Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear list, Namaskar I remember reading one explanation given by Sanjayji for why we should consider sunrise as the time the tip of the disk is on the horizon. Perhaps it might be useful to restate it hear, as understanding the reason behind something can make it a lot easier to remember. Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. Best wishes, Samir "Visti Larsen" <visti Fri Jun 3, 2005 11:14 am Special Lagnas in JHORA (RE: Chart Reading) ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Sameer, Namaskar I'm cc'ing this to the srijaganath list, because i am very often asked these doubts. No, Jagannath Hora does all the calculations acurately but you also have a wide range of choices for this. When calculating the Bhava Lagna, Hora Lagna, Ghatika Lagna, Pranapada Lagna and Vighatika Lagna, you need to rely on the sunrise time. There are two popular oppinions on which time is the correct sunrise; 1. When the center of the suns disk is on the horizon. 2. When the tip of the suns disk is on the horizon. Varahamihira seems to abide by the latter, i.e. when the tip of the suns disk touches it. The parampara seems to agree with this. Now in Jagannath Hora, we have two choices for this latter option. a. When the apparent tip of the suns disk touches the horizon. b. When the tip of the suns disk is truly on the horizon. Based on talks with Sanjayji i decided to follow what he does; namely the apparent junction, and this is the basis of all my calculations that i have explained to you. To change the option goto; preferences->related to calculations->sunrise and sunset definitions. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen Email: visti Web: http://srigaruda.com & http://astrovisti.com *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 >Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. color:navy">It is also very interesting to notice the silence in a moment when Sun vanishes completely at sunset. OK, a moment later they continue where they stopped. It is a very interesting phenomenon for everyone residing in cities, far away from nature. color:navy">Davor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Samir, Namaste. > Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. > For a counter-argument, I would say that I have observed birds chirping at 3~4AM! Also, most birds have left their nests or sleeping place long before the Sun has risen. While agreeing that birds are represented by Sun, I wonder if this can be used as a valid argument to support the apparent time of sunrise. best regards Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Hari, i think i had explained the reasons once. Never mind let me do it once again for you. Makara sankaranti marks the beginning of Uttarayana the Sun's Northern course. At Sabari Mala to mark this new beginning a jyothi is sighted in the sky which fact you may already be aware. The approximate time of Jyothi is around 6 P.M.(may be 6.30). Well before this time, ornaments from Pandala goes to Sabari Mala(hill) for HariHaraputra. While the abharana peti(jewel box) is about to reach the Holy hills of Sabari, Garuda, the Devapakshi(divine bird) circles in the Sky. This happens every year. It is Garuda who welcomes the arrival of Sun into Makara. i believe taking apparent Sunrise is a more realistic approach. The time taken by the eyes to realise an object cannot be considered as the correct time when the object started illuminating. Should we not account for the travelling time of illumination? Best wishes. Astrologically & spiritually yours, p.s.ramanarayanan. , "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Samir, > > Namaste. > > > Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that > the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the > tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at > least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned > specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, > extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in > the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. > > > > For a counter-argument, I would say that I have observed birds > chirping at 3~4AM! Also, most birds have left their nests or sleeping > place long before the Sun has risen. While agreeing that birds are > represented by Sun, I wonder if this can be used as a valid argument > to support the apparent time of sunrise. > > best regards > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| Dear Sri Ramanarayan, Yes, I am aware of the legend surrounding the appearance of jyothi on the horizon as well as the appearance of Garuda at Sabarimala hills. But I cant understand this connection (occurrence of this event) with the correct definition for time of sunrise unless