#2: Marriage Puzzle! (Samir)

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Dear Jeyaram, Namaskar

That sounds fair enough. In fact I have changed my mind about the

date, realising a mistake I had made, so now I think the marriage took

place in 1999. Before I start, I will point out that I am very

inexperienced in prediction, and may well have misinterpreted things to a

fair degree. I would be grateful for corrections to such errors.

Let's just recap the details:

Husband

Natal Chart

January 20,

1968

Time: 2:55:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 35' 00",

12 N 59' 00"

Bangalore, India

Wife

Natal Chart

June 23,

1974

Time: 22:14:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 76 E 39' 00",

12 N 18' 00"

Mysore, India

> option A) January 26, 1997

> option B) August 22, 1999

> option C) May 9, 1997

> option D) August 17, 1998

or in date order

January 26, 1997

May 9, 1997

August 17, 1998

August 22, 1999

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Okay, let me try to go about this systematically, using the techniques

that I have some knowledge of (but as yet little experience with!):

Sun's progressions

Husband: This man has Libra lagnamsa, with the Sun in the 5th

therefrom. Progressing the Sun one sign per year, and noting down

when it will be in trines to the 7th house, we get the following ages

possible for marriage: 3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27, 31, 35 etc.

Now in the range you have given, the only applicable age is 31 - which is

around 1998-1999. So based on this the two later dates seem more

likely.

Wife: Also Libra lagnamsa! Sun in the 3rd. That gives

the following ages: 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25, 29 etc. Here again, the

only age that fits is 25 - which is also around 1998-1999. So this

again suggests the later two dates.

Vimsottari Dasa

Husband: He would have been running Rahu mahadasa thoughout

this period. Rahu is joined the lord of lagnamsa in Navamsa.

For the dates in 1997, he would have been running Saturn antara, and for

the latter two dates he would be running Mercury antara. Saturn is

aspecting the 7th lord Mars (Navamsa), but is also having virodhargala on

the same. Meanwhile Mercury has unobstructed argala on Mars.

So from this point of view Mercury antara is more likely.

Rah MD: 1990-07-23 - 2008-07-22

Sat: 1995-08-29 - 1998-07-05

Merc: 1998-07-05 - 2001-01-21

Wife: Venus mahadasa throughout, and Venus lords lagnamsa.

1997 dates would be in Jupiter antara, later dates would be in Saturn

antara. Both Saturn and Venus have argala on 7th lord Mars, and

hence are more likely to give the result. Jupiter has no connection

with Mars in Navamsa.

Ven MD: 1985-03-17 - 2005-03-16

Jup: 1995-05-17 - 1998-01-15

Sat: 1998-01-15 - 2001-03-16

Transits

Husband: Jupiter transits the 2nd from UL in 1997, which is

good for marriage. He transits the natal Saturn (lord of second

from UL) in 1999 also, so then marriage is also possible. This

seems to exclude 1998 however, as then there is no connection to the UL

in that period.

Wife: Jupiter aspects the 2nd from UL in 1998, and aspects the

natal lord of the second from UL (again Jupiter) in 1999. 1997

seems to be excluded by this method.

Using these three to start with, I have come to the conclusion that

marriage should have happened in 1998 or 1999, and so I'm excluding the

earlier two dates from now.

Navamsa Narayana Dasa

Husband: Virgo mahadasa throughout. Virgo is a sirshodaya

sign, giving results at the beginning of the dasa. Its lord Mercury

is in Gemini and will give results in the middle portion, while the

occupying/aspecting planets will give results in the latter

portion. Ketu is placed in Virgo, whilst aspected by kalatrakaraka

Venus, darakaraka Rahu and also Mercury. There is also argala from

UL lord Jupiter. So from this it would seem the 3rd portion of the

dasa will yield marriage. This would happen in Virgo antardasa, in

1999.

