#2 Vistiji- How can we save this Marriage gurudev

[Guest guest]

||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

 

Dear Ajay and List Members, Namaskaar.

 

Allow me to share some of my understanding, though the directed to Visti.

 

You may notice the period of Sade Sati underway and hence the person may be

feeling some pressure of responsibility, emotionally drained and less nurtured

compared to before. Shani Dev is ironing out the mind.

 

She will also be turning 36 this year, which is one of the natural years of the

said planet.

 

Here are the Natural years of planets, extracted from the "Crux of Vedic

Astrology", by Sanjay Rath (Sagar Publications).

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Years of affecting fortune

Graha Number Primary Secondary

Su 1 21,22 48,70

Mo 2 23,24 5,49

Ma 9 27,28 10,39

Me 5 31,32 20,54

Ju 3 30,34 24,56

Ve 6 25,26 6,52

Sa 8 35,36 39,82

Ra 4 41,42

 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

 

Regarding some pf your points below:

 

2. Venus in the natural 12th of Pisces is welcomed and in a classified state of

exaltation. Venus in the 12th Natal House could also simply indicate a purity in

love.

 

Also consider that Saturn is the Baadhakesh, and in this position is favored for

matters relating to obstacles. It is also the Yoga Karaka and the 2 said planets

have a natural conducive relationship.

 

For sustenance I would consider the 2nd from the Vyaya Pada (UL). This is in the

Natal 3rd House of Cancer with the Moon in it.

 

 

Rahu aspects it (100% graha drishti).

 

Rahu is the Chara AtmaKaraka and its Antar Dasha is running per Vimshottari. I

would not try to “solve the purpose of life” without understanding the role of

this. I see you have done this in one of your later points.

http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

 

 

In the 11th House, Rahu represents some of her hopes and aspirations in the

“laabha sthaana.” An evaluation of what life gives Vs. what is to be given is

under evaluation and reflection now.

 

3 / 4. If you are considering rivalry than look at ShatruPada (A6) in Cancer.

If you want to keep rivals low, one should eat on the day lorded by this planet.

This is Monday.

 

I’m not entirely sure I grasped the VirodhArgala. From what I see, if taking the

7th House as reference, then Venus and Saturn have Virodha Argala to Scorpio.

With this, one also has to see the Argala of the Sun from Gemini.

 

Also note that a planet having Argala on a house it naturally owns, the results

are usually forced from the Argala.

 

I would like to elaborate a little more on your observation of Venus in the 6th

in the D9 –

 

Venus is in Marana Karaka Sthaana in the Navamsa.

========================================

 

Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

 

34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the 7th, Saturn in the natal

star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the 8th, the Sun in the

12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an inimical house are each of

them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

========================================

 

5. I did not understand how malefics in the 4th represent being cheated in

marriage. Besides seeing the Chara AtmaKaraka here, I looked at the Rashi again

to see Rahu aspecting the Sun (Rashi Drishti) where the UL sits.

 

The person may have a heavy heart, but there is an aspect of Jupiter on the 4th

in Navamsa.

 

6. Per Jaimini, the Sun reflects Dharma and good when it comes to the UL. It is

not considered a krura graham (malefic planet) for this reason.

 

7. Too generic – it seems you are implying that every lady who has been married

and Fathered a child (Jupiter) will have a poor relationship. Check Sun’s Rashi

Drishti as well.

 

8.Ketu represents the headless, not Rahu. Rather – Rahu represents the 5

material senses amongst others. This is the “head” that was cut off…

 

 

9. I would consider examining the Quadrants to the UL to see who supports it.

 

10. Counting from the Karakamsa to the Navamsa Lagna we get 10. The Karma Bhaava

is where there will be some challenges / blessings for the lady.

[Also see link provided above.]

 

7th from Karakamsa reveals Ketu, the Moksha Karaka. This is again in the Karma

Bhava.

 

May the Gurus continue to guide us.

 

Best wishes and warm regards,

Nitin.

 

|| Namah Shivaaya ||

 

 

 

 

======================

 

Dear Gurudev Visti Ji,

 

Pranaam

 

This the same native who are in trouble with her husband. She is

insisting on divorce, but some how I have a feeling we can save this

marrige.

 

Gurudev Please comment on the assesment. I tend to go overboard

sometime.

 

 

 

Natal Chart

 

June 18, 1969

Time: 4:00:00 am

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00"

New Delhi, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

 

 

 

 

1. 7th house scorpion, lord Mars is in his own house making the

married life troublesome for the native.

 

2. Lagna lord is Venus posited in 12th house of loss, so its

mode of working will be colored by working of 12th house. Lagna lord

is deposited by Mars which is lord of 7th house indicate the loss of

relationship. 12th house also rules bed pleasures (Important for

sustenance of married life) and Lagnesh association with Saturn have

adverse effect on it. 7th house have Rashi Drishti by 12th house

with Saturn and Venus in it

 

3. 12th house from 7th house is ruled by Venus, having virodh

argala on 7th house, signify lot of enemies and loss through enemies.

