RE: #4 Count from Lagna to it's lord...

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Dear Samir, Namaskar

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">You have copied this from some online

text. Please get the original sanskrit and work on it, it actually gets easier

to understand and remember Parasara.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">There are three results give by Parasara;

color:navy">-

dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

comforts/happiness

color:navy">-

vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or useless

expenditure

color:navy">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">The Sharma edition has seemingly by

accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€, please keep that in mind.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">

color:navy">-

dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th house,

whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of this if

lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna lord is in

the second house.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">

color:navy">-

vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead the

correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate, but

point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the world,

and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a means

through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations) and the

devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind the vyayapada

(UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If lagneśa goes to the

twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the pitris and devas, and

is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing spendthriftness; please

examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house, and not all will be

spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first and twelfth houses from

arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as per Jaimini’s advise.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">

color:navy">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a

result these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are,

however this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any

argument. Be it a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick

arguments. Just for writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth

house to disagree with me... please read on.

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Maharishi Parasara finally states;

shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita; the above happens if

the twelfth is devoid of benefic association (aspect/conjunction).

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">We may infer that when there are both

benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the good and evil results will

manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may have seen the negative

results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:navy">Best wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah

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12 March 2005 09:42

 

[Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

12.0pt">

|| Om

Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the

person would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external

signification. And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to

suffer - but they don't. Instead the native is troubled by them.

Perhaps the dictum applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse

etc... I would be grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

12.0pt">, "Visti Larsen"

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wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Visti,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I am trying to understand. I have Prasna

Tantra by B. V. Raman. Is Prasna Marga the same as Prasna Marga?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If so I could not find the external

significance for the 12th house. Let me quote from the Prasna Tantra:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Stanza 30: The 12th house rules

renunciation, enjoyment, disputes, charity, cultivation and institutional expenditure.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The COVA does mention secret enemies (significator

Rahu).

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Now Lagna Lord in 12th would mean

that’s ones secret enemies will be destroyed. This does not mean that one will

not have secret enemies. It’s only that they will not succeed.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">About internal signification (ref COVA) I

find in my case I have problem with sleep (cannot sleep for more than 4 to 5 hours

at a stretch), wasteful expenditure (significator: Saturn), etc. I was

wondering why long journeys (significator: Venus) is not effected. In fact I

have undertaken several long journeys in my life and live 3 continents away

from home.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">As regards planet in 12th house

and finding flaw in any argument and you are spot on here. I have Lagnesh in 12th.

I have Aq Lagna.

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike

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Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005

7:20 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

You

have copied this from some online text. Please get the original sanskrit and

work on it, it actually gets easier to understand and remember Parasara.

There

are three results give by Parasara;

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color:navy">-

dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

comforts/happiness

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color:navy">-

vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or

useless expenditure

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color:navy">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

The

Sharma edition has seemingly by accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€, please

keep that in mind.

 

tab-stops:list 1.0in">

color:navy">-

dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th

house, whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of

this if lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna

lord is in the second house.

 

tab-stops:list 1.0in">

color:navy">-

vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead

the correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate,

but point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the

world, and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a

means through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations)

and the devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind

the vyayapada (UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If

lagneśa goes to the twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the

pitris and devas, and is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing

spendthriftness; please examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house,

and not all will be spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first

and twelfth houses from arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as

per Jaimini’s advise.

 

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color:navy">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a result

these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are, however

this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any argument. Be it

a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick arguments. Just for

writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth house to disagree

with me... please read on.

 

Maharishi

Parasara finally states; shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita;

the above happens if the twelfth is devoid of benefic association

(aspect/conjunction).

We may

infer that when there are both benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the

good and evil results will manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may

have seen the negative results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

Best

wishes,

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12 March 2005 09:42

 

[Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the person

would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external

signification. And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to

suffer - but they don't. Instead the native is troubled by them.

Perhaps the dictum applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse

etc... I would be grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Mike,

Prasna Tantra is

quite different from Prasna Marga, but the translator is the same.

