Guest guest Posted March 28, 2005 Report Share Posted March 28, 2005 Dear Sh. Visti, It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to marital affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail. Regards, Vijay Kumar -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Vijay, Namaskar, Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and hopefully save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am lacking. This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to the UL than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and to this world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us to learn to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every way possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the arudha of the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear why this is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis is truly a marvel to see. >From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the first person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The spouse is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the divine - before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is (supposed to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue of selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to the entire world. So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything else. You will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual (and business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of course, marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage. However the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, but we all have to start somewhere with understanding. With reverence to the Gurus, Samir "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am Upapada Dear Sh. Visti, It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to marital affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail. Regards, Vijay Kumar -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also Gaunapada or Vyayapada. More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the twelfth house is so important for marriage. The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is not like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but instead for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth house is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the sixth from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we also understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also for the opposite namely renunciation. And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a different and more valid viewpoint; Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2) Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at peace. Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will carry this debt to our next lives. Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth house, but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he transits the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means twelve. It is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which shows our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt for having being created, which is seen in the twelfth house. So now we’ve established that the twelfth house shows how we repay our debt to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either through marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt is seen from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the world, i.e. through the arudhas. That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada can cause renunciation. So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. It also shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and hence can indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage will last in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such a contract was written or not for the relationship. With this foundation, i’m sure you can appreciate the upapada more. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah [a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk] 29 March 2005 11:00 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada 12.0pt"> || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Vijay, Namaskar, Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and hopefully save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am lacking. This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to the UL than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and to this world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us to learn to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every way possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the arudha of the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear why this is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis is truly a marvel to see. >From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the first person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The spouse is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the divine - before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is (supposed to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue of selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to the entire world. So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything else. You will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual (and business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of course, marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage. However the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, but we all have to start somewhere with understanding. With reverence to the Gurus, Samir "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am Upapada Dear Sh. Visti, It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to marital affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail. Regards, Vijay Kumar -- Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Dear Visti, Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few questions. Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th house is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya peetha. 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other things or the lack off. Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage) etc. Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or A12 would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as satya peetha. So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and age can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves around with them in society. Should that be the proper reflection. I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in todays day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any judgement. If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ? So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage i.e if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing of marriage. I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic. When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you. Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for timing marriage as the phal sthan ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar > > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also > Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the twelfth > house is so important for marriage. > > > > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is not > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but instead > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth house > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the sixth > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we also > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also for the > opposite namely renunciation. > > > > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a different > and more valid viewpoint; > > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2) > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at peace. > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will carry > this debt to our next lives. > > > > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth house, > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he transits > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means twelve. It > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which shows > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt for having > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house. > > > > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we repay our debt > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either through > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt is seen > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the world, i.e. > through the arudhas. > > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada can > cause renunciation. > > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. It also > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and hence can > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage will last > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such a contract > was written or not for the relationship. > > > > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada more. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Samir Shah [a48919062] > 29 March 2005 11:00 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar, > > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and hopefully > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am lacking. > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to the UL > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. > > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and to this > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us to learn > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every way > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the arudha of > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear why this > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis is truly a > marvel to see. > > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the first > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The spouse > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the divine - > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is (supposed > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue of > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to the > entire world. > > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything else. You > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual (and > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of course, > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage. However > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. > > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, but we all > have to start somewhere with understanding. > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > Samir > > _____ > > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@> > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am > Upapada > > > Dear Sh. Visti, > > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. > > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to marital > affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail. > > Regards, > > Vijay Kumar > > -- > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > 7 > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > 7 > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=3/SIG=1424c63em/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ash, Namaskar I need to clarify something in your understanding. The term; Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a mirage. However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world. Arudha can make you a president. Is being president an illusion or are you infact president? Truth is that you are infact president and it is no illusion. Take a more mundane example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is no illusion. I have never used the term; “illusion”, because it is very misleading for beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating between your boss being a boss vs. a ‘human being’ with flesh and bones. Truth/satya is that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of becoming your boss. As far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is real, and he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya. Please rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be clarified before answering your questions. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">ashsam73 [ashsam73 ] 29 March 2005 14:39 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti, Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few questions. Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th house is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya peetha. 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other things or the lack off. Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage) etc. Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or A12 would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as satya peetha. So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and age can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves around with them in society. Should that be the proper reflection. I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in todays day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any judgement. If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ? So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage i.e if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing of marriage. I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic. When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you. Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for timing marriage as the phal sthan ? Thanking you, Cheers !!! Ash , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar > > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also > Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the twelfth > house is so important for marriage. > > > > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is not > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but instead > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth house > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the sixth > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we also > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also for the > opposite namely renunciation. > > > > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a different > and more valid viewpoint; > > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2) > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at peace. > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will carry > this debt to our next lives. > > > > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth house, > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he transits > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means twelve. It > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which shows > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt for having > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house. > > > > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we repay our debt > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either through > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt is seen > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the world, i.e. > through the arudhas. > > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada can > cause renunciation. > > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. It also > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and hence can > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage will last > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such a contract > was written or not for the relationship. > > > > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada more. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > Samir Shah [a48919062] > 29 March 2005 11:00 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar, > > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and hopefully > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am lacking. > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to the UL > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. > > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and to this > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us to learn > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every way > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the arudha of > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear why this > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis is truly a > marvel to see. > > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the first > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The spouse > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the divine - > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is (supposed > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue of > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to the > entire world. > > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything else. You > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual (and > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of course, > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage. However > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. > > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, but we all > have to start somewhere with understanding. > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > Samir > > _____ > > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@> > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am > Upapada > > > Dear Sh. Visti, > > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. > > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to marital > affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail. > > Regards, > > Vijay Kumar > > -- > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > > > > > > > > 7 > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > 7 > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=3/SIG=1424c63em/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Dear Visti, Say becoming a president or say studying the status, authority, responsibility is 10th house matter i.e. physical 10th house of the chart. That is the truth. Satya Peetha. Now you are casting an Arudha of it. I beleive it means Mount. Reflection of it. I shall keep the word illusion aside as you said it is not a proper indication of the word Arudha. Now you are studying A10 in referece to 10th house of the chart. So studying Reflection of the truth. Reflection means how people perceive it. I will stop here and see if we are on the same page. Assume : 10th house = Native is made the President A10 = Perception of people of the president. Cheers !!! Ash , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ash, Namaskar > > I need to clarify something in your understanding. > > The term; Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a mirage. > However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world. Arudha can > make you a president. Is being president an illusion or are you infact > president? Truth is that you are infact president and it is no illusion. > Take a more mundane example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is no > illusion. > > I have never used the term; "illusion", because it is very misleading for > beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating between your > boss being a boss vs. a 'human being' with flesh and bones. Truth/satya is > that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of becoming your > boss. As far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is real, and > he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya. > > Please rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be clarified before > answering your questions. