M Mars in 4th aspecting 10th...with no benefic

aspect! Does this Mars speak of a heart full of loving kindness, of

his sincere actions in this world to promote peace and harmony. We

know these are not the qualities of aggressive Mars - his nature is

to fight, to retaliate (he is the commander in chief after all). Can

we honestly say this is the Dalai Lama the world knows! He has never

fought back against the Chinese but has rather sought peaceful means

to resolve the situation.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

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dear Wendy,

 

I have been inclined to believe that the lagna is Taurus last

navamsa.

Mars in the 4th would be not only bad for the 4th house

significations, but also would be affecting the 7th house, the 10th

and the 11th adversely.

 

In Dl's case, this is not found to be so.

Merely looking to the 4th house effects of Mars is not ok.

 

Regarding Rahu dasa, Rahu in the 8th is quite authorised to bring

about a radical change in the native's life whether it is

physically, materially or in his thinking.

 

Not only that, Rahu, as you justifiably pointed out, is also capable

of conferring awards on a native. But these effects have to be

looked for in conjunction with the dasas running and transits

affecting the same.

 

Saturn in the 10th house, its Mooltrikon, is responsible for a life

of penance , prayers , meditation and renunciation.

 

We will perhaps never be able to get the absolutely right birthtime

ever, so let us all agree to disagree between the two lagnas and get

along with other astro topics. Though my vote would be for Taurus.

 

Regards,

 

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena and all participating in this discussion,

>

> I've had a mail from Vasudev advocating Mars in 4th based solely

on

> the invasion of the Dalai Lama's homeland. However, as we know,

4th

> house governs much, much more than this...

>

> I'm rather pushed for time at the moment so I must make this brief

> (for now)...perhaps we can discuss it in greater length another

time.

>

> Briefly then, we know that 12th (from any house) has basically the

> same significance in relation to the house it's positioned from as

> 12th from 1st has on the native himself. 12th is first and

foremost

> the house of loss and, with 3rd lord in 4th (12th from 4th), it

can

> certainly indicate loss in connection to the native's homeland.

> Looking back in history it seems that Tibet might have been a

> province of the Chinese at the time of the Yuan Dynasty. How true

> this is I truly don't know and I certainly don't want to stray

into

> the political arena. However, if this is so, then 3rd lord MOON in

> 4th assumes much, much greater significance.

>

> We also need to consider the position of 4th lord Sun who occupies

> nakshatra of Rahu, is conjunct Ketu and aspected by Rahu's

dispositor

> (8th lord) etc, etc.. It's not difficult to see the difficulties

> related to the DL's homeland with the Taurus lagna. But, as I

said,

> 4th house governs many things, and certainly, the qualities of

> compassion, devotion and kindness that everyone recognises in the

> Dalai Lama's character are a testament to lagnesh Venus in this

> house. The aspect on 10th lord in 10th is further testament to his

> efforts to promote peace and harmony in this world.

>

> Compare this with F/M Mars in 4th aspecting 10th...with no benefic

> aspect! Does this Mars speak of a heart full of loving kindness,

of

> his sincere actions in this world to promote peace and harmony. We

> know these are not the qualities of aggressive Mars - his nature

is

> to fight, to retaliate (he is the commander in chief after all).

Can

> we honestly say this is the Dalai Lama the world knows! He has

never

> fought back against the Chinese but has rather sought peaceful

means

> to resolve the situation.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

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Dear Neena, Wendy and All,

 

Briefly here, as I am away from my desk with family matters and on another

Internet connection for use.

 

I just wanted to acknowledge that my 23 March inquiry to His Holiness's birth

data at his private office in India was personally answered on 27 March. I have

been directed elsewhere in India to obtain (hopefully) accurate birth data or as

close as one can get.. I was given not only an address and phone number but two

email contacts. I am very excited and humbled that HIs Holiness's office would

take the time to read my inquiry and then instead of throwing it in the waste

basket, were kind enough to answer and lead me to the correct source for

information.

 

Hopefully, pursuing my inquiry, I will receive an accurate answer to His

Holiness's birth data from his birth certificate that is on official record

there.