Your question

regarding internal and external comes from Samir’s querry. In fact to settle

that querry, i’ve only found the close family members, such as parents,

siblings, spouse and children to really suffer from this placement of the lagneśa.

My understanding is

that other than close family members, who can you actually draw life and

longevity from?

 

Now; i explained

internal and external significations in a separate mail. Prasna Marga assumes that

external significations will always be there, but the internal significations

may be lacking unless the bhava is aspected by its lord, or is otherwise

strong. Theres a very deep philosophy underlying this about how a bhava is an

aditya vs. a vishnu rūpa, and because i have my own doubts about its

practicality in predictions, i’d like to refrain from discussing it.

 

As for twelfth house

and journeys, the association of twelfth house and lagna tends to take the

native to a place distant from home, but doesn’t necessarily cause problems to

that area of life. Infact Parasara doesn’t talk of travelling, because he

rarely repeats himself. In the chapter on twelfth house, he gives two slokas

about the twelfth lord and travelling.

 

Best wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michael Travass

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12 March 2005 15:37

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Visti,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I am trying to understand. I have Prasna

Tantra by B. V. Raman. Is Prasna Marga the same as Prasna Marga?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">If so I could not find the external

significance for the 12th house. Let me quote from the Prasna Tantra:

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Stanza 30: The 12th house rules

renunciation, enjoyment, disputes, charity, cultivation and institutional

expenditure.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">The COVA does mention secret enemies

(significator Rahu).

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Now Lagna Lord in 12th would

mean that’s ones secret enemies will be destroyed. This does not mean that one

will not have secret enemies. It’s only that they will not succeed.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">About internal signification (ref COVA) I

find in my case I have problem with sleep (cannot sleep for more than 4 to 5

hours at a stretch), wasteful expenditure (significator: Saturn), etc. I was

wondering why long journeys (significator: Venus) is not effected. In fact I

have undertaken several long journeys in my life and live 3 continents away

from home.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">As regards planet in 12th house

and finding flaw in any argument and you are spot on here. I have Lagnesh in 12th.

I have Aq Lagna.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike

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Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:20 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

You have

copied this from some online text. Please get the original sanskrit and work on

it, it actually gets easier to understand and remember Parasara.

There

are three results give by Parasara;

color:navy">-

dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

comforts/happiness

color:navy">-

vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or

useless expenditure

color:navy">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

The

Sharma edition has seemingly by accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€,

please keep that in mind.

 

color:navy">-

dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th

house, whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of

this if lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna

lord is in the second house.

 

color:navy">-

vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead

the correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate,

but point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the

world, and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a

means through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations)

and the devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind

the vyayapada (UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If

lagneśa goes to the twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the

pitris and devas, and is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing

spendthriftness; please examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house,

and not all will be spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first

and twelfth houses from arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as

per Jaimini’s advise.

 

color:navy">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a

result these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are,

however this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any

argument. Be it a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick

arguments. Just for writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth

house to disagree with me... please read on.

 

Maharishi

Parasara finally states; shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita;

the above happens if the twelfth is devoid of benefic association

(aspect/conjunction).

We may

infer that when there are both benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the good

and evil results will manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may have

seen the negative results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

Best

wishes,

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Samir

Shah [a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

12 March 2005 09:42

 

[Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">|| Om

Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the

person would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external signification.

And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to suffer - but they

don't. Instead the native is troubled by them. Perhaps the dictum

applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse etc... I would be

grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

--- In

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Just a clarification.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Lagna Lord in 12th in the case

of Aq Lagna is in its own house.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Internal signification will be lacking if

the bhava is aspected by its lord or strong. This means in this particular case

the internal significance should not suffer. But this

is

color:navy"> not true. How do you explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

 

10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">Saturday, March 12, 2005

font-family:Tahoma">10:10 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

color:green;mso-ansi-language:DA">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Mike,

Prasna

Tantra is quite different from Prasna Marga, but the translator is the same.