of course, you are talking about the appearance of jyothi marking the onset of night. Sanjay has based his arguments on Varahamihira who says the sun never sets actually. Its only because of the earths rotation that we have this apparent rising and setting of Sun. Considering the definition for night that it is merely the absence of light, it becomes clear why we should consider the apparent time of sunrise. best regards Hari , "sree88ganesha" <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Hari, > > i think i had explained the reasons once. Never mind let me do it once > again for you. Makara sankaranti marks the beginning of Uttarayana > the Sun's Northern course. At Sabari Mala to mark this new beginning a > jyothi is sighted in the sky which fact you may already be aware. The > approximate time of Jyothi is around 6 P.M.(may be 6.30). Well before > this time, ornaments from Pandala goes to Sabari Mala(hill) for > HariHaraputra. While the abharana peti(jewel box) is about to reach > the Holy hills of Sabari, Garuda, the Devapakshi(divine bird) circles > in the Sky. This happens every year. It is Garuda who welcomes the > arrival of Sun into Makara. > > i believe taking apparent Sunrise is a more realistic approach. The > time taken by the eyes to realise an object cannot be considered as > the correct time when the object started illuminating. Should we not > account for the travelling time of illumination? > > Best wishes. > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > , "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > Namaste. > > > > > Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that > > the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the > > tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at > > least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned > > specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, > > extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in > > the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. > > > > > > > For a counter-argument, I would say that I have observed birds > > chirping at 3~4AM! Also, most birds have left their nests or sleeping > > place long before the Sun has risen. While agreeing that birds are > > represented by Sun, I wonder if this can be used as a valid argument > > to support the apparent time of sunrise. > > > > best regards > > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Hari & others, Namaskar It is a natural phenomenon that birds start chirping with the sight of sun light. They do not wait for the sun rise time! And also, it is not that they remain chirping on a moon lit night. Combining, both we can say that 'birds' wake up when sun light breaks-in. Now, we have to deal with the exceptons: One set could be influenced by the nodes - the 'nocturna'l variety another could be that they follow their time like 6 AM (LMT) - the 'kala' vairiety. What do you say? regards Surya On 6/3/05, onlyhari <onlyhari wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan, > > Yes, I am aware of the legend surrounding the appearance of jyothi on > the horizon as well as the appearance of Garuda at Sabarimala hills. > But I cant understand this connection (occurrence of this event) with > the correct definition for time of sunrise unless of course, you are > talking about the appearance of jyothi marking the onset of night. > > Sanjay has based his arguments on Varahamihira who says the sun never > sets actually. Its only because of the earths rotation that we have > this apparent rising and setting of Sun. Considering the definition > for night that it is merely the absence of light, it becomes clear why > we should consider the apparent time of sunrise. > > best regards > Hari > > , "sree88ganesha" > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > i think i had explained the reasons once. Never mind let me do it once > > again for you. Makara sankaranti marks the beginning of Uttarayana > > the Sun's Northern course. At Sabari Mala to mark this new beginning a > > jyothi is sighted in the sky which fact you may already be aware. The > > approximate time of Jyothi is around 6 P.M.