In D-9 Venus is gone to 6th house only.

 

4. Mars in D-9 is again gone to 7th house with Sun, which is in

UL in Rashi. Here, Mars is deposited by Venus, which is gone to 6th

house again indicating loss in relationship through enemy.

 

5. Malefic in 4th in Navmasa indicate native may be cheated in

Marriage. In D-9, Rahu and Saturn reducing the happiness in

relationship by being in 4th house.

 

6. If we see UL, Sun is natural malefic, being lord of 4th

placed in UL and 2nd from the lagna is not encouraging position for

it as it also influence 7th house by being 4th from 4th. Saturn and

Mars fully aspect UL and Sun in it by third and eight aspect

respectively.

 

7. Jupiter is the karaka for husband is lord of 8th house

(giving bad result) and 11th house with Rahu in it.

 

8. She is currently running Ketu-Rahu anterdasa, which are

karmic planets and native does not have much of freewill during dasa

of nodes. I also understand that native's nature is argumentative.

She herself is to an extent give birth to this trouble. Lord of 12th

in 7th indicates this nature. Rahu is in 12th from Paka Lagan that is

in 11th house (also 12th from Venus, natural significator of 7th

house) shows she reacts aggressively (without head) to the matter

regarding spouse. Lack of co-ordination between thought and action.

 

9. 7th from Paka lagna is 6th house lorded by Venus. To be noted

that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have Jupiter and Ketu and Rahu

aspect the Jupiter, both by Rashi Drishti and Graha Drishti. This

shows her friends in a way act as an enemy to this relationship by

giving her feedback, which is supportive of her actions taken against

this relationship.

 

10. Mars, Venus and Rahu seem to be three planets in control of

the situation in horoscope. Rahu's importance increase as it is

atamkarak, 7th from AK in Navmasa (D-9) is UL with Ketu, indicate

strong desire to work in the area of relationship and to be free from

the issues and bad karma accumulated during previous births by

maintaining a balance between professional and personal goal.

 

 

Remedies

 

Ista deveta is Mercury in lagna associated with A9 which is Dharam

pada. Dharam Deveta is Jupiter itself. May be Vaman Avatar,

specifically Dharam Gayatri can benefit her intellect.

 

Will Fasting on 2nd from UL help? That is Mondays

 

 

Gurudev, Please suggest how can we save her marriage. Because I have

an intuition that she will commit a mistake if she go for a break up.

For the reason that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have Jupiter with

Ketu and lord of Paka Lagan Spatama is in 12th house with Saturn.

Every time she call up insist that she want to have divorce but I

delay her decision purposely because if she can strike a balance in

this lifetime she may solve the purpose of her life.

 

 

 

Pranaam

 

Ajay

[Guest guest]

Dear Nitin, Pranaam,

 

Thanks for your valued comments.

 

I will appriciate if Visti ji can put some light on the issue with

some possible remedies. I would like to understand his perespective

also on this.

 

 

Pranaam

 

 

 

Ajay

 

 

, "Nitin" <sjvc@j...> wrote:

>

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

>

> Dear Ajay and List Members, Namaskaar.

>

> Allow me to share some of my understanding, though the directed to

Visti.

>

> You may notice the period of Sade Sati underway and hence the

person may be feeling some pressure of responsibility, emotionally

drained and less nurtured compared to before. Shani Dev is ironing

out the mind.

>

> She will also be turning 36 this year, which is one of the natural

years of the said planet.

>

> Here are the Natural years of planets, extracted from the "Crux of

Vedic Astrology", by Sanjay Rath (Sagar Publications).

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Years of affecting fortune

> Graha Number Primary Secondary

> Su 1 21,22 48,70

> Mo 2 23,24 5,49

> Ma 9 27,28 10,39

> Me 5 31,32 20,54

> Ju 3 30,34 24,56

> Ve 6 25,26 6,52

> Sa 8 35,36 39,82

> Ra 4 41,42

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Regarding some pf your points below:

>

> 2. Venus in the natural 12th of Pisces is welcomed and in a

classified state of exaltation. Venus in the 12th Natal House could

also simply indicate a purity in love.

>

> Also consider that Saturn is the Baadhakesh, and in this position

is favored for matters relating to obstacles. It is also the Yoga

Karaka and the 2 said planets have a natural conducive relationship.

>

> For sustenance I would consider the 2nd from the Vyaya Pada (UL).

This is in the Natal 3rd House of Cancer with the Moon in it.

>

>

> Rahu aspects it (100% graha drishti).

>

> Rahu is the Chara AtmaKaraka and its Antar Dasha is running per

Vimshottari. I would not try to "solve the purpose of life" without

understanding the role of this. I see you have done this in one of

your later points.

