Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

May 19, 2005

Dear Visti and All,

I have been looking at planetary combinations that give denial of children

and adoption that are discussed in COVA-Chapter 5. Below is a list of

combinations/yogas for adoption and denial of children. Could you please look

over

this list and tell me if the list is accurate, or if any combinations/yogas have

been omitted? Please let me know if I need to make any corrections or

additions to this list. There are also three questions at the bottom of the

list.

Thank you in advance.

Best Wishes,

Susan

Denial of Children

1. Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th house (not in Cap/Aqu).

2. Jupiter in 5th house in own signs/exalted, or in Saturn's signs (Cap/Aqu).

(Pis/Sag limits children; Can/Cap/Aqu denies children.)

3. 6th lord conjoined or associated with 5th house or 5th lord.

4. Sun in 5th house limits number of children.

5. 5th lord Sun, Moon, or Jupiter in 8th house with malefics.

6. Rahu in Sag or Pisces.

7. Malefics in 12th house.

8. Saturn, Mars, or Mercury alone in trines to D-7 lagna.

9. In D-7, Ra/Ke in house of pregnancy. (Obstructs pregnancy or limits to one

child.)

10. D-7 lagna in 8th house. (Delay/denial of children due to disease.)

Adoption

1. 5th house or 5th lord associated with signs of Saturn or Mercury.

2. If 5th house is also conjoined or aspected by Saturn and Mandi, adoption

is due to denial of children.

3. If UL, 7th house, or 7th lord associates with Rahu, child is from spouse's

previous marriage.

Questions

1. Will Saturn alone in 5th house or aspecting 5th house deny children?

2. Will Saturn alone conjoined/aspecting 5th lord deny children?

3. COVA (Ch 5, p172) states that adoption is seen when "fifth house or lord

is associated with signs of Mercury or Saturn". Does this mean when the 5th

house or 5th lord is associated with signs of Saturn and Mercury, i.e. Cap, Aqu,

Gem, or Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in these signs? Or does this mean when

5th house or 5th lord are associated with Saturn or Mercury themselves? Or

both? Cap/Aqu in 5th house is said to be beneficial for having children, so

this seems to be contradictory. Does Gem or Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in Gem

or Virgo show adoption? Please explain.

Thank you so much for your help in answering these questions.

Best Wishes,

Susan

OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA

May 19, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Susan,

Namaskar

I dunno how

much you’ve been working on this list, but there are some typos in it,

which i’ve commented on below.

Also you

need to define which yogas cause miscarriages/abortion or those which prevent

pregnancies from happening all together. More below.

Best

wishes,

***

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19 May 2005 19:16

[Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

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10.0pt">Dear Visti and All,

I have been looking at planetary combinations that

give denial of children

and adoption that are discussed in COVA-Chapter

5. Below is a list of

combinations/yogas for adoption and denial of

children. Could you please look over

this list and tell me if the list is accurate, or

if any combinations/yogas have

been omitted? Please let me know if I need

to make any corrections or

additions to this list. There are also three

questions at the bottom of the list.

Thank you in advance.

Best Wishes,

Susan

Denial of Children

1. Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th

house (not in Cap/Aqu).

[Visti] This

yogas gives children not ones own according to Parasara. This can indicates

adoption, and should be seen from the fifth house. It can also be seen in the

ninth from upapada, which i find very accurate and is in line with what Parasara

and Jaimini advise. Adoption in the saptamsa is seen through Saturn and

mercury, as there its a question of whether you contributed to the physical act

of making babies or not.

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2. Jupiter in 5th house in own signs/exalted, or

in Saturn's signs (Cap/Aqu).

(Pis/Sag limits children;

Can/Cap/Aqu denies children.)

[Visti] Correction,

this doesn’t apply to Capricorn. When in Cancer or Aquarius, it can deny

altogether, whilst in Pis/Sag it can give very few surviving children. Never

take this for granted without analyzing d7.

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3. 6th lord conjoined or associated with 5th house

or 5th lord.

[Visti] This

is an indicator of miscarriage or abortion.

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4. Sun in 5th house limits number of children.

[Visti] Fiery

planets cause little progeny in the fifth house, whilst watery ones can give a lot.

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5. 5th lord Sun, Moon, or Jupiter in 8th house

with malefics.