Your

question regarding internal and external comes from Samir’s querry. In fact to

settle that querry, i’ve only found the close family members, such as parents,

siblings, spouse and children to really suffer from this placement of the

lagneśa.

My

understanding is that other than close family members, who can you actually

draw life and longevity from?

 

Now;

i explained internal and external significations in a separate mail. Prasna

Marga assumes that external significations will always be there, but the

internal significations may be lacking unless the bhava is aspected by its

lord, or is otherwise strong. Theres a very deep philosophy underlying this

about how a bhava is an aditya vs. a vishnu rūpa, and because i have my own

doubts about its practicality in predictions, i’d like to refrain from

discussing it.

 

As

for twelfth house and journeys, the association of twelfth house and lagna

tends to take the native to a place distant from home, but doesn’t necessarily

cause problems to that area of life. Infact Parasara doesn’t talk of

travelling, because he rarely repeats himself. In the chapter on twelfth house,

he gives two slokas about the twelfth lord and travelling.

 

Best

wishes,

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12 March 2005 15:37

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

Dear Visti,

 

I am trying to

understand. I have Prasna Tantra by B. V. Raman. Is Prasna Marga the same as

Prasna Marga?

 

If so I could not find

the external significance for the 12th house. Let me quote from the Prasna

Tantra:

Stanza 30: The 12th

house rules renunciation, enjoyment, disputes, charity, cultivation and

institutional expenditure.

 

The COVA does mention

secret enemies (significator Rahu).

 

Now Lagna Lord in 12th

would mean that’s ones secret enemies will be destroyed. This does not mean

that one will not have secret enemies. It’s only that they will not succeed.

 

About internal

signification (ref COVA) I find in my case I have problem with sleep (cannot

sleep for more than 4 to 5 hours at a stretch), wasteful expenditure

(significator: Saturn), etc. I was wondering why long journeys (significator:

Venus) is not effected. In fact I have undertaken several long journeys in my

life and live 3 continents away from home.

 

As regards planet in 12th

house and finding flaw in any argument and you are spot on here. I have Lagnesh

in 12th. I have Aq Lagna.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005

7:20 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

You

have copied this from some online text. Please get the original sanskrit and

work on it, it actually gets easier to understand and remember Parasara.

There

are three results give by Parasara;

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dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

comforts/happiness

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vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or

useless expenditure

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mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

The

Sharma edition has seemingly by accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€,

please keep that in mind.

 

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color:navy">-

dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th house,

whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of this if

lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna lord is in

the second house.

 

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vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead

the correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate,

but point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the

world, and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a

means through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations)

and the devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind

the vyayapada (UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If

lagneśa goes to the twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the

pitris and devas, and is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing

spendthriftness; please examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house,

and not all will be spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first

and twelfth houses from arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as

per Jaimini’s advise.

 

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mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a

result these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are,

however this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any

argument. Be it a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick

arguments. Just for writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth

house to disagree with me... please read on.

 

Maharishi

Parasara finally states; shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita;

the above happens if the twelfth is devoid of benefic association

(aspect/conjunction).

We may

infer that when there are both benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the

good and evil results will manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may

have seen the negative results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

Best

wishes,

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12 March 2005 09:42

 

[Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in">|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the

person would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external

signification. And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to

suffer - but they don't. Instead the native is troubled by them.

Perhaps the dictum applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse

etc... I would be grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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12.0pt;margin-left:1.0in">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt;margin-left:.5in">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Mike,

Actually the bhava’s internal significations will get stronger when its lord aspects or joins

it.

 

But which internal

significations is he going to strengthen if he is a malefic, and that too

saturn? This is the next step and is related to Karaka. Just as you mentioned

before; sleep-deprivation has become prominent, so Saturn is not supporting this

for sure as the karaka is Moon. Saturn will however increase loss and

expenditure as he himself is the karaka for this. Saturn is the cause of

starvation, so you should be very good at fasting for longer periods of time. Saturn

is the cause of renunciation, so a life of wandering and a somewhat renounced

lifestyle in some particular aspects of your life is possible. To confirm the extent

of the latter we need to analyze the UL and AL more closely. Venus is the

karaka for long journeys, and Saturn is the natural yogakaraka for venus, so

this should become prominent. Bad habbits and secret enemies is however also

possible.