> http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

>

>

> In the 11th House, Rahu represents some of her hopes and

aspirations in the "laabha sthaana." An evaluation of what life gives

Vs. what is to be given is under evaluation and reflection now.

>

> 3 / 4. If you are considering rivalry than look at ShatruPada (A6)

in Cancer. If you want to keep rivals low, one should eat on the day

lorded by this planet. This is Monday.

>

> I'm not entirely sure I grasped the VirodhArgala. From what I see,

if taking the 7th House as reference, then Venus and Saturn have

Virodha Argala to Scorpio. With this, one also has to see the Argala

of the Sun from Gemini.

>

> Also note that a planet having Argala on a house it naturally owns,

the results are usually forced from the Argala.

>

> I would like to elaborate a little more on your observation of

Venus in the 6th in the D9 –

>

> Venus is in Marana Karaka Sthaana in the Navamsa.

> ========================================

>

> Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

>

> 34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the 7th, Saturn in the

natal

> star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the 8th, the Sun in the

> 12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an inimical house are each of

> them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

> ========================================

>

> 5. I did not understand how malefics in the 4th represent being

cheated in marriage. Besides seeing the Chara AtmaKaraka here, I

looked at the Rashi again to see Rahu aspecting the Sun (Rashi

Drishti) where the UL sits.

>

> The person may have a heavy heart, but there is an aspect of

Jupiter on the 4th in Navamsa.

>

> 6. Per Jaimini, the Sun reflects Dharma and good when it comes

to the UL. It is not considered a krura graham (malefic planet) for

this reason.

>

> 7. Too generic – it seems you are implying that every lady who has

been married and Fathered a child (Jupiter) will have a poor

relationship. Check Sun's Rashi Drishti as well.

>

> 8.Ketu represents the headless, not Rahu. Rather – Rahu represents

the 5 material senses amongst others. This is the "head" that was cut

off…

>

>

> 9. I would consider examining the Quadrants to the UL to see who

supports it.

>

> 10. Counting from the Karakamsa to the Navamsa Lagna we get 10. The

Karma Bhaava is where there will be some challenges / blessings for

the lady.

> [Also see link provided above.]

>

> 7th from Karakamsa reveals Ketu, the Moksha Karaka. This is again

in the Karma Bhava.

>

> May the Gurus continue to guide us.

>

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Nitin.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

>

>

> ======================

>

> Dear Gurudev Visti Ji,

>

> Pranaam

>

> This the same native who are in trouble with her husband. She is

> insisting on divorce, but some how I have a feeling we can save

this

> marrige.

>

> Gurudev Please comment on the assesment. I tend to go overboard

> sometime.

>

>

>

> Natal Chart

>

> June 18, 1969

> Time: 4:00:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00"

> New Delhi, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

>

>

>

> 1. 7th house scorpion, lord Mars is in his own house making the

> married life troublesome for the native.

>

> 2. Lagna lord is Venus posited in 12th house of loss, so its

> mode of working will be colored by working of 12th house. Lagna

lord

> is deposited by Mars which is lord of 7th house indicate the loss

of

> relationship. 12th house also rules bed pleasures (Important for

> sustenance of married life) and Lagnesh association with Saturn

have

> adverse effect on it. 7th house have Rashi Drishti by 12th house

> with Saturn and Venus in it

>

> 3. 12th house from 7th house is ruled by Venus, having virodh

> argala on 7th house, signify lot of enemies and loss through

enemies.

> In D-9 Venus is gone to 6th house only.

>

> 4. Mars in D-9 is again gone to 7th house with Sun, which is in

> UL in Rashi. Here, Mars is deposited by Venus, which is gone to 6th

> house again indicating loss in relationship through enemy.

>

> 5. Malefic in 4th in Navmasa indicate native may be cheated in

> Marriage. In D-9, Rahu and Saturn reducing the happiness in

> relationship by being in 4th house.

>

> 6. If we see UL, Sun is natural malefic, being lord of 4th

> placed in UL and 2nd from the lagna is not encouraging position for

> it as it also influence 7th house by being 4th from 4th. Saturn and

> Mars fully aspect UL and Sun in it by third and eight aspect

> respectively.

>

> 7. Jupiter is the karaka for husband is lord of 8th house

> (giving bad result) and 11th house with Rahu in it.

>

> 8. She is currently running Ketu-Rahu anterdasa, which are

> karmic planets and native does not have much of freewill during

dasa

> of nodes. I also understand that native's nature is argumentative.

> She herself is to an extent give birth to this trouble. Lord of

12th

> in 7th indicates this nature. Rahu is in 12th from Paka Lagan that

is

> in 11th house (also 12th from Venus, natural significator of 7th

> house) shows she reacts aggressively (without head) to the matter

> regarding spouse. Lack of co-ordination between thought and action.