[Visti] Sun

indicates the ability to cause procreation whilst Moon sustains the

pregnancies. Jupiter indicates the children themselves. But i wouldn’t

weigh their position in the eighth house very heavily, unless other factors are

also there in the chart.

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6. Rahu in Sag or Pisces.

[Visti] This

can indicate a curse.

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7. Malefics in 12th house.

[Visti] This

indicates lack of physical felicity in the couple.

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8. Saturn, Mars, or Mercury alone in trines to D-7

lagna.

[Visti] You

mean Saturn, Venus and Mercury all in trines to d7 lagna. Neither of them along

can deny children.

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9. In D-7, Ra/Ke in house of pregnancy. (Obstructs

pregnancy or limits to one

child.)[Visti] right.

10. D-7 lagna in 8th house. (Delay/denial of

children due to disease.)

[Visti] It

means that in matters of progeny the native would get ill.

Adoption

1. 5th house or 5th lord associated with signs of

Saturn or Mercury.

[Visti] I

only see this in D7 and with reference to the specific child only.

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2. If 5th house is also conjoined or aspected by

Saturn and Mandi, adoption

is due to denial of children.

3. If UL, 7th house, or 7th lord associates with

Rahu, child is from spouse's

previous marriage.

[Visti] seventh

house in navamsa must also support the above.

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Questions

1. Will Saturn alone in 5th house or aspecting 5th

house deny children?

[Visti] Never.

It just shows some sorrow (on account of delay) in having children.

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2. Will Saturn alone conjoined/aspecting 5th lord

deny children?

[Visti] Nope.

This instead can show that the children make you sad.

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3. COVA (Ch 5, p172) states that adoption is seen

when "fifth house or lord

is associated with signs of Mercury or

Saturn". Does this mean when the 5th

house or 5th lord is associated with signs of

Saturn and Mercury, i.e. Cap, Aqu,

Gem, or Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in these

signs? Or does this mean when

5th house or 5th lord are associated with Saturn

or Mercury themselves? Or

both? Cap/Aqu in 5th house is said to be

beneficial for having children, so

this seems to be contradictory. Does Gem or

Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in Gem

or Virgo show adoption? Please explain.

[Visti] Both

Saturn AND Mercury, in any way. But

BOTH must be involved. Mercury in the fifth in Cap or Aquarius is a very strong

indicator. Same goes for Saturn in fifth in Virgo or Gemini, but in both cases

it could show that maybe one or two of the children you have is adopted, and

maybe not all of them... Thats why this has to be seen in the saptamsa ALWAYS. Still

you can be very accurate with analyzing the ninth from upapada.

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Thank you so much for your help in answering these

questions.

Best Wishes,

Susan

OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA

~ om tat sat

~

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Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

May 21, 2005

Dear Visti,

i am enclosing a female horoscope. You have already seen this chart here while

in Mumbai. I am sending this to list as a real case example.

See that in D1 she has rahu in 5H virgo. In D7 lagna is Cap - an even house. So

counting backward, 5H is again virgo. the D7 has several problems

1. D7 lagna lord Sat and gulika is in virgo, she had to abort her 1st issue due

to medical problem. actually she was down with heavy fever and unaware that she

concieved - took heavy medication (gulika) and medical problem started.

2. 2nd is shown by Can where Jup & Rahu is there. Jup should bless and now as

per narayan dasa she is running Pi MD where 7th lord moon is in parivartana

with jup. But she is unable to conceive.

3. Now see that in D7 Sat in in Mer's house and has a parivartana with Mer

Does it mean that she has to first go for an adoption and then only she will get her own child?

Best wishes

jk

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenFriday, May

20, 2005 12:22 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Re: Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Susan, Namaskar

I dunno how much you’ve been working on this list, but there are some typos in

it, which i’ve commented on below.

Also you need to define which yogas cause miscarriages/abortion or those which

prevent pregnancies from happening all together. More below.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

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Behalf Of abalonemoon (AT) aol (DOT) comSent: 19 May 2005 19:16To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

Adoption and Denial of Children

Dear Visti and All,I have been looking at planetary combinations that give

denial of children and adoption that are discussed in COVA-Chapter 5. Below is

a list of combinations/yogas for adoption and denial of children. Could you

please look over this list and tell me if the list is accurate, or if any

combinations/yogas have been omitted? Please let me know if I need to make any

corrections or additions to this list. There are also three questions at the

bottom of the list.Thank you in advance.Best Wishes,SusanDenial of Children1.

Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th house (not in Cap/Aqu).

[Visti] This yogas gives children not ones own according to Parasara. This can

indicates adoption, and should be seen from the fifth house. It can also be

seen in the ninth from upapada, which i find very accurate and is in line with

what Parasara and Jaimini advise. Adoption in the saptamsa is seen through

Saturn and mercury, as there its a question of whether you contributed to the

physical act of making babies or not.

2. Jupiter in 5th house in own signs/exalted, or in Saturn's signs (Cap/Aqu).

(Pis/Sag limits children; Can/Cap/Aqu denies children.)

[Visti] Correction, this doesn’t apply to Capricorn. When in Cancer or Aquarius,

it can deny altogether, whilst in Pis/Sag it can give very few surviving

children. Never take this for granted without analyzing d7.

3. 6th lord conjoined or associated with 5th house or 5th lord.

[Visti] This is an indicator of miscarriage or abortion.

4. Sun in 5th house limits number of children.

[Visti] Fiery planets cause little progeny in the fifth house, whilst watery ones can give a lot.

5. 5th lord Sun, Moon, or Jupiter in 8th house with malefics.

[Visti] Sun indicates the ability to cause procreation whilst Moon sustains the

pregnancies. Jupiter indicates the children themselves. But i wouldn’t weigh

their position in the eighth house very heavily, unless other factors are also

there in the chart.

6. Rahu in Sag or Pisces.

[Visti] This can indicate a curse.

7. Malefics in 12th house.

[Visti] This indicates lack of physical felicity in the couple.

8. Saturn, Mars, or Mercury alone in trines to D-7 lagna.

[Visti] You mean Saturn, Venus and Mercury all in trines to d7 lagna. Neither of

them along can deny children.

9. In D-7, Ra/Ke in house of pregnancy. (Obstructs pregnancy or limits to one

child.)[Visti] right.10. D-7 lagna in 8th house. (Delay/denial of children due

to disease.)

[Visti] It means that in matters of progeny the native would get ill.Adoption1.

5th house or 5th lord associated with signs of Saturn or Mercury.

[Visti] I only see this in D7 and with reference to the specific child only.

2. If 5th house is also conjoined or aspected by Saturn and Mandi, adoption is

due to denial of children.3. If UL, 7th house, or 7th lord associates with

Rahu, child is from spouse's previous marriage.

[Visti] seventh house in navamsa must also support the above.

Questions1. Will Saturn alone in 5th house or aspecting 5th house deny children?

[Visti] Never. It just shows some sorrow (on account of delay) in having children.

2. Will Saturn alone conjoined/aspecting 5th lord deny children?

[Visti] Nope. This instead can show that the children make you sad.

3. COVA (Ch 5, p172) states that adoption is seen when "fifth house or lord is

associated with signs of Mercury or Saturn". Does this mean when the 5th house

or 5th lord is associated with signs of Saturn and Mercury, i.e. Cap, Aqu, Gem,

or Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in these signs? Or does this mean when 5th

house or 5th lord are associated with Saturn or Mercury themselves? Or both?

Cap/Aqu in 5th house is said to be beneficial for having children, so this

seems to be contradictory. Does Gem or Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in Gem or

Virgo show adoption? Please explain.

[Visti] Both Saturn AND Mercury, in any way. But BOTH must be involved. Mercury

in the fifth in Cap or Aquarius is a very strong indicator. Same goes for

Saturn in fifth in Virgo or Gemini, but in both cases it could show that maybe

one or two of the children you have is adopted, and maybe not all of them...

Thats why this has to be seen in the saptamsa ALWAYS. Still you can be very

accurate with analyzing the ninth from upapada.

Thank you so much for your help in answering these questions.Best Wishes,SusanOM

NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of

the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise

charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today ~ om tat sat

~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a

graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free

chart reading today

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May 21, 2005

In a message dated 5/19/05 12:56:48 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

visti writes:

<< Also you need to define which yogas cause miscarriages/abortion or those

which prevent pregnancies from happening all together. More below. >>

____________

Dear Visti,

Thanks so much for your comments and corrections to my list of yogas. This

is a good point. There is a big difference between yogas which cause

miscarriages or abortion, yogas that prevent pregnancy altogether, and yogas for

adoption. A person may not be able to have children but may also be unable to

adopt. So this is an important distinction to make. I will revise my list with

the corrections you have given me and be more specific about what situation the

yoga indicates.

