#3 Count from Lagna to it's lord...

March 11, 2005

|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Sourav,

Thank you for your message. I see what you are saying about the

manner in which LL will use the resources it finds available in a certain

house. That helps to explain half of my problem. But the

other half remains:

Maharishi Parasara say that Lagnesh in 5th will not give 'projenic

bliss'. I have seen instances where this has caused great problems

to the first child of the native (other factors are also involved, as

always). It seems that while the native might gain

resources from that house, external things (e.g. other individuals)

signified by that house may suffer. Why is this?

Having said that, I can only find this explicitly stated with respect to

the 5th house and the 7th house (LL in 7th is bad for spouse unless LL is

strong). Nowhere can I find it written that LL in 9th is bad for

the father, or that LL in 11th is bad for the elder sibling. But

are we supposed to infer this? I dare not without the approval of

the Gurus!

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

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Message: 14

Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:22:26 -0000

"feynman_8" <feynman_8 >

Re: "Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

Dear Samir/Mike,

every house lord has its own agenda and tries to

fulfil it. The planets it disposits, are the workers who are asked

to fulfil that agenda, but that is a separate issue. We are

concerned with placement of a lord.

Example, 2nd house is Dhana bhava. So bringing dhana

(read "resources") to the native

is the agenda of the 2nd Lord. Similarly, Lagna Lord's agenda it

overall survival and sustenance and also overall prosperity and well

being. In order to get his agenda done any Lord has to use up some

resources from the house it is placed in. Example, LL in 9H means

that the native is fortunate, amongst other good things, because 9H

is house of fortune so the LL will be using "fortune" as a

resource

(which is actually good karma from past life) will find it easy to

get his agenda done there. However, if 9H sign is inimical to LL

then that will be having some effect on LL and on the native --

perhaps not a good effect. Example, the native may have

disagreements with father or father goes away from native (for some

reason). but again it depends on 9L and its placement.

Let me take up the example that confuses you. LL in 6H. Lets take

two cases

case A: LL exalted or in an ati-mitra's house. What is LL's agenda?

Survival sustenance health prosperity. So LL tries to get that

agenda done in this house. How? by overcoming obstacles - from

situations, from enemies etc because 6H provides him with these

things. So LL fights to get it. Does he have to fight a lot? perhaps

no, because its a friends house or else he is exalted (

read "happy"), so it means he is not having a hard

time.

Case B: LL is Debilitated or in an inimical sign. LL still fights

but is defeated most of the time so health and general wellbeing

suffers.

Remember that your dictum is just a dictum and not to be applied in

exclusion of everything else. Also this is D-1 (Rasi) Chart. If we

have D-10 for example, then it means LL or the self fighting in work

related circumstances only. In other areas the native may have easy

life is planets are good in the respective vargas.

Another example, LL in 3H. Then native uses the resource

of "courage, initiative, aggression" to fulfil its agenda

because 3H

contains these resources. So it takes up the color of that house by

using the resources of that house and the native appears bold,

courageous, aggressive. If LL is Mars, example, that enhances this

image. Next you have to take up the question of sign the house

has.

Remember, if LL is a natural malefic, the struggle is sometimes

ruthless. However, if it is a natural benefic the struggle is mostly

diplomatic, adjusting, finding newer ways of survival/prosperity and

so on.

So, dont just say that LL just depletes the house it is placed in.

Rather, it 'uses' the resources there for its own agenda. If the

resources are too limited (read inimical sign), it means that house

is negatively affected. And of course, every other indications in

the chart needs to be accounted for (like planets in the Lagna,

aspecting the lagna) etc.

I give you one last example. LL in 6H and 6L is debilitated. It

means LL is finding itself in a circumstance with obstacles. But 6L

whose agenda is causing obstacles (amongst other things) is finding

it hard to do that. So probably LL may not have so bad or so many

obstacles to overcome. However if 6L is exalted or in moolatrikona,

its agenda gets done easily; consequently, LL gets more trouble.

