AL and A9

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Respected gurujis and learned members,

If AL and A9 are in 6-8 relationship? Apart from

several things, would it mean native has bad relations

with father?

So if AL and A9 are in trines then in what way it will

be good for native and father?

 

Can I apply same principle for native and mother using

A4 and AL?

Thanks in advance,

Shobha

 

 

 

 

 

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Shobha, Namaskar

My understanding is this: if you look at the relative placement of

two arudhas, you are looking at the relationship between the

perceptions of the two individuals concerned - not between the

individuals themselves. So the relationship between the A9 (father or

Guru) and AL will show whether the the image (financial and professional

matters in particular) of your father (or Guru) are helpful to your

image/lifestyle (again, financial and professional matters are

important).

So, if AL and A9 are in trines, the image of your father will be

conducive to the enhancement of your own image, and vice versa. The

A9 in the 12th from AL however, will cause the father to have money

issues as a result of which you end up spending a lot on him.

But, this doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship between

the two will be bad. For that, we need to look at the relationship

between:

AL and the naisargika pitrikaraka - the Sun AL and the chara pitrikaraka AL and

the 9th lord A9 and Lagna or Paka lagna Each of these shows something

different, mind!

You can extend this to all other relations (e.g., A4, Moon, 4th lord for

Mother).

Best wishes,

Samir

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Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:46:44 -0700 (PDT)

shobha S <shobhas60 >

AL and A9

Respected gurujis and learned members,

If AL and A9 are in 6-8 relationship? Apart from

several things, would it mean native has bad relations

with father?

So if AL and A9 are in trines then in what way it will

be good for native and father?

Can I apply same principle for native and mother using

A4 and AL?

Thanks in advance,

Shobha

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

 

Dear Samir,

Namaskar. I have a basic doubt on this. Arudhas are

material manifestations and are located in signs. Signs are

situations in life. Planets occupying/aspecting/lording are

intelligences which act in these situations to create Arudhas. If

these planets or "causes" are not favourable to each other, we

cannot favourably relate the respective Arudhas which are "results"

and not "causes".

 

Hence, to my understanding if AL-lord and A9-lord are located in 5-9

or kendras to each other then they will act to enhance each other's

results.

 

Also, you focused on 5-9 relationship. Why not 4-10 or sama-saptaka ?

 

Also, for your theory, do you have any reference(s)? I am asking

just for my understanding.

 

Best Regards,

 

Sourav

=====================================================================

 

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Shobha, Namaskar

>

> My understanding is this: if you look at the relative placement

of two

> arudhas, you are looking at the relationship between the

perceptions of the

> two individuals concerned - not between the individuals

themselves. So the

> relationship between the A9 (father or Guru) and AL will show

whether the

> the image (financial and professional matters in particular) of

your father

> (or Guru) are helpful to your image/lifestyle (again, financial

and

> professional matters are important).

>

> So, if AL and A9 are in trines, the image of your father will be

conducive

> to the enhancement of your own image, and vice versa. The A9 in

the 12th

> from AL however, will cause the father to have money issues as a

result of

> which you end up spending a lot on him.

>

> But, this doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship between

the two

> will be bad. For that, we need to look at the relationship

between:

> * AL and the naisargika pitrikaraka - the Sun

> * AL and the chara pitrikaraka

> * AL and the 9th lord

> * A9 and Lagna or Paka lagna

> Each of these shows something different, mind!

>

> You can extend this to all other relations (e.g., A4, Moon, 4th

lord for

> Mother).

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

>

>

>

>__________________

____

> >

> >Message: 1

> > Sat, 13 Aug 2005 22:46:44 -0700 (PDT)

> > shobha S <shobhas60>

> >AL and A9

> >

> >Respected gurujis and learned members,

> >If AL and A9 are in 6-8 relationship? Apart from

> >several things, would it mean native has bad relations

> >with father?

> >So if AL and A9 are in trines then in what way it will

> >be good for native and father?

> >

> >Can I apply same principle for native and mother using

> >A4 and AL?