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > 29 March 2005 14:39 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > Dear Visti, > > Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few > questions. > > Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th house > is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya > peetha. > > 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other things > or the lack off. > > Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage) > etc. > > Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th > house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or A12 > would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as satya > peetha. > > So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya > peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to > UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and age > can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves around > with them in society. > > Should that be the proper reflection. > > I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in todays > day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any > judgement. > > If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th > house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ? > > So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage i.e > if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then > as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing > of marriage. > > I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic. > > When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you. > > Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for > timing marriage as the phal sthan ? > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar > > > > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > > > > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is > also > > Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > > > > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the > twelfth > > house is so important for marriage. > > > > > > > > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This > is not > > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but > instead > > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the > twelfth house > > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of > the > > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the > sixth > > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > > > > > > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until > we also > > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but > also for the > > opposite namely renunciation. > > > > > > > > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a > different > > and more valid viewpoint; > > > > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven > > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) > Become > > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka > Jupiter). 2) > > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > > > > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at > peace. > > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will > carry > > this debt to our next lives. > > > > > > > > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth > house, > > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he > transits > > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means > twelve. It > > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which > shows > > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt > for having > > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house. > > > > > > > > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we repay > our debt > > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either > through > > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt > is seen > > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the > world, i.e. > > through the arudhas. > > > > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada > can > > cause renunciation. > > > > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. > It also > > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and > hence can > > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage > will last > > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such a > contract > > was written or not for the relationship. > > > > > > > > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada more. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > Samir Shah [a48919062] > > 29 March 2005 11:00 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > > > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar, > > > > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and > hopefully > > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am > lacking. > > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to > the UL > > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. > > > > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and > to this > > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us > to learn > > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every > way > > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the > arudha of > > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear > why this > > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis > is truly a > > marvel to see. > > > > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the > first > > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The > spouse > > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the > divine - > > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is > (supposed > > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue > of > > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to > the > > entire world. > > > > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything > else. You > > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual > (and > > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of > course, > > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage. > However > > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. > > > > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, > but we all > > have to start somewhere with understanding. > > > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > > > Samir > > > > _____ > > > > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@> > > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am > > Upapada > > > > > > Dear Sh. Visti, > > > > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. > > > > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to > marital > > affairs. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Ash, Namaskar “Satya Peetha” means “seat of truth”. Now you have used the term ‘perception’. Perception is oppinionated, but an arudha is manifest. Example: The president signs a contract to confirm his presidency, it is manifested and hence is an arudha. But the truth is that this is just a piece of paper and the person has two hands and is doing something for other people. The 10th house shows what you are working with and how you work, but your status is actually seen from the A10. That is why it is called Rajyapada. So two politicians will work with the same – the work they do is the truth of the tenth house, but one will have a higher status based on the arudha. Arudha does show mount. You are standing on that mount. Status is all about arudha. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">ashsam73 [ashsam73 ] 29 March 2005 15:30 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada 12.0pt"> font-family:"Courier New""> Dear Visti, Say becoming a president or say studying the status, authority, responsibility is 10th house matter i.e. physical 10th house of the chart. That is the truth. Satya Peetha. Now you are casting an Arudha of it. I beleive it means Mount. Reflection of it. I shall keep the word illusion aside as you said it is not a proper indication of the word Arudha. Now you are studying A10 in referece to 10th house of the chart. So studying Reflection of the truth. Reflection means how people perceive it. I will stop here and see if we are on the same page. Assume : 10th house = Native is made the President A10 = Perception of people of the president. Cheers !!! Ash , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ash, Namaskar > > I need to clarify something in your understanding. > > The term; Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a mirage. > However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world. Arudha can > make you a president. Is being president an illusion or are you infact > president? Truth is that you are infact president and it is no illusion. > Take a more mundane example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is no > illusion. > > I have never used the term; "illusion", because it is very misleading for > beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating between your > boss being a boss vs. a 'human being' with flesh and bones. Truth/satya is > that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of becoming your > boss. As far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is real, and > he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya. > > Please rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be clarified before > answering your questions. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > 29 March 2005 14:39 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > Dear Visti, > > Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few > questions. > > Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th house > is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya > peetha. > > 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other things > or the lack off. > > Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage) > etc. > > Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th > house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or A12 > would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as satya > peetha. > > So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya > peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to > UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and age > can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves around > with them in society. > > Should that be the proper reflection. > > I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in todays > day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any > judgement. > > If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th > house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ? > > So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage i.e > if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then > as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing > of marriage. > > I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic. > > When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you. > > Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for > timing marriage as the phal sthan ? > > Thanking you, > Cheers !!! > Ash > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar > > > > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > > > > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is > also > > Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > > > > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the > twelfth > > house is so important for marriage. > > > > > > > > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This > is not > > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but > instead > > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the > twelfth house > > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of > the > > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the > sixth > > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > > > > > > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until > we also > > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but > also for the > > opposite namely renunciation. > > > > > > > > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a > different > > and more valid viewpoint; > > > > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven > > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) > Become > > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka > Jupiter). 2) > > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > > > > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at > peace. > > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will > carry > > this debt to our next lives. > > > > > > > > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth > house, > > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he > transits > > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means > twelve. It > > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which > shows > > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt > for having > > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house. > > > > > > > > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we repay > our debt > > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either > through > > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt > is seen > > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the > world, i.e. > > through the arudhas. > > > > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada > can > > cause renunciation. > > > > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. > It also > > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and > hence can > > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage > will last > > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such a > contract > > was written or not for the relationship. > > > > > > > > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada more. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > Samir Shah [a48919062] > > 29 March 2005 11:00 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > > > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar, > > > > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and > hopefully > > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am > lacking. > > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to > the UL > > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. > > > > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and > to this > > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us > to learn > > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every > way > > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the > arudha of > > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear > why this > > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis > is truly a > > marvel to see. > > > > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the > first > > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The > spouse > > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the > divine - > > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is > (supposed > > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue > of > > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to > the > > entire world. > > > > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything > else. You > > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual > (and > > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of > course, > > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage. > However > > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. > > > > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, > but we all > > have to start somewhere with understanding. > > > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > > > Samir > > > > _____ > > > > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@> > > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am > > Upapada > > > > > > Dear Sh. Visti, > > > > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. > > > > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to > marital > > affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail. > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Kumar > > > > -- > > Open WebMail Project (http://openwebmail.org) > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading today > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > > > > > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 > 1/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: > /child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 > 1/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: > /child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7 > > > > Click > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 > 1/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http: > /child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > > And Change His Life > > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129n1fo8b/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 > 1/D=gr > > > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112174160/A=2535374/R=3/SIG=1424c63em/*http: > /child > > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? > _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Learn More > > > > > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? > M=332618.5923858.6999527.2152211/D=groups/S= > > :HM/A=2535374/rand=615764498> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > / > > > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > > > <? > subject=Un> > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > <> Terms of Service. > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > Children International > > > > > Would you give Hope to a Child in need? > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129u04afp/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112186803/A=2535374/R=0/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> > > > > > > > > . > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129u04afp/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112186803/A=2535374/R=1/SIG=142trf8s4/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 72&s=f&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Girl > And Give Her Hope > > > > > > > > . > > Click > <http://us.ard./SIG=129u04afp/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112186803/A=2535374/R=2/SIG=1424c63em/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Here to meet a Boy > And Change His Life > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129u04afp/M=332618.5923858.6999527.215221 1/D=gr > oups/S=1705082690:HM/EXP=1112186803/A=2535374/R=3/SIG=1424c63em/*http: /child > ren.780net.com/qry/CICHildselect.taf? _function=childSearch&ETTFMRS_BHST_ID=8 > 71&s=m&hostName=Children%20International> Learn More > > > > <http://us.adserver./l? 