Below are a few additional questions to clarify points that are still unclear

to me.

<<1. Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th house (not in Cap/Aqu).

[Visti] This yogas gives children not ones own according to Parasara. This

can indicate adoption, and should be seen from the fifth house.>>

So when Saturn and Mars aspect the 5th house in rasi chart, this indicates

adoption, rather than denial of children. COVA (p 171 ) also says: "If the 5th

house is Capricorn occupied by Saturn and Mars, the native has three

daughters. If, instead, this combination is in Aquarius in the 5th house, the

native

has five children, while in other signs children will be denied." Does denial

of children occur only when both Saturn and Mars conjoin in the 5th house,

whereas other aspects/associations indicate adoption?

<<It can also be seen in the ninth from upapada>>

So I should also be looking for this same Mars/Saturn yoga from the 9th from

UL in rasi chart to see adoption?

<<Saturn, Mars, or Mercury alone in trines to D-7 lagna.

[Visti] You mean Saturn, Venus and Mercury all in trines to d7 lagna. Neither

of them along can deny children.>>

Yes, you are right, this was a typo. I meant to type "Venus", not "Mars".

(I must have been tired!) So do Saturn, Venus, and Mercury all need to be in

separate trines to the D7 lagna or can two or even 3 be conjoined in the 1st,

5th or 9th house? If any other planet, (other than Saturn/Venus/Mercury), is

in trines to the D7 lagna along with them, does this break the yoga to deny

children?

<<If UL, 7th house, or 7th lord associates with Rahu, child is from spouse's

previous marriage.

[Visti] seventh house in navamsa must also support the above.>>

So 7th house in Navamsa should also have some association with Rahu or other

indication that the spouse had a previous marriage (widowed or divorced) from

which these children came.

<<6th lord conjoined or associated with 5th house or 5th lord.

[Visti] This is an indicator of miscarriage or abortion.>>

Will 6th lord association with Jupiter (as karaka for children) also indicate

miscarriage or abortion, or only if Jupiter is conjoined or associated with

the 5th house?

<<"fifth house or lord is associated with signs of Mercury or Saturn".

[Visti] Both Saturn AND Mercury, in any way. But BOTH must be involved.

Mercury in the fifth in Cap or Aquarius is a very strong indicator. Same

goes for Saturn in fifth in Virgo or Gemini, but in both cases it could show

that maybe one or two of the children you have is adopted, and maybe not all

of them... Thats why this has to be seen in the saptamsa ALWAYS. Still you

can be very accurate with analyzing the ninth from upapada.>>

OK. So let me make sure I am understanding this correctly. This yoga

applies only to the Saptamsa chart, and BOTH Saturn AND Mercury must have some

association with the 5th house or its lord. This association can be in ANY way,

including exchange of signs of Saturn or Mercury in the Saptamsa 5th house (as

per your example), OR by graha drishti and/or rashi drishti by both Saturn AND

Mercury on the 5th house or 5th lord, OR any combination thereof. Is graha

and/or rasi drishti of Saturn and Mars on the 5th house, without association of

Saturn's or Mercury's signs with the 5th house, sufficient to satisfy the

yoga? If both Saturn and Mercury are conjoined or aspecting the 5th lord, but

again, there is no sign association with the 5th house itself, does this satisfy

the yoga?

When looking at adoption of a specific child, does one look at the

associations of Saturn and Mercury with the house of pregnancy or its lord,

rather than

with the 5th house? It seems to me that this would specify which child will

be adopted. Am I right about this?

Thank you for the information about the ninth from the UL showing adoption.

When looking at the 9th from the UL, do the same yogas that apply to the 5th

house in the rasi chart, (for adoption, denial of children, miscarriage,

abortion, etc.), also apply to the 9th from the UL? I will start looking at 9th

from UL in charts.

Thanks so much for your corrections and for all your help. I will revise my

list incorporating your corrections and additions.

Best Wishes,

Susan

OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA

May 21, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear JK,

Namaskar

I can’t

see any indications of Adoption from the Rasi, so i wouldn’t lay much

weight to the Sat-merc yoga in D7. The first child didn’t survive due to

marakesh – Venus (tenth lord for women) placed in the house of the first

pregnancy. First pregnancy is over no doubt, and the second is indicated by the

seventh house, which i think will be a girl (see parivartana).

