Venus in 12th house

April 25, 2005

Respected Gurus and members,

As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

sources recommended by the Gurus.

SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th house

to liberation and loss, among other things.

If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct statements

like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

Thank you

Govinda

April 26, 2005

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Govinda, Namaskar

Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is also the

Karaka.

But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) - where the

purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

So depending on what other influences there are, these will

manifest. Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and

subservience to the opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive

influences could result in very determined, devoted spiritual practice

(and brahmacharya).

Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji gives

several examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital

problems. This is equally true for Navamsa.

I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

Best wishes,

Samir

______________________

Message: 14

Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

"govinda108m"

Venus in 12th house

Respected Gurus and members,

As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

sources recommended by the Gurus.

SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th house

to liberation and loss, among other things.

If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct

statements

like, "loss of passion" and "passion for

liberation"?

Thank you

Govinda

April 26, 2005

|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Dear Samir and List Members,

I had read in one of Visti ji's emails that Ve in 12th is rasi is

bad for marriage but in Navamsa Venus in 11th is bad for marriage.

I do not remember the reasoning. Can anyone comment on the

reasoning.

Sincerely,

Supriti

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear Govinda, Namaskar

>

> Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

>

> The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is

also the

> Karaka.

>

> But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) -

where the

> purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

>

> So depending on what other influences there are, these will

> manifest. Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and

> subservience to the opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive

influences

> could result in very determined, devoted spiritual practice (and

brahmacharya).

>

> Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji gives

several

> examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital

problems. This

> is equally true for Navamsa.

>

> I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>__________________

____

> >

> >Message: 14

> > Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

> > "govinda108m" <govinda108m>

> >Venus in 12th house

> >

> >Respected Gurus and members,

> >

> >As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

> >sources recommended by the Gurus.

> >

> >SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

> >represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th

house

> >to liberation and loss, among other things.

> >

> >If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct

statements

> >like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

> >

> >Thank you

> >Govinda

April 26, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Supriti,

Namaskar

Venus in

the twelfth house in the navamsa is bad for marriage. Reason is simple; From

the seventh house, venus would be in marana karaka sthana.

Best

wishes,

***

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10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

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***

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[] On Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar

26 April 2005 15:09

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

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|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Dear Samir and List Members,

I had read in one of Visti ji's emails that Ve in

12th is rasi is

bad for marriage but in Navamsa Venus in 11th is

bad for marriage.

I do not remember the reasoning. Can anyone

comment on the

reasoning.

Sincerely,

Supriti

, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Om Krsna

Guru ||

>

> Dear Govinda, Namaskar

>

> Let me share some of my understanding

regarding this.

>

> The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures -

for which Venus is

also the

> Karaka.

>

> But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the

natural 12th house) -

where the

> purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

>

> So depending on what other influences there

are, these will

> manifest. Negative influences can cause

a weakness for sex, and

> subservience to the opposite sex in this

regard, whilst positive

influences

> could result in very determined, devoted

spiritual practice (and

brahmacharya).

>

> Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for

marriage. Sanjayji gives

several

> examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has

led to marital

problems. This

> is equally true for Navamsa.

>

> I hope my errors will be corrected by the

Gurus.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>__________________

____

> >

> >Message: 14

> > Tue, 26 Apr 2005

01:43:06 -0000

> >

"govinda108m" <govinda108m>

> >Venus in 12th house

> >

> >Respected Gurus and members,

> >

> >As suggested by senior members, I started

to read material from

> >sources recommended by the Gurus.

> >

> >SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first

definition, states that Venus

> >represents one's passions. My previous

knowledge connects 12th

house

> >to liberation and loss, among other

things.

> >

> >If one has Venus in 12th house, is it

possible to construct

statements

> >like, "loss of passion" and

"passion for liberation"?

> >

> >Thank you

> >Govinda

~ om tat sat

~

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

April 26, 2005

|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Dear Visti ji,

Thank you.

Supriti

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Supriti, Namaskar

>

> Venus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is bad for marriage.

Reason is

> simple; From the seventh house, venus would be in marana karaka

sthana.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar

> 26 April 2005 15:09

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

>

> |OM KRISHNA GURU|

>

> Dear Samir and List Members,

>

> I had read in one of Visti ji's emails that Ve in 12th is rasi is

> bad for marriage but in Navamsa Venus in 11th is bad for marriage.

>

> I do not remember the reasoning. Can anyone comment on the

> reasoning.

>

> Sincerely,

> Supriti

>

> , Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@g...>

> wrote:

> > || Om Krsna Guru ||

> >

> > Dear Govinda, Namaskar

> >

> > Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

> >

> > The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is

> also the

> > Karaka.

> >

> > But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) -

> where the

> > purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

> >

> > So depending on what other influences there are, these will

> > manifest. Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and

> > subservience to the opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive

> influences

> > could result in very determined, devoted spiritual practice (and

> brahmacharya).

> >

> > Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji

gives

> several

> > examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital

> problems. This

> > is equally true for Navamsa.

> >

> > I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

>

>__________________

> ____

> > >

> > >Message: 14

> > > Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

> > > "govinda108m" <govinda108m>

> > >Venus in 12th house

> > >

> > >Respected Gurus and members,

> > >

> > >As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

> > >sources recommended by the Gurus.