 

To give another

example for illustration; Saturn in own sign in 4th house is

supposed to strengthen the internal significations of the 4th house.

But Saturn will surely not give happiness, on the contrary.

Best wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Michael Travass

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12 March 2005 21:09

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Hi Visti,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Just a clarification.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Lagna Lord in 12th in the case

of Aq Lagna is in its own house.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Internal signification will be lacking if

the bhava is aspected by its lord or strong. This means in this particular case

the internal significance should not suffer. But this

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">is not true. How do you explain?

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Regards,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Mike

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:10 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

color:green">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Mike,

Prasna

Tantra is quite different from Prasna Marga, but the translator is the same.

Your

question regarding internal and external comes from Samir’s querry. In fact to

settle that querry, i’ve only found the close family members, such as parents,

siblings, spouse and children to really suffer from this placement of the

lagneśa.

My

understanding is that other than close family members, who can you actually

draw life and longevity from?

 

Now;

i explained internal and external significations in a separate mail. Prasna

Marga assumes that external significations will always be there, but the

internal significations may be lacking unless the bhava is aspected by its

lord, or is otherwise strong. Theres a very deep philosophy underlying this

about how a bhava is an aditya vs. a vishnu rūpa, and because i have my own

doubts about its practicality in predictions, i’d like to refrain from

discussing it.

 

As

for twelfth house and journeys, the association of twelfth house and lagna

tends to take the native to a place distant from home, but doesn’t necessarily

cause problems to that area of life. Infact Parasara doesn’t talk of

travelling, because he rarely repeats himself. In the chapter on twelfth house,

he gives two slokas about the twelfth lord and travelling.

 

Best

wishes,

font-weight:bold">

color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen

Verdana;color:#99CC00">

color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com

color:#99CC00">visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

font-family:Verdana;color:#4E81C4">

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Michael

Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe]

12 March 2005 15:37

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

Dear

Visti,

 

I am

trying to understand. I have Prasna Tantra by B. V. Raman. Is Prasna Marga the

same as Prasna Marga?

 

If so I

could not find the external significance for the 12th house. Let me quote from

the Prasna Tantra:

Stanza

30: The 12th house rules renunciation, enjoyment, disputes, charity,

cultivation and institutional expenditure.

 

The COVA

does mention secret enemies (significator Rahu).

 

Now

Lagna Lord in 12th would mean that’s ones secret enemies will be

destroyed. This does not mean that one will not have secret enemies. It’s only

that they will not succeed.

 

About

internal signification (ref COVA) I find in my case I have problem with sleep

(cannot sleep for more than 4 to 5 hours at a stretch), wasteful expenditure

(significator: Saturn), etc. I was wondering why long journeys (significator:

Venus) is not effected. In fact I have undertaken several long journeys in my

life and live 3 continents away from home.

 

As

regards planet in 12th house and finding flaw in any argument and

you are spot on here. I have Lagnesh in 12th. I have Aq Lagna.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:20 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

You

have copied this from some online text. Please get the original sanskrit and

work on it, it actually gets easier to understand and remember Parasara.

There are

three results give by Parasara;

l0 level1 lfo5">

Ignore">-

dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

comforts/happiness

l0 level1 lfo5">

Ignore">-

vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or

useless expenditure

l0 level1 lfo5">

Ignore">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

The

Sharma edition has seemingly by accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€,

please keep that in mind.

 

l0 level1 lfo5">

Ignore">-

dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th

house, whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of

this if lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna

lord is in the second house.

 

l0 level1 lfo5">

Ignore">-

vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead

the correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate,

but point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the

world, and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a

means through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations)

and the devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind

the vyayapada (UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If

lagneśa goes to the twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the

pitris and devas, and is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing

spendthriftness; please examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house,

and not all will be spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first

and twelfth houses from arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as

per Jaimini’s advise.