I hope

she’s doing the remedies that Guruji advised.

Best

wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com

bookman;color:#993366"> & http://astrovisti.com

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Behalf Of jk.dasgupta

21 May 2005 17:37

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Dear Visti,

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">i am enclosing a female horoscope. You

have already seen this chart here while in Mumbai. I am sending this to list as

a real case example.

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">See that in D1 she has rahu in 5H virgo.

In D7 lagna is Cap - an even house. So counting backward, 5H is again virgo.

the D7 has several problems

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">1. D7 lagna lord Sat and gulika is in

virgo, she had to abort her 1st issue due to medical problem. actually she was

down with heavy fever and unaware that she concieved - took heavy medication

(gulika) and medical problem started.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">2. 2nd is shown by Can where Jup &

Rahu is there. Jup should bless and now as per narayan dasa she is running Pi

MD where 7th lord moon is in parivartana with jup. But she is unable to

conceive.

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">3. Now see that in D7 Sat in in Mer's

house and has a parivartana with Mer

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Does it mean that she has to first go for

an adoption and then only she will get her own child?

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue">Best wishes

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[]On

Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Friday, May 20, 2005 12:22 AM

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Susan,

Namaskar

I dunno how

much you’ve been working on this list, but there are some typos in it,

which i’ve commented on below.

Also you need

to define which yogas cause miscarriages/abortion or those which prevent

pregnancies from happening all together. More below.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com

color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com

***

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[] On Behalf Of abalonemoon (AT) aol (DOT) com

19 May 2005 19:16

[Om Krishna

Guru] Re: Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Dear Visti and All,

I have been looking at planetary combinations that

give denial of children

and adoption that are discussed in COVA-Chapter 5.

Below is a list of

combinations/yogas for adoption and denial of

children. Could you please look over

this list and tell me if the list is accurate, or

if any combinations/yogas have

been omitted? Please let me know if I need

to make any corrections or

additions to this list. There are also three

questions at the bottom of the list.

Thank you in advance.

Best Wishes,

Susan

Denial of Children

1. Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th

house (not in Cap/Aqu).

[Visti]

This yogas gives children not ones own according to Parasara. This can

indicates adoption, and should be seen from the fifth house. It can also be

seen in the ninth from upapada, which i find very accurate and is in line with

what Parasara and Jaimini advise. Adoption in the saptamsa is seen through

Saturn and mercury, as there its a question of whether you contributed to the

physical act of making babies or not.

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2. Jupiter in 5th house in own signs/exalted, or

in Saturn's signs (Cap/Aqu).

(Pis/Sag limits children;

Can/Cap/Aqu denies children.)

[Visti]

Correction, this doesn’t apply to Capricorn. When in Cancer or Aquarius,

it can deny altogether, whilst in Pis/Sag it can give very few surviving

children. Never take this for granted without analyzing d7.

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3. 6th lord conjoined or associated with 5th house

or 5th lord.

[Visti]

This is an indicator of miscarriage or abortion.

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4. Sun in 5th house limits number of children.

[Visti]

Fiery planets cause little progeny in the fifth house, whilst watery ones can

give a lot.

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5. 5th lord Sun, Moon, or Jupiter in 8th house

with malefics.

[Visti] Sun

indicates the ability to cause procreation whilst Moon sustains the

pregnancies. Jupiter indicates the children themselves. But i wouldn’t

weigh their position in the eighth house very heavily, unless other factors are

also there in the chart.

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6. Rahu in Sag or Pisces.

[Visti]

This can indicate a curse.

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7. Malefics in 12th house.

[Visti]

This indicates lack of physical felicity in the couple.

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8. Saturn, Mars, or Mercury alone in trines to D-7

lagna.

[Visti] You

mean Saturn, Venus and Mercury all in trines to d7 lagna. Neither of them along

can deny children.

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9. In D-7, Ra/Ke in house of pregnancy. (Obstructs

pregnancy or limits to one

child.)[Visti] right.

10. D-7 lagna in 8th house. (Delay/denial of

children due to disease.)

[Visti] It

means that in matters of progeny the native would get ill.

Adoption

1. 5th house or 5th lord associated with signs of

Saturn or Mercury.

[Visti] I only

see this in D7 and with reference to the specific child only.

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2. If 5th house is also conjoined or aspected by

Saturn and Mandi, adoption

is due to denial of children.

