RE: Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

September 2, 2005

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti,

Namaskar.

I’ve

never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an ability for

Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i don’t

remember seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

color:navy">Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or

eleventh house, to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Here the Lagna is intelligence or

application of the same.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">The fourth house is the reading of books

and scriptures, in a formal scene.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">The seventh house is the interaction with

others and learning through discussions and interactions.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

knowledge whilst it is taught.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Finally the eleventh house helps the

person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

But these

can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is

that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level sambandha.

Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For this

reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV

Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord Guru

and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN Rao’s

chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay

Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR

Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my

chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for

this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is playing

out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for fame, or

good predictions, etc.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit:

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02 September 2005 13:04

[Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

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10.0pt">Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Can you please explain some points a person should have to

show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

Also in one email I

read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

in the 8th house.

It would be fallen in this position. Would this

mean the person has

no scope in Jyotish?

Regards,

Shruti

September 2, 2005

Dear Visti,Pranaam

I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in lagna and both are

aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below mentioned atma-level

sambandha in learning jyotish.

I remember reading in your book that planets in 11th also indicate

how does one learn,for example, saturn indicates learning through

some tradition/parampara.

I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it indicate learning through a

Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.

The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting in less/zero

fortune through this.

Is this correct assumtion ?

Regards,

Sameer

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

>

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving

an ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i

don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or

eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

>

> 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

> 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a

formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst

it is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through

hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or

chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or

ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which is always

eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate with the

eleventh house

> in Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with

eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame

through

> jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure

out how it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look

for yogas

> for fame, or good predictions, etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of shrupata

> 02 September 2005 13:04

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

>

> Can you please explain some points a person should have

to

> show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one email I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th

house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person has

> no scope in Jyotish?

>

> Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your group "

> <> " on the web.

>

> *

>

> <?

subject=Un>

>

> *

> <> Terms of Service.

>

> _____

September 2, 2005

II Hare Rama Krsna II

Dear Guruji,

Could You throw light, what are the Yogas for good prediction ?

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

-

Visti Larsen

Friday, September 02, 2005 1:29 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

I’ve never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an ability for

Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i don’t remember

seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good you are at

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or eleventh house,

to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a formal scene.

The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning through discussions and interactions.

The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst it is taught.

Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect

rememberance through hearing.

But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level

sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For

this reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord

Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN Rao’s chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is

playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for

fame, or good predictions, etc.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of shrupata02 September 2005 13:04To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen, Can you please explain some points a person

should have to show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one

email I read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th house. It would

be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person hasno scope in

Jyotish?Regards,Shruti

September 2, 2005

Dear Visti,

Pranaam.

This is one of the combinations stressed upon at SJC and with just

cause. The role of the 11th House and the AK does indeed shed great

light on the matter. In one's own chart (as rectified by you) (11th

June, 1972; Cuttack, Orissa; 10:17AM), the AK Surya is placed in the

10th House with Saturn and Moon and the dispositor of the AK, Venus

is placed in the 11th House with the 11th Lord and the Yogakaraka

Mangal. There is Rashi Drishti with Guru in the 5th House in Dhanu

as well.

Jyotish has been a central theme in life since the Guru Dasha began.

Regards.

Anurag.

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

>

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving

an ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i

don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or

eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

>

> 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

> 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in

a formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst

it is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through

hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or

chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or

ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which is always

eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate with the

eleventh house

> in Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with

eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame

through

> jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure

out how it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look

for yogas

> for fame, or good predictions, etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of shrupata

> 02 September 2005 13:04

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

>

> Can you please explain some points a person should have

to

> show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one email

I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th

house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person has

> no scope in Jyotish?

>

> Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your group "

> <> " on the web.

>

> *

>

> <?

subject=Un>

>

> *

> <> Terms of Service.

>

> _____

September 2, 2005

Thanks for your reply. What if the AK is in the 11th house in D-24

rather than the Rasi Chart would this show any ability to learn Jyotish? Does

Jupiter fallen in the 8th house in D-24 mean that the person must put in more

effort and concentration to learn? Also what role does the 9th house and 5th

house play in the D-24 chart?

Regards,

ShrutiVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

I’ve never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an ability for

Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i don’t remember

seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good you are at

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or eleventh house,

to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a formal scene.

The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning through discussions and interactions.

The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst it is taught.

Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect

rememberance through hearing.

But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level

sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For

this reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord

Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN Rao’s chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is

playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for

fame, or good predictions, etc.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of shrupata02 September 2005 13:04To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen, Can you please explain some points a person

should have to show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one

email I read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th house. It would

be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person hasno scope in

Jyotish?Regards,

New">Shruti

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September 2, 2005

Dear Shruti

If I may assist..

1/In D-24 better to have Jupiter in Trikona or Kendra

2/9H in D-24 is for bachelor's studies & teacher/s

3/5H in D-24 is for hobbies

Regards

Rafal Gendarz

-

Shruti Patel

Friday, September 02, 2005 3:24 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Thanks for your reply. What if the AK is in the 11th house in D-24

rather than the Rasi Chart would this show any ability to learn Jyotish? Does

Jupiter fallen in the 8th house in D-24 mean that the person must put in more

effort and concentration to learn? Also what role does the 9th house and 5th

house play in the D-24 chart?

Regards,

ShrutiVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

I’ve never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an ability for

Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i don’t remember

seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good you are at

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or eleventh house,

to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a formal scene.

