Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Dear Samir, Namaskar 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Sanjayji got this definition from Varahamihira, hence the recommendation. The default values og Jagannath Hora always make us wonder what Narasimha is experimenting with these days. Nevertheless i personally use Varahamihira’s definition. 12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Best wishes, font-weight:bold"> color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen Verdana;color:#99CC00"> color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah [a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] 12 March 2005 09:18 [Om Krishna Guru] 12.0pt"> || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear List members, Namaskar, According to Sanjay Rath, for the purposes of calculation of the Hora Lagna (and presumably other special lagnas and upagrahas), Sunrise is to be defined as first light, i.e, the time at which the tip of the sun appears to be on the horizon. [Ref Sanjayji's article on the HL presented at the London conference - http://srath.com/conf/horalagna.pdf] In Jagannatha Hora, however, the default definition of sunrise is "The centre of the Sun's disk is truly on the Eastern horizon"... Could anyone tell me which of these two is recommended? With reverence to the Gurus, Samir ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (image/jpeg) image001.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Samir, If you see the Sunrise and Sunset options under the Calculations tab in Preferences, there are 3 option for Sunrise. Two are that you mention and the third one is the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the horizon. The default option is the geocentric one, and is used by many. In fact there is a lot of debate among astrologers, as to which of the three methods are accurate, but none are sacrosanct. The difference that one method over the other would cause is in the calculation of the special lagnas like Hora Lagna etc. Best regards, Sarbani Samir Shah [a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:48 PMSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] || Om Namah Shivaaya ||Dear List members, Namaskar,According to Sanjay Rath, for the purposes of calculation of the Hora Lagna (and presumably other special lagnas and upagrahas), Sunrise is to be defined as first light, i.e, the time at which the tip of the sun appears to be on the horizon. [Ref Sanjayji's article on the HL presented at the London conference - http://srath.com/conf/horalagna.pdf]In Jagannatha Hora, however, the default definition of sunrise is "The centre of the Sun's disk is truly on the Eastern horizon"...Could anyone tell me which of these two is recommended?With reverence to the Gurus,Samir ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Samir, If you see the Sunrise and Sunset options under the Calculations tab in Preferences, there are 3 option for Sunrise. Two are that you mention and the third one is the tip of the Sun's disk is truly on the horizon. The default option is the geocentric one, and is used by many. In fact there is a lot of debate among astrologers, as to which of the three methods are accurate, but none are sacrosanct. The difference that one method over the other would cause is in the calculation of the special lagnas like Hora Lagna etc. Best regards, Sarbani Samir Shah [a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] Saturday, March 12, 2005 1:48 PMSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] || Om Namah Shivaaya ||Dear List members, Namaskar,According to Sanjay Rath, for the purposes of calculation of the Hora Lagna (and presumably other special lagnas and upagrahas), Sunrise is to be defined as first light, i.e, the time at which the tip of the sun appears to be on the horizon. [Ref Sanjayji's article on the HL presented at the London conference - http://srath.com/conf/horalagna.pdf]In Jagannatha Hora, however, the default definition of sunrise is "The centre of the Sun's disk is truly on the Eastern horizon"...Could anyone tell me which of these two is recommended?With reverence to the Gurus,Samir ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Sameer, I would go with apparent tip of Sun rising, as Drikganita formed the basis of Siddhanta calculations. Chandrashekhar. Samir Shah wrote: || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear List members, Namaskar, According to Sanjay Rath, for the purposes of calculation of the Hora Lagna (and presumably other special lagnas and upagrahas), Sunrise is to be defined as first light, i.e, the time at which the tip of the sun appears to be on the horizon. [Ref Sanjayji's article on the HL presented at the London conference - http://srath.com/conf/horalagna.pdf] In Jagannatha Hora, however, the default definition of sunrise is "The centre of the Sun's disk is truly on the Eastern horizon"... Could anyone tell me which of these two is recommended? With reverence to the Gurus, Samir ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2005 Report Share Posted March 14, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Visti, Namaste. Can you please tell me the shloka/book where Varahamihira has written about this sunrise option? If possible, send it to me. thanks and best regards Hari , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Samir, Namaskar > > Sanjayji got this definition from Varahamihira, hence the recommendation. > The default values og Jagannath Hora always make