The meaning of Graha Dristi

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|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

After your comments regarding curses and graha dristi, I realised that my

understanding of what exactly graha dristi is, is somewhat lacking.

I spent quite a while thinking about it, which has left me with a rather

confusing melange of incoherent thoughts. Could you kindly help me

sift through some of this?

Let me present my thoughts, so you can see where I am:

The 7th house represents Kama, desire, and shows our desires.

Presumably the 7th house from every house shows our desires with respect

to that house. Is this correct so far?

Graha dristi denotes the desire of the planets, that are manifested in

each of us according to our birth chart. All planets aspect

the 7th because the 7th is the house of Kama, desire. These aspects

are variable and fluid (i.e., increase and decrease gradually, not

fixed-point aspects), and therefore the 7th house (and special aspects

for Mars, Jupiter, Saturn), will show a concentration of desire in

some particular direction.

Now, it must be that each planet shows desires according to the nature of

that planet. So Jupiter's aspects will show desires regarding

knowledge (and the 5/9 house aspects of Jupiter show desires relating to

knowledge of the past and future). Is this correct?

Another try. The 7th house aspect of Mars will show what we tend to

want to fight about - right? Meanwhile the 4th house aspect of Mars

shows what we want to protect, while the 8th house aspect of Mars shows

what we want to harm/destroy the longevity of. I hope I'm on the

right track.

Now, this needs to be extended to include the house which the planet

aspects. So let's say Mars is in the 4th house. Then it has a

4th house aspect on the 7th - which shows a desire to protect 7th house

matter (spouse etc). The 7th house aspect falls on the 10th - which

shows a desire for conflict in the career (?), while the 8th house aspect

on the 11th might show a desire to harm one's friends/elder siblings

(?).

If that understanding is correct (I'm not sure it is), then I proceed to

the questions that trouble me:

How do we distinguish between the desires of the atma and the desires

of the mind? The atma has one desire - which is to return

from where it came, but order to fulfill this, there must be other lesser

desires to complete the lessons that must be learned before the final

desire can be fulfilled. But the desires of the mind will often

interfere with this. Is this correct, or I am making it more

complicated than it is?

It is said that the 7th house shows desires - so for example the 7th

from UL shows what we want in our spouse. How are these desires

different from the desires shown by the graha dristi of the

various planets?

This might sound a little long-winded, but let me try to make it as

clear as I can. Taking the example of a curse of a brahmin (i.e.,

malefics having graha dristi on Jupiter): The dristi of these

malefics will cause the person to have negative desires towards the

people represented by Jupiter (brahmins, Guru, etc). Right?

So this might drive them to do something negative towards such

people. But I thought that it was because they did some such thing

in the first place (i.e. previous life), that they are suffering the

curse! So on the one hand they are suffering because of something

they did, and yet the graha dristi shows that they have the desire to do

the same thing again! I this the case, or have I missed a vital

point?

I have many more questions - but I think many will be answered if

some of the confusion I have displayed above is cleared up, so I'll wait

with them. I will be very grateful to receive any guidance you can

give me (and hopefully other list members) about this.

Pranaam,

Samir

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar

The desires

of the atma (which caused rebirth) is seen from the seventh from karakamsa.

 

Try this

excercise. See which houses are recieving the graha dristi by Mars. You will

feel a great deal of insecurity about those houses.

See which

houses are recieving the graha dristi of Saturn. You will feel ashamed,

sensitive or weak in matters of those houses.

 

Now these

negative emotions arise due to having caused another person to feel these

emotions. Those people whom you caused this is seen from the planets being aspected

by the malefics; saturn, rahu and mars.

Best

wishes,

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Behalf Of Samir Shah

20 April 2005 07:40

 

[Om Krishna Guru] The

meaning of Graha Dristi

12.0pt">

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

After your comments regarding curses and graha dristi, I realised that my

understanding of what exactly graha dristi is, is somewhat lacking. I

spent quite a while thinking about it, which has left me with a rather

confusing melange of incoherent thoughts. Could you kindly help me sift

through some of this?