> >Thanks in advance,

> >Shobha

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Sourav, Namaskar

Yes - you make a valid point. Lordship is very important.

However, my understanding is that the arudhas themselves also have a role

to play. Consider having the UL in the 12th from AL. Of

course the placement of the lords will matter, but you can still hedge

your bets that the person will tend to ignore their spouse.

Similarly this applies to other arudhas and indeed grahas placed in the

12th from AL.

Another example - to see sexual compatibility, we look at the placement

of the A7 from the AL. We don't worry about their lords.

To use your terminology, if we say that arudhas are 'results', then

sometimes results can be beneficial to one another, regardless of the

'cause'. Let's say your father is a well-known politician.

Will this not help your socio-political standing (if you're so inclined)

to some degree?

I wrote about 5-9 placement as an example. You can extend this to

any placement. The case of the 7th from an Arudha has been spoken

about previously on the list.

References: Crux of Vedic Astrology by Sanjay Rath, Jyotisa Fundamentals

by Visti Larsen, and the list archives.

Just to add to what I was saying about relationships, Guruji says in his

book that we should also look at the relationship between:

9th lord from AL, and AL (for father) and

Chara pitrikaraka and AL (for father);

To see the impact the person (father in this case) will have on the

native. This is slightly different from the nature of the relations

one will have with that person, I think.

I hope that Guruji or other learned members will correct me if I'm wrong

anywhere.

I hope that helps,

Samir

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Message: 11

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:06:34 -0000

"Sourav Chowdhury"

<souravc108 >

Re: AL and A9

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar. I have a

basic doubt on this. Arudhas are

material manifestations and are located in signs. Signs are

situations in life. Planets occupying/aspecting/lording are

intelligences which act in these situations to create Arudhas. If

these planets or "causes" are not favourable to each other, we

cannot favourably relate the respective Arudhas which are

"results"

and not "causes".

Hence, to my understanding if AL-lord and A9-lord are located in 5-9

or kendras to each other then they will act to enhance each other's

results.

Also, you focused on 5-9 relationship. Why not 4-10 or sama-saptaka

?

Also, for your theory, do you have any reference(s)? I am asking

just for my understanding.

Best Regards,

Sourav

=====================================================================

, Samir Shah

<solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Shobha, Namaskar

>

> My understanding is this: if you look at the relative

placement

of two

> arudhas, you are looking at the relationship between the

perceptions of the

> two individuals concerned - not between the individuals

themselves. So the

> relationship between the A9 (father or Guru) and AL will show

whether the

> the image (financial and professional matters in particular) of

your father

> (or Guru) are helpful to your image/lifestyle (again, financial

and

> professional matters are important).

>

> So, if AL and A9 are in trines, the image of your father will be

conducive

> to the enhancement of your own image, and vice versa. The A9

in

the 12th

> from AL however, will cause the father to have money issues as a

result of

> which you end up spending a lot on him.

>

> But, this doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship between

the two

> will be bad. For that, we need to look at the relationship

between:

> * AL and the naisargika pitrikaraka - the

Sun

> * AL and the chara pitrikaraka

> * AL and the 9th lord

> * A9 and Lagna or Paka lagna

> Each of these shows something different, mind!

>

> You can extend this to all other relations (e.g., A4, Moon, 4th

lord for

> Mother).

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

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Dear Samir,

Namaskar

I have no

disagreement with what you say, but i will just add some ‘terms’

for clarification.

An arudha

is subject to perception, but is infact tangible. When we say that Bill Gates

is rich man, then it is because he is surrounded by a rich house and a

whopping bank-account. So arudha is tangible, but is subjected to perception.

Your own

arudha and others arudha is also subjected to your perception.

We often

equate arudha with maya. Maya is tangible... the illusion is really that we

think something belongs to us, and hence we try to identify ourselves with

certain things in life, i.e. my money, my house, my name/fame, etc. So Maya

follows the arudha and is tangible.