The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning through discussions and interactions.

The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst it is taught.

Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect

rememberance through hearing.

But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level

sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For

this reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord

Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN Rao’s chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is

playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for

fame, or good predictions, etc.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of shrupata02 September 2005 13:04To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen, Can you please explain some points a person

should have to show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one

email I read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th house. It would

be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person hasno scope in

Jyotish?Regards,Shruti

Start your day with - make it your home page

September 2, 2005

Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat

Dear Visti, Namaskar,

In one of his lectures Narasimha associates 11H to jyotish learning because of

it being 4th(learning) from 8th (occult).

Kind regards

Ramesh

[]On Behalf Of Visti LarsenFriday,

September 02, 2005 7:30 AMSubject: RE: [Om

Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

I’ve never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an

ability for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i

don’t remember seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good you are at

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or eleventh house,

to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a formal scene.

The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning through discussions and interactions.

The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst it is taught.

Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect

rememberance through hearing.

But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level

sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For

this reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord

Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN Rao’s chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is

playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for

fame, or good predictions, etc.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of shrupata02 September 2005 13:04To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen, Can you please explain some points a person

should have to show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one

email I read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th house. It would

be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person hasno scope in

Jyotish?Regards,Shruti

September 2, 2005

Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Visti, Namaskar,

Regarding the following:

> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

> desire or ability to

> learn jyotish.

Are there any other combinations for this? I found

that in all charts of great astrologers there was this

one combination you mention of Atmakaraka and eleventh

house in Rasi. There is no such combination in my own

chart, so where does my desire spring from? The other

point was that there are also many people with the

Atmakaraka in sambandha with eleventh house in Rasi

who have no faith, let alone desire, in Jyotish. So

how can we be sure? It seems that there is more to

it.

Respectfully,

Michal.

Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Visti Larsen <visti wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

>

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth

> house giving an ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this

> regard. Also i don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts of

> jyotishas.

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

> indicate how good you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a

> kendra or eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very receptive

> when learning.

>

> 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of

> the same.

> 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and

> scriptures, in a formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh house is the interaction with others

> and learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

> knowledge whilst it is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn

> through hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

> jyotish or chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

> desire or ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which

> is always eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate

> with the eleventh house

> in Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in

> mutual dristi with eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras

> for fame through

> jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh

> house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh

> lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh

> house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important combination

> first, or figure out how it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing

> this, you can look for yogas

> for fame, or good predictions, etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of shrupata

> 02 September 2005 13:04

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

> Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

>

> Can you please explain some points a

> person should have to

> show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also

> in one email I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

> show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

> in the 8th house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would this mean

> the person has

> no scope in Jyotish?

>

> Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

> Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

> Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> Great who said that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> free chart reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your group "

> <> " on

> the web.

>

> *

>

<?subject=Un>

>

> * Your use of is subject to the

>

> <> Terms of

> Service.

>

> _____

>

September 2, 2005

Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Sameer, Namaskar,

If i may just point out that the current President of

USA also has AK Venus in Lagna as well as being the

eleventh lord, and in turn aspecting its own house,

satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish.

BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter debilitated in

Navamsa give excellent results for spiritual and

scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras or

trines.

Respectfully,

Michal.

Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam wrote:

> Dear Visti,Pranaam

>

> I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in lagna and

> both are

> aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below

> mentioned atma-level

> sambandha in learning jyotish.

>

> I remember reading in your book that planets in 11th

> also indicate

> how does one learn,for example, saturn indicates

> learning through

> some tradition/parampara.

>

> I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it indicate

> learning through a

> Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.

>

> The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting

> in less/zero

> fortune through this.

>

> Is this correct assumtion ?

>

> Regards,

> Sameer

> , "Visti Larsen"

> <visti@s...>

> wrote:

> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> >

> > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

> >

> > I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

> eighth house giving

> an ability

> > for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in

> this regard. Also i

> don't

> > remember seeing this placement in the charts of

> jyotishas.

> >

> > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

> indicate how good

> you are at

> > learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in

> a kendra or

> eleventh

> > house, to ensure that the person is very receptive

> when learning.

> >

> > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

> of the same.

> > 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and

> scriptures, in a

> formal

> > scene.

> > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with

> others and learning

> > through discussions and interactions.

> > 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

> knowledge whilst

> it is

> > taught.

> > 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person

> learn through

> hearing,

> > i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

> >

> > But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

> jyotish or

> chemistry.

> >

> > Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> there must be an

> > atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

> desire or

> ability to

> > learn jyotish. For this reason one combination

> which is always

> eulogized

> > among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

> associate with the

> eleventh house

> > in Rasi.

> >

> > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in

> mutual dristi with

> eleventh

> > lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

> kendras for fame

> through

> > jyotish.

> >

> > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

> >

> > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh

> house.

> >

> > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh

> lord.

> >

> > In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

> eleventh house.

> >

> > Look for this simple, yet important combination

> first, or figure

> out how it

> > is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing

> this, you can look

> for yogas

> > for fame, or good predictions, etc.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> > http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> >

> > _____

> >

> [] On

> > Behalf Of shrupata

> > 02 September 2005 13:04

> >

> > [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to

> Guru Visti Larsen

> >

> > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

> >

> > Can you please explain some points a

> person should have

> to

> > show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

> Also in one email I

> > read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

> show ability for

> > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

> in the 8th

> house.