 

l0 level1 lfo5">

Ignore">-

mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a

result these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are,

however this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any

argument. Be it a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick

arguments. Just for writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth

house to disagree with me... please read on.

 

Maharishi

Parasara finally states; shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita;

the above happens if the twelfth is devoid of benefic association

(aspect/conjunction).

We may

infer that when there are both benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the

good and evil results will manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may

have seen the negative results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

Best

wishes,

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color:#99CC00;font-weight:bold">Visti Larsen

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color:#99CC00">http://srigaruda.com

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Samir Shah

[a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

12 March 2005 09:42

 

[Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt">|| Om

Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the person

would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external

signification. And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to

suffer - but they don't. Instead the native is troubled by them.

Perhaps the dictum applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse

etc... I would be grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

--- In

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

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Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

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(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

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Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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Dear Visti,

 

Let me give you some feedback based on significations

given in COVA.

 

Punishment

(Saturn) - Increased

Long

Journeys (Venus)- Increased

Misfortunes

and bad habits (Rahu) – Increased (only bad habits)

Bed

pleasures (Venus) - Mixed

Sleep

(Moon) - Decreased

Meditation

(Ketu) – Cant say

Donation

(Jupiter) - Decreased

Secret

enemies (Rahu) – enhanced and destroyed too

Heaven

(Jupiter) – don’t know what it means

Left

eye (Moon/Venus) – Was effected for some time;

vision is 50.

Expenditure

(Saturn) - Increased

 

This looks like a mixed bag. I was trying

to find some consistency. Can you see something that I cannot? Or is it related

to relation of Saturn with the planet representing the signification either

natural or from the chart.

 

Mike

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RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

color:green;mso-ansi-language:DA">||Hare Rama Krsna||

color:#003300;mso-ansi-language:DA">Dear Mike,

Actually

the bhava’s internal

significations will get stronger

when its lord aspects or joins it.

 

But

which internal significations is he going to strengthen if he is a malefic, and

that too saturn? This is the next step and is related to Karaka. Just as you

mentioned before; sleep-deprivation has become prominent, so Saturn is not

supporting this for sure as the karaka is Moon. Saturn will however increase

loss and expenditure as he himself is the karaka for this. Saturn is the cause

of starvation, so you should be very good at fasting for longer periods of

time. Saturn is the cause of renunciation, so a life of wandering and a

somewhat renounced lifestyle in some particular aspects of your life is

possible. To confirm the extent of the latter we need to analyze the UL and AL

more closely. Venus is the karaka for long journeys, and Saturn is the natural

yogakaraka for venus, so this should become prominent. Bad habbits and secret

enemies is however also possible.

 

To

give another example for illustration; Saturn in own sign in 4th

house is supposed to strengthen the internal significations of the 4th

house. But Saturn will surely not give happiness, on the contrary.

Best

wishes,

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RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

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Hi Visti,

 

Just a clarification.

 

Lagna Lord in 12th

in the case of Aq Lagna is in its own house.

 

Internal signification

will be lacking if the bhava is aspected by its lord or strong. This means in

this particular case the internal significance should not suffer. But this

is not true. How do you

explain?

 

Regards,

 

Mike

 

Visti Larsen

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Saturday, March 12, 2005

10:10 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

color:green;mso-ansi-language:DA">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Mike,

Prasna

Tantra is quite different from Prasna Marga, but the translator is the same.

Your

question regarding internal and external comes from Samir’s querry. In fact to

settle that querry, i’ve only found the close family members, such as parents,

siblings, spouse and children to really suffer from this placement of the

lagneśa.

My

understanding is that other than close family members, who can you actually

draw life and longevity from?

 

Now;

i explained internal and external significations in a separate mail. Prasna

Marga assumes that external significations will always be there, but the

internal significations may be lacking unless the bhava is aspected by its

lord, or is otherwise strong. Theres a very deep philosophy underlying this

about how a bhava is an aditya vs. a vishnu rūpa, and because i have my own

doubts about its practicality in predictions, i’d like to refrain from

discussing it.