 

In the meantime, I do agree that without a birth time we will never really

know for sure which Lagna, even though the discussion favors a Taurus Lagna per

his Holiness's character and events in his life.

 

Thanks Neena for you beginning contribution a week ago on the Chandra lagana.

It was good to read from you and Patrice and Wendy on this position. And, I

feel that this is the closes perspective one can have for interpreting His

Holiness's natal chart.

 

As Always,

 

Uttara

 

neenako <neenako wrote:

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dear Wendy,

 

I have been inclined to believe that the lagna is Taurus last

navamsa.

Mars in the 4th would be not only bad for the 4th house

significations, but also would be affecting the 7th house, the 10th

and the 11th adversely.

 

In Dl's case, this is not found to be so.

Merely looking to the 4th house effects of Mars is not ok.

 

Regarding Rahu dasa, Rahu in the 8th is quite authorised to bring

about a radical change in the native's life whether it is

physically, materially or in his thinking.

 

Not only that, Rahu, as you justifiably pointed out, is also capable

of conferring awards on a native. But these effects have to be

looked for in conjunction with the dasas running and transits

affecting the same.

 

Saturn in the 10th house, its Mooltrikon, is responsible for a life

of penance , prayers , meditation and renunciation.

 

We will perhaps never be able to get the absolutely right birthtime

ever, so let us all agree to disagree between the two lagnas and get

along with other astro topics. Though my vote would be for Taurus.

 

Regards,

 

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena and all participating in this discussion,

>

> I've had a mail from Vasudev advocating Mars in 4th based solely

on

> the invasion of the Dalai Lama's homeland. However, as we know,

4th

> house governs much, much more than this...

>

> I'm rather pushed for time at the moment so I must make this brief

> (for now)...perhaps we can discuss it in greater length another

time.

>

> Briefly then, we know that 12th (from any house) has basically the

> same significance in relation to the house it's positioned from as

> 12th from 1st has on the native himself. 12th is first and

foremost

> the house of loss and, with 3rd lord in 4th (12th from 4th), it

can

> certainly indicate loss in connection to the native's homeland.

> Looking back in history it seems that Tibet might have been a

> province of the Chinese at the time of the Yuan Dynasty. How true

> this is I truly don't know and I certainly don't want to stray

into

> the political arena. However, if this is so, then 3rd lord MOON in

> 4th assumes much, much greater significance.

>

> We also need to consider the position of 4th lord Sun who occupies

> nakshatra of Rahu, is conjunct Ketu and aspected by Rahu's

dispositor

> (8th lord) etc, etc.. It's not difficult to see the difficulties

> related to the DL's homeland with the Taurus lagna. But, as I

said,

> 4th house governs many things, and certainly, the qualities of

> compassion, devotion and kindness that everyone recognises in the

> Dalai Lama's character are a testament to lagnesh Venus in this

> house. The aspect on 10th lord in 10th is further testament to his

> efforts to promote peace and harmony in this world.

>

> Compare this with F/M Mars in 4th aspecting 10th...with no benefic

> aspect! Does this Mars speak of a heart full of loving kindness,

of

> his sincere actions in this world to promote peace and harmony. We

> know these are not the qualities of aggressive Mars - his nature

is

> to fight, to retaliate (he is the commander in chief after all).

Can

> we honestly say this is the Dalai Lama the world knows! He has

never

> fought back against the Chinese but has rather sought peaceful

means

> to resolve the situation.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ______________________________

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Uttara,

 

Its great to hear from you.

And what wonderful news that you were able to get through to the

right people regarding DL's d.o.b etc.

 

Nothing could be better to resolve the doubts.

 

Hope things are ok with you and the family,

 

As ever,

Neena

-- In jyotish-vidya, Uttara <muttaraphalguni

wrote:

>

> Dear Neena, Wendy and All,

>

> Briefly here, as I am away from my desk with family matters and

on another Internet connection for use.

>

> I just wanted to acknowledge that my 23 March inquiry to His

Holiness's birth data at his private office in India was personally

answered on 27 March. I have been directed elsewhere in India to

obtain (hopefully) accurate birth data or as close as one can get..