(may be 6.30). Well before > > this time, ornaments from Pandala goes to Sabari Mala(hill) for > > HariHaraputra. While the abharana peti(jewel box) is about to reach > > the Holy hills of Sabari, Garuda, the Devapakshi(divine bird) circles > > in the Sky. This happens every year. It is Garuda who welcomes the > > arrival of Sun into Makara. > > > > i believe taking apparent Sunrise is a more realistic approach. The > > time taken by the eyes to realise an object cannot be considered as > > the correct time when the object started illuminating. Should we not > > account for the travelling time of illumination? > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > , "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that > > > the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the > > > tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at > > > least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned > > > specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, > > > extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in > > > the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > For a counter-argument, I would say that I have observed birds > > > chirping at 3~4AM! Also, most birds have left their nests or sleeping > > > place long before the Sun has risen. While agreeing that birds are > > > represented by Sun, I wonder if this can be used as a valid argument > > > to support the apparent time of sunrise. > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > -- Viswanadham Management Consultant MONEYMATTERS + 91 98 202 28271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 || Om Krsna Guru || Dear Hari and list, Namaskar I agree that the birds cannot by themselves be conclusive on this. I was merely relating a story that might serve to help learners like myself to remember. I woke up this morning, and saw that the birds were up at twilight - just before the disc of the Sun became visible in the East. So yes, we cannot say they time it exactly with the rising of the tip of the Sun. However the general conclusion that we can draw is that it is not the disc of the Sun itself, but rather the rays of illumination it provides, that governs their activity. This alone should rule out the possibility of using the middle of the Sun as the reference point for Sunrise. And the only remaining logical reference point is that of the tip of the Sun's disc. In the end, I am quite happy to trust Varahamihira on this, whatever the explanations (for there are sure to be many) may be. Best wishes, Samir Viswanadham <vishwanatham Sat Jun 4, 2005 6:43 am Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Special Lagnas in JHORA Hare Rama Krishna Dear Hari & others, Namaskar It is a natural phenomenon that birds start chirping with the sight of sun light. They do not wait for the sun rise time! And also, it is not that they remain chirping on a moon lit night. Combining, both we can say that 'birds' wake up when sun light breaks-in. Now, we have to deal with the exceptons: One set could be influenced by the nodes - the 'nocturna'l variety another could be that they follow their time like 6 AM (LMT) - the 'kala' vairiety. What do you say? regards Surya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM AUM GURUBYO NAMAH Dear Hari, You were asking a question as to how birds can be linked to the arrival of Sun. It is a known fact that rising and setting of Sun only indicates the rotation of earth. What i wanted to say is that Garuda the devapakshi indicates , rather welcomes the uttarayana which is the day time for Devas. Jyothi darshan that is sighted in the Holy Hills doesnot indicate the onset of night. Guru is dispeller of darkness and Hariharaputra is affectionately called as Guruswamy. There is lot of meaning in what Sanjay says when he wanted to link the Sunrise to the birds. Before the dawn of the Paramatama anubhava levitation occurs which indicates reduction in weight forced by Samsara. This levitation is akin to sighting of Garuda. The awakening is more important as it brings the consciousness to the forefront. i will remind of a small incident in the Epic Mahabharatha. Kauravas were to give to Bali on Amavasya day for gaining success in the battle. This amavasya muhurtha was fixed by none other than the great astrologer Sahadeva(see the quality - fixing the correct muhutha for an enemy - jyotisha never wanting to compromise from his dharma!!!!). What can Pandavas do? As usual it is krsna again had to come to rescue. He invoked Surya and Chandra on the penultimate dya to the actual Amavasya. They responded to the holy call of the Lord. No sooner they had come together Krsna announced that moment as Amavasya. Kauravas could not give the Bali(sacrifice) on this Amavasya day brought to effect by the Lord. By narrating this episode what i want to convey is that materialisation of an event depends on the role of consciousness/conscious invocation.Any event is set to be born when consciousness is involved. Physical manifestation is secondary. Once Arjuna was boasting as usual that his prayers to Lord Siva is more superior to others for which Krsna disagreed and replied that Bhima was superior in this act. Arjuna did not agree and remarked that Bhima never does any pooja. Krsna said that he would prove his word in a moment and showed people carrying baskets of bhel leaves. Arjuna asked Krsna who was the person who had been doing so much archana to the Lord Siva for