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Respected gurujis and members,

Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL

(apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if

mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will

marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will mars

being LL help or damage the marriage?

Thanks in advance,

Shobha

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Shobha,

Namaskar

When Mars

aspects or joins the second from Upapada, it means that one of the problems in

the marriage is agressive behaviour, alcoholism (negative mars) and fights. Whilst

the second from the Upapada will be the reason (or excuse) the way the couple

separates is seen from the eighth house. Malefic planets give a tough

separation, whilst benefics make it easy.

 

Please don’t

encourage sms-language, as people get carried away and start coming up with

names such as UL1, UL2, UL3, etc. and AL1, AL2, etc... it gets very confusing. Also

its nice to repeat ‘lagnesha’, then you are eulogizing the one who

created you, namely Prajapati. By eulogizing the creator you are a Brahmana,

and this is like reciting the Gayatri.

 

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Respected gurujis and

members,

Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL

(apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if

mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will

marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will

mars

being LL help or damage the marriage?

Thanks in advance,

Shobha

 

 

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||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

Dear Shoba

2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma'

by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi

will show actual fights. However the break in marriage

is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from

UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly

begining of a new relation ship.

Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short

tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

 

Cheers

lakshman

 

--- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote:

 

> Respected gurujis and members,

> Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL

> (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if

> mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will

> marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will

> mars

> being LL help or damage the marriage?

> Thanks in advance,

> Shobha

>

>

>

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Dear Lakshman,

Namaskar

No, 2nd

from the Upapada does indeed break the marriage. 8th from the

Upapada is the next spouse.

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17 August 2005 18:45

 

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||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

Dear Shoba

2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of

'Ma'

by graha drishti will show desire to fight and

Rasi

will show actual fights. However the break in

marriage

is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd

from

UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly

begining of a new relation ship.

Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive,

short

tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

Cheers

lakshman

--- shobha S <shobhas60 > wrote:

> Respected gurujis and members,

> Sustenance of marriage is seen from second

from UL

> (apart from other indicators). For Aries

rising if

> mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL

will

> marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio.

Will

> mars

> being LL help or damage the marriage?

> Thanks in advance,

> Shobha

>

>

 

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Rama Krsna||

 

After being away for a while, it is nice to return to

a discussion on arudha.

 

The weakness/affliction of the second allows the

marriage (UL) to break, but the 8th house plays an important role in that as

well. Relatively speaking, no house can work in isolation from an arudha, they

are always working in reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and eighth, etc.

Looking at an arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it

primarily as arudhas work in reflection,

a planet in the 7th from AL will

have almost as much affect as the planet conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in the first

or seventh will make one well

liked and well known. In the same way the 2-8 axis

cannot fully be separated when working with an arudha, it is an axis.

 

One to contemplate:

A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses, the

other half it cannot by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an arudha

you always look at its placement and its reflection/opposite house (sometimes

to the point where you take the stronger of the arudha or its reflection as in mrtyupada

calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can only occupy half the chart,

its reading is in double (in an axis), as each point of consideration involves

two houses. Yet this double can also be perceived as only half the chart, if

the chart was read in a total axis based perspective.

 

Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship take

both the second and eighth from the UL into account.

 

Namah Sivaya

 

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Dear

Lakshman, Namaskar

No, 2nd

from the Upapada does indeed break the marriage. 8th from the

Upapada is the next spouse.

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||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

Dear Shoba

2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of

'Ma'

by graha drishti will show desire to fight and

Rasi

will show actual fights. However the break in

marriage

is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd

from

UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly

begining of a new relation ship.

Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive,

short

tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

Cheers

lakshman

--- shobha S <shobhas60 > wrote:

> Respected gurujis and members,

> Sustenance of marriage is seen from second

from UL

> (apart from other indicators). For Aries

rising if

> mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL

will

> marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio.

Will

> mars

> being LL help or damage the marriage?

> Thanks in advance,

> Shobha

>

>

 

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Dear Freedom & Visti

That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly

because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more damaging

by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer or

the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a

Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence will

be less as compared to 8th.

Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of

you welcome back to the lists.

 

Lakshman

 

--- freedom <freedom wrote:

 

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> After being away for a while, it is nice to return

> to a discussion on

> arudha.

>

> The weakness/affliction of the second allows the

> marriage (UL) to break, but

> the 8th house plays an important role in that as

> well. Relatively speaking,

> no house can work in isolation from an arudha, they

> are always working in

> reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and eighth,

> etc. Looking at an

> arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as

> arudhas work in reflection,

> a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as much

> affect as the planet

> conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in the

> first or seventh will

> make one well liked and well known. In the same way

> the 2-8 axis cannot

> fully be separated when working with an arudha, it

> is an axis.

>

> One to contemplate:

> A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses,

> the other half it cannot

> by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an

> arudha you always look at

> its placement and its reflection/opposite house

> (sometimes to the point

> where you take the stronger of the arudha or its

> reflection as in mrtyupada

> calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can

> only occupy half the

> chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as

> each point of consideration

> involves two houses. Yet this double can also be

> perceived as only half the

> chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based

> perspective.

>

> Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship take

> both the second and

> eighth from the UL into account.

>

> Namah Sivaya

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> marriage

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Lakshman, Namaskar

> No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the

> marriage. 8th from the

> Upapada is the next spouse.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

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> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

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> [] On

> Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma

> 17 August 2005 18:45

>

> Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> marriage

>

> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

> Dear Shoba

> 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma'

> by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi

> will show actual fights. However the break in

> marriage

> is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from

> UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly

> begining of a new relation ship.

> Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short

> tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

>

> Cheers

> lakshman

>

> --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote:

>

> > Respected gurujis and members,

> > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL

> > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if

> > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will

> > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will

> > mars

> > being LL help or damage the marriage?

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Shobha

> >

> >

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Respected guruji and learned member,

I have seen in the charts either 2nd or 8th house has

malefic in it but aspected by benefics.

 

1. In such scenario will marriage break or continue

with

a. influence of benefic indicates harmony in

marriage, and ignore malefic influence.

b. influence of malefic and benefic cause

marriage to continue with disharmony?

 

2. I heard from someone in such scenario look at the

influence of stronger planets on 2nd or 8th house and

decide if marriage will break or continue.

 

Which one of above is true? item 1 or 2?

 

Regards,

Shobhas

 

--- Lakshman Brahma <lbrahma wrote:

 

> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah:||

> Dear Freedom & Visti

> That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly

> because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more

> damaging

> by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer

> or

> the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a

> Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence

> will

> be less as compared to 8th.

> Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of

> you welcome back to the lists.

>

> Lakshman

>

> --- freedom <freedom wrote:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > After being away for a while, it is nice to return

> > to a discussion on

> > arudha.

> >

> > The weakness/affliction of the second allows the

> > marriage (UL) to break, but

> > the 8th house plays an important role in that as

> > well. Relatively speaking,

> > no house can work in isolation from an arudha,

> they

> > are always working in

> > reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and

> eighth,

> > etc. Looking at an

> > arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as

> > arudhas work in reflection,

> > a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as

> much

> > affect as the planet

> > conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in

> the

> > first or seventh will

> > make one well liked and well known. In the same

> way

> > the 2-8 axis cannot

> > fully be separated when working with an arudha, it

> > is an axis.

> >

> > One to contemplate:

> > A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses,

> > the other half it cannot

> > by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an

> > arudha you always look at

> > its placement and its reflection/opposite house

> > (sometimes to the point

> > where you take the stronger of the arudha or its

> > reflection as in mrtyupada

> > calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can

> > only occupy half the

> > chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as

> > each point of consideration

> > involves two houses. Yet this double can also be

> > perceived as only half the

> > chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based

> > perspective.

> >

> > Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship

> take

> > both the second and

> > eighth from the UL into account.

> >

> > Namah Sivaya

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM

> >

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> > marriage

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Lakshman, Namaskar

> > No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the

> > marriage. 8th from the

> > Upapada is the next spouse.

