Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Jai Jinendra Vistiji and Gorup Members, But there is a confusion over here, as tirne will cause result into transforming one element into another immaterial of tattwa.As by itslef trine has 50% aspect and always growing,without any conflicts and any trine b/w malefics or benefics always gives good results and destroy bad ones,isn't it? So here parivartana will also result into to houses that they lord, that means total 6 houses parivartana is happening. Than what about placements in other houses that planets placed over there, do they act in this parivartana and give combine results?. Do we have to consider retrogate motion in this. As Venus in other house of mercury getting debiliated, while Mercury is Vargottam and invovled in trine to Jupiter;Does that signify Vipareet Rajyoga. Does Rahu exalted will help Venus to act positive or Malefic effect of Mars will be passed on to Venus. Is trine is more powerful or Rahu + Mars influence will be more in a chart. Here I am strictly talking towards analysis of chart. My personal exp with my Life is that; I am everday feel like living two life, one is totally devoted to Spiritualism(which has got lesser weightage) while other is Materialism.But everything I do I know I am doing nd it is my Karma making me do all these materialistic things;always comes in my mind.Day will come I will be releaved from all this.such thoughts always hovers my mind every moment of Life.So I always try to live a ideal way of Life. What is a reason for above thoughts to comein my mind. Is a trine or something else?. --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Shripal, Namaskar > > Saptarishi nadi seems to refer to parivartana > happening between three > planets. > > However we should understand that as long as it is > more than two, then the > change or transformation is not immediete but must > occur through another > individual. i.e. if third lord is in the fifth > whilst fifth lord is in the > ninth and ninth lord has then gone to the third – > then it implies that a > transformation is occuring between the third and > ninth houses, i.e. a khala > parivartana. But the children or followers, > indicated by the fifth lord will > cause the parivartana to happen, as they are > bridging this parivartana > between third and ninth. > > This way the children/followers step in and cause > this transformation > between the third and ninth. > > > > But i have not studied this much, so i will refrain > from commenting on the > chart results. Maybe in the future. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti > visti > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Shripal > 03 June 2005 09:49 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vistiji's parivartana > yoga lesson Repost > > > > Jai Jinendra Visitiji, > > Can you elaborate, can Parivartana takes place b/w > three planets. > > In my DOB:16th > March,1980,Place:Rajkot,Time:21:00hrs. > > If you see a Navmasa,there is a privartana b/w > Vargottam Mercury,Saturn and Jupiter. > > Is is a Parivartana and What will be it's effect in > one's life and when will it occur.Please I will be > grateful if you explain it technically in details > manner; with proper reasoning. > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Supriti, Namaskar > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > Email: <visti > > visti > > > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > & > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar > > 02 June 2005 15:35 > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Vistiji's > parivartana > > yoga lesson Repost > > > > > > > > |OM Gurave Namah| > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thank you for your response. Please guide me > > through further > > clarifications. > > > > > > > > [supriti2] If a parivartana is not related to > lagna, > > AL or Lagnesh there is > > no focus of change and this can cause vacillation > > between good and bad for a > > bad exchange. > > > > Hence, the 6th and 7th lord exchange, even though > it > > takes up a lot of > > energy (6th house)- will not cause a permanent > > transformation in marriage. > > Can I deduce that during Aq narayana dasa, I will > > have relationship problems > > as Aq is 7th from Me in Leo and during Pi Narayan > > dasa my marriage will be > > better as Pi is 7th from Su in Virgo > > > > > > > > [Visti] Vacillation is not the right word. Change > or > > transformation is more > > right and the situation where the change occurs > must > > be analyzed very > > carefully. Here the parivartana being between a > good > > and an evil house must > > cause a good situation (marriage) to turn sour > > (enmity). Later this will > > reverse again where a bitter situation (enmity) > > becomes the cause of a great > > friendship. Your inference about your Näräyaëa > daçä > > is very correct. > > > > [supriti2] Let me try again. In Navamsa there is > an > > exchange between Sa and > > Ju. Ju is debilitated while Sa is in Sagittarius. > > > Sa is a malefic and Ju > > is