Narayana Dasa of D-9 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Vi MD: 1997-01-19 - 2000-01-20

Cn: 1997-01-19 - 1997-04-19

Ge: 1997-04-19 - 1997-07-22

Ta: 1997-07-22 - 1997-10-22

Ar: 1997-10-22 - 1998-01-19

Pi: 1998-01-19 - 1998-04-19

Aq: 1998-04-19 - 1998-07-22

Cp: 1998-07-22 - 1998-10-23

Sg: 1998-10-23 - 1999-01-20

Sc: 1999-01-20 - 1999-04-20

Li: 1999-04-20 - 1999-07-22

Vi: 1999-07-22 - 1999-10-23

Le: 1999-10-23 - 2000-01-20

Wife: Aries mahadasa, where Aries is the 7th house. Aries is

a malefic pristodaya sign, so its results will come at the end of the

dasa. Occupants/aspectors will affect the middle part and the lord

Mars the first part. Now Aries is aspected by kalatrakaraka Venus,

Mars and Ketu, so it is most likely that these will give the

result. This would then be in 1999 in Cancer antardasa. See

that Cancer lord Moon is joined the UL lord Mercury.

Narayana Dasa of D-9 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Ar MD: 1996-06-23 - 2003-06-24

Aq: 1996-06-23 - 1997-01-22

Pi: 1997-01-22 - 1997-08-25

Ar: 1997-08-25 - 1998-03-23

Ta: 1998-03-23 - 1998-10-26

Ge: 1998-10-26 - 1999-05-23

Cn: 1999-05-23 - 1999-12-24

Le: 1999-12-24 - 2000-07-25

Vi: 2000-07-25 - 2001-02-21

Li: 2001-02-21 - 2001-09-25

Sc: 2001-09-25 - 2002-04-22

Sg: 2002-04-22 - 2002-11-24

Cp: 2002-11-24 - 2003-06-24

Tithi Pravesha

Husband: 1999 TP chart has Capricorn lagna, with Saturn in the

4th house. It is Venus' hora. Venus is in Aquarius, and it's

dispositors Saturn and Rahu are in the 4th house (home/residence) and 7th

house (marriage) respectively. Venus is also aspected by Rahu from

the 7th. I think this is enough to show marriage. If this is

the correct date, then marriage would have occurred in the Tithi

Ashtottari Dasa of Moon-Venus, where Moon lords the 7th house in the TP

chart.

Wife: The 1999 TP chart for the wife, I must admit, is less

convincing, probably because I am not reading it properly. But

anyway here's what I see. Virgo Lagna with Mercury in the 10th

house. Hora lord Mars is in the 2nd (family), while Aries houses

the Vaaresh and 7th lord Jupiter, Saturn and the UL. If marriage

occurred on this date, it would have been in the Tithi Astottari dasa of

Rahu-Venus-Mars. Note that both Rahu and Venus have argala on the

7th house as well as its lord Jupiter.

I haven't written about the 1998 TP charts, leaving that for interested

readers to look at.

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* *

With these methods, I have come to the conclusion that marriage was most

likely on the 22nd of August 1999. I look forward to finding out if

that is correct, and if not, where I have gone wrong .

Best wishes,

Samir

"Jeyaram" <jeyaram009

Fri May 20, 2005 6:57 am

#2: Re: Marriage Puzzle! (Samir)

Namaskar Samir Ji,

Thanks for participating in the puzzle. I would be very grateful if

you share your analysis before the answer is posted. That way we all

can learn something in the process.

Thanks & Respectful Regards

Jeyaram

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Dear Samir,

Namaskar

Its

apparent to me that you have misunderstood the method of using the Suns

progression.

You are

counting the Sun’s position as age 1, but this is actually age 0 (first year).

So you will end up having to deduct -1 from each of the years you get.

Also if I

remember correctly from Guruji’s teachings, the Sun must have rasi dristi

on the marriage-house in navamsa, during its progression. This causes marriage.

Trinal

position to Venus causes the native to be infatuated in someone.

Trinal

position to the lord of a house brings the particular partner/spouse.

Best

wishes,

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21 May 2005 12:07

 

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Guru] #2: Re: Marriage Puzzle! (Samir)

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|| Om Krsna Guru ||

Dear Jeyaram, Namaskar

That sounds fair enough. In fact I have changed my mind about the date,

realising a mistake I had made, so now I think the marriage took place in

1999. Before I start, I will point out that I am very inexperienced in

prediction, and may well have misinterpreted things to a fair degree. I would

be grateful for corrections to such errors.