> > It would be fallen in this position. Would this

> mean the person has

> > no scope in Jyotish?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Shruti

> >

> > ~ om tat sat ~

> > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

> Achyuta Ashram.

> > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

> Rama Krishna'

> > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> Great who said

> that the

> > human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> animals.

> > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> free chart

> reading today

> >

> > _____

> >

> > * Visit your group "

> > <> " on

> the web.

> >

> > * To from this group, send an email

> to:

>

=== message truncated ===

September 2, 2005

In the book compiled by the Students of SJC-Boston ( Lessons on Vedic

Astrology by PVR Narasimha Rao ) which can be downloaded at

http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/book1.htm

At the beginning of Lesson 28 it states that:

1. D24 - 2nd (application of occult knowledge, prediction)

5th (overall intelligence)

8th (occult knowledge you learn)

11th (4th from 8th is learning Occult knowledge)

These are the important houses for learning occult knowledge.

2. D-24 Link b/n atmakaraka and 11th, means soul level connection for learning

astrology.

It is very important.

3. If you are checking someone's status use Arudha Lagna

4. D-24 4th house is for grasping and 5th house is retention. Check their Lords.

In my Rasi Chart there is no connection between my AK and the 11th house. That

does not make sense though because I have a lot of interest in Jyotish.

However, if you look at my D-24 chart my AK is in the 11th house. So what are

you thoughts on checking the 11th house in D-24 for atma-level interest in

learning Jyotish?

Regards,

Shruti

Shruti Patel <shrupata > wrote:

Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Thanks for your reply. What if the AK is in the 11th house in D-24

rather than the Rasi Chart would this show any ability to learn Jyotish? Does

Jupiter fallen in the 8th house in D-24 mean that the person must put in more

effort and concentration to learn? Also what role does the 9th house and 5th

house play in the D-24 chart?

Regards,

ShrutiVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

I’ve never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an ability for

Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i don’t remember

seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good you are at

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or eleventh house,

to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a formal scene.

The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning through discussions and interactions.

The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst it is taught.

Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect

rememberance through hearing.

But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level

sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For

this reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord

Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN Rao’s chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is

playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for

fame, or good predictions, etc.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of shrupata02 September 2005 13:04To:

Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen, Can you please explain some points a person

should have to show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one

email I read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th house. It would

be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person hasno scope in

Jyotish?Regards,

New">Shruti

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September 2, 2005

Dear Jyotisha, Pranaam

In line with the current discussion and what sameer asked...

My AK Venus is joined 11th lord Mercury in the fourth house of education.

What would be the influence of "Ketu" in 11th house.

In navamsa I have "Ketu" in trine to AK which also form a yoga for learning

astrology.

Should we take "Ketu" in 11th house as learning through highly spiritual

person?

Also can it indicate the person in the sense that "Ketu" is Gurudev's Lagan

lord and involved in Kalaamrit yoga?

Regards

Ajay

-

"Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal

<>

Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:07 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

> Hare Rama Krsna::

>

> Dear Sameer, Namaskar,

>

> If i may just point out that the current President of

> USA also has AK Venus in Lagna as well as being the

> eleventh lord, and in turn aspecting its own house,

> satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish.

>

> BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter debilitated in

> Navamsa give excellent results for spiritual and

> scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras or

> trines.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal.

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya::

>

> --- sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam wrote:

>

> > Dear Visti,Pranaam

> >

> > I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in lagna and

> > both are

> > aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below

> > mentioned atma-level

> > sambandha in learning jyotish.

> >

> > I remember reading in your book that planets in 11th

> > also indicate

> > how does one learn,for example, saturn indicates

> > learning through

> > some tradition/parampara.

> >

> > I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it indicate

> > learning through a

> > Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.

> >

> > The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting

> > in less/zero

> > fortune through this.

> >

> > Is this correct assumtion ?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sameer

> > , "Visti Larsen"

> > <visti@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

> > >

> > > I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

> > eighth house giving

> > an ability

> > > for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in

> > this regard. Also i

> > don't

> > > remember seeing this placement in the charts of

> > jyotishas.

> > >

> > > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

> > indicate how good

> > you are at

> > > learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in

> > a kendra or

> > eleventh

> > > house, to ensure that the person is very receptive

> > when learning.

> > >

> > > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

> > of the same.

> > > 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and

> > scriptures, in a

> > formal

> > > scene.

> > > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with

> > others and learning

> > > through discussions and interactions.

> > > 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

> > knowledge whilst

> > it is

> > > taught.

> > > 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person

> > learn through

> > hearing,

> > > i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

> > >

> > > But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

> > jyotish or

> > chemistry.

> > >

> > > Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> > there must be an

> > > atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

> > desire or

> > ability to

> > > learn jyotish. For this reason one combination

> > which is always

> > eulogized

> > > among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

> > associate with the

> > eleventh house

> > > in Rasi.

> > >

> > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in

> > mutual dristi with

> > eleventh

> > > lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

> > kendras for fame

> > through

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

> > >

> > > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh

> > house.

> > >

> > > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh

> > lord.

> > >

> > > In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

> > eleventh house.

