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Dear Sh. Visti,

 

It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc.

 

Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to marital

affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

 

Regards,

 

Vijay Kumar

 

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|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and hopefully

save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am

lacking. This is but a small drop of understanding - there is

a lot more to the UL than I have yet understood. But I hope the

little I share helps.

The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and to

this world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary

for us to learn to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves,

in every way possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be

seen from the arudha of the 12th house - which is the UL. Now

perhaps it is becoming clear why this is so important for marriage.

The wisdom of the great Maharishis is truly a marvel to see.

>From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the first

person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The

spouse is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the

divine - before that same spark is seen in all and everything.

Marriage is (supposed to be) the institution where we learn, with the

spouse, the virtue of selflessness and service, before we can apply this

same learning to the entire world.

So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything

else. You will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but

for sexual (and business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be

the same. Of course, marriage also serves other purposes, like

continuation of lineage. However the spiritual purpose, I believe,

is of greater import.

I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this,

but we all have to start somewhere with understanding.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

"Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar

Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

Upapada

Dear Sh. Visti,

It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting

etc.

Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to

marital

affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

Regards,

Vijay Kumar

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Vijay,

Namaskar

Samir gave

a nice explanation, i will expand more on this.

The Upapada

is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

More

important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the twelfth house is

so important for marriage.

 

The twelfth

house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is not like the seventh

house, where the objective is merely sexual, but instead for more than sex,

namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth house is the eighth house

from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the sexual partner into a

spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the sixth from the seventh house,

i.e. upachaya.

 

But even

with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we also understand

that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also for the opposite

namely renunciation.

 

And now i

will explain the concept from the begining just with a different and more valid

viewpoint;

Upon being

born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven generations back. To

repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become married and have children and

continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2) Become a perfect renunciate (karaka

Saturn).

If we do

not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at peace. Infact some

say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will carry this debt to our

next lives.

 

Now this

debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth house, but a debt to our

creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he transits the twelve rasis, and

hence the name surya or aditya also means twelve. It is from this basis that

the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which shows our parents and grandparents

according to Parasara. It is a debt for having being created, which is seen in

the twelfth house.

 

So now we’ve

established that the twelfth house shows how we repay our debt to our ancestors

(and also the devas). This debt is repaid either through marriage or perfect

renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt is seen from the Upapada, as

this is how our debt is manifesting in the world, i.e. through the arudhas.

That is why

Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada can cause renunciation.

So the

Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same. It also shows who we

will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and hence can indicate the lagna

of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage will last in society as a marital

contract, and can also show whether such a contract was written or not for the

relationship.

 

With this

foundation, i’m sure you can appreciate the upapada more.

Best

wishes,

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Samir Shah

[a48919062 (AT) (DOT) co.uk]

29 March 2005 11:00

 

[Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Upapada

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|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and hopefully save

Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am lacking.

This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to the UL

than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps.

The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and to this

world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us to

learn to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every way

possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the arudha

of the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear why

this is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis is

truly a marvel to see.

>From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the first person

to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The spouse is

very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the divine - before

that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is (supposed to

be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue of selflessness

and service, before we can apply this same learning to the entire world.

So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything else. You

will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual (and

business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of

course, marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of

lineage. However the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import.

I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this, but we

all have to start somewhere with understanding.

With reverence to the Gurus,

Samir

"Vijay

Kumar" <v_kumar

Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

Upapada

Dear Sh.

Visti,

It is nice of you that that you responded for

Upapada fasting etc.

Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in

relation to marital

affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

Regards,

Vijay Kumar

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Dear Visti,

 

Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few

questions.

 

Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th house

is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya

peetha.

 

12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other things

or the lack off.

 

Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage)

etc.

 

Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th

house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or A12

would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as satya

peetha.

 

So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya

peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to

UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and age

can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves around

with them in society.

 

Should that be the proper reflection.

 

I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in todays

day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any

judgement.

 

If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th

house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ?

 

So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage i.e

if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then

as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing

of marriage.

 

I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic.

 

When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you.

 

Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for

timing marriage as the phal sthan ?

 

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Vijay, Namaskar

>

> Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this.

>

> The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is

also

> Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

>

> More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the

twelfth

> house is so important for marriage.

>

>

>

> The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This

is not

> like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but

instead

> for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the

twelfth house

> is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of

the

> sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the

sixth

> from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

>

>

>

> But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until

we also

> understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but

also for the

> opposite namely renunciation.

>

>

>

> And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a

different

> and more valid viewpoint;

>

> Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven

> generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1)

Become

> married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka

Jupiter). 2)

> Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn).

>

> If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at

peace.

> Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will

carry

> this debt to our next lives.

>

>

>

> Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the eighth

house,

> but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when he

transits

> the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means

twelve. It

> is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created which

shows

> our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt

for having

> being created, which is seen in the twelfth house.

>

>

>

> So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we repay

our debt

> to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either

through

> marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this debt

is seen

> from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the

world, i.e.

> through the arudhas.

>

> That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the upapada

can

> cause renunciation.

>

> So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same.

It also

> shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and

hence can

> indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage

will last

> in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such a

contract

> was written or not for the relationship.

>

>

>

> With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada more.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> Samir Shah [a48919062]

> 29 March 2005 11:00

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

>

>

>

> || Om Namah Shivaaya ||

>

> Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

>

> Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and

hopefully

> save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am

lacking.

> This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more to

the UL

> than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps.

>

> The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society and

to this

> world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for us

to learn

> to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every

way

> possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the

arudha of

> the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming clear

why this

> is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis

is truly a

> marvel to see.

>

> From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the

first

> person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return. The

spouse

> is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the

divine -

> before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage is

(supposed

> to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the virtue

of

> selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning to

the

> entire world.

>

> So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything

else. You

> will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual

(and

> business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same. Of

course,

> marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of lineage.

However

> the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import.

>

> I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this,

but we all

> have to start somewhere with understanding.

>

> With reverence to the Gurus,

>

> Samir

>

> _____

>

> "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@>

> Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

> Upapada

>

>

> Dear Sh. Visti,

>

> It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc.

>

> Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to

marital

> affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

>

> Regards,

>

> Vijay Kumar

>

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ash,

Namaskar

I need to

clarify something in your understanding.

The term;

Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a mirage. However, the

Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world. Arudha can make you a

president. Is being president an illusion or are you infact president? Truth is

that you are infact president and it is no illusion. Take a more mundane

example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is no illusion.

I have

never used the term; “illusion”, because it is very misleading for

beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating between your boss

being a boss vs. a ‘human being’ with flesh and bones. Truth/satya is

that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of becoming your boss. As

far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is real, and he is your

boss. This is the meaning of Maya.

Please

rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be clarified before answering

your questions.

Best

wishes,

***

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10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

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font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">ashsam73

[ashsam73 ]

29 March 2005 14:39

 

[Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Upapada

12.0pt">

font-family:"Courier New"">

Dear Visti,

Thanks for this post. After reading this

post of yours I got a few

questions.