Let's just recap the details:

Husband

Natal Chart

January 20, 1968

Time: 2:55:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 77 E 35' 00", 12 N

59' 00"

Bangalore, India

Wife

Natal Chart

June 23, 1974

Time: 22:14:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 76 E 39' 00", 12 N

18' 00"

Mysore, India

> option

A) January 26,

1997

> option B) August 22, 1999

> option C) May 9, 1997

> option D) August 17, 1998

or in date order

January 26,

1997

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May 9, 1997

August 17, 1998

August 22,

1999

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* *

Okay, let me try to go

about this systematically, using the techniques that I have some knowledge of

(but as yet little experience with!):

Sun's progressions

Husband: This man has Libra lagnamsa, with the Sun in the 5th

therefrom. Progressing the Sun one sign per year, and noting down when it

will be in trines to the 7th house, we get the following ages possible for

marriage: 3, 7, 11, 15, 19, 23, 27, 31, 35 etc. Now in the range

you have given, the only applicable age is 31 - which is around 1998-1999.

So based on this the two later dates seem more likely.

Wife: Also Libra lagnamsa! Sun in the 3rd. That gives the

following ages: 5, 9, 13, 17, 21, 25, 29 etc. Here again, the only age

that fits is 25 - which is also around 1998-1999. So this again suggests

the later two dates.

Vimsottari Dasa

Husband: He would have been running Rahu mahadasa thoughout

this period. Rahu is joined the lord of lagnamsa in Navamsa. For

the dates in 1997, he would have been running Saturn antara, and for the latter

two dates he would be running Mercury antara. Saturn is aspecting the 7th

lord Mars (Navamsa), but is also having virodhargala on the same.

Meanwhile Mercury has unobstructed argala on Mars. So from this point of

view Mercury antara is more likely.

Rah MD: 1990-07-23 - 2008-07-22

Sat: 1995-08-29 - 1998-07-05

Merc: 1998-07-05 - 2001-01-21

Wife: Venus mahadasa throughout, and Venus lords lagnamsa. 1997

dates would be in Jupiter antara, later dates would be in Saturn antara.

Both Saturn and Venus have argala on 7th lord Mars, and hence are more likely

to give the result. Jupiter has no connection with Mars in Navamsa.

Ven MD: 1985-03-17 - 2005-03-16

Jup: 1995-05-17 - 1998-01-15

Sat: 1998-01-15 - 2001-03-16

Transits

Husband: Jupiter transits the 2nd from UL in 1997, which is

good for marriage. He transits the natal Saturn (lord of second from UL)

in 1999 also, so then marriage is also possible. This seems to exclude

1998 however, as then there is no connection to the UL in that period.

Wife: Jupiter aspects the 2nd from UL in 1998, and aspects the natal lord

of the second from UL (again Jupiter) in 1999. 1997 seems to be excluded

by this method.

Using these three to start with, I have come to the conclusion that marriage should

have happened in 1998 or 1999, and so I'm excluding the earlier two dates from

now.

Navamsa Narayana Dasa

Husband: Virgo mahadasa throughout. Virgo is a

sirshodaya sign, giving results at the beginning of the dasa. Its lord

Mercury is in Gemini and will give results in the middle portion, while the

occupying/aspecting planets will give results in the latter portion. Ketu

is placed in Virgo, whilst aspected by kalatrakaraka Venus, darakaraka Rahu and

also Mercury. There is also argala from UL lord Jupiter. So from

this it would seem the 3rd portion of the dasa will yield marriage. This

would happen in Virgo antardasa, in 1999.

Narayana Dasa of D-9 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Vi MD: 1997-01-19 - 2000-01-20

Cn: 1997-01-19 - 1997-04-19

Ge: 1997-04-19 - 1997-07-22

Ta: 1997-07-22 - 1997-10-22

Ar: 1997-10-22 - 1998-01-19

Pi: 1998-01-19 - 1998-04-19

Aq: 1998-04-19 - 1998-07-22

Cp: 1998-07-22 - 1998-10-23

Sg: 1998-10-23 - 1999-01-20

Sc: 1999-01-20 - 1999-04-20

Li: 1999-04-20 - 1999-07-22

Vi: 1999-07-22 -

1999-10-23

Le: 1999-10-23 - 2000-01-20

Wife: Aries mahadasa, where Aries is the 7th house. Aries is a

malefic pristodaya sign, so its results will come at the end of the dasa.