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Dear Visti, Thanks for your time and answer. I have some more questions but I shall ask after giving it some more thought. Cheers !!! Ash , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Ash, Namaskar > > "Satya Peetha" means "seat of truth". > > Now you have used the term 'perception'. Perception is oppinionated, but an > arudha is manifest. > > Example: The president signs a contract to confirm his presidency, it is > manifested and hence is an arudha. But the truth is that this is just a > piece of paper and the person has two hands and is doing something for other > people. > > > > The 10th house shows what you are working with and how you work, but your > status is actually seen from the A10. That is why it is called Rajyapada. So > two politicians will work with the same - the work they do is the truth of > the tenth house, but one will have a higher status based on the arudha. > > > > Arudha does show mount. You are standing on that mount. Status is all about > arudha. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > 29 March 2005 15:30 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > Dear Visti, > Say becoming a president or say studying the status, authority, > responsibility is 10th house matter i.e. physical 10th house of the > chart. That is the truth. Satya Peetha. > > Now you are casting an Arudha of it. I beleive it means Mount. > Reflection of it. I shall keep the word illusion aside as you said > it is not a proper indication of the word Arudha. > > Now you are studying A10 in referece to 10th house of the chart. > > So studying Reflection of the truth. Reflection means how people > perceive it. > > I will stop here and see if we are on the same page. > > Assume : > > 10th house = Native is made the President > A10 = Perception of people of the president. > > Cheers !!! > Ash > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Ash, Namaskar > > > > I need to clarify something in your understanding. > > > > The term; Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a > mirage. > > However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world. > Arudha can > > make you a president. Is being president an illusion or are you > infact > > president? Truth is that you are infact president and it is no > illusion. > > Take a more mundane example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is no > > illusion. > > > > I have never used the term; "illusion", because it is very > misleading for > > beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating > between your > > boss being a boss vs. a 'human being' with flesh and bones. > Truth/satya is > > that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of becoming > your > > boss. As far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is > real, and > > he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya. > > > > Please rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be > clarified before > > answering your questions. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > ashsam73 [ashsam73] > > 29 March 2005 14:39 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > > > > > > Dear Visti, > > > > Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few > > questions. > > > > Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th > house > > is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya > > peetha. > > > > 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other > things > > or the lack off. > > > > Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage) > > etc. > > > > Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th > > house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or > A12 > > would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as > satya > > peetha. > > > > So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya > > peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to > > UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and > age > > can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves > around > > with them in society. > > > > Should that be the proper reflection. > > > > I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in > todays > > day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any > > judgement. > > > > If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th > > house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ? > > > > So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage > i.e > > if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then > > as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing > > of marriage. > > > > I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic. > > > > When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for > > timing marriage as the phal sthan ? > > > > Thanking you, > > Cheers !!! > > Ash > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...> > > wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar > > > > > > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > > > > > > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is > > also > > > Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > > > > > > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the > > twelfth > > > house is so important for marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. > This > > is not > > > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but > > instead > > > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the > > twelfth house > > > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading > of > > the > > > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in > the > > sixth > > > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > > > > > > > > > > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until > > we also > > > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but > > also for the > > > opposite namely renunciation. > > > > > > > > > > > > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a > > different > > > and more valid viewpoint; > > > > > > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven > > > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) > > Become > > > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka > > Jupiter). 2) > > > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > > > > > > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be > at > > peace. > > > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we > will > > carry > > > this debt to our next lives. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the > eighth > > house, > > > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when > he > > transits > > > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means > > twelve. It > > > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created > which > > shows > > > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt > > for having > > > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house. > > > > > > > > > > > > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we > repay > > our debt > > > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either > > through > > > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this > debt > > is seen > > > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the > > world, i.e. > > > through the arudhas. > > > > > > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the > upapada > > can > > > cause renunciation. > > > > > > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. > > It also > > > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and > > hence can > > > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage > > will last > > > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such > a > > contract > > > was written or not for the relationship. > > > > > > > > > > > > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada > more. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > *** > > > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > > > Email: <visti@s...> visti@s... > > > > > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > > > *** > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > Samir Shah [a48919062] > > > 29 March 2005 11:00 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada > > > > > > > > > > > > || Om Namah Shivaaya || > > > > > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar, > > > > > > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and > > hopefully > > > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am > > lacking. > > > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more > to > > the UL > > > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps. > > > > > > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society > and > > to this > > > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for > us > > to learn > > > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every > > way > > > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the > > arudha of > > > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming > clear > > why this > > > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis > > is truly a > > > marvel to see. > > > > > > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the > > first > > > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. > The > > spouse > > > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the > > divine - > > > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage > is > > (supposed > > > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the > virtue > > of > > > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning > to > > the > > > entire world. > > > > > > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything > > else. You > > > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual > > (and > > > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. > Of > > course, > > > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of > lineage. > > However > > > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import. > > > > > > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, > > but we all > > > have to start somewhere with understanding. > > > > > > With reverence to the Gurus, > > > > > > Samir > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@> > > > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am > > > Upapada > > > > > > > > > Dear Sh. Visti, > > > > > > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc. > > > > > > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to > > marital > > > affairs. 