> > >

> > > Look for this simple, yet important combination

> > first, or figure

> > out how it

> > > is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing

> > this, you can look

> > for yogas

> > > for fame, or good predictions, etc.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > http://astrovisti.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of shrupata

> > > 02 September 2005 13:04

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to

> > Guru Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

> > >

> > > Can you please explain some points a

> > person should have

> > to

> > > show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

> > Also in one email I

> > > read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

> > show ability for

> > > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

> > in the 8th

> > house.

> > > It would be fallen in this position. Would this

> > mean the person has

> > > no scope in Jyotish?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shruti

> > >

> > > ~ om tat sat ~

> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

> > Achyuta Ashram.

> > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

> > Rama Krishna'

> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> > Great who said

> > that the

> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> > animals.

> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> > free chart

> > reading today

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > * Visit your group "

> > > <> " on

> > the web.

> > >

> > > * To from this group, send an email

> > to:

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

> Links

>

September 2, 2005

, "Visti Larsen" <visti@s...>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Namaskar

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving

an ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i

don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

(Govinda)

Sinse I asked this question about Jupiter in D24/8H to Samir, let me

state that I heard from SJC Guru PVR Narasimha Rao saying in one of

his lectures given to his students in Boston something about that.

Abstract is that D24/8H is important for learning astrology. No

mention of Jupiter there by Narasimha.

He says:

"D24 is the chart of education and 4th house is the main hoise of

learning. But for occult learning it is 8th house. In general 8th

house is the house of hidden things and house of tapasya, and occult

knowledge does not come just by reading a book, it is realy hidden

knowledge and only through tapasya and sadhana you understand that

klowledge. So for knowledge like Astrology the 8th house is more

important, then 4th house.

If we listen by Winamp player, lecture #7, 35th minute, 50th

second, one finds this text above. One can also download the main

points from those lectures collected in an

e-book, which is found at Narasimha Rao's site

http://www.vedicastrologer.org/

there find this link

"the website maintained by my students"

Then

"here"

where one can download the book.

The text I found on the MP3 lecture is also there in the book,

Lesson #7, paragraph 9.

"9. Occult learning – hidden knowledge - see 8th house in D24 –

House of hiding and tapasya. for example Jyotisha doesn't just

come by reading a book, 8th house strength is needed to make it

fruitful."

>From this I concluded that Jupiter in Sagittarius in D24/8H would be

conducive for Jyotish, although Narasimha Rao said only that 8th

House is important. He didn't mention Jupiter there in his own

house. This is my situation, if Samir and I have properly determined

my BT, which I think we did.

You said that Atma karaka association with 11th house in Rasi shows

Jyotish. I started Jyotish 8 months ago during Mercury-Rahu dasa.

Rahu in my chart gives Graha Drsti to 11th house, where Saturn

resides. Graha dristi is temporary, so it would mean starting

something.

Rahu is in Capricorn in 7th house and Saturn is in 11th in Taurus,

so Rahu and Saturn have mutual permanent or Rasi Dristi, which would

mean started study will continue. My atmakaraka is Rahu. I was

quite happy finding this out.

AK dispositor in 11th

AK rasi and graha dristi on AK dispositor in 11th

AK dispositor's rasi dristi on his own house.

AK dispositor's rasi dristi on AK.

Saturn involved in Maha Yogada.

Rahu vargottama

Saturn strong per astakavarga

Maha Yogada and Jupiter in D24 applies if BT=4.46 as decided by

Samir.

Just a small comment although most likely full of mistakes. It

substantiates my faith in me learning

Jyotish.

ys

Govinda

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or

eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

>

> 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

> 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in

a formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst

it is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through

hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or

chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or

ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which is always

eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate with the

eleventh house

> in Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with

eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame

through

> jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important combination first, or figure

out how it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look

for yogas

> for fame, or good predictions, etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

<http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[] On

> Behalf Of shrupata

> 02 September 2005 13:04

>

> [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

>

> Can you please explain some points a person should have

to

> show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also in one email

I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn in the 8th

house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would this mean the person has

> no scope in Jyotish?

>

> Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said

that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your group "

> <> " on the web.

>

> *

>

> <?

subject=Un>

>

> *

> <> Terms of Service.

>

> _____

September 2, 2005

Dear Jyotisas, namaste.

I support Michals line of questioning in this discussion. Most of the great

astrologers satisfy this criteria but it is not a necessary and sufficient

criteria.

In my rasi chart, I do not have any tangible connection between the AK Mars and

the 11th house or 11th lord, Mercury. But in navamsa, Mercury is in 7th from

karakamsa. Just before the onset of Mars mahadasa (Vimsottari), I first started

dabbling in astrology and the learning accelerated after the mahadasa commenced.

regards

Hari

On 9/3/05, ajayzharotia <zharotia (AT) dataone (DOT) in> wrote:

Dear Jyotisha, PranaamIn line with the current discussion and what sameer

asked...My AK Venus is joined 11th lord Mercury in the fourth house of

education.

What would be the influence of "Ketu" in 11th house.In navamsa I have "Ketu" in

trine to AK which also form a yoga for learningastrology.Should we take "Ketu"

in 11th house as learning through highly spiritual

person?Also can it indicate the person in the sense that "Ketu" is Gurudev's

Laganlord and involved in Kalaamrit yoga?RegardsAjay----- Original Message

----- "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal ><

>

Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:07 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru]

Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen> Hare Rama Krsna::>> Dear Sameer,

Namaskar,

>> If i may just point out that the current President of> USA also has AK Venus

in Lagna as well as being the> eleventh lord, and in turn aspecting its own

house,> satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish.

>> BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter debilitated in> Navamsa give excellent

results for spiritual and> scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras or>

trines.>> Respectfully,

> Michal.>> Om Namo Narayanaya::>>>> --- sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam (AT) vsnl (DOT) net

> wrote:>> > Dear Visti,Pranaam> >> > I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in

lagna and> > both are> > aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below> >

mentioned atma-level

> > sambandha in learning jyotish.> >> > I remember reading in your book that

planets in 11th> > also indicate> > how does one learn,for example, saturn

indicates> > learning through

> > some tradition/parampara.> >> > I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it

indicate> > learning through a> > Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.>

>> > The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting

> > in less/zero> > fortune through this.> >> > Is this correct assumtion ?> >>

>> > Regards,> > Sameer> >

, "Visti Larsen"> > <visti@s...>> > wrote:> > >

||Hare Rama Krsna||> > >> > > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.> > >

> > > I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the> > eighth house giving> > an

ability> > > for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in> > this regard. Also

i

> > don't> > > remember seeing this placement in the charts of> > jyotishas.> >

>> > >> > >> > > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

> > indicate how good> > you are at> > > learning anything. Preferably Jupiter

should be in> > a kendra or> > eleventh> > > house, to ensure that the person

is very receptive

> > when learning.> > >> > > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application> >

of the same.> > > 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and> > scriptures,

in a

> > formal> > > scene.> > > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with> >

others and learning> > > through discussions and interactions.> > > 4. The

tenth house is sight or visualizing the

> > knowledge whilst> > it is> > > taught.> > > 5. Finally the eleventh house

helps the person> > learn through> > hearing,> > > i.e. perfect rememberance

through hearing.

> > >> > >> > >> > > But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it> > jyotish

or> > chemistry.> > >> > > Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> > there must be an> > > atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no> >

desire or> > ability to> > > learn jyotish. For this reason one combination> >

which is always

> > eulogized> > > among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must> > associate with

the> > eleventh house> > > in Rasi.> > >> > >> > >

> > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in> > mutual dristi with> >

eleventh> > > lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the> > kendras for fame>

> through

> > > jyotish.> > >> > > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.> > >> > >>

> >> > > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh

> > house.> > >> > > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh> > lord.>

> >> > > In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the> > eleventh house.

> > >> > >> > >> > > Look for this simple, yet important combination> > first,

or figure> > out how it> > > is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing

> > this, you can look> > for yogas> > > for fame, or good predictions, etc.> >

>> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > ***> > >> > > Visti Larsen

> > >> > > For services and articles visit:> > >> > > <http://srigaruda.com

> http://srigaruda.com or> > <

http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> > > http://astrovisti.com> > >> > > ***

> > >> > > _____> > >> > >

> > [] On> > > Behalf Of shrupata> > > Sent:

02 September 2005 13:04

> > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Learning

Jyotish to

> > Guru Visti Larsen> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,> > >> > >

Can you please explain some points a> > person should have

> > to> > > show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.> > Also in one email

I> > > read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would> > show ability for> > >

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

> > in the 8th> > house.> > > It would be fallen in this position. Would this> >

mean the person has> > > no scope in Jyotish?> > >> > > Regards,

> > > Shruti> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ~ om tat sat ~> > > Thank you for

maintaining the decorum of the> > Achyuta Ashram.

> > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> > Rama Krishna'> > >

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the> > Great who said> > that

the> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> > animals.> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one> > free

chart> > reading today> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _____

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>>>> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum

of the Achyuta Ashram.> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama

Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that

the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity

in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today> Links>>>>>

>>

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'(2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Michal,

Namaskar

Just keep

in mind that there must be a desire on the atma-level.

In the

example you cite of George Bush, i’ve heard rumors that he does seek the

help of astrologers.

In your

chart there is not link between atmakaraka and the eleventh house/lord. However

we are also taught that retrograde planets carry a very strong desire from past

lives, i.e. on an atma level.

Normally a

planets desire manifests on an intellectual (lagna) and mental (mana) level. Retrograde

planets have a desire manifest on a soul level as well.

You will

notice that Guru is eleventh lord in your chart and is retrograde. Guru

Mahadasa has been running since 2001.

Best

wishes,

***

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[] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski

03 September 2005 01:25

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Visti, Namaskar,

Regarding the following:

> Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish

> there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there

is no

> desire or ability to

> learn jyotish.

Are there any other combinations for this? I

found

that in all charts of great astrologers there was

this

one combination you mention of Atmakaraka and

eleventh

house in Rasi. There is no such combination

in my own

chart, so where does my desire spring from?

The other

point was that there are also many people with the

Atmakaraka in sambandha with eleventh house in

Rasi

who have no faith, let alone desire, in

Jyotish. So

how can we be sure? It seems that there is

more to

it.

Respectfully,

Michal.

Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

>

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

eighth

> house giving an ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently

in this

> regard. Also i don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts

of

> jyotishas.

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24)

will

> indicate how good you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should

be in a

> kendra or eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very

receptive

> when learning.

>

> 1. Here the

Lagna is intelligence or application of

> the same.

