Guest guest Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Respected gurujis and members, Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will mars being LL help or damage the marriage? Thanks in advance, Shobha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Shobha, Namaskar When Mars aspects or joins the second from Upapada, it means that one of the problems in the marriage is agressive behaviour, alcoholism (negative mars) and fights. Whilst the second from the Upapada will be the reason (or excuse) the way the couple separates is seen from the eighth house. Malefic planets give a tough separation, whilst benefics make it easy. Please don’t encourage sms-language, as people get carried away and start coming up with names such as UL1, UL2, UL3, etc. and AL1, AL2, etc... it gets very confusing. Also its nice to repeat ‘lagnesha’, then you are eulogizing the one who created you, namely Prajapati. By eulogizing the creator you are a Brahmana, and this is like reciting the Gayatri. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of shobha S 17 August 2005 01:55 [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of marriage 12.0pt"> Respected gurujis and members, Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will mars being LL help or damage the marriage? Thanks in advance, Shobha Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| Dear Shoba 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma' by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi will show actual fights. However the break in marriage is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly begining of a new relation ship. Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. Cheers lakshman --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote: > Respected gurujis and members, > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > mars > being LL help or damage the marriage? > Thanks in advance, > Shobha > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2005 Report Share Posted August 17, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshman, Namaskar No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the marriage. 8th from the Upapada is the next spouse. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma 17 August 2005 18:45 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of marriage 12.0pt"> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| Dear Shoba 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma' by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi will show actual fights. However the break in marriage is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly begining of a new relation ship. Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. Cheers lakshman --- shobha S <shobhas60 > wrote: > Respected gurujis and members, > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > mars > being LL help or damage the marriage? > Thanks in advance, > Shobha > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| After being away for a while, it is nice to return to a discussion on arudha. The weakness/affliction of the second allows the marriage (UL) to break, but the 8th house plays an important role in that as well. Relatively speaking, no house can work in isolation from an arudha, they are always working in reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and eighth, etc. Looking at an arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as arudhas work in reflection, a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as much affect as the planet conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in the first or seventh will make one well liked and well known. In the same way the 2-8 axis cannot fully be separated when working with an arudha, it is an axis. One to contemplate: A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses, the other half it cannot by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an arudha you always look at its placement and its reflection/opposite house (sometimes to the point where you take the stronger of the arudha or its reflection as in mrtyupada calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can only occupy half the chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as each point of consideration involves two houses. Yet this double can also be perceived as only half the chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based perspective. Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship take both the second and eighth from the UL into account. Namah Sivaya 10.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of marriage 12.0pt"> color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Lakshman, Namaskar No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the marriage. 8th from the Upapada is the next spouse. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma 17 August 2005 18:45 Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of marriage 12.0pt"> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| Dear Shoba 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma' by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi will show actual fights. However the break in marriage is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly begining of a new relation ship. Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. Cheers lakshman --- shobha S <shobhas60 > wrote: > Respected gurujis and members, > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > mars > being LL help or damage the marriage? > Thanks in advance, > Shobha > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam protection around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah:|| Dear Freedom & Visti That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more damaging by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer or the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence will be less as compared to 8th. Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of you welcome back to the lists. Lakshman --- freedom <freedom wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > After being away for a while, it is nice to return > to a discussion on > arudha. > > The weakness/affliction of the second allows the > marriage (UL) to break, but > the 8th house plays an important role in that as > well. Relatively speaking, > no house can work in isolation from an arudha, they > are always working in > reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and eighth, > etc. Looking at an > arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as > arudhas work in reflection, > a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as much > affect as the planet > conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in the > first or seventh will > make one well liked and well known. In the same way > the 2-8 axis cannot > fully be separated when working with an arudha, it > is an axis. > > One to contemplate: > A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses, > the other half it cannot > by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an > arudha you always look at > its placement and its reflection/opposite house > (sometimes to the point > where you take the stronger of the arudha or its > reflection as in mrtyupada > calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can > only occupy half the > chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as > each point of consideration > involves two houses. Yet this double can also be > perceived as only half the > chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based > perspective. > > Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship take > both the second and > eighth from the UL into account. > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Visti Larsen > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > marriage > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Lakshman, Namaskar > No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the > marriage. 8th from the > Upapada is the next spouse. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > *** > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma > 17 August 2005 18:45 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > marriage > > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| > Dear Shoba > 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma' > by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi > will show actual fights. However the break in > marriage > is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from > UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly > begining of a new relation ship. > Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short > tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. > > Cheers > lakshman > > --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote: > > > Respected gurujis and members, > > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL > > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if > > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > > mars > > being LL help or damage the marriage? > > Thanks in advance, > > Shobha > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta > Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare > Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the > Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for > animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one > free chart reading today > > > > > > Vedic > </gads?t=ms&k=Vedic+astrology&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=T > raditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=v9r2q5VtAsAtNoGDu9AwXQ> > astrology > Traditions > </gads?t=ms&k=Traditions&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Tradit > ions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=GDNYbB8yvQgla2Bv80OLSA> > > New > </gads?t=ms&k=New+delhi+india&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=T > raditions&w3=New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HV15Tp69C6jWNdCET3xw6A> > delhi india > > Sjc > </gads?t=ms&k=Sjc&w1=Vedic+astrology&w2=Traditions&w3 > =New+delhi+india&w4=Sjc&c=4&s=67&.sig=HswLm4GwEHImpP7pD99VsA> > > > > > _____ > > > > * Visit your group " > <> " on > the web. > > * > > <?subject=Un> > > > * Your use of is subject to the > Terms of Service > <> . > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2005 Report Share Posted August 18, 2005 Respected guruji and learned member, I have seen in the charts either 2nd or 8th house has malefic in it but aspected by benefics. 1. In such scenario will marriage break or continue with a. influence of benefic indicates harmony in marriage, and ignore malefic influence. b. influence of malefic and benefic cause marriage to continue with disharmony? 2. I heard from someone in such scenario look at the influence of stronger planets on 2nd or 8th house and decide if marriage will break or continue. Which one of above is true? item 1 or 2? Regards, Shobhas --- Lakshman Brahma <lbrahma wrote: > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah:|| > Dear Freedom & Visti > That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly > because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more > damaging > by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer > or > the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a > Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence > will > be less as compared to 8th. > Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of > you welcome back to the lists. > > Lakshman > > --- freedom <freedom wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > After being away for a while, it is nice to return > > to a discussion on > > arudha. > > > > The weakness/affliction of the second allows the > > marriage (UL) to break, but > > the 8th house plays an important role in that as > > well. Relatively speaking, > > no house can work in isolation from an arudha, > they > > are always working in > > reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and > eighth, > > etc. Looking at an > > arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as > > arudhas work in reflection, > > a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as > much > > affect as the planet > > conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in > the > > first or seventh will > > make one well liked and well known. In the same > way > > the 2-8 axis cannot > > fully be separated when working with an arudha, it > > is an axis. > > > > One to contemplate: > > A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses, > > the other half it cannot > > by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an > > arudha you always look at > > its placement and its reflection/opposite house > > (sometimes to the point > > where you take the stronger of the arudha or its > > reflection as in mrtyupada > > calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can > > only occupy half the > > chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as > > each point of consideration > > involves two houses. Yet this double can also be > > perceived as only half the > > chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based > > perspective. > > > > Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship > take > > both the second and > > eighth from the UL into account. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Visti Larsen > > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > > marriage > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Lakshman, Namaskar > > No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the > > marriage. 8th from the > > Upapada is the next spouse. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma > > 17 August 2005 18:45 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > > marriage > > > > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| > > Dear Shoba > > 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of > 'Ma' > > by graha drishti will show desire to fight and > Rasi > > will show actual fights. However the break in > > marriage > > is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd > from > > UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly > > begining of a new relation ship. > > Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, > short > > tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. > > > > Cheers > > lakshman > > > > --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote: > > > > > Respected gurujis and members, > > > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from > UL > > > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising > if > > > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > > > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > > > mars > > > being LL help or damage the marriage? > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Shobha > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Freedom and Lakshman, Namaskar I agree that noone should look at second from upapada in isolation, however there is a need to be specific in terms and usage. The second from upapada shows the end of the marriage, and the seventh from this shows the door through which the new spouse will arrive. Hence the eighth from upapada shows the next partner (if any). In some cases where the second lord from upapada is in the eighth from upapada, the first marriage brakes because of the second partner. So for sake of being specific ‘second from upapada is the sustenance of the marriage and eighth from upapada is the next marriage and hence end of first marriage’. But even this does not hold up, as in many cases i’ve found that people have been married but also had a girlfriend for many years corresponding to their next upapada, but due to the strength of the first marriage, they have not divorced. So finally the second house from upapada is most important to keep the marriage alive. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold"> [] On Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma 18 August 2005 22:35 RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of marriage 12.0pt"> ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah:|| Dear Freedom & Visti That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more damaging by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer or the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence will be less as compared to 8th. Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of you welcome back to the lists. Lakshman --- freedom <freedom (AT) (DOT) org> wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > After being away for a while, it is nice to return > to a discussion on > arudha. > > The weakness/affliction of the second allows the > marriage (UL) to break, but > the 8th house plays an important role in that as > well. Relatively speaking, > no house can work in isolation from an arudha, they > are always working in > reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and eighth, > etc. Looking at an > arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as > arudhas work in reflection, > a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as much > affect as the planet > conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in the > first or seventh will > make one well liked and well known. In the same way > the 2-8 axis cannot > fully be separated when working with an arudha, it > is an axis. > > One to contemplate: > A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses, > the other half it cannot > by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an > arudha you always look at > its placement and its reflection/opposite house > (sometimes to the point > where you take the stronger of the arudha or its > reflection as in mrtyupada > calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can > only occupy half the > chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as > each point of consideration > involves two houses. Yet this double can also be > perceived as only half the > chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based > perspective. > > Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship take > both the second and > eighth from the UL into account. > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Visti Larsen > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > marriage > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > Dear Lakshman, Namaskar > No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the > marriage. 8th from the > Upapada is the next spouse. > Best wishes, > *** > Visti Larsen > For services and articles visit: > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > *** > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma > 17 August 2005 18:45 > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > marriage > > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| > Dear Shoba > 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of 'Ma' > by graha drishti will show desire to fight and Rasi > will show actual fights. However the break in > marriage > is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd from > UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly > begining of a new relation ship. > Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, short > tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. > > Cheers > lakshman > > --- shobha S <shobhas60 > wrote: > > > Respected gurujis and members, > > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from UL > > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising if > > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > > mars > > being LL help or damage the marriage? > > Thanks in advance, > > Shobha > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > > protection around > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? 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Guest guest Posted August 19, 2005 Report Share Posted August 19, 2005 Dear Visti Just to mention that in olden days, men used to have multiple wives say for status and other reasons for Vamsa vriddhi etc. King dasaratha had 3 wives etc.. Rama started the Eka patni tradition and It is in modern days that the laws do not permit one to have more than one spouse. so in principle I have to agree with you that 2nd house from UL does determines sustainance of 1st marriage and so on.. Thanks for the explanation.. Lakshman --- Visti Larsen <visti wrote: > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Freedom and Lakshman, Namaskar > > I agree that noone should look at second from > upapada in isolation, however > there is a need to be specific in terms and usage. > The second from upapada > shows the end of the marriage, and the seventh from > this shows the door > through which the new spouse will arrive. Hence the > eighth from upapada > shows the next partner (if any). > > In some cases where the second lord from upapada is > in the eighth from > upapada, the first marriage brakes because of the > second partner. > > So for sake of being specific 'second from upapada > is the sustenance of the > marriage and eighth from upapada is the next > marriage and hence end of first > marriage'. But even this does not hold up, as in > many cases i've found that > people have been married but also had a girlfriend > for many years > corresponding to their next upapada, but due to the > strength of the first > marriage, they have not divorced. So finally the > second house from upapada > is most important to keep the marriage alive. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > <http://astrovisti.com> > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > [] On > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma > 18 August 2005 22:35 > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > marriage > > > > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah:|| > Dear Freedom & Visti > That is an excellent suggestion. I stated 8th mainly > because between 2nd, 8th 8th seem to be more > damaging > by being a dusthana where as 2nd is also sustainer > or > the resource for the 1st house. Even though as a > Maraka for the 1st house, I thought its influence > will > be less as compared to 8th. > Any how thanks for enlightenment. By the way both of > you welcome back to the lists. > > Lakshman > > --- freedom <freedom wrote: > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > > After being away for a while, it is nice to return > > to a discussion on > > arudha. > > > > The weakness/affliction of the second allows the > > marriage (UL) to break, but > > the 8th house plays an important role in that as > > well. Relatively speaking, > > no house can work in isolation from an arudha, > they > > are always working in > > reflection, ie. Fist and seventh, second and > eighth, > > etc. Looking at an > > arudha, the 1-7 axis will affect it primarily as > > arudhas work in reflection, > > a planet in the 7th from AL will have almost as > much > > affect as the planet > > conjunct the AL. For example, Moon or Jupiter in > the > > first or seventh will > > make one well liked and well known. In the same > way > > the 2-8 axis cannot > > fully be separated when working with an arudha, it > > is an axis. > > > > One to contemplate: > > A house arudha can only occupy half of the houses, > > the other half it cannot > > by default of calculation. Yet when looking at an > > arudha you always look at > > its placement and its reflection/opposite house > > (sometimes to the point > > where you take the stronger of the arudha or its > > reflection as in mrtyupada > > calculations). So while the actual arudhapada can > > only occupy half the > > chart, its reading is in double (in an axis), as > > each point of consideration > > involves two houses. Yet this double can also be > > perceived as only half the > > chart, if the chart was read in a total axis based > > perspective. > > > > Anyway, when looking at the end of relationship > take > > both the second and > > eighth from the UL into account. > > > > Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Visti Larsen > > Wednesday, August 17, 2005 10:14 AM > > > > RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > > marriage > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Lakshman, Namaskar > > No, 2nd from the Upapada does indeed break the > > marriage. 8th from the > > Upapada is the next spouse. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or > > <http://astrovisti.com> > > http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > _____ > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Lakshman Brahma > > 17 August 2005 18:45 > > > > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Sustenance of > > marriage > > > > ||Shree Gurubyoh Namah|| > > Dear Shoba > > 2nd from UL shows thw sustainance and aspect of > 'Ma' > > by graha drishti will show desire to fight and > Rasi > > will show actual fights. However the break in > > marriage > > is to be seen fron 8th from UL, and not on 2nd > from > > UL. It is the break in partnership and possibly > > begining of a new relation ship. > > Ma as LL will make the native more aggressive, > short > > tempered and also dynamiic or say energetic. > > > > Cheers > > lakshman > > > > --- shobha S <shobhas60 wrote: > > > > > Respected gurujis and members, > > > Sustenance of marriage is seen from second from > UL > > > (apart from other indicators). For Aries rising > if > > > mars is in 3rd house aspecting 2nd from UL will > > > marriage end with fights? UL is in scorpio. Will > > > mars > > > being LL help or damage the marriage? > > > Thanks in advance, > > > Shobha > > > > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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