 

When we

talk of lordships, we always equate them with intelligence, or applied

intelligence. Lordships are important as when we (or others) apply the mind, we

may end up supporting something, which seemingly has been ignored.

 

Example; if

a person has Upapada in twelfth from lagnapada, then the person may ignore

their spouse. However if the lords of the same are well placed from each other,

then the native will support their spouse and have a more giving attitude

towards their spouse. They will start developing chauvanistic ideals such as;

Mans role is to work and bring home food, whilst the woman must cook and take

care of the kids. And they will fulfil this ideal with great enthusiasm.

 

Best

wishes,

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17 August 2005 07:19

 

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Guru] Re: AL and A9

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Sourav, Namaskar

Yes - you make a valid point. Lordship is very important. However,

my understanding is that the arudhas themselves also have a role to play.

Consider having the UL in the 12th from AL.

Of course the placement of the lords will matter, but you can still hedge your

bets that the person will tend to ignore their spouse. Similarly this

applies to other arudhas and indeed grahas placed in the 12th from AL.

Another example - to see sexual compatibility, we look at the placement of the

A7 from the AL.

We don't worry about their lords.

To use your terminology, if we say that arudhas are 'results', then sometimes

results can be beneficial to one another, regardless of the 'cause'.

Let's say your father is a well-known politician. Will this not help your

socio-political standing (if you're so inclined) to some degree?

I wrote about 5-9 placement as an example. You can extend this to any

placement. The case of the 7th from an Arudha has been spoken about

previously on the list.

References: Crux of Vedic Astrology by Sanjay Rath, Jyotisa Fundamentals by

Visti Larsen, and the list archives.

Just to add to what I was saying about relationships, Guruji says in his book

that we should also look at the relationship between:

9th lord from AL, and AL (for father) and

Chara pitrikaraka and AL

(for father);

To see the impact the person (father in this case) will have on the

native. This is slightly different from the nature of the relations one

will have with that person, I think.

I hope that Guruji or other learned members will correct me if I'm wrong

anywhere.

I hope that helps,

Samir

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Message: 11

Tue, 16 Aug 2005 14:06:34 -0000

"Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108 >

Re: AL and A9

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Dear Samir,

Namaskar. I have a basic

doubt on this. Arudhas are

material manifestations and are located in signs. Signs are

situations in life. Planets occupying/aspecting/lording are

intelligences which act in these situations to create Arudhas. If

these planets or "causes" are not favourable to each other, we

cannot favourably relate the respective Arudhas which are "results"

and not "causes".

Hence, to my understanding if AL-lord and A9-lord are located in 5-9

or kendras to each other then they will act to enhance each other's

results.

Also, you focused on 5-9 relationship. Why not 4-10 or sama-saptaka ?

Also, for your theory, do you have any reference(s)? I am asking

just for my understanding.

Best Regards,

Sourav

=====================================================================

, Samir Shah <solaris.smoke@g...>

wrote:

> || Hare Rama Krsna ||

>

> Dear Shobha, Namaskar

>

> My understanding is this: if you look at the relative placement

of two

> arudhas, you are looking at the relationship between the

perceptions of the

> two individuals concerned - not between the individuals

themselves. So the

> relationship between the A9 (father or Guru) and AL will show

whether the

> the image (financial and professional matters in particular) of

your father

> (or Guru) are helpful to your image/lifestyle (again, financial

and

> professional matters are important).

>

> So, if AL and A9 are in trines, the image of your father will be

conducive

> to the enhancement of your own image, and vice versa. The A9 in

the 12th

> from AL

however, will cause the father to have money issues as a

result of

> which you end up spending a lot on him.

>

> But, this doesn't necessarily mean that the relationship between

the two

> will be bad. For that, we need to look at the relationship

between:

> * AL

and the naisargika pitrikaraka - the Sun

> * AL

and the chara pitrikaraka

> * AL and the 9th lord

> * A9 and Lagna or Paka lagna

> Each of these shows something different, mind!

>

> You can extend this to all other relations (e.g., A4, Moon, 4th

lord for

> Mother).