us wonder what Narasimha is > experimenting with these days. Nevertheless i personally use Varahamihira's > definition. > > Best wishes, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Namo Bhagavate Dakshinamurtaye Dear Sanjayji and SJC List, Firstly, I wanted to say that I really don't know what all this is about. I don't think I disagreed with anyone at all. I don't think anyone disagreed with anyone. So I am a little confused. Secondly, I was very keen that the list benefited from Brendan's work. I have been fortunate to have listened to them at the SJC conferences and workshops, as have Visti and a few others. You have always instructed me that it was my role to bring people together and have the knowledge shared and distributed. I did not know that Brendan had kept his list email options at 'no mail', as he told me later. Thirdly, young Samarth Rao, Katti Narahari's student from Bangalore has just finished his ayurveda degree. He had called and said that he wanted to work in ayurveda and jyotish. He too tried his hand in analysis. I thought that it would be wonderful to hear both of them talk 'ayurveda and jyotish' and good for the SJC classroom. I had asked Visti's opinion as he handles this list like a master pilot and I have a deep regard for his theoretical knowledge. Hence I was interested to know what his opinion was in the matter, as a beacon. Lakshmi's pointer definitely made everyone re-think their basics. I did not realize anyone was disagreeing or even arguing! Of course, Mercury is debilitated and retrograde at the moment... Meanwhile, the main issue was the chart of a very young boy with asthma posted by Kasturi. Kasturi had to leave in the middle of the discussion as his mother-in-law was suddenly hospitalised. He only returned yesterday. However, I will remain off list from SJC forums for the rest of the year. I hardly posted on jyotish in the lists in the past year or so anyways. So I will simply return to my hibernation. As you instructed me a month ago, that I have a 'mission' in front of me, and that I should not let anything dissuade me from that path. It is a very difficult task! We are not all Arjuna, with the eye only on the fish! But I do realize that all these are tests and tribulations, to check our resolution. I remember two years ago, when you underwent a similar, and worse experience on these lists, where your integrity and knowledge came under virulent attack. You maintained your dignity in utter and absolute silence and kept focus on your guru's goal in front of you. You have asked me to do the same. I will try and learn from your example. But its a stupendous effort. I would sincerely like to thank Sarajit, Zoran, Ramapriya and Raghunatha Rao Nemani who have been a great support to me in the past month. Best regards, Sarbani Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:36 AMSJC ListCc: B Lakshmi Ramesh; Sarbani Sarkar; Chandrashekhar; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao[Om Krishna Guru] om gurave namah Dear SJC Jyotisa Once is a while we have some discussions about some aspects of Jyotish out here while most ofthe time Jyotish Guru Visti Larsen has been doing a stupendous job in teaching all of you. This is to clarify that normally our discussions among Jyotish Gurus and senior astrologers is at Varahamihira forum but sometimes it spills out here. We don't want you all to have any notions or any doubts about what Visti Larsen is teaching at this forum due to our discussions. All we want you to have is the flavor ofthe brilliant discussions that take place and the kind of shastra related dialogues. Recently you saw the brilliance of Jyotish Gurus Lakshmi Ramesh, Sarbani Sarkar and the deep understanding of Brendan Feeley while discussing the Chest. This is to clarify that Lakshmi Rmaesh is *right* and so also Brendan, Visti and Sarbani and each of the others who participated as there is nothing called 100% right at that level of Jyotish. I was unnecessarily worried that you would draw some wrong notions about right and wrong and this is misplaced. I know that you all are very mature and leared people in this list and also apprecite such discussions that spill over from Varahamihira once in a while. We assure you that with the kind of research being done by the Jyotish Gurus you will soon see a new level of Jyotish which perhaps will excel the depth and quality of the Great Varahamihira and that era... So kindly keep keep encouraging each of the participants as the going can sometimes be very very tough when answers are not easily forthcoming. After all you all stand to gain from their hard work and study. To the Gurvi's of SJC - Lakshmi & Sarbani...please keep the compassion flowing along with your brilliance. With kind regards, Sanjay Rath Webpages: http://srath.com http://.org SJC Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India Phone: +91.6752.226269 ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Attachment: (application/octet-stream) Glacier Bkgrd.jpg [not stored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Gurave Namah Dear Sarbani, If you go off the lists, who will teach us Mantra sastra? You are the best in that field and you did promise to teach! Love, Lakshmi --- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Dakshinamurtaye > Dear Sanjayji and SJC List, > > Firstly, I wanted to say that I really don't know > what all this is about. I > don't think I disagreed with anyone at all. I don't > think anyone disagreed > with anyone. So I am a little