Again if LL is an ati-mitra, probably troubles are a there but not

altogether too bad troubles to overcome. 6L wouldn't want to give

huge trouble to his friend LL, in this case

Hope this helps. I hope learned gurus will kindly correct me if I am

wrong.

Thanks,

- Sourav

March 11, 2005

||Hare Rama Krsna||

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Dear Samir, Namaskar

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">No approval needed – you are right

in your estimation. Invariably if Lagna lord is in the 9th house,

the father of the native suffers. This can result in bad-luck or even premature

demise of the father, provided other combinations are there (A9, 9th

from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">To help the discussion, please qoute what

Maharishi Parasara says about Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about

internal and external significations of a bhava.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Best wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah

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12 March 2005 06:02

[Om Krishna Guru] #3

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

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|| Om

Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Sourav,

Thank you for your message. I see what you are saying about the manner in

which LL will use the resources it finds available in a certain house.

That helps to explain half of my problem. But the other half remains:

Maharishi Parasara say that Lagnesh in 5th will not give 'projenic

bliss'. I have seen instances where this has caused great problems to the

first child of the native (other factors are also involved, as

always). It seems that while the native might gain resources

from that house, external things (e.g. other individuals) signified by that

house may suffer. Why is this?

Having said that, I can only find this explicitly stated with respect to the

5th house and the 7th house (LL in 7th is bad for spouse unless LL is

strong). Nowhere can I find it written that LL in 9th is bad for the

father, or that LL in 11th is bad for the elder sibling. But are we

supposed to infer this? I dare not without the approval of the Gurus!

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

______________________

Message: 14

Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:22:26 -0000

"feynman_8" <feynman_8 >

Re: "Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

Dear Samir/Mike,

every house lord has its own agenda and tries to

fulfil it. The planets it disposits, are the workers who are asked

to fulfil that agenda, but that is a separate issue. We are

concerned with placement of a lord.

Example, 2nd house is Dhana bhava. So bringing dhana

(read "resources") to the native

is the agenda of the 2nd Lord. Similarly, Lagna Lord's agenda it

overall survival and sustenance and also overall prosperity and well

being. In order to get his agenda done any Lord has to use up some

resources from the house it is placed in. Example, LL in 9H means

that the native is fortunate, amongst other good things, because 9H

is house of fortune so the LL will be using "fortune" as a resource

(which is actually good karma from past life) will find it easy to

get his agenda done there. However, if 9H sign is inimical to LL

then that will be having some effect on LL and on the native --

perhaps not a good effect. Example, the native may have

disagreements with father or father goes away from native (for some

reason). but again it depends on 9L and its placement.

Let me take up the example that confuses you. LL in 6H. Lets take

two cases

case A: LL exalted or in an ati-mitra's house. What is LL's agenda?

Survival sustenance health prosperity. So LL tries to get that

agenda done in this house. How? by overcoming obstacles - from

situations, from enemies etc because 6H provides him with these

things. So LL fights to get it. Does he have to fight a lot? perhaps

no, because its a friends house or else he is exalted (

read "happy"), so it means he is not having a hard time.

Case B: LL is Debilitated or in an inimical sign. LL still fights

but is defeated most of the time so health and general wellbeing

suffers.

Remember that your dictum is just a dictum and not to be applied in

exclusion of everything else. Also this is D-1 (Rasi) Chart. If we

have D-10 for example, then it means LL or the self fighting in work

related circumstances only. In other areas the native may have easy

life is planets are good in the respective vargas.

Another example, LL in 3H. Then native uses the resource

of "courage, initiative, aggression" to fulfil its agenda because 3H

contains these resources. So it takes up the color of that house by

using the resources of that house and the native appears bold,

courageous, aggressive. If LL is Mars, example, that enhances this

image. Next you have to take up the question of sign the house has.