Arudha is not reality but

illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th house

is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is

the focus or satya

peetha.

12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh

apart from other things

or the lack off.

Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in

property (marriage)

etc.

Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or

reflection of 7th

house matters so focus around 7th house as satya

peetha and UL or A12

would mean reflection or illusion or mount around

12th house as satya

peetha.

So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th

house as satya

peetha which indicates "partner in

property" or wife as compared to

UL or A12 which indicates "partners in

bed" and in todays day and age

can be the people one associates sexually with and

also moves around

with them in society.

Should that be the proper reflection.

I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old

post that in todays

day and age both should be carefully seen before

coming to any

judgement.

If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of

marriage then 12th

house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt

it ?

So that means that those who do not use UL for

timing of marriage i.e

if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e.

directly 7th house then

as per what you have said should now be using 12th

house for timing

of marriage.

I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to

simple logic.

When you get a chance I will look forward to

hearing from you.

Can you please explain which house of the chart is

to be used for

timing marriage as the phal sthan ?

Thanking you,

Cheers !!!

Ash

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Vijay, Namaskar

>

> Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand

more on this.

>

> The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth

house, its other name is

also

> Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

>

> More important than the pada itself, we need

to establish why the

twelfth

> house is so important for marriage.

>

>

>

> The twelfth house shows the one whom you

share your bed with. This

is not

> like the seventh house, where the objective

is merely sexual, but

instead

> for more than sex, namely the longevity of

the lineage, as the

twelfth house

> is the eighth house from the fifth house, and

also the upgrading of

the

> sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth

house is placed in the

sixth

> from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

>

>

>

> But even with the above, the concept is not

very convincing until

we also

> understand that the twelfth house is not only

for marriage, but

also for the

> opposite namely renunciation.

>

>

>

> And now i will explain the concept from the

begining just with a

different

> and more valid viewpoint;

>

> Upon being born we have earned a debt to our

ancestors upto seven

> generations back. To repay this debt we have

only 2 choices; 1)

Become

> married and have children and continue the

lineage (karaka

Jupiter). 2)

> Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn).

>

> If we do not perform either of these, our

ancestors will not be at

peace.

> Infact some say the concequences are much

more extreme, and we will

carry

> this debt to our next lives.

>

>

>

> Now this debt is not some dushta karma which

is seen in the eighth

house,

> but a debt to our creator. The creation is

caused by Surya when he

transits

> the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or

aditya also means

twelve. It

> is from this basis that the Suryamsa or

dvadasamsa is created which

shows

> our parents and grandparents according to

Parasara. It is a debt

for having

> being created, which is seen in the twelfth

house.

>

>

>

> So now we've established that the twelfth

house shows how we repay

our debt

> to our ancestors (and also the devas). This

debt is repaid either

through

> marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we

are repaying this debt

is seen

> from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is

manifesting in the

world, i.e.

> through the arudhas.

>

> That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that

malefics in the upapada

can

> cause renunciation.

>

> So the Upapada shows either our marriage or

the lack of the same.

It also

> shows who we will choose to marry (if the

choice is ours), and

hence can

> indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows

how long the marriage

will last

> in society as a marital contract, and can

also show whether such a

contract

> was written or not for the relationship.

>

>

>

> With this foundation, i'm sure you can

appreciate the upapada more.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...>

visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com &

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> Samir Shah [a48919062]

> 29 March 2005 11:00

>

> [Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Upapada

>

>

>

> || Om Namah

Shivaaya ||

>

> Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

>

> Let me try to share some of my understanding

about the UL - and

hopefully

> save Vistiji some time. I hope I will

be corrected where I am

lacking.

> This is but a small drop of

understanding - there is a lot more to

the UL

> than I have yet understood. But I hope

the little I share helps.

>

> The 12th house, among other things, shows our

giving to society and

to this

> world. As part of our spiritual

development it is necessary for us

to learn

> to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of

ourselves, in every

way

> possible. Now the person(s) to whom we

give can be seen from the

arudha of

> the 12th house - which is the UL. Now

perhaps it is becoming clear

why this

> is so important for marriage. The

wisdom of the great Maharishis

is truly a

> marvel to see.

>

> From the vedic perspective, as I understand

it, the spouse is the

first

> person to whom we learn to give without

expectation of return. The

spouse

> is very often the person in whom we first see

the spark of the

divine -

> before that same spark is seen in all and

everything. Marriage is

(supposed

> to be) the institution where we learn, with

the spouse, the virtue

of

> selflessness and service, before we can apply

this same learning to

the

> entire world.

>

> So marriage is a step on the spiritual path,

more than anything

else. You

> will notice that the A7 is not used for

marriage - but for sexual

(and

> business) partners. Hence the two do

not have to be the same. Of

course,

> marriage also serves other purposes, like

continuation of lineage.

However

> the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of

greater import.

>

> I hope this helps somewhat. There is a

lot more to it than this,

but we all

> have to start somewhere with understanding.

>

> With reverence to the Gurus,

>

> Samir

>

> _____

>

> "Vijay Kumar"

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> Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

> Upapada

>

>

> Dear Sh. Visti,

>

> It is nice of you that that you responded for

Upapada fasting etc.

>

> Kindly tell me what is the relevance of

Upapada in relation to

marital

> affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

>

> Regards,

>

> Vijay Kumar

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Dear Visti,

Say becoming a president or say studying the status, authority,

responsibility is 10th house matter i.e. physical 10th house of the

chart. That is the truth. Satya Peetha.

 

Now you are casting an Arudha of it. I beleive it means Mount.

Reflection of it. I shall keep the word illusion aside as you said

it is not a proper indication of the word Arudha.

 

Now you are studying A10 in referece to 10th house of the chart.

 

So studying Reflection of the truth. Reflection means how people

perceive it.

 

I will stop here and see if we are on the same page.

 

Assume :

 

10th house = Native is made the President

A10 = Perception of people of the president.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Ash, Namaskar

>

> I need to clarify something in your understanding.

>

> The term; Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a

mirage.

> However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world.

Arudha can

> make you a president. Is being president an illusion or are you

infact

> president? Truth is that you are infact president and it is no

illusion.

> Take a more mundane example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is no

> illusion.

>

> I have never used the term; "illusion", because it is very

misleading for

> beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating

between your

> boss being a boss vs. a 'human being' with flesh and bones.

Truth/satya is

> that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of becoming

your

> boss. As far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is

real, and

> he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya.

>

> Please rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be

clarified before

> answering your questions.

>

> Best wishes,

>

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> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> 29 March 2005 14:39

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

>

>

>

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a few

> questions.

>

> Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th

house

> is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya

> peetha.

>

> 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other

things

> or the lack off.

>

> Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property (marriage)

> etc.

>

> Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of 7th

> house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or

A12

> would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as

satya

> peetha.

>

> So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya

> peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared to

> UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and

age

> can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves

around

> with them in society.

>

> Should that be the proper reflection.