> > >

> > >SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that

Venus

> > >represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th

> house

> > >to liberation and loss, among other things.

> > >

> > >If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct

> statements

> > >like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

> > >

> > >Thank you

> > >Govinda

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

> _____

>

> Links

>

> *

> /

>

> *

>

> <?

subject=Un>

>

> *

> <> Terms of Service.

April 26, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar

First

lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses are good as they

cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as if the lagna has

been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

Also; a

planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native spend alot of time on the

karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If Moon is in the twelfth

house, the person will not like to leave mother and their home-land. If Mercury

is there, then education/vidya is never left idle by the native, etc. Malefics

in the twelfth are not good because of this.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

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[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah

26 April 2005 14:16

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

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|| Om

Krsna Guru ||

Dear Govinda, Namaskar

Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is also the

Karaka.

But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) - where the purity

of devotion to God is at it's highest.

So depending on what other influences there are, these will manifest.

Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and subservience to the

opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive influences could result in very

determined, devoted spiritual practice (and brahmacharya).

Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji gives several

examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital problems.

This is equally true for Navamsa.

I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

Best wishes,

Samir

12.0pt">______________________

Message: 14

Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

"govinda108m" <govinda108m (AT) (DOT) ca>

Venus in 12th house

Respected Gurus and members,

As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

sources recommended by the Gurus.

SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th house

to liberation and loss, among other things.

If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct statements

like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

Thank you

Govinda

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

April 26, 2005

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Visti,

This is very interesting. One question though. Planets in 12h may indicate

difficult relationship with relative signified i.e Sun for father. How does one

reconcile the two? Would this mean spending much time though the relationship is

difficult? 12H also stands for secret enemies!

Regards

Ramesh

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenTuesday,

April 26, 2005 11:05 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses are good as

they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as if the lagna

has been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native spend alot of time

on the karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If Moon is in the

twelfth house, the person will not like to leave mother and their home-land. If

Mercury is there, then education/vidya is never left idle by the native, etc.

Malefics in the twelfth are not good because of this.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Samir Shah26 April 2005 14:16To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

|| Om Krsna Guru ||Dear Govinda, NamaskarLet me share some of my understanding

regarding this.The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is

also the Karaka.But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) -

where the purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.So depending on what

other influences there are, these will manifest. Negative influences can cause

a weakness for sex, and subservience to the opposite sex in this regard, whilst

positive influences could result in very determined, devoted spiritual practice

(and brahmacharya).Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji

gives several examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital

problems. This is equally true for Navamsa.I hope my errors will be corrected

by the Gurus.Best wishes,Samir

______________________Message:

14 Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000 "govinda108m"

<govinda108m (AT) (DOT) ca>Venus in 12th houseRespected Gurus and

members,As suggested by senior members, I started to read material fromsources

recommended by the Gurus.SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states

that Venusrepresents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th houseto

liberation and loss, among other things.If one has Venus in 12th house, is it

possible to construct statementslike, "loss of passion" and "passion for

liberation"?Thank youGovinda

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining

the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who

said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3)

Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

April 26, 2005

|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Dear Visti ji,

By the same logic, malefics in 12th house would be ashubha. Su in

12th house would cause dharma related problems/worries, Rh in the

12th house would cause cheating related problems/worries, Ma would

cause anger related problems and Sa would cause problems related to

tradition etc.

Am I right is saying that if the malefics are debilitated then the

worries will be less than if the malefics are in own house/exalted.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Supriti

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Samir, Namaskar

>

> First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses

are good

> as they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as

if the

> lagna has been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

>

> Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native

spend alot of

> time on the karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If

Moon is

> in the twelfth house, the person will not like to leave mother and

their

> home-land. If Mercury is there, then education/vidya is never left

idle by

> the native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are not good because of

this.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Samir Shah

> 26 April 2005 14:16

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

>

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear Govinda, Namaskar

>

> Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

>

> The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is

also the

> Karaka.

>

> But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) -

where the

> purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

>

> So depending on what other influences there are, these will

manifest.

> Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and subservience

to the

> opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive influences could

result in very

> determined, devoted spiritual practice (and brahmacharya).

>

> Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji gives

several

> examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital

problems. This

> is equally true for Navamsa.

>

> I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

___________________

___

>

> Message: 14

> Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

> "govinda108m" <govinda108m>

> Venus in 12th house

>

> Respected Gurus and members,

>

> As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

> sources recommended by the Gurus.

>

> SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

> represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th

house

> to liberation and loss, among other things.

>

> If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct

statements

> like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

>

> Thank you

> Govinda

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

> _____

>

> Links

>

> *

> /

>

> *

>

> <?

subject=Un>

>

> *

> <> Terms of Service.

April 26, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ramesh,

Namaskar

The

difficult relationship with the father or the karakatva of the planet in

twelfth, comes when the native cannot sustain the ‘giving’ towards

that particular person. This is however more prominent from the arudha lagna

and its twelfth house.

If the

lords of the two houses are well placed from each other, then the secret

enemies are less prominent as they feel satisfied/happy with ones giving.