> 2. The fourth

house is the reading of books and

> scriptures, in a formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh house

is the interaction with others

> and learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth

house is sight or visualizing the

> knowledge whilst it is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the

eleventh house helps the person learn

> through hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be

it

> jyotish or chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish

> there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there

is no

> desire or ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one

combination which

> is always eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

associate

> with the eleventh house

> in Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is

in

> mutual dristi with eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

kendras

> for fame through

> jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the

eleventh

> house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the

eleventh

> lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

eleventh

> house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important

combination

> first, or figure out how it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after

seeing

> this, you can look for yogas

> for fame, or good predictions, etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> [] On

> Behalf Of shrupata

> 02 September 2005 13:04

>

> [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

> Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

>

Can you please explain some points a

> person should have to

> show if they have the ability to learn

Jyotish. Also

> in one email I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24

would

> show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in

Capricorn

> in the 8th house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would

this mean

> the person has

> no scope in Jyotish?

>

> Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta

> Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare

> Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the

> Great who said that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard

for

> animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do

one

> free chart reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your

group "

> <>

" on

> the web.

>

> * To

from this group, send an email to:

>

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Dear

Hari, Namaskar

Rahu is

connecting the eleventh house and AK, in your chart.

Best

wishes,

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[] On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya

03 September 2005 07:20

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

font-family:Georgia">||om bhurbhuvahsvah brihaspataye namah||

12.0pt">

font-family:Georgia">Dear Jyotisas, namaste.

12.0pt">

font-family:Georgia">I support Michals line of questioning in this discussion.

Most of the great astrologers satisfy this criteria but it is not a

necessary and sufficient criteria.

12.0pt">

font-family:Georgia">In my rasi chart, I do not have any tangible connection

between the AK Mars and the 11th house or 11th lord, Mercury. But in

navamsa, Mercury is in 7th from karakamsa. Just before the onset of Mars

mahadasa (Vimsottari), I first started dabbling in astrology and the learning

accelerated after the mahadasa commenced.

12.0pt">

font-family:Georgia">regards

font-family:Georgia">Hari

12.0pt">

On 9/3/05, ajayzharotia

<zharotia (AT) dataone (DOT) in> wrote:

10.0pt">Dear Jyotisha, Pranaam

In line with the current discussion and what

sameer asked...

My AK Venus is joined 11th lord Mercury in the

fourth house of education.

What would be the influence of "Ketu" in

11th house.

In navamsa I have "Ketu" in trine to AK

which also form a yoga for learning

astrology.

Should we take "Ketu" in 11th house as

learning through highly spiritual

person?

Also can it indicate the person in the sense that

"Ketu" is Gurudev's Lagan

lord and involved in Kalaamrit yoga?

Regards

Ajay

-

"Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal >

< >

Saturday, September

03, 2005 5:07 AM

Re: [Om Krishna Guru]

Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

> Hare Rama Krsna::

>

> Dear Sameer, Namaskar,

>

> If i may just point out that the current President of

> USA

also has AK Venus in Lagna as well as being the

> eleventh lord, and in turn aspecting its own house,

> satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish.

>

> BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter debilitated in

> Navamsa give excellent results for spiritual and

> scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras or

> trines.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal.

>

> Om Namo Narayanaya::

>

> --- sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam (AT) vsnl (DOT) net > wrote:

>

> > Dear Visti,Pranaam

> >

> > I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in lagna and

> > both are

> > aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below

> > mentioned atma-level

> > sambandha in learning jyotish.

> >

> > I remember reading in your book that planets in 11th

> > also indicate

> > how does one learn,for example, saturn indicates

> > learning through

> > some tradition/parampara.

> >

> > I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it indicate

> > learning through a

> > Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.

> >

> > The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting

> > in less/zero

> > fortune through this.

> >

> > Is this correct assumtion ?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sameer

> > , "Visti Larsen"

> > <visti@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

> > >

> > > I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

> > eighth house giving

> > an ability

> > > for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in

> > this regard. Also i

> > don't

> > > remember seeing this placement in the charts of

> > jyotishas.

> > >

> > > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

> > indicate how good

> > you are at

> > > learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in

> > a kendra or

> > eleventh

> > > house, to ensure that the person is very receptive

> > when learning.

> > >

> > > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

> > of the same.

> > > 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and

> > scriptures, in a

> > formal

> > > scene.

> > > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with

> > others and learning

> > > through discussions and interactions.

> > > 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

> > knowledge whilst

> > it is

> > > taught.

> > > 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person

> > learn through

> > hearing,

> > > i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

> > >

> > > But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

> > jyotish or

> > chemistry.

> > >

> > > Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> > there must be an

> > > atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

> > desire or

> > ability to

> > > learn jyotish. For this reason one combination

> > which is always

> > eulogized

> > > among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

> > associate with the

> > eleventh house

> > > in Rasi.

> > >

> > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in

> > mutual dristi with

> > eleventh

> > > lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

> > kendras for fame

> > through

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

> > >

> > > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh

> > house.

> > >

> > > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh

> > lord.

> > >

> > > In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

> > eleventh house.

> > >

> > > Look for this simple, yet important combination

> > first, or figure

> > out how it

> > > is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing

> > this, you can look

> > for yogas

> > > for fame, or good predictions, etc.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com > http://srigaruda.com or

> > <

http://astrovisti.com>

> > > http://astrovisti.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of shrupata

> > > 02 September 2005 13:04

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to

> > Guru Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

> > >

> >

> Can you

please explain some points a

> > person should have

> > to

> > > show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

> > Also in one email I

> > > read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

> > show ability for

> > > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

> > in the 8th

> > house.