>

> I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in

todays

> day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any

> judgement.

>

> If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then 12th

> house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ?

>

> So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage

i.e

> if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house then

> as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for timing

> of marriage.

>

> I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic.

>

> When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you.

>

> Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for

> timing marriage as the phal sthan ?

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Vijay, Namaskar

> >

> > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this.

> >

> > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is

> also

> > Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

> >

> > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the

> twelfth

> > house is so important for marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with.

This

> is not

> > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but

> instead

> > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the

> twelfth house

> > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading

of

> the

> > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in

the

> sixth

> > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

> >

> >

> >

> > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until

> we also

> > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but

> also for the

> > opposite namely renunciation.

> >

> >

> >

> > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a

> different

> > and more valid viewpoint;

> >

> > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven

> > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1)

> Become

> > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka

> Jupiter). 2)

> > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn).

> >

> > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be

at

> peace.

> > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we

will

> carry

> > this debt to our next lives.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the

eighth

> house,

> > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when

he

> transits

> > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means

> twelve. It

> > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created

which

> shows

> > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a debt

> for having

> > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we

repay

> our debt

> > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid either

> through

> > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this

debt

> is seen

> > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the

> world, i.e.

> > through the arudhas.

> >

> > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the

upapada

> can

> > cause renunciation.

> >

> > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the same.

> It also

> > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and

> hence can

> > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the marriage

> will last

> > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether such

a

> contract

> > was written or not for the relationship.

> >

> >

> >

> > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada

more.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

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> >

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> > Samir Shah [a48919062]

> > 29 March 2005 11:00

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

> >

> >

> >

> > || Om Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> > Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

> >

> > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and

> hopefully

> > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am

> lacking.

> > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot more

to

> the UL

> > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share helps.

> >

> > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society

and

> to this

> > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary for

us

> to learn

> > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in every

> way

> > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from the

> arudha of

> > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming

clear

> why this

> > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great Maharishis

> is truly a

> > marvel to see.

> >

> > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is the

> first

> > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return.

The

> spouse

> > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the

> divine -

> > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage

is

> (supposed

> > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the

virtue

> of

> > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same learning

to

> the

> > entire world.

> >

> > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything

> else. You

> > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for sexual

> (and

> > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same.

Of

> course,

> > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of

lineage.

> However

> > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import.

> >

> > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than this,

> but we all

> > have to start somewhere with understanding.

> >

> > With reverence to the Gurus,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > _____

> >

> > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@>

> > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

> > Upapada

> >

> >

> > Dear Sh. Visti,

> >

> > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting etc.

> >

> > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to

> marital

> > affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Vijay Kumar

> >

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ash,

Namaskar

“Satya

Peetha” means “seat of truth”.

Now you

have used the term ‘perception’. Perception is oppinionated, but an

arudha is manifest.

Example:

The president signs a contract to confirm his presidency, it is manifested and

hence is an arudha. But the truth is that this is just a piece of paper and the

person has two hands and is doing something for other people.

 

The 10th

house shows what you are working with and how you work, but your status is

actually seen from the A10. That is why it is called Rajyapada. So two

politicians will work with the same – the work they do is the truth of

the tenth house, but one will have a higher status based on the arudha.

 

Arudha does

show mount. You are standing on that mount. Status is all about arudha.

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Guru] Re: Upapada

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Dear Visti,

Say becoming a president or say studying the

status, authority,

responsibility is 10th house matter i.e. physical

10th house of the

chart. That is the truth. Satya

Peetha.

Now you are casting an Arudha of it. I

beleive it means Mount.

Reflection of it. I shall keep the word

illusion aside as you said

it is not a proper indication of the word

Arudha.

Now you are studying A10 in referece to 10th house

of the chart.

So studying Reflection of the truth.

Reflection means how people

perceive it.

I will stop here and see if we are on the same

page.

Assume :

10th house = Native is made the President

A10 = Perception of people of the president.

Cheers !!!

Ash

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Ash, Namaskar

>

> I need to clarify something in your

understanding.

>

> The term; Illusion implies that something is

imaginary like a

mirage.

> However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the

manifested world.

Arudha can

> make you a president. Is being president an

illusion or are you

infact

> president? Truth is that you are infact

president and it is no

illusion.

> Take a more mundane example; your boss is

indeed your boss, it is no

> illusion.

>

> I have never used the term;

"illusion", because it is very

misleading for

> beginners. The illusion comes when you start

differentiating

between your

> boss being a boss vs. a 'human being' with

flesh and bones.

Truth/satya is

> that he is merely a human being, who has

taken the role of becoming

your

> boss. As far as the material world is

concerned, the illusion is

real, and

> he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya.

>

> Please rethink this and get back to me, i

wanted this to be

clarified before

> answering your questions.

>

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>

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> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> 29 March 2005 14:39

>

> [Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Upapada

>

>

>

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> Thanks for this post. After reading

this post of yours I got a few

> questions.

>

> Arudha is not reality but

illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th

house

> is the illusion of 12th house. 12th

house is the focus or satya

> peetha.

>

> 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh

apart from other

things

> or the lack off.

>

> Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners

in property (marriage)

> etc.

>

> Now logically A7 would mean arudha or

illusion or reflection of 7th

> house matters so focus around 7th house as

satya peetha and UL or

A12

> would mean reflection or illusion or mount

around 12th house as

satya

> peetha.

>

> So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things

about 7th house as satya

> peetha which indicates "partner in

property" or wife as compared to

> UL or A12 which indicates "partners in

bed" and in todays day and

age

> can be the people one associates sexually

with and also moves

around

> with them in society.

>

> Should that be the proper reflection.

>

> I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very

old post that in

todays

> day and age both should be carefully seen

before coming to any

> judgement.

>

> If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection

of marriage then 12th

> house should be the satya peetha for wife

shouldnt it ?

>

> So that means that those who do not use UL

for timing of marriage

i.e

> if one uses satya peetha for marriage

i.e. directly 7th house then

> as per what you have said should now be using

12th house for timing

> of marriage.

>

> I am keeping aside philosophy and just

adhering to simple logic.

>

> When you get a chance I will look forward to

hearing from you.

>

> Can you please explain which house of the

chart is to be used for

> timing marriage as the phal sthan ?

>

> Thanking you,

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

>

> ,

"Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Vijay, Namaskar

> >

> > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will

expand more on this.

> >

> > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth

house, its other name is

> also

> > Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

> >

> > More important than the pada itself, we

need to establish why the

> twelfth

> > house is so important for marriage.

> >

> >

> >

> > The twelfth house shows the one whom you

share your bed with.

This

> is not

> > like the seventh house, where the

objective is merely sexual, but

> instead

> > for more than sex, namely the longevity

of the lineage, as the

> twelfth house

> > is the eighth house from the fifth

house, and also the upgrading

of

> the

> > sexual partner into a spouse, as the

twelfth house is placed in

the

> sixth

> > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

> >

> >

> >

> > But even with the above, the concept is

not very convincing until

> we also

> > understand that the twelfth house is not

only for marriage, but

> also for the

> > opposite namely renunciation.