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

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> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma

> > 17 August 2005 18:45

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> > marriage

> >

> > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

> > Dear Shoba

> > 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of

> 'Ma'

> > by graha drishti will show desire to fight and

> Rasi

> > will show actual fights. However the break in

> > marriage

> > is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd

> from

> > UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly

> > begining of a new relation ship.

> > Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive,

> short

> > tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

> >

> > Cheers

> > lakshman

> >

> > --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote:

> >

> > > Respected gurujis and members,

> > > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from

> UL

> > > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising

> if

> > > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will

> > > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will

> > > mars

> > > being LL help or damage the marriage?

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > > Shobha

> > >

> > >

>

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> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

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> > Ashram.

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> > Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> > Great who said that the

> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> > animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> > free chart reading today

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> >

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Dear Freedom

and Lakshman, Namaskar

I agree

that noone should look at second from upapada in isolation, however there is a

need to be specific in terms and usage. The second from upapada shows the end

of the marriage, and the seventh from this shows the door through which the new

spouse will arrive. Hence the eighth from upapada shows the next partner (if

any).

In some

cases where the second lord from upapada is in the eighth from upapada, the

first marriage brakes because of the second partner.

So for sake

of being specific ‘second from upapada is the sustenance of the marriage

and eighth from upapada is the next marriage and hence end of first marriage’.

But even this does not hold up, as in many cases i’ve found that people

have been married but also had a girlfriend for many years corresponding to

their next upapada, but due to the strength of the first marriage, they have

not divorced. So finally the second house from upapada is most important to

keep the marriage alive.

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Dear Freedom & Visti

That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th

mainly

because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more

damaging

by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer

or

the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a

Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence

will

be less as compared to 8th.

Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both

of

you welcome back to the lists.

Lakshman

--- freedom <freedom (AT) (DOT) org>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> After being away for a while, it is nice to

return

> to a discussion on

> arudha.

>

> The weakness/affliction of the second allows

the

> marriage (UL) to break, but

> the 8th house plays an important role in that

as

> well. Relatively speaking,

> no house can work in isolation from an

arudha, they

> are always working in

> reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and

eighth,

> etc. Looking at an

> arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily

as

> arudhas work in reflection,

> a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as much

> affect as the planet

> conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in the

> first or seventh will

> make one well liked and well known. In the

same way

> the 2-8 axis cannot

> fully be separated when working with an

arudha, it

> is an axis.

>

> One to contemplate:

> A house arudha can only occupy half of the

houses,

> the other half it cannot

> by default of calculation. Yet when looking

at an

> arudha you always look at

> its placement and its reflection/opposite

house

> (sometimes to the point

> where you take the stronger of the arudha or

its

> reflection as in mrtyupada

> calculations). So while the actual arudhapada

can

> only occupy half the

> chart, its reading is in double (in an axis),

as

> each point of consideration

> involves two houses. Yet this double can also

be

> perceived as only half the

> chart, if the chart was read in a total axis

based

> perspective.

>

> Anyway, when looking at the end of

relationship take

> both the second and

> eighth from the UL into account.

>

> Namah Sivaya

>

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM

>

> RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Sustenance of

> marriage

>

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> Dear Lakshman, Namaskar

> No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break

the

> marriage. 8th from the

> Upapada is the next spouse.

> Best wishes,

> ***

> Visti Larsen

> For services and articles visit:

> <http://srigaruda.com>

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> 17 August 2005 18:45

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> Re: [Om Krishna

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> marriage

>

> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

> Dear Shoba

> 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect

of 'Ma'

> by graha drishti will show desire to fight

and Rasi

> will show actual fights. However the break in

> marriage

> is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on

2nd from

> UL. It is the break in partnership and

possibly

> begining of a new relation ship.

> Ma as LL will make the native more

aggressive, short

> tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

>

> Cheers

> lakshman

>

> --- shobha S <shobhas60 >

wrote:

>

> > Respected gurujis and members,

> > Sustenance of marriage is seen from

second from UL

> > (apart from other indicators). For Aries

rising if

> > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from

UL will

> > marriage end with fights? UL is in

scorpio. Will

> > mars

> > being LL help or damage the marriage?