> > > It would be fallen in this position. Would this

> > mean the person has

> > > no scope in Jyotish?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shruti

> > >

> > > ~ om tat sat ~

> > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

> > Achyuta Ashram.

> > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

> > Rama Krishna'

> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> > Great who said

> > that the

> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for

> > animals.

> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> > free chart

> > reading today

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > * Visit your group "

> > > <

> " on

> > the web.

> > >

> > > * To from this group, send an email

> > to:

> >

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> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who

said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart

reading today

> Links

>

~

om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

Rama Krishna'

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September 3, 2005

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Dear Shruti,

Namaskar

For a

person who is soo attached to jyotish as you, the link must be more manifested

i.e. in the rasi chart, and not only the vargas.

Best

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[] On Behalf Of Shruti Patel

03 September 2005 02:27

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Guru Visti Larsen and Rafal,

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> In the book compiled by the

Students of SJC-Boston ( Lessons on Vedic Astrology by PVR Narasimha Rao )

which can be downloaded at http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net/book1.htm

12.0pt">

12.0pt">At the beginning of Lesson 28 it states that:

12.0pt">

12.0pt">1. D24

- 2nd (application of occult knowledge, prediction)

12.0pt">

5th (overall intelligence)

12.0pt">

8th (occult knowledge you learn)

12.0pt">

11th (4th from 8th is learning Occult knowledge)

12.0pt"> These

are the important houses for learning occult knowledge.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">2. D-24 Link

b/n atmakaraka and 11th, means soul level connection for learning astrology.

12.0pt">

It is very important.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">3. If you are checking someone's status use Arudha Lagna

12.0pt">

12.0pt">4. D-24 4th

house is for grasping and 5th house is retention. Check their Lords.

12.0pt">

12.0pt">In my Rasi Chart there is no connection between my AK and the 11th

house. That does not make sense though because I have a lot of interest in

Jyotish. However, if you look at my D-24 chart my AK is in the 11th house. So

what are you thoughts on checking the 11th house in D-24 for atma-level

interest in learning Jyotish?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Shruti

12.0pt">

Shruti Patel

<shrupata > wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

12.0pt">Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

12.0pt">

12.0pt"> Thanks for your reply. What

if the AK is in the 11th house in D-24 rather than the Rasi Chart would this

show any ability to learn Jyotish? Does Jupiter fallen in the 8th house in D-24

mean that the person must put in more effort and concentration to

learn? Also what role does the 9th house and 5th house play in the D-24 chart?

12.0pt">

12.0pt">Regards,

12.0pt">Shruti

Visti Larsen

<visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Shruti, Namaskar.

I’ve

never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth house giving an ability for

Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this regard. Also i don’t

remember seeing this placement in the charts of jyotishas.

color:navy">Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or

eleventh house, to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

of the same.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">The fourth house is the reading of books

and scriptures, in a formal scene.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">The seventh house is the interaction with

others and learning through discussions and interactions.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">The tenth house is sight or visualizing

the knowledge whilst it is taught.

font-family:"Bookman Old Style"">Finally the eleventh house helps the

person learn through hearing, i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

But these

can be good for anyone to learn, be it jyotish or chemistry.

Point is

that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an atma-level sambandha.

Without the atma there is no desire or ability to learn jyotish. For this

reason one combination which is always eulogized among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house in Rasi.

In BV

Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in mutual dristi with eleventh lord Guru

and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras for fame through jyotish.

In KN

Rao’s chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

In Sanjay

Rath’s chart, his AK is in the eleventh house.

In PVR

Narasimha Rao’s chart, AK is the eleventh lord.

In my

chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh house.

Look for

this simple, yet important combination first, or figure out how it is playing

out in your chart. Then after seeing this, you can look for yogas for fame, or

good predictions, etc.

Best

wishes,

***

10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen

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02 September 2005 13:04

[Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti

Larsen

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Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Can you please explain some points a person should have to

show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

Also in one email I

read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

show ability for

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

in the 8th house.

It would be fallen in this position. Would this

mean the person has

no scope in Jyotish?

Regards,

Shruti

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color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Ajay

and Sameer, Namaskar

The nature

of the planet in the eleventh house will show the approach one has. One with

Saturn there will be more focussed on the teachings of the elders, and will not

easily take on any modern research or teachings.

Surya does

the opposite and tries to get knowledge from every possible source.. focus is

on understanding here.

Mercury and

Jupiter are more focussed on the learning they can get from actual teachers,

and here there is less application and more theory and philosophy.

This way

you can differentiate between the planets.

Best

wishes,

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03 September 2005 04:02

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

10.0pt">Dear Jyotisha, Pranaam

In line with the current discussion and what

sameer asked...

My AK Venus is joined 11th lord Mercury in the

fourth house of education.

What would be the influence of "Ketu" in

11th house.

In navamsa I have "Ketu" in trine to AK

which also form a yoga for learning

astrology.

Should we take "Ketu" in 11th house as

learning through highly spiritual

person?

Also can it indicate the person in the sense that

"Ketu" is Gurudev's Lagan

lord and involved in Kalaamrit yoga?