> >

> >

> >

> > And now i will explain the concept from

the begining just with a

> different

> > and more valid viewpoint;

> >

> > Upon being born we have earned a debt to

our ancestors upto seven

> > generations back. To repay this debt we

have only 2 choices; 1)

> Become

> > married and have children and continue

the lineage (karaka

> Jupiter). 2)

> > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka

Saturn).

> >

> > If we do not perform either of these,

our ancestors will not be

at

> peace.

> > Infact some say the concequences are

much more extreme, and we

will

> carry

> > this debt to our next lives.

> >

> >

> >

> > Now this debt is not some dushta karma

which is seen in the

eighth

> house,

> > but a debt to our creator. The creation

is caused by Surya when

he

> transits

> > the twelve rasis, and hence the name

surya or aditya also means

> twelve. It

> > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or

dvadasamsa is created

which

> shows

> > our parents and grandparents according

to Parasara. It is a debt

> for having

> > being created, which is seen in the

twelfth house.

> >

> >

> >

> > So now we've established that the

twelfth house shows how we

repay

> our debt

> > to our ancestors (and also the devas).

This debt is repaid either

> through

> > marriage or perfect renunciation, and

how we are repaying this

debt

> is seen

> > from the Upapada, as this is how our

debt is manifesting in the

> world, i.e.

> > through the arudhas.

> >

> > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state

that malefics in the

upapada

> can

> > cause renunciation.

> >

> > So the Upapada shows either our marriage

or the lack of the same.

> It also

> > shows who we will choose to marry (if

the choice is ours), and

> hence can

> > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It

shows how long the marriage

> will last

> > in society as a marital contract, and

can also show whether such

a

> contract

> > was written or not for the relationship.

> >

> >

> >

> > With this foundation, i'm sure you can

appreciate the upapada

more.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > Email: <visti@s...>

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> >

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> >

> > Samir Shah [a48919062]

> > 29 March 2005 11:00

> >

> > [Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Upapada

> >

> >

> >

> > || Om

Namah Shivaaya ||

> >

> > Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

> >

> > Let me try to share some of my

understanding about the UL - and

> hopefully

> > save Vistiji some time. I hope I

will be corrected where I am

> lacking.

> > This is but a small drop of

understanding - there is a lot more

to

> the UL

> > than I have yet understood. But I

hope the little I share helps.

> >

> > The 12th house, among other things,

shows our giving to society

and

> to this

> > world. As part of our spiritual

development it is necessary for

us

> to learn

> > to dissolve selfish desire and give

freely of ourselves, in every

> way

> > possible. Now the person(s) to

whom we give can be seen from the

> arudha of

> > the 12th house - which is the UL.

Now perhaps it is becoming

clear

> why this

> > is so important for marriage. The

wisdom of the great Maharishis

> is truly a

> > marvel to see.

> >

> > From the vedic perspective, as I

understand it, the spouse is the

> first

> > person to whom we learn to give without

expectation of return.

The

> spouse

> > is very often the person in whom we

first see the spark of the

> divine -

> > before that same spark is seen in all

and everything. Marriage

is

> (supposed

> > to be) the institution where we learn,

with the spouse, the

virtue

> of

> > selflessness and service, before we can

apply this same learning

to

> the

> > entire world.

> >

> > So marriage is a step on the spiritual

path, more than anything

> else. You

> > will notice that the A7 is not used for

marriage - but for sexual

> (and

> > business) partners. Hence the two

do not have to be the same.

Of

> course,

> > marriage also serves other purposes,

like continuation of

lineage.

> However

> > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of

greater import.

> >

> > I hope this helps somewhat. There

is a lot more to it than this,

> but we all

> > have to start somewhere with

understanding.

> >

> > With reverence to the Gurus,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> > _____

> >

> > "Vijay Kumar"

<v_kumar@>

> > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

> > Upapada

> >

> >

> > Dear Sh. Visti,

> >

> > It is nice of you that that you

responded for Upapada fasting etc.

> >

> > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of

Upapada in relation to

> marital

> > affairs. Pl takeup this matter in

detail.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

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Dear Visti,

Thanks for your time and answer. I have some more questions but I

shall ask after giving it some more thought.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Ash, Namaskar

>

> "Satya Peetha" means "seat of truth".

>

> Now you have used the term 'perception'. Perception is

oppinionated, but an

> arudha is manifest.

>

> Example: The president signs a contract to confirm his presidency,

it is

> manifested and hence is an arudha. But the truth is that this is

just a

> piece of paper and the person has two hands and is doing something

for other

> people.

>

>

>

> The 10th house shows what you are working with and how you work,

but your

> status is actually seen from the A10. That is why it is called

Rajyapada. So

> two politicians will work with the same - the work they do is the

truth of

> the tenth house, but one will have a higher status based on the

arudha.

>

>

>

> Arudha does show mount. You are standing on that mount. Status is

all about

> arudha.

>

> Best wishes,

>

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> ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> 29 March 2005 15:30

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

>

>

>

>

> Dear Visti,

> Say becoming a president or say studying the status, authority,

> responsibility is 10th house matter i.e. physical 10th house of the

> chart. That is the truth. Satya Peetha.

>

> Now you are casting an Arudha of it. I beleive it means Mount.

> Reflection of it. I shall keep the word illusion aside as you said

> it is not a proper indication of the word Arudha.

>

> Now you are studying A10 in referece to 10th house of the chart.

>

> So studying Reflection of the truth. Reflection means how people

> perceive it.

>

> I will stop here and see if we are on the same page.

>

> Assume :

>

> 10th house = Native is made the President

> A10 = Perception of people of the president.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash

>

> , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Ash, Namaskar

> >

> > I need to clarify something in your understanding.

> >

> > The term; Illusion implies that something is imaginary like a

> mirage.

> > However, the Arudhas are not illusions to the manifested world.

> Arudha can

> > make you a president. Is being president an illusion or are you

> infact

> > president? Truth is that you are infact president and it is no

> illusion.

> > Take a more mundane example; your boss is indeed your boss, it is

no

> > illusion.

> >

> > I have never used the term; "illusion", because it is very

> misleading for

> > beginners. The illusion comes when you start differentiating

> between your

> > boss being a boss vs. a 'human being' with flesh and bones.

> Truth/satya is

> > that he is merely a human being, who has taken the role of

becoming

> your

> > boss. As far as the material world is concerned, the illusion is

> real, and

> > he is your boss. This is the meaning of Maya.

> >

> > Please rethink this and get back to me, i wanted this to be

> clarified before

> > answering your questions.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

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> >

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> > ashsam73 [ashsam73]

> > 29 March 2005 14:39

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > Thanks for this post. After reading this post of yours I got a

few

> > questions.

> >

> > Arudha is not reality but illusion/reflection. Arudha of 12th

> house

> > is the illusion of 12th house. 12th house is the focus or satya

> > peetha.