confused. Secondly, I > was very keen that the > list benefited from Brendan's work. I have been > fortunate to have listened > to them at the SJC conferences and workshops, as > have Visti and a few > others. You have always instructed me that it was my > role to bring people > together and have the knowledge shared and > distributed. I did not know that > Brendan had kept his list email > options at 'no mail', as > he told me later. Thirdly, young Samarth Rao, Katti > Narahari's student from > Bangalore has just finished his ayurveda degree. He > had called and said that > he wanted to work in ayurveda and jyotish. He too > tried his hand in > analysis. I thought that it would be wonderful to > hear both of them talk > 'ayurveda and jyotish' and good for the SJC > classroom. I had asked Visti's > opinion as he handles this list like a master pilot > and I have a deep regard > for his theoretical knowledge. Hence I was > interested to know what his > opinion was in the matter, as a beacon. Lakshmi's > pointer definitely made > everyone re-think their basics. I did not realize > anyone was disagreeing or > even arguing! Of course, Mercury is debilitated and > retrograde at the > moment... > > Meanwhile, the main issue was the chart of a very > young boy with asthma > posted by Kasturi. Kasturi had to leave in the > middle of the discussion as > his mother-in-law was suddenly hospitalised. He only > returned yesterday. > > However, I will remain off list from SJC forums for > the rest of the year. I > hardly posted on jyotish in the lists in the past > year or so anyways. So I > will simply return to my hibernation. As you > instructed me a month ago, that > I have a 'mission' in front of me, and that I should > not let anything > dissuade me from that path. It is a very difficult > task! We are not all > Arjuna, with the eye only on the fish! But I do > realize that all these are > tests and tribulations, to check our resolution. > > I remember two years ago, when you underwent a > similar, and worse experience > on these lists, where your integrity and knowledge > came under virulent > attack. You maintained your dignity in utter and > absolute silence and kept > focus on your guru's goal in front of you. You have > asked me to do the same. > I will try and learn from your example. But its a > stupendous effort. I would > sincerely like to thank Sarajit, Zoran, Ramapriya > and Raghunatha Rao Nemani > who have been a great support to me in the past > month. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > _____ > > Sanjay Rath [guruji] > Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:36 AM > SJC List > Cc: B Lakshmi Ramesh; Sarbani Sarkar; > Chandrashekhar; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > [Om Krishna Guru] > > > om gurave namah > Dear SJC Jyotisa > Once is a while we have some discussions about some > aspects of Jyotish out > here while most ofthe time Jyotish Guru Visti Larsen > has been doing a > stupendous job in teaching all of you. This is to > clarify that normally our > discussions among Jyotish Gurus and senior > astrologers is at Varahamihira > forum but sometimes it spills out here. We don't > want you all to have any > notions or any doubts about what Visti Larsen is > teaching at this forum due > to our discussions. All we want you to have is the > flavor ofthe brilliant > discussions that take place and the kind of shastra > related dialogues. > > Recently you saw the brilliance of Jyotish Gurus > Lakshmi Ramesh, Sarbani > Sarkar and the deep understanding of Brendan Feeley > while discussing the > Chest. > > This is to clarify that Lakshmi Rmaesh is *right* > and so also Brendan, Visti > and Sarbani and each of the others who participated > as there is nothing > called 100% right at that level of Jyotish. I was > unnecessarily worried that > you would draw some wrong notions about right and > wrong and this is > misplaced. I know that you all are very mature and > leared people in this > list and also apprecite such discussions that spill > over from Varahamihira > once in a while. > > We assure you that with the kind of research being > done by the Jyotish Gurus > you will soon see a new level of Jyotish which > perhaps will excel the depth > and quality of the Great Varahamihira and that > era... > > So kindly keep keep encouraging each of the > participants as the going can > sometimes be very very tough when answers are not > easily forthcoming. After > all you all stand to gain from their hard work and > study. > > To the Gurvi's of SJC - Lakshmi & Sarbani...please > keep the compassion > flowing along with your brilliance. > > With kind regards, > Sanjay Rath > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/> > http://.org > SJC Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India > Phone: +91.6752.226269 > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Children International > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http://chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 872&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > > 7 Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http://chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 872&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to > meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > 7 Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http://chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 871&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to > meet === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Namo Bhagawate Vasudevay Dear Sarbani Ji, Pranam. It is expected, and requested that you shall reconsider your decision. Being absent from lists will not harm you, but will certainly hinder free exchange of knowledge and thereby it shall be anegative factor for learners. I request Lord Shri Krishna to invoke your motherly instinct and make you reconsider your decision. If one learner abstains from the list or class, the loss is primarily individual. When one Guru goes off the list (or class), the loss is of Samashti, not Vyashti. Gurus are mature persons who are not supposed to be controlled by emotions but rather able to control them; they are expected to be elevated and keep benefits of the society and students even before personal issues. I do hope that I do not sound too elderly or teaching type, kindly consider my words as request only; but anyway, who knows who is the teacher and who is disciple today and who was who in earlier/ shall be existences. Even regarding different issues the roles may be different. BTW, I am tempted to share one piece of knowledge from Puranas (I do not remember exact reference right now). I have read in some Purana the 4 things (regarding the learning process and education in particular) - that (i) One should not show negligence towards elderly and children and be tolerant with them, (ii) One should not criticise colleagues or contemporaries without first understanding them, (iii) One should not disrespect the learned, and (iv)One should not argue with the fools. Kindly consider learners as children and be compassionate. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Radhe-Krishna, Himanshu Mohan P.S.: I too am a rather introvert type and presently interacting with much effort for two reasons - (i) I have not been lucky enough to be blessed by any Guru and from messages at SJC I gathered that Gurus may consider to accept one as disciple based on various things, among which interaction at list is one parameter, and (ii)Second, more important reason is that recently we have seen Guru Shri Chandrashekhar ji, Shri Sanjay ji go off lists (VA). Guru Shri Narasimha ji has alredy declared that he is busy (and there shall be no version of JH for SIX months at least). His presence in lists is also minimal. They may all be active on other forums, but what about learners here? Do we hang here just for fun? And what fun, if no guidance from Gurus! Now You also wish to abstain! Hari Ichchha!! Radhe-Krishna, Himanshu Mohan , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > Om Namo Bhagavate Dakshinamurtaye > Dear Sanjayji and SJC List, > > Firstly, I wanted to say that I really don't know what all this is about. I > don't think I disagreed with anyone at all. I don't think anyone disagreed > with anyone. So I am a little confused. Secondly, I was very keen that the > list benefited from Brendan's work. I have been fortunate to have listened > to them at the SJC conferences and workshops, as have Visti and a few > others. You have always instructed me that it was my role to bring people > together and have the knowledge shared and distributed. I did not know that > Brendan had kept his list email options at 'no mail', as > he told me later. Thirdly, young Samarth Rao, Katti Narahari's student from > Bangalore has just finished his ayurveda degree. He had called and said that > he wanted to work in ayurveda and jyotish. He too tried his hand in > analysis. I thought that it would be wonderful to hear both of them talk > 'ayurveda and jyotish' and good for the SJC classroom. I had asked Visti's > opinion as he handles this list like a master pilot and I have a deep regard > for his theoretical knowledge. Hence I was interested to know what his > opinion was in the matter, as a beacon. Lakshmi's pointer definitely made > everyone re-think their basics. I did not realize anyone was disagreeing or > even arguing! Of course, Mercury is debilitated and retrograde at the > moment... > > Meanwhile, the main issue was the chart of a very young boy with asthma > posted by Kasturi. Kasturi had to leave in the middle of the discussion as > his mother-in-law was suddenly hospitalised. He only returned yesterday. > > However, I will remain off list from SJC forums for the rest of the year. I > hardly posted on jyotish in the lists in the past year or so anyways. So I > will simply return to my hibernation. As you instructed me a month ago, that > I have a 'mission' in front of me, and that I should not let anything > dissuade me from that path. It is a very difficult task! We are not all > Arjuna, with the eye only on the fish! But I do realize that all these are > tests and tribulations, to check our resolution. > > I remember two years ago, when you underwent a similar, and worse experience > on these lists, where your integrity and knowledge came under virulent > attack. You maintained your dignity in utter and absolute silence and kept > focus on your guru's goal in front of you. You have asked me to do the same. > I will try and learn from your example. But its a stupendous effort. I would > sincerely like to thank Sarajit, Zoran, Ramapriya and Raghunatha Rao Nemani > who have been a great support to me in the past month. > > Best regards, > > Sarbani > > > _____ > > Sanjay Rath [guruji@s...] > Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:36 AM > SJC List > Cc: B Lakshmi Ramesh; Sarbani Sarkar; Chandrashekhar; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao > [Om Krishna