Similarly

take the classic placement of Upapada in the twelfth from AL. if the two lords are well placed from

each other, the marriage survives and is healthy due to a natural giving

tendency in the native.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

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[] On Behalf Of Ramesh Gangaramani

26 April 2005 17:20

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Dear Visti,

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">This is very interesting. One question

though. Planets in 12h may indicate difficult relationship with relative

signified i.e Sun for father. How does one reconcile the two? Would this mean

spending much time though the relationship is difficult? 12H also stands for

secret enemies!

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Regards

10.0pt;font-family:Georgia;color:navy">Ramesh

[]On

Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Tuesday, April 26, 2005 11:05 AM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar

First

lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses are good as they

cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as if the lagna has

been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

Also; a

planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native spend alot of time on the

karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If Moon is in the twelfth

house, the person will not like to leave mother and their home-land. If Mercury

is there, then education/vidya is never left idle by the native, etc. Malefics

in the twelfth are not good because of this.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

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[] On Behalf Of Samir Shah

26 April 2005 14:16

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

12.0pt">

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Govinda, Namaskar

Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is also the

Karaka.

But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) - where the purity

of devotion to God is at it's highest.

So depending on what other influences there are, these will manifest.

Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and subservience to the

opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive influences could result in very

determined, devoted spiritual practice (and brahmacharya).

Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji gives several

examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital problems.

This is equally true for Navamsa.

I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

Best wishes,

Samir

12.0pt">______________________

Message: 14

Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

"govinda108m" <govinda108m (AT) (DOT) ca>

Venus in 12th house

Respected Gurus and members,

As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

sources recommended by the Gurus.

SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th house

to liberation and loss, among other things.

If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct statements

like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

Thank you

Govinda

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

12.0pt">

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

April 26, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Supriti,

Namaskar

Sun in

twelfth can give monetary concerns. Saturn, Mars or Rahu are worse in the

twelfth as they will damage the sleep and cause health problems in the native

due to lack of rest and recooperation.

Ketu in the

twelfth can give mistakes by doctors, Rahu will also cause problems from

doctors who give wrong diagnosis.

Mars in the

twelfth can give troubled relationships in the marriage, as it causes restraint

in the relationship... This is why Mars causes Kuja dosha. Twelfth house is the

bhava from which we calculate the upapada... remember?

The

karakatva you mentioned for the malefics, i would rather attribute to the

twelfth from AL

– i.e. for Sun its taxes (because you didn’t do your dharma and pay

taxes).

As for the

whole exalted/debilitated idea – its standard principle that malefics

when weak in dusthana are supposed to be auspicious, however this is not so if

they are retrograde as well! And then you ALSO have to look at lordship.

A good tip –

don’t say anything until you see the placement from arudha lagna.

Best

wishes,

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[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

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|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Dear Visti ji,

By the same logic, malefics in 12th house would be

ashubha. Su in

12th house would cause dharma related

problems/worries, Rh in the

12th house would cause cheating related

problems/worries, Ma would

cause anger related problems and Sa would cause

problems related to

tradition etc.

Am I right is saying that if the malefics are

debilitated then the

worries will be less than if the malefics are in

own house/exalted.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

Supriti

, "Visti

Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Samir, Namaskar

>

> First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the

second or twelfth houses

are good

> as they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good

sleep and good food, as

if the

> lagna has been cushioned by two big soft

pillows.

>

> Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense.

The native

spend alot of

> time on the karakatva of the graha who is in

the twelfth house. If

Moon is

> in the twelfth house, the person will not

like to leave mother and

their

> home-land. If Mercury is there, then

education/vidya is never left

idle by

> the native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are

not good because of

this.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...>

visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com &

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

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>

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> Behalf Of Samir Shah

> 26 April 2005 14:16

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th

house

>

> || Om Krsna

Guru ||

>

> Dear Govinda, Namaskar

>

> Let me share some of my understanding

regarding this.

>

> The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures -

for which Venus is

also the

> Karaka.

>

> But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the

natural 12th house) -

where the

> purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

>

> So depending on what other influences there

are, these will

manifest.

> Negative influences can cause a weakness for

sex, and subservience

to the

> opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive

influences could

result in very

> determined, devoted spiritual practice (and

brahmacharya).

>

> Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for

marriage. Sanjayji gives

several

> examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has

led to marital

problems. This

> is equally true for Navamsa.

>

> I hope my errors will be corrected by the

Gurus.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

___________________

___

>

> Message:

14

> Tue, 26 Apr 2005

01:43:06 -0000

>

"govinda108m" <govinda108m>

> Venus in 12th house

>

> Respected Gurus and members,

>

> As suggested by senior members, I started to

read material from

> sources recommended by the Gurus.

>

> SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first

definition, states that Venus

> represents one's passions. My previous

knowledge connects 12th

house

> to liberation and loss, among other things.

>

> If one has Venus in 12th house, is it

possible to construct

statements

> like, "loss of passion" and

"passion for liberation"?

>

> Thank you

> Govinda

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard

for animals.

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Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

April 26, 2005

Dear Sh. Visti,

Is it true for both male and female charts or there is some variation.

Does a similar situation also true from AL or UL ?

Kindly clarify.