I was given not only an address and phone number but two email

contacts. I am very excited and humbled that HIs Holiness's office

would take the time to read my inquiry and then instead of throwing

it in the waste basket, were kind enough to answer and lead me to

the correct source for information.

>

> Hopefully, pursuing my inquiry, I will receive an accurate

answer to His Holiness's birth data from his birth certificate that

is on official record there.

>

> In the meantime, I do agree that without a birth time we will

never really know for sure which Lagna, even though the discussion

favors a Taurus Lagna per his Holiness's character and events in his

life.

>

> Thanks Neena for you beginning contribution a week ago on the

Chandra lagana. It was good to read from you and Patrice and Wendy

on this position. And, I feel that this is the closes perspective

one can have for interpreting His Holiness's natal chart.

>

> As Always,

>

> Uttara

>

> neenako <neenako wrote:

> -

> dear Wendy,

>

> I have been inclined to believe that the lagna is Taurus last

> navamsa.

> Mars in the 4th would be not only bad for the 4th house

> significations, but also would be affecting the 7th house, the

10th

> and the 11th adversely.

>

> In Dl's case, this is not found to be so.

> Merely looking to the 4th house effects of Mars is not ok.

>

> Regarding Rahu dasa, Rahu in the 8th is quite authorised to bring

> about a radical change in the native's life whether it is

> physically, materially or in his thinking.

>

> Not only that, Rahu, as you justifiably pointed out, is also

capable

> of conferring awards on a native. But these effects have to be

> looked for in conjunction with the dasas running and transits

> affecting the same.

>

> Saturn in the 10th house, its Mooltrikon, is responsible for a

life

> of penance , prayers , meditation and renunciation.

>

> We will perhaps never be able to get the absolutely right

birthtime

> ever, so let us all agree to disagree between the two lagnas and

get

> along with other astro topics. Though my vote would be for Taurus.

>

> Regards,

>

> Neena

> -- In jyotish-vidya, "Wendy Vasicek" <jyotish@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neena and all participating in this discussion,

> >

> > I've had a mail from Vasudev advocating Mars in 4th based solely

> on

> > the invasion of the Dalai Lama's homeland. However, as we know,

> 4th

> > house governs much, much more than this...

> >

> > I'm rather pushed for time at the moment so I must make this

brief

> > (for now)...perhaps we can discuss it in greater length another

> time.

> >

> > Briefly then, we know that 12th (from any house) has basically

the

> > same significance in relation to the house it's positioned from

as

> > 12th from 1st has on the native himself. 12th is first and

> foremost

> > the house of loss and, with 3rd lord in 4th (12th from 4th), it

> can

> > certainly indicate loss in connection to the native's homeland.

> > Looking back in history it seems that Tibet might have been a

> > province of the Chinese at the time of the Yuan Dynasty. How

true

> > this is I truly don't know and I certainly don't want to stray

> into

> > the political arena. However, if this is so, then 3rd lord MOON

in

> > 4th assumes much, much greater significance.

> >

> > We also need to consider the position of 4th lord Sun who

occupies

> > nakshatra of Rahu, is conjunct Ketu and aspected by Rahu's

> dispositor

> > (8th lord) etc, etc.. It's not difficult to see the difficulties

> > related to the DL's homeland with the Taurus lagna. But, as I

> said,

> > 4th house governs many things, and certainly, the qualities of

> > compassion, devotion and kindness that everyone recognises in

the

> > Dalai Lama's character are a testament to lagnesh Venus in this

> > house. The aspect on 10th lord in 10th is further testament to

his

> > efforts to promote peace and harmony in this world.

> >

> > Compare this with F/M Mars in 4th aspecting 10th...with no

benefic

> > aspect! Does this Mars speak of a heart full of loving kindness,

> of

> > his sincere actions in this world to promote peace and harmony.

We

> > know these are not the qualities of aggressive Mars - his nature

> is

> > to fight, to retaliate (he is the commander in chief after all).

> Can

> > we honestly say this is the Dalai Lama the world knows! He has

> never

> > fought back against the Chinese but has rather sought peaceful

> means

> > to resolve the situation.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com

> > ______________________________

> >

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light, not our darkness, that most frightens us......As we let our

own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do

the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence

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