3. If UL, 7th house, or 7th lord associates with

Rahu, child is from spouse's

previous marriage.

[Visti]

seventh house in navamsa must also support the above.

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Questions

1. Will Saturn alone in 5th house or aspecting 5th

house deny children?

[Visti]

Never. It just shows some sorrow (on account of delay) in having children.

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2. Will Saturn alone conjoined/aspecting 5th lord

deny children?

[Visti]

Nope. This instead can show that the children make you sad.

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3. COVA (Ch 5, p172) states that adoption is seen

when "fifth house or lord

is associated with signs of Mercury or

Saturn". Does this mean when the 5th

house or 5th lord is associated with signs of

Saturn and Mercury, i.e. Cap, Aqu,

Gem, or Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in these

signs? Or does this mean when

5th house or 5th lord are associated with Saturn

or Mercury themselves? Or

both? Cap/Aqu in 5th house is said to be

beneficial for having children, so

this seems to be contradictory. Does Gem or

Vir in 5th house or 5th lord in Gem

or Virgo show adoption? Please explain.

[Visti]

Both Saturn AND Mercury, in any

way. But BOTH must be involved. Mercury in the fifth in Cap or Aquarius is a

very strong indicator. Same goes for Saturn in fifth in Virgo or Gemini, but in

both cases it could show that maybe one or two of the children you have is

adopted, and maybe not all of them... Thats why this has to be seen in the

saptamsa ALWAYS. Still you can be very accurate with analyzing the ninth from

upapada.

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Thank you so much for your help in answering these

questions.

Best Wishes,

Susan

OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAYA

~ om tat sat

~

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Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

May 21, 2005

SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

Dear Visti & JK ji,

Namaste. Ketu is placed in 9th from UL in rasi chart.

Look at the nakshatra in which ketu is posited. Ketu

is placed in Revathi 1st pada while Vyatipata is all

placed in Revathi 1st pada. Now look at Subhapati

Rahu. He is placed in 5th house in the nakshatra Hasta

in 3rd pada. Parivesha is also posited in the same

nakshatra in the same pada.

Let us see the 5th lord Buda who is retrograde. He is

in parivarthana mood having exchanged signs with

retrograde Guru. Guru is in Sarpa shastyamsa.

Buda is in the nakshatra Moola ruled by Nirutti. Mars

in Aslesha and by that position he is influencing Buda

under the license of Nakshatra veda(Aslesha is

nakshatra veda to Moola). She is now running the age

of 28 which is the age(27,28) when Mars is activated.

Ninth lord Sani is in bandana.

She is right now running the Moola dasa of Moon who is

cause for Matru saapa and AD of Guru who is in Sarpa

shastyamsa. Guru is found to curse in D-7(Mars &

Rahu).

i hope all these factors been taken into account. Rest

in next as the mail has become lengthier.

Best wishes.

Astrologically & spiritually yours,

p.s.ramanarayanan.

--- Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear JK, Namaskar

>

> I can't see any indications of Adoption from the

> Rasi, so i wouldn't lay

> much weight to the Sat-merc yoga in D7. The first

> child didn't survive due

> to marakesh - Venus (tenth lord for women) placed in

> the house of the first

> pregnancy. First pregnancy is over no doubt, and the

> second is indicated by

> the seventh house, which i think will be a girl (see

> parivartana).

>

> I hope she's doing the remedies that Guruji advised.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti

> visti

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of jk.dasgupta

> 21 May 2005 17:37

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

> Adoption and Denial of

> Children

>

> Dear Visti,

>

> i am enclosing a female horoscope. You have already

> seen this chart here

> while in Mumbai. I am sending this to list as a real

> case example.

>

> See that in D1 she has rahu in 5H virgo. In D7 lagna

> is Cap - an even house.

> So counting backward, 5H is again virgo. the D7 has

> several problems

>

> 1. D7 lagna lord Sat and gulika is in virgo, she had

> to abort her 1st issue

> due to medical problem. actually she was down with

> heavy fever and unaware

> that she concieved - took heavy medication (gulika)

> and medical problem

> started.

>

> 2. 2nd is shown by Can where Jup & Rahu is there.

> Jup should bless and now

> as per narayan dasa she is running Pi MD where 7th

> lord moon is in

> parivartana with jup. But she is unable to conceive.