which Krsna replied that it was Bhima and told him about Siva Manasa Pooja. How Sabda manifests? It rises in Para(ultimate/unmanifest) and reaches pasyanti(perceptions) and from pasyanti it moves on to Madhyama(thoughts) and manifests as Vaikhari(audible speech). If you are counting only vaikhari and forgetting para the root then the analsyis can go wrong. In the court of law the intentions count more than the act is it not? i shall stop here as the mail is slowly becoming lengthier. Sorry if had bored you and if you had known all these earlier. , "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > Dear Sri Ramanarayan, > > Yes, I am aware of the legend surrounding the appearance of jyothi on > the horizon as well as the appearance of Garuda at Sabarimala hills. > But I cant understand this connection (occurrence of this event) with > the correct definition for time of sunrise unless of course, you are > talking about the appearance of jyothi marking the onset of night. > > Sanjay has based his arguments on Varahamihira who says the sun never > sets actually. Its only because of the earths rotation that we have > this apparent rising and setting of Sun. Considering the definition > for night that it is merely the absence of light, it becomes clear why > we should consider the apparent time of sunrise. > > best regards > Hari > > , "sree88ganesha" > <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > > > Dear Hari, > > > > i think i had explained the reasons once. Never mind let me do it once > > again for you. Makara sankaranti marks the beginning of Uttarayana > > the Sun's Northern course. At Sabari Mala to mark this new beginning a > > jyothi is sighted in the sky which fact you may already be aware. The > > approximate time of Jyothi is around 6 P.M.(may be 6.30). Well before > > this time, ornaments from Pandala goes to Sabari Mala(hill) for > > HariHaraputra. While the abharana peti(jewel box) is about to reach > > the Holy hills of Sabari, Garuda, the Devapakshi(divine bird) circles > > in the Sky. This happens every year. It is Garuda who welcomes the > > arrival of Sun into Makara. > > > > i believe taking apparent Sunrise is a more realistic approach. The > > time taken by the eyes to realise an object cannot be considered as > > the correct time when the object started illuminating. Should we not > > account for the travelling time of illumination? > > > > Best wishes. > > > > Astrologically & spiritually yours, > > p.s.ramanarayanan. > > > > > > , "onlyhari" <onlyhari> wrote: > > > ||Om Brihaspataye Namah|| > > > > > > Dear Samir, > > > > > > Namaste. > > > > > > > Sanjayji said that the Sun rules birds. Now we know very well that > > > the birds start chirping every morning at first light, i.e., when the > > > tip of the sun's disk is on the horizon. They do not wait until at > > > least half of the sun is visible! Whilst birds are mentioned > > > specifically because they are ruled by the Sun, we can, I think, > > > extend this to say that it is the appearance of first light that in > > > the majority of practical purposes constitutes sunrise. > > > > > > > > > > For a counter-argument, I would say that I have observed birds > > > chirping at 3~4AM! Also, most birds have left their nests or sleeping > > > place long before the Sun has risen. While agreeing that birds are > > > represented by Sun, I wonder if this can be used as a valid argument > > > to support the apparent time of sunrise. > > > > > > best regards > > > Hari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 5, 2005 Report Share Posted June 5, 2005 Hare Rama Krishna Dear Sri Ramanarayan, Simply superb...please go on and explain the deep thinking behind the linking of birds to time of sunrise. Based on your explanation below, The inevitable question I have is how do we trace the 'root' behind the phenomenon of sunrise? regards Hari , "sree88ganesha" <sree88ganesha> wrote: > > > SARVAM GYANANANDAMAYAM > AUM GURUBYO NAMAH > > Dear Hari, > > You were asking a question as to how birds can be linked to the > arrival of Sun. It is a known fact that rising and setting of Sun only > indicates the rotation of earth. What i wanted to say is that Garuda > the devapakshi indicates , rather welcomes the uttarayana which is the > day time for Devas. Jyothi darshan that is sighted in the Holy Hills > doesnot indicate the onset of night. Guru is dispeller of darkness and > Hariharaputra is affectionately called as Guruswamy. There is lot of > meaning in what Sanjay says when he wanted to link the Sunrise to the > birds. > > Before the dawn of the Paramatama anubhava levitation occurs which > indicates reduction in weight forced by Samsara. This levitation is > akin to sighting of Garuda. The awakening is more important as it > brings the consciousness to the