>

> 9. 7th from Paka lagna is 6th house lorded by Venus. To be noted

> that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have Jupiter and Ketu and Rahu

> aspect the Jupiter, both by Rashi Drishti and Graha Drishti. This

> shows her friends in a way act as an enemy to this relationship by

> giving her feedback, which is supportive of her actions taken

against

> this relationship.

>

> 10. Mars, Venus and Rahu seem to be three planets in control of

> the situation in horoscope. Rahu's importance increase as it is

> atamkarak, 7th from AK in Navmasa (D-9) is UL with Ketu, indicate

> strong desire to work in the area of relationship and to be free

from

> the issues and bad karma accumulated during previous births by

> maintaining a balance between professional and personal goal.

>

>

> Remedies

>

> Ista deveta is Mercury in lagna associated with A9 which is Dharam

> pada. Dharam Deveta is Jupiter itself. May be Vaman Avatar,

> specifically Dharam Gayatri can benefit her intellect.

>

> Will Fasting on 2nd from UL help? That is Mondays

>

>

> Gurudev, Please suggest how can we save her marriage. Because I

have

> an intuition that she will commit a mistake if she go for a break

up.

> For the reason that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have Jupiter with

> Ketu and lord of Paka Lagan Spatama is in 12th house with Saturn.

> Every time she call up insist that she want to have divorce but I

> delay her decision purposely because if she can strike a balance in

> this lifetime she may solve the purpose of her life.

>

>

>

> Pranaam

>

> Ajay

[Guest guest]

Dear Nitin, Pranaam,

 

Thanks for your valued comments.

 

I will appriciate if Visti ji can put some light on the issue with

some possible remedies. I would like to understand his perespective

also on this.

 

Nitin,

 

First, I Agree Venus is exalted in natural Piscean 12th house but one

should not forget Pleasure of bed and its denial because of

separation or spiritual practices are seen from 12th house. The

rule "karaka bhava nasa" may apply here specially when natural

significator of marriage Venus is lord of 6th or 12th, this causes

vipreet yoga but can lead to loss of spouse.

 

 

Second, Nitin ji, thanks for your reference on AK. Here I would like

to put across my comments that in my opinion as an astrologer ones

goal should be not only to suggest the ways and mean to combat and

bring clarity to the circumstances which one come face to face in

life, but also to look for over all growth opportunity for the native

as an soul. I think otherwise we will just become the customer care

office. So my concern is always there, when somebody come in contact

with me for guidance. But you are also right in saying that one

should fully understand the role of this before venturing out on this

line. I think that is why I put across this sort of question to

gurudev Visti ji, so that one can understand their deeper meaning.

 

In this case you can notice that 12th house is also the house of

undoing. It can show tremendous misfortune whereby one is punished

for his past Karmas. 4th, 8th, and 12th shows the state of the person

in his last period, time of death and after death respectively.

Saturn in 12th can show the punishment which is 12th house affair.

Saturn attached with 12th house can show the loss from secret enemies

or loss of sleep. On the other side badhekesh give good result in

12th, which is also Saturn. I would like to understand this aspect

from Gurudev about functioning of this planet in this case. It also

become important since it joins AK in D-9.

 

 

Third, on the influence of 4th house malefic, Nitin ji, 4th and 8th

house are trine to 12th house. That is why they influence the matter

of 12th house to great extent. If there are malefic in 4th it can

give disturbed domestic affair. But in D-9 4th from the Paka lagan

shows native being cheated in marriage or feel cheated. If Venus is

strong and 12th lord is strong and than it can indicate foreign

affair and change of residence. In case of malefic in 4th decision

would be because of unharmonious domestic environment and if malefic

in 8th than decision would be based on health.

 

 

Pranaam

 

 

 

Ajay

 

 

 

 

, "Nitin" <sjvc@j...> wrote:

>

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna |||

>

> Dear Ajay and List Members, Namaskaar.

>

> Allow me to share some of my understanding, though the directed to

Visti.

>

> You may notice the period of Sade Sati underway and hence the

person may be feeling some pressure of responsibility, emotionally

drained and less nurtured compared to before. Shani Dev is ironing

out the mind.

>

> She will also be turning 36 this year, which is one of the natural

years of the said planet.

>

> Here are the Natural years of planets, extracted from the "Crux of

Vedic Astrology", by Sanjay Rath (Sagar Publications).

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Years of affecting fortune

> Graha Number Primary Secondary

> Su 1 21,22 48,70

> Mo 2 23,24 5,49

> Ma 9 27,28 10,39

> Me 5 31,32 20,54

> Ju 3 30,34 24,56

> Ve 6 25,26 6,52

> Sa 8 35,36 39,82

> Ra 4 41,42

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Regarding some pf your points below:

>

> 2. Venus in the natural 12th of Pisces is welcomed and in a

classified state of exaltation. Venus in the 12th Natal House could

also simply indicate a purity in love.