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Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Vistiji, Namaskar, Thank you for that enlightening exchange. I need to read it a few times to absorb everything. I have read a bit about the Surya Upapada (what we give to the supersoul?) and Chandra Upapada (what we give to society?). But I'm now very confused about the distinction between each of these - and what they each mean. If you consider it worthwhile, could you kindly give me some insight into these? Pranaam, Samir >______________________ > >Message: 11 > Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:15:32 +0200 > "Visti Larsen" > <<http://uk.f250.mail./ym/Compose?To=visti (AT) (DOT) org&YY=10077∨\ der=down&sort=date&pos=0>visti >RE: Re: Upapada > >||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >Dear Vijay, Namaskar > >Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > >The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also >Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > >More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the >twelfth >house is so important for marriage. > > > >The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is >not >like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but >instead >for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth >house >is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the >sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the >sixth >from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > >But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we >also >understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also >for the >opposite namely renunciation. > > > >And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a >different >and more valid viewpoint; > >Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven >generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become >married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2) >Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > >If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at >peace. >Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will >carry >this debt to our next lives. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 Dear Samir, Chandra Upapada tell us where our mind is going to in life, and where we go after death. If You read Bhagavad Gita You will know this connections. with regards, Rafal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2005 Report Share Posted March 29, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Samir, Namaskar Moon is pitris and Sun is devas. You can gather the rest. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen Email: visti Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com *** Samir Shah [a48919062] 30 March 2005 08:20 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada || Om Namah Shivaaya || Dear Vistiji, Namaskar, Thank you for that enlightening exchange. I need to read it a few times to absorb everything. I have read a bit about the Surya Upapada (what we give to the supersoul?) and Chandra Upapada (what we give to society?). But I'm now very confused about the distinction between each of these - and what they each mean. If you consider it worthwhile, could you kindly give me some insight into these? Pranaam, Samir >______________________ > >Message: 11 > Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:15:32 +0200 > "Visti Larsen" > <<http://uk.f250.mail./ym/Compose?To=visti (AT) (DOT) org&YY=1007 7&order=down&sort=date&pos=0>visti >RE: Re: Upapada > >||Hare Rama Krsna|| > >Dear Vijay, Namaskar > >Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this. > >The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also >Gaunapada or Vyayapada. > >More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the >twelfth >house is so important for marriage. > > > >The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is >not >like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but >instead >for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth >house >is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the >sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the >sixth >from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya. > > > >But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we >also >understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also >for the >opposite namely renunciation. > > > >And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a >different >and more valid viewpoint; > >Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven >generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become >married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2) >Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn). > >If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at >peace. >Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will >carry >this debt to our next lives. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Answers below. I’ve cc’ed this to the group. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 08 December 2005 13:03 Visti Larsen Upapada 12.0pt"> Dear Sh. Visti, 12.0pt"> I am trying to send this mail since 2 days to the list but in vain as it is bouncing, hence am sending on your personal mail id. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] I checked your status, but don’t see why you are bouncing, though it does indicate that you are. I have given you ‘unmoderated’ status on the list now, so there should be no problem. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Thanks for a lot of wisdom shared to the group. I have the request to guide me for the following matters and oblige. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Your welcome. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 01. For a person to finalise the match for marriage out of many proposals in hand, what considerations should be observed in terms of the mutual placement of Upapada of the proposed match ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Upapada matching is a different scenario. This shows WHO you consider as your spouse. If you do not consider your partner as a spouse, then you will not marry. font-style:italic">Here it is important to differentiate between two types of marriage first: Arranged marriages and Love marriages. The difference here is in ‘who is choosing the spouse’. If you let someone else choose for you, then it is considered an arranged marriage. If the decision is not out of love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have to match each others lagna. font-style:italic">In love marriages, or those of self-choice, the upapada of the spouse should match your lagna, and vice versa. Then one will consider that person as a spouse and the marriage can happen, otherwise not and the match should not be advised. font-style:italic">A big dilemma among those who have practiced this is, that it can be difficult to know whether the native is in their first, second, third, etc relationship and what is the scenario? This takes some practice. Upapada matching is a must. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 02. To what extent, do you find kuta matching pertinent in your experience? Should that be the main criterion for marriage alliance decision Vs Upapada placement ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] The point system of matching does not give a clear idea of the matching, as some of the matching techniques need not be applied initially like Yoni or Vaishya matching, which only have a very temporary function or are limited to the conjugal life. Married life doesn’t limit itself to the bedroom alone! The Matching techniques applied from the Moon and its nakshatra are more indicative of the families/communities of the bride and groom, as well as the health and karmic indications. Here it should be mentioned, that matching of characters (especially Gana matching) should be done from lagna instead of Moon. This is also useful in predictions from the natal chart alone, i.e. if a native has a Sattvic planet in lagna, then they are deva gana by nature, but if their Janmanakshatra is in a Rakshasa Gana nakshatra, then the native will be shunned by their family, and also very different from it by nature. Your family and your personality may not be the same. font-style:italic">Rajiu and Vedha matching should always be applied without fail as it not only shows the ability of one partner to protect the other, but remedies based on the relationship as well. Gotra and Varna matching need not be applied unless the couple will be working together. In this way each of the techniques should be understood first, and not just used as a point system. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 03. I have yet not understood how to observe Rasi (Bha) Kuta in matching scnerio. There are many conflicting rules in various texts. Kindly guide me to the underlying principle in it. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] This type of Kuta matching is interesting. Stri-Dirgha and Rashi kuta are similar, where the Rashi kuta has some pecularity. The stri-dirgha technique is to see whether the brides Moon is in the bright half or dark half from the grooms moon. I.e. if the grooms moon is in Taurus, then the brides Moon is well placed, if in the signs between Taurus and Scorpio (Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio). This is based on the principle of the bright and dark fortnights of the Moon. font-style:italic">This technique shows how much support is available from the grooms family/community, to support the bride. Since the bride used to leave her family to join the husbands, the support available for her is seen using this technique. Lack of support can give family disputes, monetary problems and etc. In todays world the husband may not be the sole benefactor in the family, hence this technique should be understood like this also. In many cases the brides family is a greater support to the relationship than the grooms. More below. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 04. In Nadi kuta, the matching is done as usual by nakshatra classification. Some texts also tabulate nadis by nakshatra padas. Here again, there is a lot of confusion whether the classification against nakshatra pada finally dictate ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] I was not taught Nadi/Bhuta matching, but i was told that this relates to genetics and health. I don’t think this can be substituted for other matchings. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 05. Can the Gana Kuta dosha be neglected in case of Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. I have observed that many texts agree to almost agree to ignore most of the doshas if Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. Kindly guide. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Graha Maitri: If the panchada sambandha (of the dispositors of moon signs - shubhapati) is inauspicious, then surely the bad effects of the Stri-dirgha and Rashi kuta will manifest. Because the graha maitri shows the actual relationship between the bride and groom, this is of absolute importance! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 06. Finally, below is the birth details of a girl. 12.0pt"> Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India 12.0pt"> Kindly indicate the rough estimate of marriage timing and oblige. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] This girl is on her first upapada. It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. 12.0pt"> Thanks 12.0pt"> Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Dear Sh Visti, Thanks for a very detailed reply. I am obliged for your kind help. A few doubts which have arisen as follows. You said If the decision is not out of love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have to match each others lagna. Is it essential that the partners who are destined to marry have the Upapada matched to the same sign ? If not so, what are the mutual placements of Upapada between the partners in case of arranged marriages ? I hail from India and most of the marriages are arranged by parents here, but if the upapada has to be the same sign in all/most cases, it looks to be little difficult statistically. Infact, I am searching a solution with the help of which, the parents could filter out the proposals taking stock of Upapada matching. Kindly elaborate. Your wisdom shall be very helpful to all. Thanks again for your kind efforts, Vijay Kumar - Visti Larsen 'Vijay Kumar' Cc: Friday, December 09, 2005 4:11 PM [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Upapada ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Answers below. I’ve cc’ed this to the group. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 08 December 2005 13:03Visti LarsenUpapada Dear Sh. Visti, I am trying to send this mail since 2 days to the list but in vain as it is bouncing, hence am sending on your personal mail id. [Visti] I checked your status, but don’t see why you are bouncing, though it does indicate that you are. I have given you ‘unmoderated’ status on the list now, so there should be no problem. Thanks for a lot of wisdom shared to the group. I have the request to guide me for the following matters and oblige. [Visti] Your welcome. 01. For a person to finalise the match for marriage out of many proposals in hand, what considerations should be observed in terms of the mutual placement of Upapada of the proposed match ? [Visti] Upapada matching is a different scenario. This shows WHO you consider as your spouse. If you do not consider your partner as a spouse, then you will not marry. Here it is important to differentiate between two types of marriage first: Arranged marriages and Love marriages. The difference here is in ‘who is choosing the spouse’. If you let someone else choose for you, then it is considered an arranged marriage. If the decision is not out of love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have to match each others lagna. In love marriages, or those of self-choice, the upapada of the spouse should match your lagna, and vice versa. Then one will consider that person as a spouse and the marriage can happen, otherwise not and the match should not be advised. A big dilemma among those who have practiced this is, that it can be difficult to know whether the native is in their first, second, third, etc relationship and what is the scenario? This takes some practice. Upapada matching is a must. 02. To what extent, do you find kuta matching pertinent in your experience? Should that be the main criterion for marriage alliance decision Vs Upapada placement ? [Visti] The point system of matching does not give a clear idea of the matching, as some of the matching techniques need not be applied initially like Yoni or Vaishya matching, which only have a very temporary function or are limited to the conjugal life. Married life doesn’t limit itself to the bedroom alone! The Matching techniques applied from the Moon and its nakshatra are more indicative of the families/communities of the bride and groom, as well as the health and karmic indications. Here it should be mentioned, that matching of characters (especially Gana matching) should be done from lagna instead of Moon. This is also useful in predictions from the natal chart alone, i.e. if a native has a Sattvic planet in lagna, then they are deva gana by nature, but if their Janmanakshatra is in a Rakshasa Gana nakshatra, then the native will be shunned by their family, and also very different from it by nature. Your family and your personality may not be the same. Rajiu and Vedha matching should always be applied without fail as it not only shows the ability of one partner to protect the other, but remedies based on the relationship as well. Gotra and Varna matching need not be applied unless the couple will be working together. In this way each of the techniques should be understood first, and not just used as a point system. 03. I have yet not understood how to observe Rasi (Bha) Kuta in matching scnerio. There are many conflicting rules in various texts. Kindly guide me to the underlying principle in it. [Visti] This type of Kuta matching is interesting. Stri-Dirgha and Rashi kuta are similar, where the Rashi kuta has some pecularity. The stri-dirgha technique is to see whether the brides Moon is in the bright half or dark half from the grooms moon. I.e. if the grooms moon is in Taurus, then the brides Moon is well placed, if in the signs between Taurus and Scorpio (Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio). This is based on the principle of the bright and dark fortnights of the Moon. This technique shows how much support is available from the grooms family/community, to support the bride. Since the bride used to leave her family to join the husbands, the support available for her is seen using this technique. Lack of support can give family disputes, monetary problems and etc. In todays world the husband may not be the sole benefactor in the family, hence this technique should be understood like this also. In many cases the brides family is a greater support to the relationship than the grooms. More below. 04. In Nadi kuta, the matching is done as usual by nakshatra classification. Some texts also tabulate nadis by nakshatra padas. Here again, there is a lot of confusion whether the classification against nakshatra pada finally dictate ? [Visti] I was not taught Nadi/Bhuta matching, but i was told that this relates to genetics and health. I don’t think this can be substituted for other matchings. 05. Can the Gana Kuta dosha be neglected in case of Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. I have observed that many texts agree to almost agree to ignore most of the doshas if Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. Kindly guide. [Visti] Graha Maitri: If the panchada sambandha (of the dispositors of moon signs - shubhapati) is inauspicious, then surely the bad effects of the Stri-dirgha and Rashi kuta will manifest. Because the graha maitri shows the actual relationship between the bride and groom, this is of absolute importance! 06. Finally, below is the birth details of a girl. Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India Kindly indicate the rough estimate of marriage timing and oblige. [Visti] This girl is on her first upapada. It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. Thanks Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage will be in kendra to each other. Hope this helps. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com bookman;color:#993366"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 09 December 2005 12:28 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] RE: Upapada 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Dear Sh Visti, 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Thanks for a very detailed reply. I am obliged for your kind help. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">A few doubts which have arisen as follows. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">You said If the decision is not out of love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have to match each others lagna. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Is it essential that the partners who are destined to marry have the Upapada matched to the same sign ? If not so, what are the mutual placements of Upapada between the partners in case of arranged marriages ? 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I hail from India and most of the marriages are arranged by parents here, but if the upapada has to be the same sign in all/most cases, it looks to be little difficult statistically. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Infact, I am searching a solution with the help of which, the parents could filter out the proposals taking stock of Upapada matching. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Kindly elaborate. Your wisdom shall be very helpful to all. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Thanks again for your kind efforts, 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Vijay Kumar color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 12.0pt">- margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"> Visti Larsen font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">'Vijay Kumar' font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Cc: font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Friday, December 09, 2005 4:11 PM font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">[Om Krishna Guru] RE: Upapada 12.0pt"> color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Answers below. I’ve cc’ed this to the group. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 08 December 2005 13:03 Visti Larsen Upapada 12.0pt"> Dear Sh. Visti, 12.0pt"> I am trying to send this mail since 2 days to the list but in vain as it is bouncing, hence am sending on your personal mail id. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] I checked your status, but don’t see why you are bouncing, though it does indicate that you are. I have given you ‘unmoderated’ status on the list now, so there should be no problem. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> Thanks for a lot of wisdom shared to the group. I have the request to guide me for the following matters and oblige. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Your welcome. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 01. For a person to finalise the match for marriage out of many proposals in hand, what considerations should be observed in terms of the mutual placement of Upapada of the proposed match ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Upapada matching is a different scenario. This shows WHO you consider as your spouse. If you do not consider your partner as a spouse, then you will not marry. font-style:italic">Here it is important to differentiate between two types of marriage first: Arranged marriages and Love marriages. The difference here is in ‘who is choosing the spouse’. If you let someone else choose for you, then it is considered an arranged marriage. If the decision is not out of love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have to match each others lagna. font-style:italic">In love marriages, or those of self-choice, the upapada of the spouse should match your lagna, and vice versa. Then one will consider that person as a spouse and the marriage can happen, otherwise not and the match should not be advised. font-style:italic">A big dilemma among those who have practiced this is, that it can be difficult to know whether the native is in their first, second, third, etc relationship and what is the scenario? This takes some practice. Upapada matching is a must. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 02. To what extent, do you find kuta matching pertinent in your experience? Should that be the main criterion for marriage alliance decision Vs Upapada placement ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] The point system of matching does not give a clear idea of the matching, as some of the matching techniques need not be applied initially like Yoni or Vaishya matching, which only have a very temporary function or are limited to the conjugal life. Married life doesn’t limit itself to the bedroom alone! The Matching techniques applied from the Moon and its nakshatra are more indicative of the families/communities of the bride and groom, as well as the health and karmic indications. Here it should be mentioned, that matching of characters (especially Gana matching) should be done from lagna instead of Moon. This is also useful in predictions from the natal chart alone, i.e. if a native has a Sattvic planet in lagna, then they are deva gana by nature, but if their Janmanakshatra is in a Rakshasa Gana nakshatra, then the native will be shunned by their family, and also very different from it by nature. Your family and your personality may not be the same. font-style:italic">Rajiu and Vedha matching should always be applied without fail as it not only shows the ability of one partner to protect the other, but remedies based on the relationship as well. Gotra and Varna matching need not be applied unless the couple will be working together. In this way each of the techniques should be understood first, and not just used as a point system. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 03. I have yet not understood how to observe Rasi (Bha) Kuta in matching scnerio. There are many conflicting rules in various texts. Kindly guide me to the underlying principle in it. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] This type of Kuta matching is interesting. Stri-Dirgha and Rashi kuta are similar, where the Rashi kuta has some pecularity. The stri-dirgha technique is to see whether the brides Moon is in the bright half or dark half from the grooms moon. I.e. if the grooms moon is in Taurus, then the brides Moon is well placed, if in the signs between Taurus and Scorpio (Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio). This is based on the principle of the bright and dark fortnights of the Moon. font-style:italic">This technique shows how much support is available from the grooms family/community, to support the bride. Since the bride used to leave her family to join the husbands, the support available for her is seen using this technique. Lack of support can give family disputes, monetary problems and etc. In todays world the husband may not be the sole benefactor in the family, hence this technique should be understood like this also. In many cases the brides family is a greater support to the relationship than the grooms. More below. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 04. In Nadi kuta, the matching is done as usual by nakshatra classification. Some texts also tabulate nadis by nakshatra padas. Here again, there is a lot of confusion whether the classification against nakshatra pada finally dictate ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] I was not taught Nadi/Bhuta matching, but i was told that this relates to genetics and health. I don’t think this can be substituted for other matchings. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 05. Can the Gana Kuta dosha be neglected in case of Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. I have observed that many texts agree to almost agree to ignore most of the doshas if Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. Kindly guide. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] Graha Maitri: If the panchada sambandha (of the dispositors of moon signs - shubhapati) is inauspicious, then surely the bad effects of the Stri-dirgha and Rashi kuta will manifest. Because the graha maitri shows the actual relationship between the bride and groom, this is of absolute importance! 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 06. Finally, below is the birth details of a girl. 12.0pt"> Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India 12.0pt"> Kindly indicate the rough estimate of marriage timing and oblige. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">[Visti] This girl is on her first upapada. It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. 12.0pt"> Thanks 12.0pt"> Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Dear Visti and Vijay, Hare Rama Krsna! >My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage >will be in kendra to each other. Hope this helps. Mine is an arranged marriage too, and our upapadas are in trines, so you may add that too. Kendras or trines. Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, web sites: <http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> <Dhira_ayanamsa> <http://.org/education> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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