a benefic. The exchange is with a dustana so > this > > is a bad exchange. Ju > > is the lord of 8th house and 5th house. Sa the > lord > > of the 6th and 7th > > house is in 5th house with A9 in it. This shows > > there will be enmity > > between me (Sa-AK) and my relatives through my > > marriage (Ju-GK) and that my > > father(A9) will raise the issue. This will cause > > marital stress. Ju is > > lagnesh and Sa is 11th and 12th lord in Rasi, what > > does this imply? > > > > [Visti] Always remember that navamsa is all about > > relationships... Not just > > the intimate ones. So these two guys; Saturn and > > Jupiter have decided to > > give each others results in matters of people or > > relationships. Now look at > > your rasi chart and see the placement of these two > > big-boys. Saturn is > > placed in your second house and joined your > > labhapada (a11). Among people > > the labhapada indicates friends and Saturn causes > > sorrow on account of them. > > This could be in matters of money or family that > > this sorrow comes, as this > > Saturn is placed in the second house. These > results > > will be given in Jupiter > > dasa/antara and not Saturn. > > > > [Visti] Jupiter is placed in the eighth house with > > Venus, so two nice > > benefics there. They are joined putrapada (a5) > > matripada (a4) and shatrupada > > (a6). Jupiter and Venus are well placed here, and > > will ensure good news in > > relationships with children (a5) mother/family > (a4) > > and in matters of > > service/job (a6). These good results will be given > > by Saturn and not > > Jupiter. I believe you gave birth to a child > during > > Saturn antara dasa. > > > > [supriti2] I have understood this conceptually > but > > what does Sa becoming > > source of livelihood mean in the materialistic > > world. Since it is the > > karaka of 8th house does it mean occult/jyotish > will > > become a source of > > livelihood. Right now I make a living in the > > technology industry. This is > > signified by Rh I think and is with Sa in Navamsa. > > > > [Visti] Well, as long as we are not looking at > > lordships, think in lines of > > people. It can also indicate occultists and > > astrologers (eighth house) > > become a stronger part of your own family or > > group/kula (second) whilst own > > family members take renunciation or become more > > spiritual. > > > > [Visti] I’ve thought about it, and i don’t think > > mantra is enough. The > > planets in the sixth require some offering or > bali. > > Since they are joined > > your A10 they will block your career and status > > (even your title). So with > > whichever mantra you do, you MUST offer food. > > > > Now all these planets in leo could indicate > “feeding > > lions” but this is too > > much to ask. Leo also indicates dogs or large > > canines. If you have a dog, > > make sure you make a point to feed it well. If > not, > > then either get a puppy > > and feed it, or start finding dogs to feed, or > > donate for dog welfare – > > specifically for food. Do this and regularly > worship > > Narasimha. Do you know > > the Anushtup Narasimha mantra (ugraveeram > > mahavishnum...)? If you do then > > please recite it. Did your family used to worship > a > > Guru or Shiva moorty but > > have stopped doing so? This must be taken up again > > as well. > > > > [supriti2]I currently pray to durga/bagalamukhi – > > Ma being my ishta is with > > Mo. My diksha guru gave me mantra for durga and > > guruji recommended I also > > pray to her as bagalamukhi. I used to pray to > Shiv > > for a very long time but > > have not done so in a long time. My father’s > family > > used to pray to Kali, > > durga. My paternal grandfather used to do chandi > > paath everyday. They had > > a guru who prayed to Shiv, durga, kali and was > from > > Vaidyanath/Deoghar. My > > maternal family prays to gaur hari – bal gopal. > > Their guru prays to > > Krishna. Lately I feel like praying to Shiv ji > with > > the jyotirlinga mantra > > – om namah shivay namo kaaleshvaraya. Also if > > possible can you suggest > > another remedy than feeding dogs. I have an > > unfounded fear of canines. > > Will offering food to the deities constitute a > > remedy for this problem? > > > > [Visti] If the Hari worship is being continued, > then > > its fine. Yes please do > > that mantra, for you it would become an atmalinga > > mantra – this type of > > worship is not easy i’ve been told. > > > > As for feeding dogs. Whilst you need not do this > > personally, you can see to > > it that others ensure this happens, i.e. through > > donation to dog-shelters > > every Sunday or during Suns Hora until Suns antara > > dasa begins. Please look > > for this opportunity. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Supriti > > > > _____ > > > > Discover > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for > the > > weekend. Check > > > <http://us.rd./evt=32658/*http:/discover./weekend.html> > > it out! > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > Achyuta > > Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > > Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > > Great who said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > > animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > > free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * > > / > > > > * To from this group, send an > email to: > > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > > <> Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > Love is the beauty of the soul > > > > > Discover > Use to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover./ > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > > _____ > > Links > > * > / > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > > * > <> Terms of > Service. > > Love is the beauty of the soul Discover Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover./stayintouch.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Shripal, Namaskar Comments below. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Email: visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Web: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> & http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Shripal 03 June 2005 13:55 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vistiji's parivartana yoga and ALL 12.0pt"> 10.0pt">Jai Jinendra Vistiji and Gorup Members, But there is a confusion over here, as tirne will cause result into transforming one element into another immaterial of tattwa.As by itslef trine has 50% aspect and always growing,without any conflicts and any trine b/w malefics or benefics always gives good results and destroy bad ones,isn't it? [Visti] Maybe your confusion is terminology, and also ‘what’ gets transformed. I can only suggest that you meditate on this, because i don’t see your confusion. If you are referring solely to aspects from a trine, then i must answer that i was taught that; planetary aspects do not change the nature of any graha/bhäva, only the emotion associated with it. i.e. Mars in a trine to the seventh house can give anger in relationships. However this is only 50% aspect, and is almost negligible compared to the 100% aspects on any bhäva/graha. font-family:"Courier New""> So here parivartana will also result into to houses that they lord, that means total 6 houses parivartana is happening. [Visti] Only the houses involved in the parivartana change. font-family:"Courier New""> Than what about placements in other houses that planets placed over there, do they act in this parivartana and give combine results?. Do we have to consider retrogate motion in this. [Visti] Read my article and see the first chart with the analysis of Sri Krishna, where i talk about the junction of Mars and Rahu with the parivartana yoga. We always have to consider everything, but how you distinguish the results takes practice. I’ve given a few tips in my writings, i.e. first see from lagna, then later arudha lagna. Also read my writings on retrogression and exaltations/debilitation. font-family:"Courier New""> As Venus in other house of mercury getting debiliated, while Mercury is Vargottam and invovled in trine to Jupiter;Does that signify Vipareet Rajyoga. [Visti] If you must enjoy any raja yoga, you must surely see this in the Rasi chart, as this will affect your entire life. VRY in navamsa is not auspicious as it can cause suffering in marriage and relationships, and still only in those relationships will the VRY be active. font-family:"Courier New""> Does Rahu exalted will help Venus to act positive or Malefic effect of Mars will be passed on to Venus. [Visti] Rahu in Taurus is considerd Ayus-exaltation and is good for health and longevity. But his placement doesn’t make Venus any more comfortable. Rahu aspecting Venus is like Sita (venus) standing behind the lakshman rekha and Ravana (rahu) is asking to enter. So here an exalted Rahu is like a ravana with lots of strength and power... with or without power, Ravana is still Ravana, and that doesn’t help Sita at all. font-family:"Courier New""> Is trine is more powerful or Rahu + Mars influence will be more in a chart. [Visti] I don’t understand this question. font-family:"Courier New""> Here I am strictly talking towards analysis of chart. [Visti] Obviously. font-family:"Courier New""> My personal exp with my Life is that; I am everday feel like living two life, one is totally devoted to Spiritualism(which has got lesser weightage) while other is Materialism.But everything I do I know I am doing nd it is my Karma making me do all these materialistic things;always comes in my mind.Day will come I will be releaved from all this.such thoughts always hovers my mind every moment of Life.So I always try to live a ideal way of Life. [Visti] You have Kala Sarpa Yoga, and because of this you will always be drawn either to the extremes of bhoga-life or towards yogi-life. Saturn your ätmakäraka is joined Rahu, and confirms this inner-pull. However many planets are joined the nodes and are breaking the yoga, and there is a strong Mahapadma yoga due to Jupiters conjunction which will give great fruits from age 33 