Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear list members, Namaskar, There is a dictum that wherever the Lagna lord is placed, it will detract from that house in order to 'feed' the Lagna. For example, in the case of Lagna lord being in 5th, this will not be good for children. A similar rule can be applied to all the other houses, but for now I'm looking at Lagna. For a while I was unable to consolidate this rule because it seemed to be contradicted in certain cases. For example, when Lagnesh is in 3rd, the native is "courageous, wealthy, honourable, fortunate, intelligent, happy and passionate" [COVA 4.4.3]. So the native gains courage rather than losing it. Another example. Lagnesh in 5th, we know this is not good for the first child. However, this is also the beginnings of Gyana Yoga (of course it would need 5th lord present as well to fructify, until then it will just be a desire). So whilst the child suffers, other indications of the house seem actually to be augmented rather than diminished. So this led me to think that perhaps the rule applied only to certain types of significations - namely those that are external from the native himself. That is, significations like children, father, spouse, guru etc... Based on this hypothesis, the 'external' indications of a house in which Lagnesh is placed will suffer, but the 'internal' significations (i.e., those related to the nature, behaviour and abilities of the native himself) will actually be enhanced. Now this seems to work to some degree - for example Lagnesh in 11th gives "good income, reputation" (both 'internal'). I cannot find it stated in the classics (probably because I haven't searched properly), but I think that this combination is not good for the elder siblings. Please correct me if that is wrong. Another case is Lagnesh in 9th. "The native is fortunate, popular, skilled..." So the internal significations are enhanced. But I cannot find any statements on what the effect will be on the father, and perhaps on the guru. But if we apply the concept, then this placement will not be good for the father. As with all things, however, this is only one influencing factor out of many. But lets look at Lagnesh in 6th. "Debts and ill-health are indicated" . So far so good, these are 'internal' and they are enhanced by Lagnesh, so the person is prone to illness. But, "the native will be troubled by enemies" [COVA 4.4.6], unless there is a benefic dristi. According to the hypothesis, the 'external' significations should be damaged. Which means that the enemies should have a hard time. So it doesn't seem to work here. Am i looking at it with the wrong perspective? The 6th also signifies the maternal uncle. So perhaps the maternal uncle will suffer with this combination?. Once again I cannot find this explicitly stated in the texts, so I don't know if I'm talking sense or not! At the end of all that, I'm still pretty confused as to whether my (perhaps over-simplistic) approach has any validity. I know I have a lot to learn and understand before some of these concepts will become clear. I would be grateful if you could offer some clarification and guidance on my ramblings above, so that I might be able to better understand this concept. With reverence to the Gurus, Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Hi Samir, What would be the indications of Lagna lord in 12th house? Remember the 12 th house stands for losses, decay, expenditure, obstacles or hindrances, etc. Then the interpretation will be; as the Lagna lord is in 12th the significance of this house will suffer...in other words, there will be no decay, etc. Mike , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Dear list members, Namaskar, > > There is a dictum that wherever the Lagna lord is placed, it will detract > from that house in order to 'feed' the Lagna. For example, in the case of > Lagna lord being in 5th, this will not be good for children. A similar > rule can be applied to all the other houses, but for now I'm looking at > Lagna. > > For a while I was unable to consolidate this rule because it seemed to be > contradicted in certain cases. For example, when Lagnesh is in 3rd, the > native is "courageous, wealthy, honourable, fortunate, intelligent, happy > and passionate" [COVA 4.4.3]. So the native gains courage rather than > losing it. > > Another example. Lagnesh in 5th, we know this is not good for the first > child. However, this is also the beginnings of Gyana Yoga (of course it > would need 5th lord present as well to fructify, until then it will just be > a desire). So whilst the child suffers, other indications of the house > seem actually to be augmented rather than diminished. > > So this led me to think that perhaps the rule applied only to certain types > of significations - namely those that are external from the native > himself. That is, significations like children, father, spouse, guru etc... > > Based on this hypothesis, the 'external' indications of a house in which > Lagnesh is placed will suffer, but the 'internal' significations (i.e., > those related to the nature, behaviour and abilities of the native himself) > will actually be enhanced. > > Now this seems to work to some degree - for example Lagnesh in 11th gives > "good income, reputation" (both 'internal'). I cannot find it stated in > the classics (probably because I haven't searched properly), but I think > that this combination is not good for the elder siblings. Please correct > me if that is wrong. > > Another case is Lagnesh in 9th. "The native is fortunate, popular, > skilled..." So the internal significations are enhanced. But I cannot > find any statements on what the effect will be on the father, and perhaps > on the guru. But if we apply the concept, then this placement will not be > good for the father. As with all things, however, this is only one > influencing factor out of many. > > But lets look at Lagnesh in 6th. "Debts and ill-health are indicated" > . So far so good, these are 'internal' and they are enhanced by Lagnesh, > so the person is prone to illness. But, "the native will be troubled by > enemies" [COVA 4.4.6], unless there is a benefic dristi. According to the > hypothesis, the 'external' significations should be damaged. Which means > that the enemies should have a hard time. So it doesn't seem to work > here. Am i looking at it with the wrong perspective? > > The 6th also signifies the maternal uncle. So perhaps the maternal uncle > will suffer with this combination?. Once again I cannot find this > explicitly stated in the texts, so I don't know if I'm talking sense or not! > > At the end of all that, I'm still pretty confused as to whether my (perhaps > over-simplistic) approach has any validity. I know I have a lot to learn > and understand before some of these concepts will become clear. I would be > grateful if you could offer some clarification and guidance on my ramblings > above, so that I might be able to better understand this concept. > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Dear Samir/Mike, every house lord has its own agenda and tries to fulfil it. The planets it