>

> 3. Now see that in D7 Sat in in Mer's house and has

> a parivartana with Mer

>

> Does it mean that she has to first go for an

> adoption and then only she will

> get her own child?

>

> Best wishes

>

> jk

>

> []On

> Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> Friday, May 20, 2005 12:22 AM

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

> Adoption and Denial of

> Children

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Susan, Namaskar

>

> I dunno how much you've been working on this list,

> but there are some typos

> in it, which i've commented on below.

>

> Also you need to define which yogas cause

> miscarriages/abortion or those

> which prevent pregnancies from happening all

> together. More below.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> Email: <visti

> visti

>

> Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of abalonemoon

> 19 May 2005 19:16

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

> Adoption and Denial of

> Children

>

> Dear Visti and All,

>

> I have been looking at planetary combinations that

> give denial of children

> and adoption that are discussed in COVA-Chapter 5.

> Below is a list of

> combinations/yogas for adoption and denial of

> children. Could you please

> look over

> this list and tell me if the list is accurate, or if

> any combinations/yogas

> have

> been omitted? Please let me know if I need to make

> any corrections or

> additions to this list. There are also three

> questions at the bottom of the

> list.

>

> Thank you in advance.

>

> Best Wishes,

>

> Susan

>

> Denial of Children

> 1. Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th house

> (not in Cap/Aqu).

>

> [Visti] This yogas gives children not ones own

> according to Parasara. This

> can indicates adoption, and should be seen from the

> fifth house. It can also

> be seen in the ninth from upapada, which i find very

> accurate and is in line

> with what Parasara and Jaimini advise. Adoption in

> the saptamsa is seen

> through Saturn and mercury, as there its a question

> of whether you

> contributed to the physical act of making babies or

> not.

>

> 2. Jupiter in 5th house in own signs/exalted, or in

> Saturn's signs

> (Cap/Aqu).

> (Pis/Sag limits children; Can/Cap/Aqu denies

> children.)

>

> [Visti] Correction, this doesn't apply to Capricorn.

> When in Cancer or

> Aquarius, it can deny altogether, whilst in Pis/Sag

> it can give very few

> surviving children. Never take this for granted

> without analyzing d7.

>

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May 21, 2005

Hi Vistiji:

In one of your reply you have mentione Ra/Ke in 5th house indicate

curse. Is it possible to find what that curse is?

Mahesh

On 5/22/05, rama narayanan <sree88ganesha wrote:

>

> SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM

> AUM GURUBYO NAMAH

>

> Dear Visti & JK ji,

>

> Namaste. Ketu is placed in 9th from UL in rasi chart.

> Look at the nakshatra in which ketu is posited. Ketu

> is placed in Revathi 1st pada while Vyatipata is all

> placed in Revathi 1st pada. Now look at Subhapati

> Rahu. He is placed in 5th house in the nakshatra Hasta

> in 3rd pada. Parivesha is also posited in the same

> nakshatra in the same pada.

>

> Let us see the 5th lord Buda who is retrograde. He is

> in parivarthana mood having exchanged signs with

> retrograde Guru. Guru is in Sarpa shastyamsa.

>

> Buda is in the nakshatra Moola ruled by Nirutti. Mars

> in Aslesha and by that position he is influencing Buda

> under the license of Nakshatra veda(Aslesha is

> nakshatra veda to Moola). She is now running the age

> of 28 which is the age(27,28) when Mars is activated.

>

> Ninth lord Sani is in bandana.

>

> She is right now running the Moola dasa of Moon who is

> cause for Matru saapa and AD of Guru who is in Sarpa

> shastyamsa. Guru is found to curse in D-7(Mars &

> Rahu).

>

> i hope all these factors been taken into account. Rest

> in next as the mail has become lengthier.

>

> Best wishes.

>

> Astrologically & spiritually yours,

> p.s.ramanarayanan.

>

> --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear JK, Namaskar

> >

> > I can't see any indications of Adoption from the

> > Rasi, so i wouldn't lay

> > much weight to the Sat-merc yoga in D7. The first

> > child didn't survive due

> > to marakesh - Venus (tenth lord for women) placed in

> > the house of the first

> > pregnancy. First pregnancy is over no doubt, and the

> > second is indicated by

> > the seventh house, which i think will be a girl (see

> > parivartana).