> >

> > 12th house is that of bed pleasures and moksh apart from other

> things

> > or the lack off.

> >

> > Now 7th house is that of dincharya, partners in property

(marriage)

> > etc.

> >

> > Now logically A7 would mean arudha or illusion or reflection of

7th

> > house matters so focus around 7th house as satya peetha and UL or

> A12

> > would mean reflection or illusion or mount around 12th house as

> satya

> > peetha.

> >

> > So logically shouldnt A7 indicate things about 7th house as satya

> > peetha which indicates "partner in property" or wife as compared

to

> > UL or A12 which indicates "partners in bed" and in todays day and

> age

> > can be the people one associates sexually with and also moves

> around

> > with them in society.

> >

> > Should that be the proper reflection.

> >

> > I also remember Sanjayji saying in some very old post that in

> todays

> > day and age both should be carefully seen before coming to any

> > judgement.

> >

> > If UL is for wife or to judge the reflection of marriage then

12th

> > house should be the satya peetha for wife shouldnt it ?

> >

> > So that means that those who do not use UL for timing of marriage

> i.e

> > if one uses satya peetha for marriage i.e. directly 7th house

then

> > as per what you have said should now be using 12th house for

timing

> > of marriage.

> >

> > I am keeping aside philosophy and just adhering to simple logic.

> >

> > When you get a chance I will look forward to hearing from you.

> >

> > Can you please explain which house of the chart is to be used for

> > timing marriage as the phal sthan ?

> >

> > Thanking you,

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash

> >

> >

> > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar

> > >

> > > Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this.

> > >

> > > The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name

is

> > also

> > > Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

> > >

> > > More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why

the

> > twelfth

> > > house is so important for marriage.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with.

> This

> > is not

> > > like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual,

but

> > instead

> > > for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the

> > twelfth house

> > > is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the

upgrading

> of

> > the

> > > sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in

> the

> > sixth

> > > from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing

until

> > we also

> > > understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but

> > also for the

> > > opposite namely renunciation.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with

a

> > different

> > > and more valid viewpoint;

> > >

> > > Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto

seven

> > > generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1)

> > Become

> > > married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka

> > Jupiter). 2)

> > > Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn).

> > >

> > > If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be

> at

> > peace.

> > > Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we

> will

> > carry

> > > this debt to our next lives.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Now this debt is not some dushta karma which is seen in the

> eighth

> > house,

> > > but a debt to our creator. The creation is caused by Surya when

> he

> > transits

> > > the twelve rasis, and hence the name surya or aditya also means

> > twelve. It

> > > is from this basis that the Suryamsa or dvadasamsa is created

> which

> > shows

> > > our parents and grandparents according to Parasara. It is a

debt

> > for having

> > > being created, which is seen in the twelfth house.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > So now we've established that the twelfth house shows how we

> repay

> > our debt

> > > to our ancestors (and also the devas). This debt is repaid

either

> > through

> > > marriage or perfect renunciation, and how we are repaying this

> debt

> > is seen

> > > from the Upapada, as this is how our debt is manifesting in the

> > world, i.e.

> > > through the arudhas.

> > >

> > > That is why Parasara and Jaimini state that malefics in the

> upapada

> > can

> > > cause renunciation.

> > >

> > > So the Upapada shows either our marriage or the lack of the

same.

> > It also

> > > shows who we will choose to marry (if the choice is ours), and

> > hence can

> > > indicate the lagna of the spouse. It shows how long the

marriage

> > will last

> > > in society as a marital contract, and can also show whether

such

> a

> > contract

> > > was written or not for the relationship.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > With this foundation, i'm sure you can appreciate the upapada

> more.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

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> > >

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> > > Samir Shah [a48919062]

> > > 29 March 2005 11:00

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > || Om Namah Shivaaya ||

> > >

> > > Dear Vijay, Namaskar,

> > >

> > > Let me try to share some of my understanding about the UL - and

> > hopefully

> > > save Vistiji some time. I hope I will be corrected where I am

> > lacking.

> > > This is but a small drop of understanding - there is a lot

more

> to

> > the UL

> > > than I have yet understood. But I hope the little I share

helps.

> > >

> > > The 12th house, among other things, shows our giving to society

> and

> > to this

> > > world. As part of our spiritual development it is necessary

for

> us

> > to learn

> > > to dissolve selfish desire and give freely of ourselves, in

every

> > way

> > > possible. Now the person(s) to whom we give can be seen from

the

> > arudha of

> > > the 12th house - which is the UL. Now perhaps it is becoming

> clear

> > why this

> > > is so important for marriage. The wisdom of the great

Maharishis

> > is truly a

> > > marvel to see.

> > >

> > > From the vedic perspective, as I understand it, the spouse is

the

> > first

> > > person to whom we learn to give without expectation of return.

> The

> > spouse

> > > is very often the person in whom we first see the spark of the

> > divine -

> > > before that same spark is seen in all and everything. Marriage

> is

> > (supposed

> > > to be) the institution where we learn, with the spouse, the

> virtue

> > of

> > > selflessness and service, before we can apply this same

learning

> to

> > the

> > > entire world.

> > >

> > > So marriage is a step on the spiritual path, more than anything

> > else. You

> > > will notice that the A7 is not used for marriage - but for

sexual

> > (and

> > > business) partners. Hence the two do not have to be the same.

> Of

> > course,

> > > marriage also serves other purposes, like continuation of

> lineage.

> > However

> > > the spiritual purpose, I believe, is of greater import.

> > >

> > > I hope this helps somewhat. There is a lot more to it than

this,

> > but we all

> > > have to start somewhere with understanding.

> > >

> > > With reverence to the Gurus,

> > >

> > > Samir

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > "Vijay Kumar" <v_kumar@>

> > > Tue Mar 29, 2005 5:17 am

> > > Upapada

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sh. Visti,

> > >

> > > It is nice of you that that you responded for Upapada fasting

etc.

> > >

> > > Kindly tell me what is the relevance of Upapada in relation to

> > marital

> > > affairs. Pl takeup this matter in detail.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Vijay Kumar

> > >

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|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

 

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar,

 

Thank you for that enlightening exchange. I need to read it a few times to

absorb everything.

 

I have read a bit about the Surya Upapada (what we give to the supersoul?)

and Chandra Upapada (what we give to society?). But I'm now very confused

about the distinction between each of these - and what they each mean.

 

If you consider it worthwhile, could you kindly give me some insight into

these?

 

Pranaam,

 

Samir

 

 

>______________________

>

>Message: 11

> Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:15:32 +0200

> "Visti Larsen"

>

<<http://uk.f250.mail./ym/Compose?To=visti (AT) (DOT) org&YY=10077∨\

der=down&sort=date&pos=0>visti

>RE: Re: Upapada

>

>||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

>Dear Vijay, Namaskar

>

>Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this.

>

>The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also

>Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

>

>More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the

>twelfth

>house is so important for marriage.