Occupants/aspectors will affect the middle part and the lord Mars the first

part. Now Aries is aspected by kalatrakaraka Venus, Mars and Ketu, so it

is most likely that these will give the result. This would then be in

1999 in Cancer antardasa. See that Cancer lord Moon is joined the UL lord

Mercury.

Narayana Dasa of D-9 chart (a versatile phalita rasi dasa):

Ar MD: 1996-06-23 - 2003-06-24

Aq: 1996-06-23 - 1997-01-22

Pi: 1997-01-22 - 1997-08-25

Ar: 1997-08-25 - 1998-03-23

Ta: 1998-03-23 - 1998-10-26

Ge: 1998-10-26 - 1999-05-23

Cn: 1999-05-23 -

1999-12-24

Le: 1999-12-24 - 2000-07-25

Vi: 2000-07-25 - 2001-02-21

Li: 2001-02-21 - 2001-09-25

Sc: 2001-09-25 - 2002-04-22

Sg: 2002-04-22 - 2002-11-24

Cp: 2002-11-24 - 2003-06-24

Tithi Pravesha

Husband: 1999 TP chart has Capricorn lagna, with Saturn in the

4th house. It is Venus' hora. Venus is in Aquarius, and it's dispositors

Saturn and Rahu are in the 4th house (home/residence) and 7th house (marriage)

respectively. Venus is also aspected by Rahu from the 7th. I think

this is enough to show marriage. If this is the correct date, then

marriage would have occurred in the Tithi Ashtottari Dasa of Moon-Venus, where

Moon lords the 7th house in the TP chart.

Wife: The 1999 TP chart for the wife, I must admit, is less convincing,

probably because I am not reading it properly. But anyway here's what I

see. Virgo Lagna with Mercury in the 10th house. Hora lord Mars is in the

2nd (family), while Aries houses the Vaaresh and 7th lord Jupiter, Saturn and

the UL. If marriage occurred on this date, it would have been in the

Tithi Astottari dasa of Rahu-Venus-Mars. Note that both Rahu and Venus

have argala on the 7th house as well as its lord Jupiter.

I haven't written about the 1998 TP charts, leaving that for interested readers

to look at.

*

* *

With these methods, I

have come to the conclusion that marriage was most likely on the 22nd of August

1999. I look forward to finding out if that is correct, and if not, where

I have gone wrong .

Best wishes,

Samir

 

"Jeyaram" <jeyaram009

Fri May 20, 2005 6:57 am

#2: Re: Marriage Puzzle!

(Samir)

Namaskar

Samir Ji,

Thanks for participating in the puzzle. I would be

very grateful if

you share your analysis before the answer is

posted. That way we all

can learn something in the process.

Thanks & Respectful Regards

Jeyaram

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

free chart reading today

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Dear Vistiji, Namaskar

The method I had used for the Sun's progression is that which

Raghunathaji has been using is his numerous analyses on this list

recently. The most recent is, I think, to be found here:

/message/13356.

Perhaps I have misconstrued his approach.

I will have another go at the analysis using the method given by

you. As I understand it now, we do not consider trines to the 7th

house for marriage, only that the progressed Sun should have Rasi dristi

on the marriage house.

If you have the time and consider it worthwhile, I would be grateful for

the correction of the other errors that I might have made

elsewhere.

You have also answered a question which has been on my mind for a long

time - how to determine when a person might meet their future spouse,

before marriage. Thank you for that.

Pranaam,

Samir

At 00:30 22/05/2005, you wrote:

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Sat, 21 May 2005 13:28:31 +0200

"Visti Larsen"

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RE: #2: Re: Marriage Puzzle! (Samir)

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

Its apparent to me that you have misunderstood the method of using the

Suns

progression.

You are counting the Sun's position as age 1, but this is actually age

0

(first year). So you will end up having to deduct -1 from each of the

years

you get.

Also if I remember correctly from Guruji's teachings, the Sun must have

rasi

dristi on the marriage-house in navamsa, during its progression. This

causes

marriage.

Trinal position to Venus causes the native to be infatuated in

someone.

Trinal position to the lord of a house brings the particular

partner/spouse.

Best wishes,

***

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