Thanks

Vijay Kumar

On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:22:34 +0200, Visti Larsen wrote

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Supriti, Namaskar

> Venus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is bad for marriage. Reason is

simple; From the seventh house, venus would be in marana karaka sthana.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

> Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

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> >

> [] On

Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar

> 26 April 2005 15:09

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

>

> |OM KRISHNA GURU|

> > Dear Samir and List Members,

> > I had read in one of Visti ji's emails that Ve in 12th is rasi is

> bad for marriage but in Navamsa Venus in 11th is bad for marriage.

> > I do not remember the reasoning. Can anyone comment on the

> reasoning.

> > Sincerely,

> Supriti

> > , Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

> wrote:

> > || Om Krsna Guru ||

> >

> > Dear Govinda, Namaskar

> >

> > Let me share some of my understanding regarding this.

> >

> > The 12th house also signifies bed pleasures - for which Venus is

> also the

> > Karaka.

> >

> > But Venus is also exalted in Pisces (the natural 12th house) -

> where the

> > purity of devotion to God is at it's highest.

> >

> > So depending on what other influences there are, these will

> > manifest. Negative influences can cause a weakness for sex, and

> > subservience to the opposite sex in this regard, whilst positive

> influences

> > could result in very determined, devoted spiritual practice (and

> brahmacharya).

> >

> > Either way, Venus in the 12th is bad for marriage. Sanjayji gives

> several

> > examples in COVA where Venus in the 12th has led to marital

> problems. This

> > is equally true for Navamsa.

> >

> > I hope my errors will be corrected by the Gurus.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > Samir

> >

> >__________________

> ____

> > >

> > >Message: 14

> > > Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:43:06 -0000

> > > "govinda108m" <govinda108m>

> > >Venus in 12th house

> > >

> > >Respected Gurus and members,

> > >

> > >As suggested by senior members, I started to read material from

> > >sources recommended by the Gurus.

> > >

> > >SJVC Lesson 4-Planets, in the first definition, states that Venus

> > >represents one's passions. My previous knowledge connects 12th

> house

> > >to liberation and loss, among other things.

> > >

> > >If one has Venus in 12th house, is it possible to construct

> statements

> > >like, "loss of passion" and "passion for liberation"?

> > >

> > >Thank you

> > >Govinda

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > >

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|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

Thank you for your comments. I have a few questions following your

multiple comments on this thread. Forgive me if they are somewhat

simple:

1. Can I infer from this that Venus in the 12th is likely to cause

early loss of the spouse, being 6th from the 7th house, but it need not

necessarily cause a strained marital relationship (if the lords are well

placed, so that giving to the spouse is not unmanageable)?

2. Does Venus in the 12th deny or enhance bed-pleasures?

Having re-read the relevant part in COVA, it seems Sanjayji says that

karaka bhava nasa is active in this case (irrespective of chara

karakatwa), actually denying it. Or does it depend more on

sign/lordship of Venus?

3. I'm trying to consolidate your comments with what Sanjayji says

in COVA. He says the 12th house shows the things we lose (perhaps

unwillingly), while the 12th from AL shows what we 'willingly'

reject. He says, for example, that the Moon in the 12th (from

Lagna) causes domestic affairs to go awry. By extension of this, we

could say that Mercury in the 12th would make educational affairs go

awry.

So while a person spends more time on the karaktwas of the planets in the

12th from Lagna, they also encounter a lot of obstacles/loss with the

same.

Meanwhile, the person does not spend a lot of time on the karaktwas of

the planets in the 12th from AL , rejecting them (hence Rahu in 12th is a

rejection of materialism). And sometimes the person/entity being

rejected doesn't like it, and this causes problems. Is my

understanding correct?

Just to verify: taking Jupiter in the 12th. This would be good for

sleep, meditation etc. But it can also mean the native will spend a

lot of time on their children, and perhaps affairs related to children

will be somewhat amiss. I hope that's the right way of looking at

it?

4. By virtue of the fact that it is the karaka for meditation etc.,

am I correct in thinking that it will be beneficial for these, even if it

is a malefic?

5. Why does Mars in the 12th cause restraint in a marital

relationship? Do you mean physical/intimate restraint?

6. Regarding 12th from AL. Could you explain the difference

in results between (a) Venus in 12th from AL and (b) UL in 12th from

AL? I.e., what is the difference between the Karaka (naisargika) of

a person, and the pada of the house representing that person, being

placed in 12th from AL?

I would be very grateful for your guidance.

Pranaam,

Samir

"Visti Larsen" <visti

Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:05 pm

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

||Hare Rama

Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses are

good as they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as

if the lagna has been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native spend alot

of time on the karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If

Moon is in the twelfth house, the person will not like to leave mother

and their home-land. If Mercury is there, then education/vidya is never

left idle by the native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are not good

because of this.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web:

http://srigaruda.com &

http://astrovisti.com

***

April 27, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar

Venus in

the twelfth house in the navamsa is supposed to cause problems in getting

married. I don’t see the problem with its placement in the rasi.

Planets/arudhas

in the twelfth from lagna or AL

are sources of expenditure. The native begins to reject this expenditure when

they are tired of giving. They are tired of giving when the lords of lagna and

twelfth (or AL

and its twelfth) are in a strained relationship with each other, as a result

the person cannot meet their expenditure.

Whilst the

Upapada generally shows the attitude towards the spouse, Venus shows the

attitude towards all relationships. Thats why you will usually find Venus in a

dusthana from the AL

in charts of renunciates.