>

> Also consider that Saturn is the Baadhakesh, and in this position

is favored for matters relating to obstacles. It is also the Yoga

Karaka and the 2 said planets have a natural conducive relationship.

>

> For sustenance I would consider the 2nd from the Vyaya Pada (UL).

This is in the Natal 3rd House of Cancer with the Moon in it.

>

>

> Rahu aspects it (100% graha drishti).

>

> Rahu is the Chara AtmaKaraka and its Antar Dasha is running per

Vimshottari. I would not try to "solve the purpose of life" without

understanding the role of this. I see you have done this in one of

your later points.

> http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

>

>

> In the 11th House, Rahu represents some of her hopes and

aspirations in the "laabha sthaana." An evaluation of what life gives

Vs. what is to be given is under evaluation and reflection now.

>

> 3 / 4. If you are considering rivalry than look at ShatruPada (A6)

in Cancer. If you want to keep rivals low, one should eat on the day

lorded by this planet. This is Monday.

>

> I'm not entirely sure I grasped the VirodhArgala. From what I see,

if taking the 7th House as reference, then Venus and Saturn have

Virodha Argala to Scorpio. With this, one also has to see the Argala

of the Sun from Gemini.

>

> Also note that a planet having Argala on a house it naturally owns,

the results are usually forced from the Argala.

>

> I would like to elaborate a little more on your observation of

Venus in the 6th in the D9 –

>

> Venus is in Marana Karaka Sthaana in the Navamsa.

> ========================================

>

> Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

>

> 34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the 7th, Saturn in the

natal

> star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the 8th, the Sun in the

> 12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an inimical house are each of

> them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

> ========================================

>

> 5. I did not understand how malefics in the 4th represent being

cheated in marriage. Besides seeing the Chara AtmaKaraka here, I

looked at the Rashi again to see Rahu aspecting the Sun (Rashi

Drishti) where the UL sits.

>

> The person may have a heavy heart, but there is an aspect of

Jupiter on the 4th in Navamsa.

>

> 6. Per Jaimini, the Sun reflects Dharma and good when it comes

to the UL. It is not considered a krura graham (malefic planet) for

this reason.

>

> 7. Too generic – it seems you are implying that every lady who has

been married and Fathered a child (Jupiter) will have a poor

relationship. Check Sun's Rashi Drishti as well.

>

> 8.Ketu represents the headless, not Rahu. Rather – Rahu represents

the 5 material senses amongst others. This is the "head" that was cut

off…

>

>

> 9. I would consider examining the Quadrants to the UL to see who

supports it.

>

> 10. Counting from the Karakamsa to the Navamsa Lagna we get 10. The

Karma Bhaava is where there will be some challenges / blessings for

the lady.

> [Also see link provided above.]

>

> 7th from Karakamsa reveals Ketu, the Moksha Karaka. This is again

in the Karma Bhava.

>

> May the Gurus continue to guide us.

>

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Nitin.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

>

>

> ======================

>

> Dear Gurudev Visti Ji,

>

> Pranaam

>

> This the same native who are in trouble with her husband. She is

> insisting on divorce, but some how I have a feeling we can save

this

> marrige.

>

> Gurudev Please comment on the assesment. I tend to go overboard

> sometime.

>

>

>

> Natal Chart

>

> June 18, 1969

> Time: 4:00:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N 36' 00"

> New Delhi, India

> Altitude: 0.00 meters

>

>

>

>

> 1. 7th house scorpion, lord Mars is in his own house making the

> married life troublesome for the native.

>

> 2. Lagna lord is Venus posited in 12th house of loss, so its

> mode of working will be colored by working of 12th house. Lagna

lord

> is deposited by Mars which is lord of 7th house indicate the loss

of

> relationship. 12th house also rules bed pleasures (Important for

> sustenance of married life) and Lagnesh association with Saturn

have

> adverse effect on it. 7th house have Rashi Drishti by 12th house

> with Saturn and Venus in it

>

> 3. 12th house from 7th house is ruled by Venus, having virodh

> argala on 7th house, signify lot of enemies and loss through

enemies.

> In D-9 Venus is gone to 6th house only.

>

> 4. Mars in D-9 is again gone to 7th house with Sun, which is in

> UL in Rashi. Here, Mars is deposited by Venus, which is gone to 6th

> house again indicating loss in relationship through enemy.

>

> 5. Malefic in 4th in Navmasa indicate native may be cheated in

> Marriage. In D-9, Rahu and Saturn reducing the happiness in

> relationship by being in 4th house.

>

> 6. If we see UL, Sun is natural malefic, being lord of 4th

> placed in UL and 2nd from the lagna is not encouraging position for

> it as it also influence 7th house by being 4th from 4th. Saturn and

> Mars fully aspect UL and Sun in it by third and eight aspect

> respectively.

>

> 7. Jupiter is the karaka for husband is lord of 8th house

> (giving bad result) and 11th house with Rahu in it.