>

>

>

>The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is

>not

>like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but

>instead

>for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth

>house

>is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the

>sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the

>sixth

>from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

>

>

>

>But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we

>also

>understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also

>for the

>opposite namely renunciation.

>

>

>

>And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a

>different

>and more valid viewpoint;

>

>Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven

>generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become

>married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2)

>Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn).

>

>If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at

>peace.

>Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will

>carry

>this debt to our next lives.

>

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Dear Samir,

 

Chandra Upapada tell us where our mind is going to in life, and where

we go after death. If You read Bhagavad Gita You will know this

connections.

 

with regards,

Rafal

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Dear Samir, Namaskar

Moon is pitris and Sun is devas. You can gather the rest.

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30 March 2005 08:20

 

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Upapada

 

|| Om Namah Shivaaya ||

 

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar,

 

Thank you for that enlightening exchange. I need to read it a few times to

absorb everything.

 

I have read a bit about the Surya Upapada (what we give to the supersoul?)

and Chandra Upapada (what we give to society?). But I'm now very confused

about the distinction between each of these - and what they each mean.

 

If you consider it worthwhile, could you kindly give me some insight into

these?

 

Pranaam,

 

Samir

 

 

>______________________

>

>Message: 11

> Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:15:32 +0200

> "Visti Larsen"

>

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7&order=down&sort=date&pos=0>visti

>RE: Re: Upapada

>

>||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

>Dear Vijay, Namaskar

>

>Samir gave a nice explanation, i will expand more on this.

>

>The Upapada is the arudha of the twelfth house, its other name is also

>Gaunapada or Vyayapada.

>

>More important than the pada itself, we need to establish why the

>twelfth

>house is so important for marriage.

>

>

>

>The twelfth house shows the one whom you share your bed with. This is

>not

>like the seventh house, where the objective is merely sexual, but

>instead

>for more than sex, namely the longevity of the lineage, as the twelfth

>house

>is the eighth house from the fifth house, and also the upgrading of the

>sexual partner into a spouse, as the twelfth house is placed in the

>sixth

>from the seventh house, i.e. upachaya.

>

>

>

>But even with the above, the concept is not very convincing until we

>also

>understand that the twelfth house is not only for marriage, but also

>for the

>opposite namely renunciation.

>

>

>

>And now i will explain the concept from the begining just with a

>different

>and more valid viewpoint;

>

>Upon being born we have earned a debt to our ancestors upto seven

>generations back. To repay this debt we have only 2 choices; 1) Become

>married and have children and continue the lineage (karaka Jupiter). 2)

>Become a perfect renunciate (karaka Saturn).

>

>If we do not perform either of these, our ancestors will not be at

>peace.

>Infact some say the concequences are much more extreme, and we will

>carry

>this debt to our next lives.

>

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Vijay,

Namaskar

Answers

below. I’ve cc’ed this to the group.

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Dear Sh. Visti,

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I am

trying to send this mail since 2 days to the list but in vain as it is

bouncing, hence am sending on your

personal

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font-style:italic">[Visti] I checked your status, but don’t see why you

are bouncing, though it does indicate that you are. I have given you ‘unmoderated’

status on the list now, so there should be no problem.

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Thanks for a lot of

wisdom shared to the group. I have the request to guide me for the

following matters and oblige.

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font-style:italic">[Visti] Your welcome.

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01. For a

person to finalise the match for marriage out of many proposals in

hand, what considerations should be

observed in

terms of the mutual placement of Upapada of the proposed match ?

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font-style:italic">[Visti] Upapada matching is a different scenario. This shows

WHO you consider as your spouse. If you do not consider your partner as a

spouse, then you will not marry.

font-style:italic">Here it is important to differentiate between two types of

marriage first: Arranged marriages and Love marriages. The difference here is

in ‘who is choosing the spouse’. If you let someone else choose for

you, then it is considered an arranged marriage. If the decision is not out of

love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the

couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do

not have to match each others lagna.

font-style:italic">In love marriages, or those of self-choice, the upapada of

the spouse should match your lagna, and vice versa. Then one will consider that

person as a spouse and the marriage can happen, otherwise not and the match should

not be advised.

font-style:italic">A big dilemma among those who have practiced this is, that it

can be difficult to know whether the native is in their first, second, third,

etc relationship and what is the scenario? This takes some practice.

Upapada matching is a must.

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02. To what

extent, do you find kuta matching pertinent in your experience?

Should that be the main criterion for

marriage alliance decision Vs Upapada placement ?

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font-style:italic">[Visti] The point system of matching does not give a clear

idea of the matching, as some of the matching techniques need not be applied

initially like Yoni or Vaishya matching, which only have a very temporary

function or are limited to the conjugal life. Married life doesn’t limit

itself to the bedroom alone! The Matching techniques applied from the Moon and

its nakshatra are more indicative of the families/communities of the bride and

groom, as well as the health and karmic indications. Here it should be

mentioned, that matching of characters (especially Gana matching) should be

done from lagna instead of Moon. This is also useful in predictions from the

natal chart alone, i.e. if a native has a Sattvic planet in lagna, then they

are deva gana by nature, but if their Janmanakshatra is in a Rakshasa Gana

nakshatra, then the native will be shunned by their family, and also very

different from it by nature. Your family and your personality may not be the

same.

font-style:italic">Rajiu and Vedha matching should always be applied without

fail as it not only shows the ability of one partner to protect the other, but

remedies based on the relationship as well. Gotra and Varna matching need not be applied unless the

couple will be working together. In this way each of the techniques should be

understood first, and not just used as a point system.

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03. I have yet

not understood how to observe Rasi (Bha) Kuta in matching scnerio. There are

many conflicting rules

in

various texts. Kindly guide me to the underlying principle in it.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] This type of Kuta matching is interesting. Stri-Dirgha

and Rashi kuta are similar, where the Rashi kuta has some pecularity. The stri-dirgha

technique is to see whether the brides Moon is in the bright half or dark

half from the grooms moon. I.e. if the grooms moon is in Taurus, then the

brides Moon is well placed, if in the signs between Taurus and Scorpio (Taurus,

Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio). This is based on the principle

of the bright and dark fortnights of the Moon.

font-style:italic">This technique shows how much support is available from the

grooms family/community, to support the bride. Since the bride used to leave

her family to join the husbands, the support available for her is seen using

this technique. Lack of support can give family disputes, monetary problems and

etc. In todays world the husband may not be the sole benefactor in the family,

hence this technique should be understood like this also. In many cases the brides

family is a greater support to the relationship than the grooms. More below.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

04. In

Nadi kuta, the matching is done as usual by nakshatra classification.

Some texts also tabulate nadis by

nakshatra padas. Here again, there is a lot of confusion whether the

classification against nakshatra pada

finally dictate ?