As for Mars

in the twelfth, yes i mean physical/intimate restraint.

Best

wishes,

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27 April 2005 08:08

[Om Krishna Guru] Re:

Venus in 12th house

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|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

Thank you for your comments. I have a few questions following your

multiple comments on this thread. Forgive me if they are somewhat simple:

1. Can I infer from this that Venus in the 12th is likely to cause early

loss of the spouse, being 6th from the 7th house, but it need not necessarily

cause a strained marital relationship (if the lords are well placed, so that

giving to the spouse is not unmanageable)?

2. Does Venus in the 12th deny or enhance bed-pleasures? Having

re-read the relevant part in COVA, it seems Sanjayji says that karaka bhava nasa

is active in this case

(irrespective of chara karakatwa), actually denying it. Or does it depend

more on sign/lordship of Venus?

3. I'm trying to consolidate your comments with what Sanjayji says in

COVA. He says the 12th house shows the things we lose (perhaps

unwillingly), while the 12th from AL

shows what we 'willingly' reject. He says, for example, that the Moon in

the 12th (from Lagna) causes domestic affairs to go awry. By extension of

this, we could say that Mercury in the 12th would make educational affairs go

awry.

So while a person spends more time on the karaktwas of the planets in the 12th

from Lagna, they also encounter a lot of obstacles/loss with the same.

Meanwhile, the person does not spend a lot of time on the karaktwas of the

planets in the 12th from AL

, rejecting them (hence Rahu in 12th is a rejection of materialism). And

sometimes the person/entity being rejected doesn't like it, and this causes

problems. Is my understanding correct?

Just to verify: taking Jupiter in the 12th. This would be good for sleep,

meditation etc. But it can also mean the native will spend a lot of time

on their children, and perhaps affairs related to children will be somewhat

amiss. I hope that's the right way of looking at it?

4. By virtue of the fact that it is the karaka for meditation etc., am I

correct in thinking that it will be beneficial for these, even if it is a

malefic?

5. Why does Mars in the 12th cause restraint in a marital

relationship? Do you mean physical/intimate restraint?

6. Regarding 12th from AL.

Could you explain the difference in results between (a) Venus in 12th from AL

and (b) UL in 12th from AL? I.e., what is the difference

between the Karaka (naisargika) of a person, and the pada of the house

representing that person, being placed in 12th from AL?

I would be very grateful for your guidance.

Pranaam,

Samir

"Visti

Larsen" <visti

Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:05 pm

RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Re: Venus in 12th house

"Bookman Old Style";color:#FF0080;font-weight:bold">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses are good as

they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as if the lagna

has been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native spend alot of

time on the karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If Moon is in

the twelfth house, the person will not like to leave mother and their

home-land. If Mercury is there, then education/vidya is never left idle by the

native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are not good because of this.

Best wishes,

color:#FF0080">***

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Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web:

http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

color:#FF0080">***

~ om tat sat

~

10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"">

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

April 27, 2005

|OM KRISHNA GURU|

Dear Visti ji,

Thank you for the clear explanation.

Sincerely,

Supriti

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Samir, Namaskar

>

> Venus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is supposed to cause

problems in

> getting married. I don't see the problem with its placement in the

rasi.

>

> Planets/arudhas in the twelfth from lagna or AL are sources of

expenditure.

> The native begins to reject this expenditure when they are tired

of giving.

> They are tired of giving when the lords of lagna and twelfth (or

AL and its

> twelfth) are in a strained relationship with each other, as a

result the

> person cannot meet their expenditure.

>

> Whilst the Upapada generally shows the attitude towards the

spouse, Venus

> shows the attitude towards all relationships. Thats why you will

usually

> find Venus in a dusthana from the AL in charts of renunciates.

>

> As for Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean physical/intimate restraint.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of Samir Shah

> 27 April 2005 08:08

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

>

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

>

> Thank you for your comments. I have a few questions following

your multiple

> comments on this thread. Forgive me if they are somewhat simple:

>

> 1. Can I infer from this that Venus in the 12th is likely to

cause early

> loss of the spouse, being 6th from the 7th house, but it need not

> necessarily cause a strained marital relationship (if the lords

are well

> placed, so that giving to the spouse is not unmanageable)?

>

> 2. Does Venus in the 12th deny or enhance bed-pleasures? Having

re-read

> the relevant part in COVA, it seems Sanjayji says that karaka

bhava nasa is

> active in this case (irrespective of chara karakatwa), actually

denying it.

> Or does it depend more on sign/lordship of Venus?

>

> 3. I'm trying to consolidate your comments with what Sanjayji

says in COVA.

> He says the 12th house shows the things we lose (perhaps

unwillingly), while

> the 12th from AL shows what we 'willingly' reject. He says, for

example,

> that the Moon in the 12th (from Lagna) causes domestic affairs to

go awry.

> By extension of this, we could say that Mercury in the 12th would

make

> educational affairs go awry.

>

> So while a person spends more time on the karaktwas of the planets

in the

> 12th from Lagna, they also encounter a lot of obstacles/loss with

the same.