 

As

for twelfth house and journeys, the association of twelfth house and lagna

tends to take the native to a place distant from home, but doesn’t necessarily

cause problems to that area of life. Infact Parasara doesn’t talk of

travelling, because he rarely repeats himself. In the chapter on twelfth house,

he gives two slokas about the twelfth lord and travelling.

 

Best

wishes,

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RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

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Dear

Visti,

 

I am trying

to understand. I have Prasna Tantra by B. V. Raman. Is Prasna Marga the same as

Prasna Marga?

 

If so I

could not find the external significance for the 12th house. Let me quote from

the Prasna Tantra:

Stanza

30: The 12th house rules renunciation, enjoyment, disputes, charity,

cultivation and institutional expenditure.

 

The COVA

does mention secret enemies (significator Rahu).

 

Now

Lagna Lord in 12th would mean that’s ones secret enemies will be

destroyed. This does not mean that one will not have secret enemies. It’s only

that they will not succeed.

 

About

internal signification (ref COVA) I find in my case I have problem with sleep

(cannot sleep for more than 4 to 5 hours at a stretch), wasteful expenditure

(significator: Saturn), etc. I was wondering why long journeys (significator:

Venus) is not effected. In fact I have undertaken several long journeys in my

life and live 3 continents away from home.

 

As

regards planet in 12th house and finding flaw in any argument and

you are spot on here. I have Lagnesh in 12th. I have Aq Lagna.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

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Saturday, March 12, 2005

7:20 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

You

have copied this from some online text. Please get the original sanskrit and

work on it, it actually gets easier to understand and remember Parasara.

There

are three results give by Parasara;

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dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

comforts/happiness

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vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or

useless expenditure

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mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

The

Sharma edition has seemingly by accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€,

please keep that in mind.

 

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dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th

house, whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of this

if lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna lord is

in the second house.

 

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vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead

the correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate,

but point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the

world, and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a

means through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations)

and the devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind

the vyayapada (UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If

lagneśa goes to the twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the

pitris and devas, and is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing

spendthriftness; please examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house,

and not all will be spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first

and twelfth houses from arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as

per Jaimini’s advise.

 

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mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a

result these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are,

however this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any

argument. Be it a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick

arguments. Just for writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth

house to disagree with me... please read on.

 

Maharishi

Parasara finally states; shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita;

the above happens if the twelfth is devoid of benefic association

(aspect/conjunction).

We may

infer that when there are both benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the

good and evil results will manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may

have seen the negative results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

Best

wishes,

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[Om Krishna Guru] #4

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Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the person

would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external

signification. And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to

suffer - but they don't. Instead the native is troubled by them.

Perhaps the dictum applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse

etc... I would be grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:olive">Dear Mike, Namaskar

12.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;color:olive">Yes its the natural relationship of

Saturn with the Karaka.

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13 March 2005 18:55

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

12.0pt">

Dear Visti,

 

Let me give you some feedback based on

significations given in COVA.

 

Punishment

(Saturn) - Increased

Long

Journeys (Venus)- Increased

Misfortunes

and bad habits (Rahu) – Increased (only bad habits)

Bed

pleasures (Venus) - Mixed

Sleep (Moon)

- Decreased

Meditation

(Ketu) – Cant say

Donation

(Jupiter) - Decreased

Secret

enemies (Rahu) – enhanced and destroyed too

Heaven

(Jupiter) – don’t know what it means

Left eye

(Moon/Venus) – Was effected for some time; vision is 50.

Expenditure

(Saturn) - Increased

 

This looks like a mixed bag. I was trying

to find some consistency. Can you see something that I cannot? Or is it related

to relation of Saturn with the planet representing the signification either

natural or from the chart.

 

Mike

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Visti Larsen

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Sunday, March 13, 2005 4:44 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

color:green">||Hare Rama Krsna||

color:#003300">Dear Mike,

Actually

the bhava’s internal

significations will get stronger

when its lord aspects or joins it.