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] I was not taught Nadi/Bhuta matching, but i was told

that this relates to genetics and health. I don’t think this can be

substituted for other matchings.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

05. Can the Gana

Kuta dosha be neglected in case of Graha-maitri and Nadi's are

matched. I have observed that

many texts agree to almost agree to ignore most of the

doshas if Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. Kindly

guide.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] Graha Maitri: If the panchada sambandha (of

the dispositors of moon signs - shubhapati) is inauspicious, then surely the

bad effects of the Stri-dirgha and Rashi kuta will manifest. Because the graha

maitri shows the actual relationship between the bride and groom, this is of

absolute importance!

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

06.

Finally, below is the birth details of a girl.

12.0pt">

Dr. Neelanjana Saxena

18-08-1978

03:26 Hrs IST

Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India

12.0pt">

Kindly indicate the rough estimate of marriage timing and oblige.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] This girl is on her first upapada. It will be an

arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. The current

time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very

soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. The transit of Jupiter

into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Advise

the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker.

12.0pt">

Thanks

12.0pt">

Vijay Kumar

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Dear Sh Visti,

 

Thanks for a very detailed reply. I am obliged for your kind help.

 

A few doubts which have arisen as follows.

 

You said If the decision is not out of love, we consider this an arranged

marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple will match each other, i.e.

both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have to match each others lagna.

 

Is it essential that the partners who are destined to marry have the Upapada

matched to the same sign ? If not so, what are the mutual placements of Upapada

between the partners in case of arranged marriages ?

 

I hail from India and most of the marriages are arranged by parents here, but if

the upapada has to be the same sign in all/most cases, it looks to be little

difficult statistically.

 

Infact, I am searching a solution with the help of which, the parents could

filter out the proposals taking stock of Upapada matching.

 

Kindly elaborate. Your wisdom shall be very helpful to all.

 

Thanks again for your kind efforts,

 

Vijay Kumar

 

-

Visti Larsen

'Vijay Kumar'

Cc:

Friday, December 09, 2005 4:11 PM

[Om Krishna Guru] RE: Upapada

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Vijay, Namaskar

Answers below. I’ve cc’ed this to the group.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 08 December 2005

13:03Visti LarsenUpapada

 

Dear Sh. Visti,

 

I am trying to send this mail since 2 days to the list but in vain as it is

bouncing, hence am sending on your

personal mail id.

 

[Visti] I checked your status, but don’t see why you are bouncing, though it

does indicate that you are. I have given you ‘unmoderated’ status on the list

now, so there should be no problem.

 

Thanks for a lot of wisdom shared to the group. I have the request to guide me

for the following matters and oblige.

 

[Visti] Your welcome.

 

01. For a person to finalise the match for marriage out of many proposals in

hand, what considerations should be

observed in terms of the mutual placement of Upapada of the proposed match

?

 

[Visti] Upapada matching is a different scenario. This shows WHO you consider as

your spouse. If you do not consider your partner as a spouse, then you will not

marry.

Here it is important to differentiate between two types of marriage first:

Arranged marriages and Love marriages. The difference here is in ‘who is

choosing the spouse’. If you let someone else choose for you, then it is

considered an arranged marriage. If the decision is not out of love, we

consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the couple

will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do not have

to match each others lagna.

In love marriages, or those of self-choice, the upapada of the spouse should

match your lagna, and vice versa. Then one will consider that person as a

spouse and the marriage can happen, otherwise not and the match should not be

advised.

A big dilemma among those who have practiced this is, that it can be difficult

to know whether the native is in their first, second, third, etc relationship

and what is the scenario? This takes some practice. Upapada matching is a must.

 

02. To what extent, do you find kuta matching pertinent in your experience?

Should that be the main criterion for

marriage alliance decision Vs Upapada placement ?

 

[Visti] The point system of matching does not give a clear idea of the matching,

as some of the matching techniques need not be applied initially like Yoni or

Vaishya matching, which only have a very temporary function or are limited to

the conjugal life. Married life doesn’t limit itself to the bedroom alone! The

Matching techniques applied from the Moon and its nakshatra are more indicative

of the families/communities of the bride and groom, as well as the health and

karmic indications. Here it should be mentioned, that matching of characters

(especially Gana matching) should be done from lagna instead of Moon. This is

also useful in predictions from the natal chart alone, i.e. if a native has a

Sattvic planet in lagna, then they are deva gana by nature, but if their

Janmanakshatra is in a Rakshasa Gana nakshatra, then the native will be shunned

by their family, and also very different from it by nature. Your family and your

personality may not be the same.

Rajiu and Vedha matching should always be applied without fail as it not only

shows the ability of one partner to protect the other, but remedies based on

the relationship as well. Gotra and Varna matching need not be applied unless

the couple will be working together. In this way each of the techniques should

be understood first, and not just used as a point system.

 

03. I have yet not understood how to observe Rasi (Bha) Kuta in matching

scnerio. There are many conflicting rules

in various texts. Kindly guide me to the underlying principle in it.

 

[Visti] This type of Kuta matching is interesting. Stri-Dirgha and Rashi kuta

are similar, where the Rashi kuta has some pecularity. The stri-dirgha

technique is to see whether the brides Moon is in the bright half or dark half

from the grooms moon. I.e. if the grooms moon is in Taurus, then the brides

Moon is well placed, if in the signs between Taurus and Scorpio (Taurus,

Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio). This is based on the principle

of the bright and dark fortnights of the Moon.

This technique shows how much support is available from the grooms

family/community, to support the bride. Since the bride used to leave her

family to join the husbands, the support available for her is seen using this

technique. Lack of support can give family disputes, monetary problems and etc.

In todays world the husband may not be the sole benefactor in the family, hence

this technique should be understood like this also. In many cases the brides

family is a greater support to the relationship than the grooms. More below.

 

04. In Nadi kuta, the matching is done as usual by nakshatra classification.

Some texts also tabulate nadis by

nakshatra padas. Here again, there is a lot of confusion whether the

classification against nakshatra pada

finally dictate ?

 

[Visti] I was not taught Nadi/Bhuta matching, but i was told that this relates

to genetics and health. I don’t think this can be substituted for other

matchings.

 

05. Can the Gana Kuta dosha be neglected in case of Graha-maitri and Nadi's are

matched. I have observed that

many texts agree to almost agree to ignore most of the doshas if

Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. Kindly

guide.

 

[Visti] Graha Maitri: If the panchada sambandha (of the dispositors of moon

signs - shubhapati) is inauspicious, then surely the bad effects of the

Stri-dirgha and Rashi kuta will manifest. Because the graha maitri shows the

actual relationship between the bride and groom, this is of absolute

importance!

 

06. Finally, below is the birth details of a girl.

 

Dr. Neelanjana Saxena

18-08-1978

03:26 Hrs IST

Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India

 

Kindly indicate the rough estimate of marriage timing and oblige.

 

[Visti] This girl is on her first upapada. It will be an arranged marriage, due

to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. The current time is looking very

strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the

next year, based on the dasas. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next

summer should be planned as the marriage time. Advise the girl to fast on

Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker.