>

> Meanwhile, the person does not spend a lot of time on the

karaktwas of the

> planets in the 12th from AL , rejecting them (hence Rahu in 12th

is a

> rejection of materialism). And sometimes the person/entity being

rejected

> doesn't like it, and this causes problems. Is my understanding

correct?

>

> Just to verify: taking Jupiter in the 12th. This would be good

for sleep,

> meditation etc. But it can also mean the native will spend a lot

of time on

> their children, and perhaps affairs related to children will be

somewhat

> amiss. I hope that's the right way of looking at it?

>

> 4. By virtue of the fact that it is the karaka for meditation

etc., am I

> correct in thinking that it will be beneficial for these, even if

it is a

> malefic?

>

> 5. Why does Mars in the 12th cause restraint in a marital

relationship? Do

> you mean physical/intimate restraint?

>

> 6. Regarding 12th from AL. Could you explain the difference in

results

> between (a) Venus in 12th from AL and (b) UL in 12th from AL?

I.e., what is

> the difference between the Karaka (naisargika) of a person, and

the pada of

> the house representing that person, being placed in 12th from AL?

>

> I would be very grateful for your guidance.

>

> Pranaam,

>

> Samir

>

> _____

>

> "Visti Larsen" <visti@>

> Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:05 pm

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Samir, Namaskar

>

> First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or twelfth houses

are good

> as they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and good food, as

if the

> lagna has been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

>

> Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense. The native

spend alot of

> time on the karakatva of the graha who is in the twelfth house. If

Moon is

> in the twelfth house, the person will not like to leave mother and

their

> home-land. If Mercury is there, then education/vidya is never left

idle by

> the native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are not good because of

this.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti@s...> visti@s...

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

> <http://astrovisti.com/> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

> _____

>

> Links

>

> *

> /

>

> *

>

> <?

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April 27, 2005

Dear Vistiji,

Namaskar,

Two questions:

1. When you said following (physical/intimate

restraint.) about Mars in 12th, did you mean in rashi

chart or navamsa?

2. physical/intimate restraint is because native won't

be interested or because native is still keen and

doesn't get a companion?

Regards,

Shobha

> As for Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean

> physical/intimate restraint.

--- Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Samir, Namaskar

>

> Venus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is

> supposed to cause problems in

> getting married. I don't see the problem with its

> placement in the rasi.

>

> Planets/arudhas in the twelfth from lagna or AL are

> sources of expenditure.

> The native begins to reject this expenditure when

> they are tired of giving.

> They are tired of giving when the lords of lagna and

> twelfth (or AL and its

> twelfth) are in a strained relationship with each

> other, as a result the

> person cannot meet their expenditure.

>

> Whilst the Upapada generally shows the attitude

> towards the spouse, Venus

> shows the attitude towards all relationships. Thats

> why you will usually

> find Venus in a dusthana from the AL in charts of

> renunciates.

>

> As for Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean

> physical/intimate restraint.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti

> visti

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Samir Shah

> 27 April 2005 08:08

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

>

> || Om Krsna Guru ||

>

> Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

>

> Thank you for your comments. I have a few questions

> following your multiple

> comments on this thread. Forgive me if they are

> somewhat simple:

>

> 1. Can I infer from this that Venus in the 12th is

> likely to cause early

> loss of the spouse, being 6th from the 7th house,

> but it need not

> necessarily cause a strained marital relationship

> (if the lords are well

> placed, so that giving to the spouse is not

> unmanageable)?

>

> 2. Does Venus in the 12th deny or enhance

> bed-pleasures? Having re-read

> the relevant part in COVA, it seems Sanjayji says

> that karaka bhava nasa is

> active in this case (irrespective of chara

> karakatwa), actually denying it.

> Or does it depend more on sign/lordship of Venus?

>

> 3. I'm trying to consolidate your comments with

> what Sanjayji says in COVA.

> He says the 12th house shows the things we lose

> (perhaps unwillingly), while

> the 12th from AL shows what we 'willingly' reject.

> He says, for example,

> that the Moon in the 12th (from Lagna) causes

> domestic affairs to go awry.

> By extension of this, we could say that Mercury in

> the 12th would make

> educational affairs go awry.

>

> So while a person spends more time on the karaktwas

> of the planets in the

> 12th from Lagna, they also encounter a lot of

> obstacles/loss with the same.

>

> Meanwhile, the person does not spend a lot of time

> on the karaktwas of the

> planets in the 12th from AL , rejecting them (hence

> Rahu in 12th is a

> rejection of materialism). And sometimes the

> person/entity being rejected

> doesn't like it, and this causes problems. Is my

> understanding correct?

>

> Just to verify: taking Jupiter in the 12th. This

> would be good for sleep,

> meditation etc. But it can also mean the native

> will spend a lot of time on

> their children, and perhaps affairs related to

> children will be somewhat

> amiss. I hope that's the right way of looking at

> it?

>

> 4. By virtue of the fact that it is the karaka for

> meditation etc., am I

> correct in thinking that it will be beneficial for

> these, even if it is a

> malefic?

>

> 5. Why does Mars in the 12th cause restraint in a

> marital relationship? Do

> you mean physical/intimate restraint?

>

> 6. Regarding 12th from AL. Could you explain the

> difference in results

> between (a) Venus in 12th from AL and (b) UL in 12th

> from AL? I.e., what is

> the difference between the Karaka (naisargika) of a

> person, and the pada of

> the house representing that person, being placed in

> 12th from AL?