disposits, are the workers who are asked to fulfil that agenda, but that is a separate issue. We are concerned with placement of a lord. Example, 2nd house is Dhana bhava. So bringing dhana (read "resources") to the native is the agenda of the 2nd Lord. Similarly, Lagna Lord's agenda it overall survival and sustenance and also overall prosperity and well being. In order to get his agenda done any Lord has to use up some resources from the house it is placed in. Example, LL in 9H means that the native is fortunate, amongst other good things, because 9H is house of fortune so the LL will be using "fortune" as a resource (which is actually good karma from past life) will find it easy to get his agenda done there. However, if 9H sign is inimical to LL then that will be having some effect on LL and on the native -- perhaps not a good effect. Example, the native may have disagreements with father or father goes away from native (for some reason). but again it depends on 9L and its placement. Let me take up the example that confuses you. LL in 6H. Lets take two cases case A: LL exalted or in an ati-mitra's house. What is LL's agenda? Survival sustenance health prosperity. So LL tries to get that agenda done in this house. How? by overcoming obstacles - from situations, from enemies etc because 6H provides him with these things. So LL fights to get it. Does he have to fight a lot? perhaps no, because its a friends house or else he is exalted ( read "happy"), so it means he is not having a hard time. Case B: LL is Debilitated or in an inimical sign. LL still fights but is defeated most of the time so health and general wellbeing suffers. Remember that your dictum is just a dictum and not to be applied in exclusion of everything else. Also this is D-1 (Rasi) Chart. If we have D-10 for example, then it means LL or the self fighting in work related circumstances only. In other areas the native may have easy life is planets are good in the respective vargas. Another example, LL in 3H. Then native uses the resource of "courage, initiative, aggression" to fulfil its agenda because 3H contains these resources. So it takes up the color of that house by using the resources of that house and the native appears bold, courageous, aggressive. If LL is Mars, example, that enhances this image. Next you have to take up the question of sign the house has. Remember, if LL is a natural malefic, the struggle is sometimes ruthless. However, if it is a natural benefic the struggle is mostly diplomatic, adjusting, finding newer ways of survival/prosperity and so on. So, dont just say that LL just depletes the house it is placed in. Rather, it 'uses' the resources there for its own agenda. If the resources are too limited (read inimical sign), it means that house is negatively affected. And of course, every other indications in the chart needs to be accounted for (like planets in the Lagna, aspecting the lagna) etc. I give you one last example. LL in 6H and 6L is debilitated. It means LL is finding itself in a circumstance with obstacles. But 6L whose agenda is causing obstacles (amongst other things) is finding it hard to do that. So probably LL may not have so bad or so many obstacles to overcome. However if 6L is exalted or in moolatrikona, its agenda gets done easily; consequently, LL gets more trouble. Again if LL is an ati-mitra, probably troubles are a there but not altogether too bad troubles to overcome. 6L wouldn't want to give huge trouble to his friend LL, in this case Hope this helps. I hope learned gurus will kindly correct me if I am wrong. Thanks, - Sourav , Samir Shah <a48919062> wrote: > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Dear list members, Namaskar, > > There is a dictum that wherever the Lagna lord is placed, it will detract > from that house in order to 'feed' the Lagna. For example, in the case of > Lagna lord being in 5th, this will not be good for children. A similar > rule can be applied to all the other houses, but for now I'm looking at > Lagna. > > For a while I was unable to consolidate this rule because it seemed to be > contradicted in certain cases. For example, when Lagnesh is in 3rd, the > native is "courageous, wealthy, honourable, fortunate, intelligent, happy > and passionate" [COVA 4.4.3]. So the native gains courage rather than > losing it. > > Another example. Lagnesh in 5th, we know this is not good for the first > child. However, this is also the beginnings of Gyana Yoga (of course it > would need 5th lord present as well to fructify, until then it will just be > a desire). So whilst the child suffers, other indications of the house > seem actually to be augmented rather than diminished. > > So this led me to think that perhaps the rule applied only to certain types > of significations - namely those that are external from the native > himself. That is, significations like children, father, spouse, guru etc... > > Based on this hypothesis, the 'external' indications of a house in which > Lagnesh is placed will suffer, but the 'internal' significations (i.e., > those related to the nature, behaviour and abilities of the native himself) > will actually be enhanced. > > Now this seems to work to some degree - for example Lagnesh in 11th gives > "good income, reputation" (both 'internal'). I cannot find it stated in > the classics (probably because I haven't searched properly), but I think > that this combination is not good for the elder siblings. Please correct > me if that is wrong. > > Another case is Lagnesh in 9th. "The native is fortunate, popular, > skilled..." So the internal significations are enhanced. But I cannot > find any statements on what the effect will be on the father, and perhaps > on the guru. But if we apply the concept, then this placement will not be > good for the father. As with all things, however, this is only one > influencing factor out of many. > > But lets look at Lagnesh in 6th. "Debts and ill-health are indicated" > . So far so good, these are 'internal' and they are enhanced by Lagnesh, > so the person is prone to illness. But, "the native will be troubled by > enemies" [COVA 4.4.6], unless there is a benefic dristi. According to the > hypothesis, the 'external' significations should be damaged. Which means > that the enemies should have a hard time. So it doesn't seem to work > here. Am i looking at it with the wrong perspective? > > The 6th also signifies the maternal uncle. So perhaps the maternal uncle > will suffer with this combination?. Once again I cannot find this > explicitly stated in the texts, so I don't know if I'm talking sense or not! > > At the end of all that, I'm still pretty confused as to whether my (perhaps > over-simplistic) approach has any validity. I know I have a lot to learn > and understand before some of these concepts will become clear. I would be > grateful if you could offer some clarification and guidance on my ramblings > above, so that I might be able to better understand this concept. > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > Samir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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