forefront. i will remind of a small > incident in the Epic Mahabharatha. Kauravas were to give to Bali on > Amavasya day for gaining success in the battle. This amavasya muhurtha > was fixed by none other than the great astrologer Sahadeva(see the > quality - fixing the correct muhutha for an enemy - jyotisha never > wanting to compromise from his dharma!!!!). What can Pandavas do? As > usual it is krsna again had to come to rescue. He invoked Surya and > Chandra on the penultimate dya to the actual Amavasya. They responded > to the holy call of the Lord. No sooner they had come together Krsna > announced that moment as Amavasya. Kauravas could not give the > Bali(sacrifice) on this Amavasya day brought to effect by the Lord. By > narrating this episode what i want to convey is that materialisation > of an event depends on the role of consciousness/conscious > invocation.Any event is set to be born when consciousness is involved. > Physical manifestation is secondary. Once Arjuna was boasting as usual > that his prayers to Lord Siva is more superior to others for which > Krsna disagreed and replied that Bhima was superior in this act. > Arjuna did not agree and remarked that Bhima never does any pooja. > Krsna said that he would prove his word in a moment and showed people > carrying baskets of bhel leaves. Arjuna asked Krsna who was the person > who had been doing so much archana to the Lord Siva for which Krsna > replied that it was Bhima and told him about Siva Manasa Pooja. > > How Sabda manifests? It rises in Para(ultimate/unmanifest) and reaches > pasyanti(perceptions) and from pasyanti it moves on to > Madhyama(thoughts) and manifests as Vaikhari(audible speech). If you > are counting only vaikhari and forgetting para the root then the > analsyis can go wrong. In the court of law the intentions count more > than the act is it not? > > i shall stop here as the mail is slowly becoming lengthier. Sorry if > had bored you and if you had known all these earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2005 Report Share Posted June 6, 2005 Hare Rama Krsna! Here the birds were already chirping at 5 am, while the Sun comes up only at 5:30 am. It appears birds already start chirping with the first daylight, that means when the sandhya starts, long before Sun really rises. So to take that time as sunrise time is not correct. Anyway, research should point out what is the correct sunrise. Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, web site: <http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> <http://.org/learning> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Jaya Jagannatha Dear Dhira Birds leaving the nest. They chirp from the brahma muhurta. There is something linking birds to the sun..try to understand it. Maybe I don't know well but those who know birds know this better. With best wishes and warm regards, Sanjay Rath * * * Sri Jagannath Center® 15B Gangaram Hospital Road New Delhi 110060, India http://srath.com, +91-11-25717162 * * * Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS (AT) pamho (DOT) net] Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:00 AMSubject: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Special Lagnas in JHORA Hare Rama Krsna!Here the birds were already chirping at 5 am, while the Sun comes up onlyat 5:30 am. It appears birds already start chirping with the firstdaylight, that means when the sandhya starts, long before Sun reallyrises. So to take that time as sunrise time is not correct. Anyway,research should point out what is the correct sunrise.Yours,Dhira Krsna dasa,web site: <http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> <http://.org/learning>~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2005 Report Share Posted June 13, 2005 Om Ganeshay Namah Shree Gurave Namah Dear Dhira ji, Pranam. On the dirction shown by Guru Sanjay ji, when I ponder I find that there is a link to the birds and dawn-dusk to the pseudo-SUN too, somewhere around Rahu. There is a clear link between the Rahu and birds as there is between Ketu and the fish. The link between the Sun and birds is also interesting. Sun signifies bones; Birds have hollow bones (to keep them light-weight). Therefore it further strengthens my thinking that it is the link with the pseudo SUN, i.e. Rahu; resulting in bones strong in outwardly appearance and hollow on the inside. Birds make maximum noise during these two sandhyas, when the SUN is at its weakest visible intensity. We do pray to stengthen a weak SUN or MOON during eclipse, and so we do during sandhyopasana. Rahu emulates SUN. (Ref. Amrita-Manthan episode and resultant enmity between the SUN/MOON and RAHU-KETU). But for the aspect, the Adho-drishti of Rahu and the Urdhva drishti of SUN they are difficult to differentiate. It is at dawn that Sarisipa - reptile signs are considered powerful and also it is the condition of poor visibility, foggy/smoggy vision, confusing and blurred vision, the times of dusk and dawn when these nodes are most effective. I do wish that this is not only creative thinking and writing and there is some logical substance too in it. Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu Radhekrishna! Himansh Mohan , "Sanjay Rath" <guruji@s...> wrote: > > > Jaya Jagannatha > Dear Dhira > Birds leaving the nest. They chirp from the brahma muhurta. There is > something linking birds to the sun..try to understand it. Maybe I don't know > well but those who know birds know this better. > With best wishes and warm regards, > Sanjay Rath > * * * > Sri Jagannath CenterR > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road > New Delhi 110060, India > http://srath.com <http://srath.com/> , +91-11-25717162 > * * * > > > > _____ > > Dhira Krsna BCS [Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...] > Tuesday, June 07, 2005 2:00 AM > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Special Lagnas in JHORA > > > Hare Rama Krsna! > > Here the birds were already chirping at 5 am, while the Sun comes up only > at 5:30 am. It appears birds already start chirping with the first > daylight, that means when the sandhya starts, long before Sun really > rises. So to take that time as sunrise time is not correct. Anyway, > research should point out what is the correct sunrise. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > web site: <http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> > <http://.org/learning> > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > _____ > > Links > > > * > / > > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > > * Terms of Service > <> . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2005 Report Share Posted June 15, 2005 Vyam Vyasadevaya namah Dear Himanshu, Hare Krsna! There is definitely some logic in your thinking. Look at it like this: Saturn represents birds, and Saturn is the son of the Sun. When Sun is weak, Saturn gets strong, thus Saturn's highest dig bala is in the 7th house, where Sun sets. Rahu acts like Saturn, that's why you mentioned him. Yours, Dhira Krsna dasa, web site: <http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> <http://.org/learning> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2005 Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Om Ganeshay Namah Shree Gurave Namah Dear Dhira ji, Pranam. Thanks for your guidance. However, I mentioned consciously about RAHU and not because of "Shani-vat-RAHU". RAHU has similarities with SHANI but it has an independent nature too, which is equally important and significant. The nature has to be undestood as an individual entity and not just akin to another one. While Rahu tries to pose as SUN, tries to immulate the imperial appearance and behaviour, tries to through aound its weight and likes glamour, pomp and show and does not let one see clearly both on conscious as well as sub-conscious plane; Shani despite being son of SUN, stands for the poor and downtrodden against the royalty and tyranny. It prefers a shabby and slovenly attie and appearance. Rahu has Adho-drishti while Shani has a tiryak one(askance) as against Urdhva drishti of SUN. I know that I need not repeat all these significations as everyone is knowledgeable here, but I reiterate the dishti aspect because it is one of the major differentiators when you try to judge by appearance and differentiate between SUN-dominated, Rahu or Shani dominated persona before you. As regards birds, the signifaction is okay, but I have not seen bird-feeding or having pet birds as a remedy for Shani, except the crow, while Bird-feeding is a common remedy for gaining favour from RAHU as much as FISH-feeding (or keeping as pets in an aquarium) is considered for KETU. The bones under the influence of Shani shall not be like those signified by RAHU, as understood by me. Anyway, this is a difference of opinion and with the facts considered so far, I humbly submit that I do not stand convinced Guruji! Regards, Om Shri Krishnarpanamastu. Radhekrishna! Himanshu Mohan , "Dhira Krsna BCS" <Dhira.Krsna.BCS@p...> wrote: > Vyam Vyasadevaya namah > > Dear Himanshu, > > Hare Krsna! > > There is definitely some logic in your thinking. Look at it like this: > Saturn represents birds, and Saturn is the son of the Sun. When Sun is > weak, Saturn gets strong, thus Saturn's highest dig bala is in the 7th > house, where Sun sets. Rahu acts like Saturn, that's why you mentioned > him. > > Yours, > Dhira Krsna dasa, > > web site: <http://www.geocities.com/dvdd1008/Jyotisha.html> > <http://.org/learning> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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