>

> 8. She is currently running Ketu-Rahu anterdasa, which are

> karmic planets and native does not have much of freewill during

dasa

> of nodes. I also understand that native's nature is argumentative.

> She herself is to an extent give birth to this trouble. Lord of

12th

> in 7th indicates this nature. Rahu is in 12th from Paka Lagan that

is

> in 11th house (also 12th from Venus, natural significator of 7th

> house) shows she reacts aggressively (without head) to the matter

> regarding spouse. Lack of co-ordination between thought and action.

>

> 9. 7th from Paka lagna is 6th house lorded by Venus. To be noted

> that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have Jupiter and Ketu and Rahu

> aspect the Jupiter, both by Rashi Drishti and Graha Drishti. This

> shows her friends in a way act as an enemy to this relationship by

> giving her feedback, which is supportive of her actions taken

against

> this relationship.

>

> 10. Mars, Venus and Rahu seem to be three planets in control of

> the situation in horoscope. Rahu's importance increase as it is

> atamkarak, 7th from AK in Navmasa (D-9) is UL with Ketu, indicate

> strong desire to work in the area of relationship and to be free

from

> the issues and bad karma accumulated during previous births by

> maintaining a balance between professional and personal goal.

>

>

> Remedies

>

> Ista deveta is Mercury in lagna associated with A9 which is Dharam

> pada. Dharam Deveta is Jupiter itself. May be Vaman Avatar,

> specifically Dharam Gayatri can benefit her intellect.

>

> Will Fasting on 2nd from UL help? That is Mondays

>

>

> Gurudev, Please suggest how can we save her marriage. Because I

have

> an intuition that she will commit a mistake if she go for a break

up.

> For the reason that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have Jupiter with

> Ketu and lord of Paka Lagan Spatama is in 12th house with Saturn.

> Every time she call up insist that she want to have divorce but I

> delay her decision purposely because if she can strike a balance in

> this lifetime she may solve the purpose of her life.

>

>

>

> Pranaam

>

> Ajay

[Guest guest]

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ajay

and Nitin, Namaskar

There are

two detailed analysis of this mail. Thats alot of time required from me, and i’m

glad that Nitin has responded. Nevertheless i’m also going to take the

opportunity to give Nitin some of my time which we both have been without.

I have made

some comments below. I too believe this can be saved and the problem is due to

Rahu antara dasa having graha dristi on the second from UL. Comments below.

Best

wishes,

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<sjvc@j...> wrote:

>

> ||| Hare Rama Krishna

|||

>

> Dear Ajay and List Members, Namaskaar.

>

> Allow me to share some of my understanding,

though the directed to

Visti.

>

> You may notice the period of Sade Sati

underway and hence the

person may be feeling some pressure of

responsibility, emotionally

drained and less nurtured compared to before.

Shani Dev is ironing

out the mind.

[Visti] Great 

- now see that Saturn has been in Gemini transiting the upapada for aaaalll

this time! Saturn is going to enter the A7 and now all the affairs that either she

or the husband has been having are going to come into the open and those people

will be in a tough situation. Sade Sathi will be starting in the navamsa (moon

in leo navamsa).

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> She will also be turning 36 this year, which

is one of the natural

years of the said planet.

>

[Visti] So

Saturn will let go abit more of his malignant grip in her life. However that

same Saturn is causing a grand vipareet räjya yoga, but being joined Venus

means that the relationships can suffer. So Saturn will be letting abit more go

of Venus which is good. When is she going abroad?

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> Here are the Natural years of planets,

extracted from the "Crux of

Vedic Astrology", by Sanjay Rath (Sagar

Publications).

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Years of affecting fortune

> Graha Number Primary Secondary

> Su 1 21,22 48,70

> Mo 2 23,24 5,49

> Ma 9 27,28 10,39

> Me 5 31,32 20,54

> Ju 3 30,34 24,56

> Ve 6 25,26 6,52

> Sa 8 35,36 39,82

> Ra 4 41,42

>

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Regarding some pf your points below:

>

> 2. Venus in the natural 12th of Pisces is

welcomed and in a

classified state of exaltation. Venus in the 12th

Natal House could

also simply indicate a purity in love.

>

> Also consider that Saturn is the Baadhakesh,

and in this position

is favored for matters relating to obstacles. It

is also the Yoga

Karaka and the 2 said planets have a natural

conducive relationship.

 

[Visti] Its

preferable that Saturn when in the twelfth does not join any planets, otherwise

he causes problems to that particular planet. Here Lagnesh joined Badhakesh has

caused Dristi Badhaka, and people are very jealous of her and her life, and

thats why they try to steal away her husband.

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> For sustenance I would consider the 2nd from

the Vyaya Pada (UL).

This is in the Natal 3rd House of Cancer with the Moon

in it.