>

> I would be very grateful for your guidance.

>

> Pranaam,

>

> Samir

>

> _____

>

> "Visti Larsen" <visti

> Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:05 pm

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th

> house

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Samir, Namaskar

>

> First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the second or

> twelfth houses are good

> as they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good sleep and

> good food, as if the

> lagna has been cushioned by two big soft pillows.

>

> Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense.

> The native spend alot of

> time on the karakatva of the graha who is in the

> twelfth house. If Moon is

> in the twelfth house, the person will not like to

> leave mother and their

> home-land. If Mercury is there, then education/vidya

> is never left idle by

> the native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are not

> good because of this.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

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>

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> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

> Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> Great who said that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> free chart reading today

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April 27, 2005

|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

Sorry for my persistence in this. After a lot of thought I am still

unhappy with my understanding. There is something in your comments

that I haven't grasped yet. Please help me out:

1. Venus in the 12th in Rasi is also in the 6th from the 7th;

and in Rasi the 7th also signifies spouse/relationships. Admittedly

the scope is much wider that in Navamsa, but Venus is nevertheless the

primary Karaka for the 7th. So shouldn't this placement in Rasi

also be damaging to marriage (though obviously to a lesser extent that if

it were in Navamsa), and also other relationships, in the same way as in

Navamsa? I'm confused about this.

2. Venus in the 12th in Navamsa can cause problems getting married.

Does it play any role in the marital relationship itself - or does this

depend more on the UL (lord and planets therein) and their relationship

with Venus being in the 12th?

3. I'm sure there must be a difference between the effects of

planets in the 12th from Lagna, and planets in the 12th from UL - even

though they both show 'expenditure'. My initial thoughts are that

from Lagna, planets would show more 'energetic/immaterial' expenditure

whilst from AL, planets would show more material expenditure. Is

this correct? I know it might be simple, but I want to make sure

I'm clear about it.

Thank you for your valuable guidance.

Pranaam,

Samir

"Visti Larsen" <visti

Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:12 am

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house

||Hare Rama

Krsna||

Dear

Samir, Namaskar

Venus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is supposed to cause problems

in getting married. I don’t see the problem with its placement in the

rasi.

Planets/arudhas in the twelfth from lagna or AL are sources of

expenditure. The native begins to reject this expenditure when they are

tired of giving. They are tired of giving when the lords of lagna and

twelfth (or AL and its twelfth) are in a strained relationship with each

other, as a result the person cannot meet their expenditure.

Whilst the Upapada generally shows the attitude towards the spouse, Venus

shows the attitude towards all relationships. Thats why you will usually

find Venus in a dusthana from the AL in charts of renunciates.

As for Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean physical/intimate

restraint.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email:

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

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April 28, 2005

Venus in the 12th house itself will not harm any marriage.

Infact venus in 12th house gives good bed relation

In some cases that will be extra vagant expenditure.

Enjoys spending money.If Venus is hemmed between malefic then it is a difference question.

Look stellar postion of Venus/ aspect by Mars/ Saturn/ Rahu carries weightage to

position and its implication.

Hariom

Mesham54 Samir Shah <solaris.smoke > wrote:

|| Om Krsna Guru ||Dear Vistiji, NamaskarSorry for my persistence in this.

After a lot of thought I am still unhappy with my understanding. There is

something in your comments that I haven't grasped yet. Please help me out:1.

Venus in the 12th in Rasi is also in the 6th from the 7th; and in Rasi the 7th

also signifies spouse/relationships. Admittedly the scope is much wider that in

Navamsa, but Venus is nevertheless the primary Karaka for the 7th. So shouldn't

this placement in Rasi also be damaging to marriage (though obviously to a

lesser extent that if it were in Navamsa), and also other relationships, in the

same way as in Navamsa? I'm confused about this.2. Venus in the 12th in

Navamsa can cause problems getting married. Does it play any role in the

marital

relationship itself - or does this depend more on the UL (lord and planets

therein) and their relationship with Venus being in the 12th?3. I'm sure there

must be a difference between the effects of planets in the 12th from Lagna, and

planets in the 12th from UL - even though they both show 'expenditure'. My

initial thoughts are that from Lagna, planets would show more

'energetic/immaterial' expenditure whilst from AL, planets would show more

material expenditure. Is this correct? I know it might be simple, but I want

to make sure I'm clear about it.Thank you for your valuable

guidance.Pranaam,Samir

"Visti Larsen" <visti Wed Apr 27, 2005 9:12 am RE:

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house||Hare Rama Krsna||Dear Samir,

NamaskarVenus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is supposed to cause problems

in getting married. I don’t see the problem with its placement in the

rasi.Planets/arudhas in the twelfth from lagna or AL are sources of

expenditure. The native begins to reject this expenditure when they are tired

of giving. They are tired of giving when the lords of lagna and twelfth (or AL

and its twelfth) are in a strained relationship with each other, as a result

the person cannot meet their expenditure. Whilst the Upapada generally shows

the attitude towards the spouse, Venus shows the attitude towards all

relationships. Thats why you will

usually find Venus in a dusthana from the AL in charts of renunciates. As for

Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean physical/intimate restraint.Best

wishes,***Visti LarsenEmail: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) comWeb: http://srigaruda.com &

http://astrovisti.com***~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of

the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

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Hariom

Satguru

mesham54 shobha S <shobhas60 > wrote:

Dear Vistiji,Namaskar,Two questions:1. When you said following

(physical/intimaterestraint.) about Mars in 12th, did you mean in rashichart or

navamsa?2. physical/intimate restraint is because native won'tbe interested or

because native is still keen anddoesn't get a companion?Regards,Shobha> As for

Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean> physical/intimate restraint.--- Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Samir, Namaskar> >

Venus in the twelfth house in the navamsa is> supposed to cause problems in>

getting married. I don't see the problem with its> placement in the rasi.> >

Planets/arudhas in the twelfth from lagna or AL are> sources of expenditure.>

The native begins to reject this

expenditure when> they are tired of giving.> They are tired of giving when the

lords of lagna and> twelfth (or AL and its> twelfth) are in a strained

relationship with each> other, as a result the> person cannot meet their

expenditure.> > > > Whilst the Upapada generally shows the attitude> towards

the spouse, Venus> shows the attitude towards all relationships. Thats> why you

will usually> find Venus in a dusthana from the AL in charts of> renunciates.> >

> > As for Mars in the twelfth, yes i mean> physical/intimate restraint.> >

Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > Email: <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>>

visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & >

<http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > _____ > >

> [] On> Behalf

Of Samir Shah> 27 April 2005 08:08> >

[Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th house> > > > || Om Krsna Guru ||>

> Dear Vistiji, Namaskar> > Thank you for your comments. I have a few

questions> following your multiple> comments on this thread. Forgive me if

they are> somewhat simple:> > 1. Can I infer from this that Venus in the 12th

is> likely to cause early> loss of the spouse, being 6th from the 7th house,>

but it need not> necessarily cause a strained marital relationship> (if the

lords are well> placed, so that giving to the spouse is not> unmanageable)?> >

2. Does Venus in the 12th deny or enhance> bed-pleasures? Having re-read> the

relevant part in COVA, it seems Sanjayji says> that karaka bhava nasa is> active

in this case (irrespective of chara> karakatwa), actually denying it.> Or does

it depend more on sign/lordship of Venus?> > 3. I'm trying to consolidate your

comments with> what Sanjayji says in COVA.> He says the 12th house shows the

things we lose> (perhaps unwillingly), while> the 12th from AL shows what we

'willingly' reject. > He says, for example,> that the Moon in the 12th (from

Lagna) causes> domestic affairs to go awry.> By extension of this, we could say

that Mercury in> the 12th would

make> educational affairs go awry.> > So while a person spends more time on the

karaktwas> of the planets in the> 12th from Lagna, they also encounter a lot

of> obstacles/loss with the same.> > > Meanwhile, the person does not spend a

lot of time> on the karaktwas of the> planets in the 12th from AL , rejecting

them (hence> Rahu in 12th is a> rejection of materialism). And sometimes the>

person/entity being rejected> doesn't like it, and this causes problems. Is

my> understanding correct?> > Just to verify: taking Jupiter in the 12th.

This> would be good for sleep,> meditation etc. But it can also mean the

native> will spend a lot of time on> their children, and perhaps affairs

related to> children will be somewhat> amiss. I hope that's the right way of

looking at> it?>

> 4. By virtue of the fact that it is the karaka for> meditation etc., am I>

correct in thinking that it will be beneficial for> these, even if it is a>

malefic?> > 5. Why does Mars in the 12th cause restraint in a> marital

relationship? Do> you mean physical/intimate restraint?> > 6. Regarding 12th

from AL. Could you explain the> difference in results> between (a) Venus in

12th from AL and (b) UL in 12th> from AL? I.e., what is> the difference

between the Karaka (naisargika) of a> person, and the pada of> the house

representing that person, being placed in> 12th from AL?> > I would be very

grateful for your guidance.> > Pranaam,> > Samir > > _____ > > "Visti

Larsen" <visti > Tue Apr 26, 2005 4:05 pm

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Venus in 12th> house > > > ||Hare Rama

Krsna||> > Dear Samir, Namaskar> > First lesson about Yogas; Benefics in the

second or> twelfth houses are good> as they cause Shubha yoga. This gives good

sleep and> good food, as if the> lagna has been cushioned by two big soft

pillows. > > Also; a planet in the twelfth house is an expense.> The native

spend alot of> time on the karakatva of the graha who is in the> twelfth house.

If Moon is> in the twelfth house, the person will not like to> leave mother and

their> home-land. If Mercury is there, then education/vidya> is never left idle

by> the native, etc. Malefics in the twelfth are not> good because of this.> >

Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > Email:

<visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com>> visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > Web:

<http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &> <http://astrovisti.com/>

http://astrovisti.com> > ***> > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the

decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare> Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> Great

who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for> animals.>

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one> free chart reading today >

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April 28, 2005

Mars in the 12th house.If in the house venus will cause extreme enjoyment.If it

happens to be house mercury the whole scenario will change.Mars in the 12th

look wheather its a agni rasi.Mars ruling the power of pleasure surely will do

more good if exalted or in companion with venus.The only blemish mars in 12th if

afflicted by malefic, will friction during intimate relation.