> > Thanks in advance,

> > Shobha

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Dear Visti

Just to mention that in olden days, men used to have

multiple wives say for status and other reasons for

Vamsa vriddhi etc. King dasaratha had 3 wives etc..

Rama started the Eka patni tradition and It is in

modern days that the laws do not permit one to have

more than one spouse. so in principle I have to agree

with you that 2nd house from UL does determines

sustainance of 1st marriage and so on..

Thanks for the explanation..

 

 

Lakshman

--- Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

 

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Freedom and Lakshman, Namaskar

>

> I agree that noone should look at second from

> upapada in isolation, however

> there is a need to be specific in terms and usage.

> The second from upapada

> shows the end of the marriage, and the seventh from

> this shows the door

> through which the new spouse will arrive. Hence the

> eighth from upapada

> shows the next partner (if any).

>

> In some cases where the second lord from upapada is

> in the eighth from

> upapada, the first marriage brakes because of the

> second partner.

>

> So for sake of being specific 'second from upapada

> is the sustenance of the

> marriage and eighth from upapada is the next

> marriage and hence end of first

> marriage'. But even this does not hold up, as in

> many cases i've found that

> people have been married but also had a girlfriend

> for many years

> corresponding to their next upapada, but due to the

> strength of the first

> marriage, they have not divorced. So finally the

> second house from upapada

> is most important to keep the marriage alive.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

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>

> ***

>

> _____

>

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma

> 18 August 2005 22:35

>

> RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> marriage

>

>

>

> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah:||

> Dear Freedom & Visti

> That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly

> because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more

> damaging

> by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer

> or

> the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a

> Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence

> will

> be less as compared to 8th.

> Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of

> you welcome back to the lists.

>

> Lakshman

>

> --- freedom <freedom wrote:

>

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > After being away for a while, it is nice to return

> > to a discussion on

> > arudha.

> >

> > The weakness/affliction of the second allows the

> > marriage (UL) to break, but

> > the 8th house plays an important role in that as

> > well. Relatively speaking,

> > no house can work in isolation from an arudha,

> they

> > are always working in

> > reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and

> eighth,

> > etc. Looking at an

> > arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as

> > arudhas work in reflection,

> > a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as

> much

> > affect as the planet

> > conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in

> the

> > first or seventh will

> > make one well liked and well known. In the same

> way

> > the 2-8 axis cannot

> > fully be separated when working with an arudha, it

> > is an axis.

> >

> > One to contemplate:

> > A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses,

> > the other half it cannot

> > by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an

> > arudha you always look at

> > its placement and its reflection/opposite house

> > (sometimes to the point

> > where you take the stronger of the arudha or its

> > reflection as in mrtyupada

> > calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can

> > only occupy half the

> > chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as

> > each point of consideration

> > involves two houses. Yet this double can also be

> > perceived as only half the

> > chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based

> > perspective.

> >

> > Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship

> take

> > both the second and

> > eighth from the UL into account.

> >

> > Namah Sivaya

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of Visti Larsen

> > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM

> >

> > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> > marriage

> >

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > Dear Lakshman, Namaskar

> > No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the

> > marriage. 8th from the

> > Upapada is the next spouse.

> > Best wishes,

> > ***

> > Visti Larsen

> > For services and articles visit:

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> > ***

> > _____

> >

> >

> > [] On

> > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma

> > 17 August 2005 18:45

> >

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of

> > marriage

> >

> > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah||

> > Dear Shoba

> > 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of

> 'Ma'

> > by graha drishti will show desire to fight and

> Rasi

> > will show actual fights. However the break in

> > marriage

> > is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd

> from

> > UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly

> > begining of a new relation ship.

> > Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive,

> short

> > tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic.

> >

> > Cheers

> > lakshman

> >

> > --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote:

> >

> > > Respected gurujis and members,

> > > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from

> UL

> > > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising

> if

> > > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will

> > > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will

> > > mars

> > > being LL help or damage the marriage?

> > > Thanks in advance,

> > > Shobha

> > >

>

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