>

>

> Rahu aspects it (100% graha drishti).

>

> Rahu is the Chara AtmaKaraka and its Antar

Dasha is running per

Vimshottari. I would not try to "solve

the purpose of life" without

understanding the role of this. I see you have

done this in one of

your later points.

> http://www..org/learn/ck.htm

>

>

> In the 11th House, Rahu represents some of

her hopes and

aspirations in the "laabha sthaana." An

evaluation of what life gives

Vs. what is to be given is under evaluation and

reflection now.

[Visti] eleventh

house means ‘she’s aspiring to gain something’. This could be

the hope of getting alot of money or particularly redeeming her name and

reputation because Rahu is in the arudha lagna. Now how is she hoping this will

happen? Rahu has graha dristi on the second from upapada, so this must happen

through divorce. Fasting must always be done on the upapada days.

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> 3 / 4. If you are considering rivalry than

look at ShatruPada (A6)

in Cancer. If you want to keep rivals low,

one should eat on the day

lorded by this planet. This is Monday.

>

[Visti] Well...

i never advise the eating-bit. Take a case where A6 and UL are in the same

house... what would you advise? Then you realize that its better to give than

to fight.

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> I'm not entirely sure I grasped the

VirodhArgala. From what I see,

if taking the 7th House as reference, then Venus

and Saturn have

Virodha Argala to Scorpio. With this, one also has

to see the Argala

of the Sun from Gemini.

>

> Also note that a planet having Argala on a

house it naturally owns,

the results are usually forced from the Argala.

>

[Visti] What

do you wanto know?

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> I would like to elaborate a little more on

your observation of

Venus in the 6th in the D9 –

>

> Venus is in Marana Karaka Sthaana in the Navamsa.

> ========================================

>

> Jataka Parijata chapter 17 Kalachakra Dasa

>

> 34-36. Jupiter in the 3rd house, Mars in the

7th, Saturn in the

natal

> star, Rahu in the 9th house, the Moon in the

8th, the Sun in the

> 12th, Mercury in the 7th and Venus in an

inimical house are each of

> them (Maranastthana) or death occasioners.

> ========================================

>

[Visti] Shatrubhava

means sixth house, whilst shatrurasi is inimical sign.

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> 5. I did not

understand how malefics in the 4th represent being

cheated in marriage. Besides seeing the Chara

AtmaKaraka here, I

looked at the Rashi again to see Rahu aspecting

the Sun (Rashi

Drishti) where the UL sits.

>

[Visti] malefics

in the fourth causes kapata yoga, i.e. being cheated. In navamsa this happens

in marriage.

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> The person may have a heavy heart, but there

is an aspect of

Jupiter on the 4th in Navamsa.

>

[Visti] Good,

so not everyone will try to cheat her.

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> 6. Per Jaimini,

the Sun reflects Dharma and good when it comes

to the UL. It is not considered a krura graham

(malefic planet) for

this reason.

>

[Visti] Well,

Sun is good for sustaining the marriage, i.e. being placed in the second from

UL, but in the UL it can make the spouse very arrogant by nature. The benefit

is that he may belong to some sort of temple. The spouse will like to read, and

be very knowledgeable, but also very arrogant.

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> 7. Too generic – it seems you are

implying that every lady who has

been married and Fathered a child (Jupiter) will have

a poor

relationship. Check Sun's Rashi Drishti as well.

>

> 8.Ketu represents the headless, not Rahu.

Rather – Rahu represents

the 5 material senses amongst others. This is the

"head" that was cut

off…

>

[Visti] Right,

thats why this native has suddenly seen an opportunity to earn some sort of

gain from this. Normally Rahu as AK never cheats, but they surely do not like

to be cheated either. In this case the native is not acting very spiritual. Infact

i believe that she has found someone else, but will not proceed until the

marriage is over – thats the dharmic thing to do, but her intentions are

wrong.

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> 9. I would consider examining the Quadrants

to the UL to see who

supports it.

>

[Visti] Remember

that the seventh from UL shows those who obstruct the marriage.

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> 10. Counting from the Karakamsa to the

Navamsa Lagna we get 10. The

Karma Bhaava is where there will be some

challenges / blessings for

the lady.

> [Also see link provided above.]

>

[Visti] It

means that the native has a hidden desire/motive to become a successful career

woman.

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> 7th from Karakamsa reveals Ketu, the Moksha

Karaka. This is again

in the Karma Bhava.

>

[Visti] I

have three remedies for her.

 

1) Go to a Vishnu

temple and feed some foreigners (rahu) or some out-castes. This must be done every

Thursday. Alternatively if she can go to Tirupati and offer some of her hair,

as well as feed brahmins, then this will take her smoothely through rahu antara

dasa. According to me, some disease and problems are arising in her life, as

well as some monetary problems.