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Samir

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Dear Guruji,

Can I order your book online?If so please give me the details.

Respectful regards

Kaimal

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Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:10 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: AL and A9

||Hare Rama Krsna||

[Guest guest]

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Guruji, Pranaam

Thank you for elaborating on that - it makes it much clearer.

I haven't got my head around this yet:

Your own

arudha and others arudha is also subjected to your

perception.

Will my perception of myself directly modify the illusion surrounding

me? I don't understand how to relate this to real life

terms.

Pranaam,

Samir

______________________

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Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:40:58 +0200

"Visti Larsen"

<visti (AT) (DOT) org>

RE: Re: AL and A9

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

I have no disagreement with what you say, but i will just add some

'terms'

for clarification.

An arudha is subject to perception, but is infact tangible. When we say

that

Bill Gates is rich man, then it is because he is surrounded by a

rich house

and a whopping bank-account. So arudha is tangible, but is subjected

to

perception.

Your own arudha and others arudha is also subjected to your

perception.

We often equate arudha with maya. Maya is tangible... the illusion is

really

that we think something belongs to us, and hence we try to identify

ourselves with certain things in life, i.e. my money, my house, my

name/fame, etc. So Maya follows the arudha and is tangible.

 

When we talk of lordships, we always equate them with intelligence,

or

applied intelligence. Lordships are important as when we (or others)

apply

the mind, we may end up supporting something, which seemingly has

been

ignored.

 

Example; if a person has Upapada in twelfth from lagnapada, then the

person

may ignore their spouse. However if the lords of the same are well

placed

from each other, then the native will support their spouse and have a

more

giving attitude towards their spouse. They will start developing

chauvanistic ideals such as; Mans role is to work and bring home

food,

whilst the woman must cook and take care of the kids. And they will

fulfil

this ideal with great enthusiasm.

 

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

<

http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com

or

<

http://astrovisti.com>

http://astrovisti.com

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Dear Samir,

Namaskar

If you

think you are a business man, then you will try to become one! So also your

arudha will try to acomedate this perception of yourself.

Best

wishes,

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18 August 2005 07:18

 

[Om Krishna

Guru] Re: AL and A9

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|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Guruji, Pranaam

Thank you for elaborating on that - it makes it much clearer.

I haven't got my head around this yet:

Your own arudha and others arudha is also

subjected to your perception.

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Will my perception of myself directly modify the illusion surrounding me?

I don't understand how to relate this to real life terms.

Pranaam,

Samir

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Wed, 17 Aug 2005 15:40:58 +0200

"Visti Larsen" <visti (AT) (DOT) org>

RE: Re: AL and A9

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Samir, Namaskar

I have no disagreement with what you say, but i will just add some 'terms'

for clarification.

An arudha is subject to perception, but is infact tangible. When we say that

Bill Gates is rich man, then it is because he is surrounded by a rich

house

and a whopping bank-account. So arudha is tangible, but is subjected to

perception.

Your own arudha and others arudha is also subjected to your perception.

We often equate arudha with maya. Maya is tangible... the illusion is really

that we think something belongs to us, and hence we try to identify

ourselves with certain things in life, i.e. my money, my house, my

name/fame, etc. So Maya follows the arudha and is tangible.

 

When we talk of lordships, we always equate them with intelligence, or

applied intelligence. Lordships are important as when we (or others) apply

the mind, we may end up supporting something, which seemingly has been

ignored.

 

Example; if a person has Upapada in twelfth from lagnapada, then the person

may ignore their spouse. However if the lords of the same are well placed

from each other, then the native will support their spouse and have a more

giving attitude towards their spouse. They will start developing

chauvanistic ideals such as; Mans role is to work and bring home food,

whilst the woman must cook and take care of the kids. And they will fulfil

this ideal with great enthusiasm.

 

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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< http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com

or <

http://astrovisti.com>

http://astrovisti.com

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Dear

Kaimal, Namaskar

Here: http://srath.com/sagpub/books/jyotishfundamentals.htm

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