> >

> > I hope she's doing the remedies that Guruji advised.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > Email: <visti

> > visti

> >

> > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

>

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of jk.dasgupta

> > 21 May 2005 17:37

> >

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

> > Adoption and Denial of

> > Children

> >

> > Dear Visti,

> >

> > i am enclosing a female horoscope. You have already

> > seen this chart here

> > while in Mumbai. I am sending this to list as a real

> > case example.

> >

> > See that in D1 she has rahu in 5H virgo. In D7 lagna

> > is Cap - an even house.

> > So counting backward, 5H is again virgo. the D7 has

> > several problems

> >

> > 1. D7 lagna lord Sat and gulika is in virgo, she had

> > to abort her 1st issue

> > due to medical problem. actually she was down with

> > heavy fever and unaware

> > that she concieved - took heavy medication (gulika)

> > and medical problem

> > started.

> >

> > 2. 2nd is shown by Can where Jup & Rahu is there.

> > Jup should bless and now

> > as per narayan dasa she is running Pi MD where 7th

> > lord moon is in

> > parivartana with jup. But she is unable to conceive.

> >

> > 3. Now see that in D7 Sat in in Mer's house and has

> > a parivartana with Mer

> >

> > Does it mean that she has to first go for an

> > adoption and then only she will

> > get her own child?

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > jk

> >

> > []On

> > Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> > Friday, May 20, 2005 12:22 AM

> >

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

> > Adoption and Denial of

> > Children

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Susan, Namaskar

> >

> > I dunno how much you've been working on this list,

> > but there are some typos

> > in it, which i've commented on below.

> >

> > Also you need to define which yogas cause

> > miscarriages/abortion or those

> > which prevent pregnancies from happening all

> > together. More below.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > Email: <visti

> > visti

> >

> > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com &

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of abalonemoon

> > 19 May 2005 19:16

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about

> > Adoption and Denial of

> > Children

> >

> > Dear Visti and All,

> >

> > I have been looking at planetary combinations that

> > give denial of children

> > and adoption that are discussed in COVA-Chapter 5.

> > Below is a list of

> > combinations/yogas for adoption and denial of

> > children. Could you please

> > look over

> > this list and tell me if the list is accurate, or if

> > any combinations/yogas

> > have

> > been omitted? Please let me know if I need to make

> > any corrections or

> > additions to this list. There are also three

> > questions at the bottom of the

> > list.

> >

> > Thank you in advance.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> >

> > Susan

> >

> > Denial of Children

> > 1. Saturn and Mars conjoined or aspecting 5th house

> > (not in Cap/Aqu).

> >

> > [Visti] This yogas gives children not ones own

> > according to Parasara. This

> > can indicates adoption, and should be seen from the

> > fifth house. It can also

> > be seen in the ninth from upapada, which i find very

> > accurate and is in line

> > with what Parasara and Jaimini advise. Adoption in

> > the saptamsa is seen

> > through Saturn and mercury, as there its a question

> > of whether you

> > contributed to the physical act of making babies or

> > not.

> >

> > 2. Jupiter in 5th house in own signs/exalted, or in

> > Saturn's signs

> > (Cap/Aqu).

> > (Pis/Sag limits children; Can/Cap/Aqu denies

> > children.)

> >

> > [Visti] Correction, this doesn't apply to Capricorn.

> > When in Cancer or

> > Aquarius, it can deny altogether, whilst in Pis/Sag

> > it can give very few

> > surviving children. Never take this for granted

> > without analyzing d7.

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

> ______________________

> India Matrimony: Find your life partner online

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>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

>

> ________________________________

> Links

>

> /

>

May 22, 2005

Dear Visti,

Namaste. I understand that she is doing the remedies. In her D1 there is no sat

- mer direct conection, but both are in the stars ruled by ketu. Can we take

this as an indication of what is seen in her D7?

Best wishes

jk

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenSunday, May

22, 2005 2:23 AMSubject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru]

Re: Questions about Adoption and Denial of Children

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear JK, Namaskar

I can’t see any indications of Adoption from the Rasi, so i wouldn’t lay much

weight to the Sat-merc yoga in D7. The first child didn’t survive due to

marakesh – Venus (tenth lord for women) placed in the house of the first

pregnancy. First pregnancy is over no doubt, and the second is indicated by the

seventh house, which i think will be a girl (see parivartana).

I hope she’s doing the remedies that Guruji advised.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com

Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

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Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Questions about