 

But

which internal significations is he going to strengthen if he is a malefic, and

that too saturn? This is the next step and is related to Karaka. Just as you mentioned

before; sleep-deprivation has become prominent, so Saturn is not supporting

this for sure as the karaka is Moon. Saturn will however increase loss and

expenditure as he himself is the karaka for this. Saturn is the cause of

starvation, so you should be very good at fasting for longer periods of time.

Saturn is the cause of renunciation, so a life of wandering and a somewhat

renounced lifestyle in some particular aspects of your life is possible. To

confirm the extent of the latter we need to analyze the UL and AL more closely.

Venus is the karaka for long journeys, and Saturn is the natural yogakaraka for

venus, so this should become prominent. Bad habbits and secret enemies is

however also possible.

 

To

give another example for illustration; Saturn in own sign in 4th

house is supposed to strengthen the internal significations of the 4th

house. But Saturn will surely not give happiness, on the contrary.

Best

wishes,

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Travass [mtravass (AT) terra (DOT) com.pe]

12 March 2005 21:09

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

Hi

Visti,

 

Just a

clarification.

 

Lagna

Lord in 12th in the case of Aq Lagna is in its own house.

 

Internal

signification will be lacking if the bhava is aspected by its lord or strong.

This means in this particular case the internal significance should not suffer.

But this

is not

true. How do you explain?

 

Regards,

 

Mike

 

Visti Larsen [visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005 10:10 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

color:green">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Mike,

Prasna

Tantra is quite different from Prasna Marga, but the translator is the same.

Your

question regarding internal and external comes from Samir’s querry. In fact to

settle that querry, i’ve only found the close family members, such as parents,

siblings, spouse and children to really suffer from this placement of the

lagneśa.

My

understanding is that other than close family members, who can you actually

draw life and longevity from?

 

Now;

i explained internal and external significations in a separate mail. Prasna

Marga assumes that external significations will always be there, but the

internal significations may be lacking unless the bhava is aspected by its

lord, or is otherwise strong. Theres a very deep philosophy underlying this

about how a bhava is an aditya vs. a vishnu rūpa, and because i have my own doubts

about its practicality in predictions, i’d like to refrain from discussing it.

 

As

for twelfth house and journeys, the association of twelfth house and lagna

tends to take the native to a place distant from home, but doesn’t necessarily

cause problems to that area of life. Infact Parasara doesn’t talk of

travelling, because he rarely repeats himself. In the chapter on twelfth house,

he gives two slokas about the twelfth lord and travelling.

 

Best

wishes,

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12 March 2005 15:37

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

Dear

Visti,

 

I am

trying to understand. I have Prasna Tantra by B. V. Raman. Is Prasna Marga the

same as Prasna Marga?

 

If so I

could not find the external significance for the 12th house. Let me quote from

the Prasna Tantra:

Stanza

30: The 12th house rules renunciation, enjoyment, disputes, charity,

cultivation and institutional expenditure.

 

The COVA

does mention secret enemies (significator Rahu).

 

Now

Lagna Lord in 12th would mean that’s ones secret enemies will be

destroyed. This does not mean that one will not have secret enemies. It’s only

that they will not succeed.

 

About

internal signification (ref COVA) I find in my case I have problem with sleep

(cannot sleep for more than 4 to 5 hours at a stretch), wasteful expenditure

(significator: Saturn), etc. I was wondering why long journeys (significator:

Venus) is not effected. In fact I have undertaken several long journeys in my

life and live 3 continents away from home.

 

As

regards planet in 12th house and finding flaw in any argument and

you are spot on here. I have Lagnesh in 12th. I have Aq Lagna.

 

Mike

 

 

 

 

 

 

Visti Larsen

[visti (AT) (DOT) org]

Saturday, March 12, 2005 7:20 AM

 

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

||Hare

Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar

You

have copied this from some online text. Please get the original sanskrit and

work on it, it actually gets easier to understand and remember Parasara.

There

are three results give by Parasara;

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dehasaukhya-vivarjita; devoid of bodily

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vyartha-vyayī; fruitless expenditure or

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mahÄkrodhÄ«; prone to much anger/wrathful

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Sharma edition has seemingly by accident mistranslated the word “vivarjitaâ€,

please keep that in mind.