Guru] > > > om gurave namah > Dear SJC Jyotisa > Once is a while we have some discussions about some aspects of Jyotish out > here while most ofthe time Jyotish Guru Visti Larsen has been doing a > stupendous job in teaching all of you. This is to clarify that normally our > discussions among Jyotish Gurus and senior astrologers is at Varahamihira > forum but sometimes it spills out here. We don't want you all to have any > notions or any doubts about what Visti Larsen is teaching at this forum due > to our discussions. All we want you to have is the flavor ofthe brilliant > discussions that take place and the kind of shastra related dialogues. > > Recently you saw the brilliance of Jyotish Gurus Lakshmi Ramesh, Sarbani > Sarkar and the deep understanding of Brendan Feeley while discussing the > Chest. > > This is to clarify that Lakshmi Rmaesh is *right* and so also Brendan, Visti > and Sarbani and each of the others who participated as there is nothing > called 100% right at that level of Jyotish. I was unnecessarily worried that > you would draw some wrong notions about right and wrong and this is > misplaced. I know that you all are very mature and leared people in this > list and also apprecite such discussions that spill over from Varahamihira > once in a while. > > We assure you that with the kind of research being done by the Jyotish Gurus > you will soon see a new level of Jyotish which perhaps will excel the depth > and quality of the Great Varahamihira and that era... > > So kindly keep keep encouraging each of the participants as the going can > sometimes be very very tough when answers are not easily forthcoming. After > all you all stand to gain from their hard work and study. > > To the Gurvi's of SJC - Lakshmi & Sarbani...please keep the compassion > flowing along with your brilliance. > > With kind regards, > Sanjay Rath > Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com <http://.org/> > http://.org > SJC Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India > Phone: +91.6752.226269 > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Children International > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: //chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 872&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > > 7 Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: //chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 872&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > 7 Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http: //chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 871&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=3/SIG=1424c63em/*http: //chil > dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID= > 871&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Learn More > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 Om Namo Bhagavate Dakshinamurtaye Dear Lakshmi, If you leave SJC, then whom will I share (not teach) it with? I am a student who has not even begun to learn about mantras, but my Mantrapada in lagna gives this false and grandiose arudha about myself! The last one month has been all about arudhas. But let us keep that aside. This is not the forum for it, otherwise Visti will soon rusticate all of us from his class! Do you recall, what C. S. Patel said in the Mumbai conference about retrogression? That when malefics retrograde and re-enter the previous sign, it is the worse period? Saturn retrograded into Gemini and is now there direct. Rahu moved into Pisces on March 25th. Do you think this has created an imbalance in the dual signs? As you know, the dual signs are supposed to be in perfect balance as they are replete with satva guna, and hence they aspect each other. But with Saturn in Gemini and rahu in Pisces, do you think this harmony is disbalanced? Note, in the past month, all dual signs have been affected/disturbed in our forums...input from other dual sign gurus and students are solicited. Maybe I am totally off key here, but the thought did pass my mind...and this condition will be there till June. This is a not a very happy thought and we must be careful. Best regards, Sarbani lakshmi ramesh [b_lakshmi_ramesh ] Sunday, April 10, 2005 2:26 PMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Om Gurave NamahDear Sarbani,If you go off the lists, who will teach us Mantrasastra? You are the best in that field and you didpromise to teach!Love,Lakshmi--- Sarbani Sarkar <sarbani (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:> Om Namo Bhagavate Dakshinamurtaye> Dear Sanjayji and SJC List,> > Firstly, I wanted to say that I really don't know> what all this is about. I> don't think I disagreed with anyone at all. I don't> think anyone disagreed> with anyone. So I am a little confused. Secondly, I> was very keen that the> list benefited from Brendan's work. I have been> fortunate to have listened> to them at the SJC conferences and workshops, as> have Visti and a few> others. You have always instructed me that it was my> role to bring people> together and have the knowledge shared and> distributed. I did not know that> Brendan had kept his list email> options at 'no mail', as> he told me later. Thirdly, young Samarth Rao, Katti> Narahari's student from> Bangalore has just finished his ayurveda degree. He> had called and said that> he wanted to work in ayurveda and jyotish. He too> tried his hand in> analysis. I thought that it would be wonderful to> hear both of them talk> 'ayurveda and jyotish' and good for the SJC> classroom. I had asked Visti's> opinion as he handles this list like a master pilot> and I have a deep regard> for his theoretical knowledge. Hence I was> interested to know what his> opinion was in the matter, as a beacon. Lakshmi's> pointer definitely made> everyone re-think their basics. I did not realize> anyone was disagreeing or> even arguing! Of course, Mercury is debilitated and> retrograde at the> moment...