 

2) recite

the Pati-Mrityunjaya to bring the spouse home and give good life with the

spouse;

Tryambakam

Yajaamahe, Sugandhim Patiposhanam.

Urvaarukamiva

bandhanan. Mrtyor Mukshiya Maamushya Grhebhyah..

color:navy">Krishna

color:navy"> Yajur Veda: Kathaka-Grhya Sutra, sloka 37.

 

3) Fast on Wednesdays.

Good luck to

her.

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> May the Gurus continue to guide us.

>

> Best wishes and warm regards,

> Nitin.

>

> || Namah Shivaaya ||

>

>

>

>

> ======================

>

> Dear Gurudev Visti Ji,

>

> Pranaam

>

> This the same native who are in trouble with

her husband. She is

> insisting on divorce, but some how I have a

feeling we can save

this

> marrige.

>

> Gurudev Please comment on the assesment. I

tend to go overboard

> sometime.

>

>

>

> Natal Chart

>

>

June 18, 1969

>

Time: 4:00:00 am

> Time Zone: 5:30:00

(East of GMT)

>

Place: 77 E 12' 00", 28 N

36' 00"

>

New Delhi, India

> Altitude: 0.00

meters

>

>

>

>

> 1. 7th house scorpion, lord Mars is in his

own house making the

> married life troublesome for the native.

>

> 2. Lagna lord is Venus posited in 12th house

of loss, so its

> mode of working will be colored by working of

12th house. Lagna

lord

> is deposited by Mars which is lord of 7th

house indicate the loss

of

> relationship. 12th house also rules bed

pleasures (Important for

> sustenance of married life) and Lagnesh

association with Saturn

have

> adverse effect on it. 7th house have

Rashi Drishti by 12th house

> with Saturn and Venus in it

>

> 3. 12th house from 7th house is ruled by

Venus, having virodh

> argala on 7th house, signify lot of enemies

and loss through

enemies.

> In D-9 Venus is gone to 6th house only.

>

> 4. Mars in D-9 is again gone to 7th house

with Sun, which is in

> UL in Rashi. Here, Mars is deposited by

Venus, which is gone to 6th

> house again indicating loss in relationship

through enemy.

>

> 5. Malefic in 4th in Navmasa indicate native

may be cheated in

> Marriage. In D-9, Rahu and Saturn reducing

the happiness in

> relationship by being in 4th house.

>

> 6. If we see UL, Sun is natural malefic,

being lord of 4th

> placed in UL and 2nd from the lagna is not

encouraging position for

> it as it also influence 7th house by being

4th from 4th. Saturn and

> Mars fully aspect UL and Sun in it by third

and eight aspect

> respectively.

>

> 7. Jupiter is the karaka for husband is lord

of 8th house

> (giving bad result) and 11th house with Rahu

in it.

>

> 8. She is currently running Ketu-Rahu

anterdasa, which are

> karmic planets and native does not have much

of freewill during

dasa

> of nodes. I also understand that native's

nature is argumentative.

> She herself is to an extent give birth to

this trouble. Lord of

12th

> in 7th indicates this nature. Rahu is in 12th

from Paka Lagan that

is

> in 11th house (also 12th from Venus, natural

significator of 7th

> house) shows she reacts aggressively (without

head) to the matter

> regarding spouse. Lack of co-ordination

between thought and action.

>

> 9. 7th from Paka lagna is 6th house lorded by

Venus. To be noted

> that 12th from Paka lagan Spatama have

Jupiter and Ketu and Rahu

> aspect the Jupiter, both by Rashi Drishti and

Graha Drishti. This

> shows her friends in a way act as an enemy to

this relationship by

> giving her feedback, which is supportive of

her actions taken

against

> this relationship.

>

> 10. Mars, Venus and Rahu seem to be three

planets in control of

> the situation in horoscope. Rahu's importance

increase as it is

> atamkarak, 7th from AK in Navmasa (D-9) is UL

with Ketu, indicate

> strong desire to work in the area of

relationship and to be free

from

> the issues and bad karma accumulated during

previous births by

> maintaining a balance between professional

and personal goal.

>

>

> Remedies

>

> Ista deveta is Mercury in lagna associated

with A9 which is Dharam

> pada. Dharam Deveta is Jupiter itself. May be

Vaman Avatar,

> specifically Dharam Gayatri can benefit her

intellect.

>

> Will Fasting on 2nd from UL help? That is

Mondays

>

>

> Gurudev, Please suggest how can we save her

marriage. Because I

have

> an intuition that she will commit a mistake

if she go for a break

up.

> For the reason that 12th from Paka lagan

Spatama have Jupiter with

> Ketu and lord of Paka Lagan Spatama is in

12th house with Saturn.

> Every time she call up insist that she want

to have divorce but I

> delay her decision purposely because if she

can strike a balance in

> this lifetime she may solve the purpose of

her life.

>

>

>

> Pranaam

>

> Ajay

~ om tat sat

~

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