 

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dehasaukhya; the health

of the body is seen from the lagna, but the comforts of the body are seen from

the twelfth house itself, i.e. sleep, recuperation and relaxation. When worst

comes to worst, the twelfth house is the doctor and hospital where our recovery

requires special assistance, and hence the twelfth house is for the bodily

comforts. That is why śubha yoga is formed by planets in the 12th

house, whilst it is aśubha when malefics are there. One suffers on account of

this if lagna lord is in the twelfth house. This is the opposite when lagna

lord is in the second house.

 

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vyartha-vyayī; notice

that the word “vyayaśīla†has not been used which means spendthrift. Instead

the correct intepretation is; wasteful-expenditure. Its hard to differentiate,

but point is that the twelfth house is responsible for making us give to the

world, and to give to the right people at the right time. This giving is a

means through which we clear our debts to our pitris (past seven generations)

and the devas, whom we owe a debt for being born. This is the principle behind

the vyayapada (UL), which is will show where our expenditure is going. If

lagneśa goes to the twelfth house, then this expenditure does not go to the

pitris and devas, and is useless. To counter arguments about the yoga causing

spendthriftness; please examine charts of people with lagneśa in twelfth house,

and not all will be spendthrift, instead for this we need to analyse the first

and twelfth houses from arudha lagna, and kÄraka lagna (atmakaraka sign), as

per Jaimini’s advise.

 

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mahÄkrodhÄ«; when any

planet is in the twelfth house, it will invariably be opposite to the sixth

house, and hence a strong focus of attention comes on the sixth house. As a

result these people have a very good suspicioun about who their enemies are,

however this focus also results in them being able to see a flaw in any

argument. Be it a benefit or a flaw, this causes them to argue and pick

arguments. Just for writing this, i should expect some with lagneśa in twelfth

house to disagree with me... please read on.

 

Maharishi

Parasara finally states; shubhadá¹›gyoga-varjita;

the above happens if the twelfth is devoid of benefic association

(aspect/conjunction).

We may

infer that when there are both benefics and malefics aspecting, that both the

good and evil results will manifest depending on the dasa’s. i.e. a person may

have seen the negative results in childhood but the opposite in later age.

 

Best

wishes,

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Samir

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12 March 2005 09:42

 

[Om Krishna Guru] #4

"Count from Lagna to it's lord..."

 

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Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vistiji and list members, Namaskar.

Thank you for your guidance.

BPHS 24.12 (English translation) If Lagns Lord is in Vyaya Bhava and is

devoid of benefic Drishti and/or Yuti, the native will be bereft of physical

happiness, will spend unfruitfully and be given to much anger.

I'm not sure what the external significations of the 12th house

are (am still waiting to get hold of Prasna Marga), but one signification I

remember is 'secret (unknown) enemies'. I think this could be considered

external... In which case despite the other problems mentioned above, the

person would not have any secret enemies to worry about!

I'm still stuck on the problem of Lagnesh in the 6th house:

BPHS 24.6: If

Lagns Lord is in Ari Bhava and related to a malefic the native will be devoid

of physical happiness and will be troubled by enemies, if there is no benefic

Drishti.

As per my understanding, enemies are an external

signification. And therefore it would be logical for the enemies to

suffer - but they don't. Instead the native is troubled by them.

Perhaps the dictum applies only to relatives? Father, child, spouse

etc... I would be grateful for any guidance.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

--- In

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

No approval needed - you are right in your estimation. Invariably if

Lagna

lord is in the 9th house, the father of the native suffers. This can

result

in bad-luck or even premature demise of the father, provided other

combinations are there (A9, 9th from Sun and Suns placement in D12).

 

To help the discussion, please qoute what Maharishi Parasara says

about

Lagnesha in the Vyayabhava.

 

Dear Mike, Prasna Marga talks about internal and external

significations of

a bhava.

 

Best wishes,

Visti Larsen

12.0pt;margin-left:108.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt;margin-left:72.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt;margin-left:36.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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