> > Meanwhile, the main issue was the chart of a very> young boy with asthma> posted by Kasturi. Kasturi had to leave in the> middle of the discussion as> his mother-in-law was suddenly hospitalised. He only> returned yesterday.> > However, I will remain off list from SJC forums for> the rest of the year. I> hardly posted on jyotish in the lists in the past> year or so anyways. So I> will simply return to my hibernation. As you> instructed me a month ago, that> I have a 'mission' in front of me, and that I should> not let anything> dissuade me from that path. It is a very difficult> task! We are not all> Arjuna, with the eye only on the fish! But I do> realize that all these are> tests and tribulations, to check our resolution.> > I remember two years ago, when you underwent a> similar, and worse experience> on these lists, where your integrity and knowledge> came under virulent> attack. You maintained your dignity in utter and> absolute silence and kept> focus on your guru's goal in front of you. You have> asked me to do the same.> I will try and learn from your example. But its a> stupendous effort. I would> sincerely like to thank Sarajit, Zoran, Ramapriya> and Raghunatha Rao Nemani> who have been a great support to me in the past> month. > > Best regards,> > Sarbani> > > _____ > > Sanjay Rath [guruji (AT) srath (DOT) com] > Sunday, April 10, 2005 11:36 AM> SJC List> Cc: B Lakshmi Ramesh; Sarbani Sarkar;> Chandrashekhar; Narasimha P.V.R. Rao> [Om Krishna Guru] > > > om gurave namah> Dear SJC Jyotisa> Once is a while we have some discussions about some> aspects of Jyotish out> here while most ofthe time Jyotish Guru Visti Larsen> has been doing a> stupendous job in teaching all of you. This is to> clarify that normally our> discussions among Jyotish Gurus and senior> astrologers is at Varahamihira> forum but sometimes it spills out here. We don't> want you all to have any> notions or any doubts about what Visti Larsen is> teaching at this forum due> to our discussions. All we want you to have is the> flavor ofthe brilliant> discussions that take place and the kind of shastra> related dialogues.> > Recently you saw the brilliance of Jyotish Gurus> Lakshmi Ramesh, Sarbani> Sarkar and the deep understanding of Brendan Feeley> while discussing the> Chest.> > This is to clarify that Lakshmi Rmaesh is *right*> and so also Brendan, Visti> and Sarbani and each of the others who participated> as there is nothing> called 100% right at that level of Jyotish. I was> unnecessarily worried that> you would draw some wrong notions about right and> wrong and this is> misplaced. I know that you all are very mature and> leared people in this> list and also apprecite such discussions that spill> over from Varahamihira> once in a while.> > We assure you that with the kind of research being> done by the Jyotish Gurus> you will soon see a new level of Jyotish which> perhaps will excel the depth> and quality of the Great Varahamihira and that> era...> > So kindly keep keep encouraging each of the> participants as the going can> sometimes be very very tough when answers are not> easily forthcoming. After> all you all stand to gain from their hard work and> study.> > To the Gurvi's of SJC - Lakshmi & Sarbani...please> keep the compassion> flowing along with your brilliance.> > With kind regards,> Sanjay Rath> Webpages: <http://srath.com/> http://srath.com > <http://.org/>> http://.org> SJC Puri: 212 Gopal Ballav Road, Puri 752001, India> Phone: +91.6752.226269> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> Great who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for> animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one> free chart reading today > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > Children International > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > ><http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=gr>oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http://chil>dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=> 872&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > > 7 Click><http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=gr>oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http://chil>dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=> 872&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to> meet a Girl> And Give Her Hope > > 7 Click><http://us.ard./SIG=1298soq71/M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=gr>oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1113120398/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http://chil>dren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf?_function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=> 871&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to> meet === message truncated ===Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2005 Report Share Posted April 10, 2005 , "Sarbani Sarkar" <sarbani@s...> wrote: > sincerely like to thank Sarajit, Zoran, Ramapriya Ramapriya? who's she? Pranesh Joshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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