onwards. font-family:"Courier New""> What is a reason for above thoughts to comein my mind. Is a trine or something else?. --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Shripal, Namaskar > > Saptarishi nadi seems to refer to parivartana > happening between three > planets. > > However we should understand that as long as it is > more than two, then the > change or transformation is not immediete but must > occur through another > individual. i.e. if third lord is in the fifth > whilst fifth lord is in the > ninth and ninth lord has then gone to the third – > then it implies that a > transformation is occuring between the third and > ninth houses, i.e. a khala > parivartana. But the children or followers, > indicated by the fifth lord will > cause the parivartana to happen, as they are > bridging this parivartana > between third and ninth. > > This way the children/followers step in and cause > this transformation > between the third and ninth. > > > > But i have not studied this much, so i will refrain > from commenting on the > chart results. Maybe in the future. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > Email: <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com & > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Shripal > 03 June 2005 09:49 > > [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Vistiji's parivartana > yoga lesson Repost > > > > Jai Jinendra Visitiji, > > Can you elaborate, can Parivartana takes place b/w > three planets. > > In my DOB:16th > March,1980,Place:Rajkot,Time:21:00hrs. > > If you see a Navmasa,there is a privartana b/w > Vargottam Mercury,Saturn and Jupiter. > > Is is a Parivartana and What will be it's effect in > one's life and when will it occur.Please I will be > grateful if you explain it technically in details > manner; with proper reasoning. > > > --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > Dear Supriti, Namaskar > > > > Comments below. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > *** > > > > Visti Larsen > > > > Email: <visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com> > > visti (AT) srigaruda (DOT) com > > > > Web: <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com > & > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > > > *** > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Supriti Majumdar > > 02 June 2005 15:35 > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Vistiji's > parivartana > > yoga lesson Repost > > > > > > > > |OM Gurave Namah| > > > > Dear Vistiji, > > > > Thank you for your response. Please guide me > > through further > > clarifications. > > > > > > > > [supriti2] If a parivartana is not related to > lagna, > > AL or Lagnesh there is > > no focus of change and this can cause vacillation > > between good and bad for a > > bad exchange. > > > > Hence, the 6th and 7th lord exchange, even though > it > > takes up a lot of > > energy (6th house)- will not cause a permanent > > transformation in marriage. > > Can I deduce that during Aq narayana dasa, I will > > have relationship problems > > as Aq is 7th from Me in Leo and during Pi Narayan > > dasa my marriage will be > > better as Pi is 7th from Su in Virgo > > > > > > > > [Visti] Vacillation is not the right word. Change > or > > transformation is more > > right and the situation where the change occurs > must > > be analyzed very > > carefully. Here the parivartana being between a > good > > and an evil house must > > cause a good situation (marriage) to turn sour > > (enmity). Later this will > > reverse again where a bitter situation (enmity) > > becomes the cause of a great > > friendship. Your inference about your Näräyaëa > daçä > > is very correct. > > > > [supriti2] Let me try again. In Navamsa there is > an > > exchange between Sa and > > Ju. Ju is debilitated while Sa is in Sagittarius. > > > Sa is a malefic and Ju > > is a benefic. The exchange is with a dustana so > this > > is a bad exchange. Ju > > is the lord of 8th house and 5th house. Sa the > lord > > of the 6th and 7th > > house is in 5th house with A9 in it. This shows > > there will be enmity > > between me (Sa-AK) and my relatives through my > > marriage (Ju-GK) and that my > > father(A9) will raise the issue. This will cause > > marital stress. Ju is > > lagnesh and Sa is 11th and 12th lord in Rasi, what > > does this imply? > > > > [Visti] Always remember that navamsa is all about > > relationships... Not just > > the intimate ones. So these two guys; Saturn and > > Jupiter have decided to > > give each others results in matters of people or > > relationships. Now look at > > your rasi chart and see the placement of these two > > big-boys. Saturn is > > placed in your second house and joined your > > labhapada (a11). Among people > > the labhapada indicates friends and Saturn causes > > sorrow on account of them. > > This could be in matters of money or family that > > this sorrow comes, as this > > Saturn is placed in the second house. These > results > > will be given in Jupiter > > dasa/antara and not Saturn. > > > > [Visti] Jupiter is placed in the