Let me present my thoughts, so you can see where I am:

The 7th house represents Kama, desire, and

shows our desires. Presumably the 7th house from every house shows our

desires with respect to that house. Is this correct so far?

Graha dristi denotes the desire of the planets, that are manifested in each of

us according to our birth chart. All planets aspect the 7th because

the 7th is the house of Kama, desire.

These aspects are variable and fluid (i.e., increase and decrease gradually,

not fixed-point aspects), and therefore the 7th house (and special aspects for

Mars, Jupiter, Saturn), will show a concentration

of desire in some particular direction.

Now, it must be that each planet shows desires according to the nature of that

planet. So Jupiter's aspects will show desires regarding knowledge (and

the 5/9 house aspects of Jupiter show desires relating to knowledge of the past

and future). Is this correct?

Another try. The 7th house aspect of Mars will show what we tend to want

to fight about - right? Meanwhile the 4th house aspect of Mars shows what

we want to protect, while the 8th house aspect of Mars shows what we want to

harm/destroy the longevity of. I hope I'm on the right track.

Now, this needs to be extended to include the house which the planet

aspects. So let's say Mars is in the 4th house. Then it has a 4th

house aspect on the 7th - which shows a desire to protect 7th house matter

(spouse etc). The 7th house aspect falls on the 10th - which shows a

desire for conflict in the career (?), while the 8th house aspect on the 11th

might show a desire to harm one's friends/elder siblings (?).

If that understanding is correct (I'm not sure it is), then I proceed to the

questions that trouble me:

mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">How do we distinguish between the desires of the

atma and the desires of the mind? The atma has one desire -

which is to return from where it came, but order to fulfill this, there

must be other lesser desires to complete the lessons that must be learned

before the final desire can be fulfilled. But the desires of the

mind will often interfere with this. Is this correct, or I am making

it more complicated than it is?

mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">It is said that the 7th house shows desires - so

for example the 7th from UL shows what we want in our spouse. How

are these desires different

from the desires shown by the graha dristi of the various planets?

mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2">This might sound a little long-winded, but let me

try to make it as clear as I can. Taking the example of a curse of a

brahmin (i.e., malefics having graha dristi on Jupiter): The dristi

of these malefics will cause the person to have negative desires towards

the people represented by Jupiter (brahmins, Guru, etc).

Right? So this might drive them to do something negative towards

such people. But I thought that it was because they did some such

thing in the first place (i.e. previous life), that they are suffering the

curse! So on the one hand they are suffering because of something

they did, and yet the graha dristi shows that they have the desire to do

the same thing again! I this the case, or have I missed a vital

point?

12.0pt">I have many more questions - but I think many will be answered if some

of the confusion I have displayed above is cleared up, so I'll wait with

them. I will be very grateful to receive any guidance you can give me

(and hopefully other list members) about this.

Pranaam,

Samir

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

[Guest guest]

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

Thank you! Things are much clearer now.

Regarding the 7th from Karakamsa, how do we go about determining what the

desires of the atma are? So if there's a planet there, should we

consider it's natural significations, or it's D-9, or Rasi

placement/lordships (or all of these) to see what the atma wishes to

achieve?

As always, in gratitude,

Samir

"Visti Larsen" <visti

Wed Apr 20, 2005 1:13 pm

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] The meaning of Graha

Dristi

||Hare Rama

Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

The desires of the atma (which caused rebirth) is seen from the seventh

from karakamsa.

 

Try this excercise. See which houses are recieving the graha dristi by

Mars. You will feel a great deal of insecurity about those

houses.

See which houses are recieving the graha dristi of Saturn. You will feel

ashamed, sensitive or weak in matters of those houses.

 

Now these negative emotions arise due to having caused another person to

feel these emotions. Those people whom you caused this is seen from the

planets being aspected by the malefics; saturn, rahu and mars.

Best wishes,

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Visti Larsen

Email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web:

http://srigaruda.com &

http://astrovisti.com

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