 

Thanks

 

Vijay Kumar

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Vijay,

Namaskar

My

experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage will be

in kendra to each other. Hope this helps.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and

articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> or http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Vijay Kumar

[v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in]

09 December 2005 12:28

 

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] RE: Upapada

12.0pt">

font-family:Arial">Dear Sh Visti,

12.0pt">

font-family:Arial">Thanks for a very detailed reply. I am obliged for your

kind help.

12.0pt">

font-family:Arial">A few doubts which have arisen as follows.

12.0pt">

font-family:Arial">You said If the decision is not

out of love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas

of the couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus.

These do not have to match each others lagna.

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Is it essential that the partners who are

destined to marry have the Upapada matched to the same sign ? If not so, what

are the mutual placements of Upapada between the partners in case of

arranged marriages ?

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I hail from India and most of the

marriages are arranged by parents here, but if the upapada has to be the same

sign in all/most cases, it looks to be little difficult statistically.

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Infact, I am searching a solution with the

help of which, the parents could filter out the proposals taking stock of

Upapada matching.

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Kindly elaborate. Your wisdom shall be

very helpful to all.

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Thanks again for your kind efforts,

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Vijay Kumar

color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

12.0pt">-

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

Visti

Larsen

font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">'Vijay

Kumar'

font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Cc:

font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">Friday, December 09, 2005

4:11 PM

font-family:Arial;font-weight:bold">[Om Krishna Guru] RE: Upapada

12.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Vijay,

Namaskar

Answers

below. I’ve cc’ed this to the group.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> or

10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com

***

font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Vijay Kumar

[v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in]

08 December 2005 13:03

Visti Larsen

Upapada

12.0pt">

Dear Sh. Visti,

12.0pt">

I am

trying to send this mail since 2 days to the list but in vain as it is

bouncing, hence am sending on your

personal

mail id.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] I checked your status, but don’t see why you

are bouncing, though it does indicate that you are. I have given you ‘unmoderated’

status on the list now, so there should be no problem.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

Thanks for a lot of

wisdom shared to the group. I have the request to guide me for the

following matters and oblige.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] Your welcome.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

01. For a

person to finalise the match for marriage out of many proposals in

hand, what considerations should be

observed in

terms of the mutual placement of Upapada of the proposed match ?

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] Upapada matching is a different scenario. This shows

WHO you consider as your spouse. If you do not consider your partner as a

spouse, then you will not marry.

font-style:italic">Here it is important to differentiate between two types of

marriage first: Arranged marriages and Love marriages. The difference here is

in ‘who is choosing the spouse’. If you let someone else choose for

you, then it is considered an arranged marriage. If the decision is not out of

love, we consider this an arranged marriage. In such cases the Upapadas of the

couple will match each other, i.e. both upapadas could be in Taurus. These do

not have to match each others lagna.

font-style:italic">In love marriages, or those of self-choice, the upapada of

the spouse should match your lagna, and vice versa. Then one will consider that

person as a spouse and the marriage can happen, otherwise not and the match

should not be advised.

font-style:italic">A big dilemma among those who have practiced this is, that

it can be difficult to know whether the native is in their first, second,

third, etc relationship and what is the scenario? This takes some

practice. Upapada matching is a must.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

02. To what

extent, do you find kuta matching pertinent in your experience?

Should that be the main criterion for

marriage alliance decision Vs Upapada placement ?

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] The point system of matching does not give a clear

idea of the matching, as some of the matching techniques need not be applied

initially like Yoni or Vaishya matching, which only have a very temporary

function or are limited to the conjugal life. Married life doesn’t limit

itself to the bedroom alone! The Matching techniques applied from the Moon and

its nakshatra are more indicative of the families/communities of the bride and

groom, as well as the health and karmic indications. Here it should be

mentioned, that matching of characters (especially Gana matching) should be

done from lagna instead of Moon. This is also useful in predictions from the

natal chart alone, i.e. if a native has a Sattvic planet in lagna, then they

are deva gana by nature, but if their Janmanakshatra is in a Rakshasa Gana

nakshatra, then the native will be shunned by their family, and also very

different from it by nature. Your family and your personality may not be the

same.

font-style:italic">Rajiu and Vedha matching should always be applied without

fail as it not only shows the ability of one partner to protect the other, but

remedies based on the relationship as well. Gotra and Varna matching need not be applied unless the

couple will be working together. In this way each of the techniques should be

understood first, and not just used as a point system.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

03. I have yet not

understood how to observe Rasi (Bha) Kuta in matching scnerio. There are many

conflicting rules

in

various texts. Kindly guide me to the underlying principle in it.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] This type of Kuta matching is interesting.

Stri-Dirgha and Rashi kuta are similar, where the Rashi kuta has some

pecularity. The stri-dirgha technique is to see whether the brides Moon

is in the bright half or dark half from the grooms moon. I.e. if the grooms

moon is in Taurus, then the brides Moon is well placed, if in the signs between

Taurus and Scorpio (Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra and Scorpio).

This is based on the principle of the bright and dark fortnights of the Moon.

font-style:italic">This technique shows how much support is available from the

grooms family/community, to support the bride. Since the bride used to leave

her family to join the husbands, the support available for her is seen using

this technique. Lack of support can give family disputes, monetary problems and

etc. In todays world the husband may not be the sole benefactor in the family,

hence this technique should be understood like this also. In many cases the

brides family is a greater support to the relationship than the grooms. More

below.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

04. In

Nadi kuta, the matching is done as usual by nakshatra classification.

Some texts also tabulate nadis by

nakshatra padas. Here again, there is a lot of confusion whether the

classification against nakshatra pada

finally dictate ?

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] I was not taught Nadi/Bhuta matching, but i was told

that this relates to genetics and health. I don’t think this can be

substituted for other matchings.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

05. Can the Gana

Kuta dosha be neglected in case of Graha-maitri and Nadi's are

matched. I have observed that

many texts agree to almost agree to ignore most of the

doshas if Graha-maitri and Nadi's are matched. Kindly

guide.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] Graha Maitri: If the panchada sambandha (of

the dispositors of moon signs - shubhapati) is inauspicious, then surely the

bad effects of the Stri-dirgha and Rashi kuta will manifest. Because the graha

maitri shows the actual relationship between the bride and groom, this is of

absolute importance!

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

06.

Finally, below is the birth details of a girl.

12.0pt">

Dr. Neelanjana Saxena

18-08-1978

03:26 Hrs IST

Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India

12.0pt">

Kindly indicate the rough estimate of marriage timing and oblige.

12.0pt">

font-style:italic">[Visti] This girl is on her first upapada. It will be an

arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. The

current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could

finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. The transit

of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time.

Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the

marriage quicker.

12.0pt">

Thanks

12.0pt">

Vijay Kumar

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Dear Visti and Vijay,

 

Hare Rama Krsna!

 

>My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage

>will be in kendra to each other. Hope this helps.

 

Mine is an arranged marriage too, and our upapadas are in trines, so you

may add that too. Kendras or trines.

 

Yours,

Dhira Krsna dasa,

 

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