eighth house with > > Venus, so two nice > > benefics there. They are joined putrapada (a5) > > matripada (a4) and shatrupada > > (a6). Jupiter and Venus are well placed here, and > > will ensure good news in > > relationships with children (a5) mother/family > (a4) > > and in matters of > > service/job (a6). These good results will be given > > by Saturn and not > > Jupiter. I believe you gave birth to a child > during > > Saturn antara dasa. > > > > [supriti2] I have understood this conceptually > but > > what does Sa becoming > > source of livelihood mean in the materialistic > > world. Since it is the > > karaka of 8th house does it mean occult/jyotish > will > > become a source of > > livelihood. Right now I make a living in the > > technology industry. This is > > signified by Rh I think and is with Sa in Navamsa. > > > > [Visti] Well, as long as we are not looking at > > lordships, think in lines of > > people. It can also indicate occultists and > > astrologers (eighth house) > > become a stronger part of your own family or > > group/kula (second) whilst own > > family members take renunciation or become more > > spiritual. > > > > [Visti] I’ve thought about it, and i don’t think > > mantra is enough. The > > planets in the sixth require some offering or > bali. > > Since they are joined > > your A10 they will block your career and status > > (even your title). So with > > whichever mantra you do, you MUST offer food. > > > > Now all these planets in leo could indicate > “feeding > > lions” but this is too > > much to ask. Leo also indicates dogs or large > > canines. If you have a dog, > > make sure you make a point to feed it well. If > not, > > then either get a puppy > > and feed it, or start finding dogs to feed, or > > donate for dog welfare – > > specifically for food. Do this and regularly > worship > > Narasimha. Do you know > > the Anushtup Narasimha mantra (ugraveeram > > mahavishnum...)? If you do then > > please recite it. Did your family used to worship > a > > Guru or Shiva moorty but > > have stopped doing so? This must be taken up again > > as well. > > > > [supriti2]I currently pray to durga/bagalamukhi – > > Ma being my ishta is with > > Mo. My diksha guru gave me mantra for durga and > > guruji recommended I also > > pray to her as bagalamukhi. I used to pray to > Shiv > > for a very long time but > > have not done so in a long time. My father’s > family > > used to pray to Kali, > > durga. My paternal grandfather used to do chandi > > paath everyday. They had > > a guru who prayed to Shiv, durga, kali and was > from > > Vaidyanath/Deoghar. My > > maternal family prays to gaur hari – bal gopal. > > Their guru prays to > > Krishna. Lately I feel like praying to Shiv ji > with > > the jyotirlinga mantra > > – om namah shivay namo kaaleshvaraya. Also if > > possible can you suggest > > another remedy than feeding dogs. I have an > > unfounded fear of canines. > > Will offering food to the deities constitute a > > remedy for this problem? > > > > [Visti] If the Hari worship is being continued, > then > > its fine. Yes please do > > that mantra, for you it would become an atmalinga > > mantra – this type of > > worship is not easy i’ve been told. > > > > As for feeding dogs. Whilst you need not do this > > personally, you can see to > > it that others ensure this happens, i.e. through > > donation to dog-shelters > > every Sunday or during Suns Hora until Suns antara > > dasa begins. Please look > > for this opportunity. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Supriti > > > > _____ > > > > Discover > > Find restaurants, movies, travel & more fun for > the > > weekend. Check > > > <http://us.rd./evt=32658/*http:/discover./weekend.html> > > it out! > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the > Achyuta > > Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > > Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > > Great who said that the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > > animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > > free chart reading today > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Links > > > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > > / > > > > * To from this group, send an > email to: > > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > > <> Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > Love is the beauty of the soul > > > > > Discover > Use to plan a weekend, have fun online and > more. Check it out! > http://discover./ > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > > _____ > > Links > > * To visit your group on the web, go to: > / > > * To from this group, send an email to: > > <?subject=Un> > > > * Your use of is subject to the > <> Terms of > Service. > > Love is the beauty of the soul Discover Stay in touch with email, IM, photo sharing and more. Check it out! http://discover./stayintouch.html ~ om tat sat ~ 10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New""> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. 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