Regards

Ajay

-

"Michal Dziwulski"

<>

Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:07 AM

Re: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

> Hare Rama Krsna::

>

> Dear Sameer, Namaskar,

>

> If i may just point out that the current

President of

> USA also has AK Venus in Lagna as

well as being the

> eleventh lord, and in turn aspecting its own

house,

> satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish.

>

> BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter

debilitated in

> Navamsa give excellent results for spiritual

and

> scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras

or

> trines.

>

> Respectfully,

> Michal.

>

> Om Namo

Narayanaya::

>

> --- sameer_sawhney

<icecoolsam (AT) vsnl (DOT) net> wrote:

>

> > Dear Visti,Pranaam

> >

> > I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus

in lagna and

> > both are

> > aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the

below

> > mentioned atma-level

> > sambandha in learning jyotish.

> >

> > I remember reading in your book that

planets in 11th

> > also indicate

> > how does one learn,for example, saturn

indicates

> > learning through

> > some tradition/parampara.

> >

> > I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it

indicate

> > learning through a

> > Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th

lord.

> >

> > The same jupiter is deblitated in

Navamsa resulting

> > in less/zero

> > fortune through this.

> >

> > Is this correct assumtion ?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Sameer

> > ,

"Visti Larsen"

> > <visti@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > >

> > > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

> > >

> > > I've never heard of Jupiters

placement in the

> > eighth house giving

> > an ability

> > > for Jyotish. I was taught quite

differently in

> > this regard. Also i

> > don't

> > > remember seeing this placement in

the charts of

> > jyotishas.

> > >

> > > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa

(d24) will

> > indicate how good

> > you are at

> > > learning anything. Preferably

Jupiter should be in

> > a kendra or

> > eleventh

> > > house, to ensure that the person is

very receptive

> > when learning.

> > >

> > > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence

or application

> > of the same.

> > > 2. The fourth house is the reading

of books and

> > scriptures, in a

> > formal

> > > scene.

> > > 3. The seventh house is the

interaction with

> > others and learning

> > > through discussions and

interactions.

> > > 4. The tenth house is sight or

visualizing the

> > knowledge whilst

> > it is

> > > taught.

> > > 5. Finally the eleventh house helps

the person

> > learn through

> > hearing,

> > > i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

> > >

> > > But these can be good for anyone to

learn, be it

> > jyotish or

> > chemistry.

> > >

> > > Point is that for one to be

interested in Jyotish

> > there must be an

> > > atma-level sambandha. Without the

atma there is no

> > desire or

> > ability to

> > > learn jyotish. For this reason one

combination

> > which is always

> > eulogized

> > > among sjc-members is; the

Atmakaraka must

> > associate with the

> > eleventh house

> > > in Rasi.

> > >

> > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is

chandra and is in

> > mutual dristi with

> > eleventh

> > > lord Guru and forming gajakesari

yoga in the

> > kendras for fame

> > through

> > > jyotish.

> > >

> > > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is

eleventh lord.

> > >

> > > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is

in the eleventh

> > house.

> > >

> > > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is

the eleventh

> > lord.

> > >

> > > In my chart, the dispositor of AK

is in the

> > eleventh house.

> > >

> > > Look for this simple, yet important

combination

> > first, or figure

> > out how it

> > > is playing out in your chart. Then

after seeing

> > this, you can look

> > for yogas

> > > for fame, or good predictions, etc.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > For services and articles visit:

> > >

> > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or

> > <http://astrovisti.com>

> > > http://astrovisti.com

> > >

> > > ***

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of shrupata

> > > 02 September 2005 13:04

> > >

> > > [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to

> > Guru Visti Larsen

> > >

> > > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

> > >

> >

> Can you

please explain some points a

> > person should have

> > to

> > > show if they have the ability to

learn Jyotish.

> > Also in one email I

> > > read that Jupiter in the 8th house

in D-24 would

> > show ability for

> > > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter

was in Capricorn

> > in the 8th

> > house.

> > > It would be fallen in this

position. Would this

> > mean the person has

> > > no scope in Jyotish?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Shruti

> > >

> > > ~ om tat sat ~

> > > Thank you for maintaining the

decorum of the

> > Achyuta Ashram.

> > > Reminders: (1) Recite the

Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

> > Rama Krishna'

> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian -

remember Akbar the

> > Great who said

> > that the

> > > human stomach should not become a

graveyard for

> > animals.

> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one

> > free chart

> > reading today

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > * Visit your group

"

> > > <>

" on

> > the web.

> > >

> > > * To from this group,

send an email

> > to:

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

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> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the Great who said that the

human stomach should not become a graveyard for

animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do

one free chart reading today

> Links

>

September 3, 2005

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10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Visti,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt">> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an

>

atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no desire or ability to

>

learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which is always eulogized

>

among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate with the eleventh house

10.0pt">

10.0pt">How do we distinguish between Jyotisha and other occult sciences?

font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt">> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at

>

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a kendra or eleventh

>

house, to ensure that the person is very receptive when learning.

>

font-family:"Courier New"">

>

1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of the same.

>

2. The fourth house is the reading of books and scriptures, in a formal

scene.

>

3. The seventh house is the interaction with others and learning through

10.0pt">> discussions and interactions.

>

4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the knowledge whilst it is

taught.

>

5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person learn through hearing,

i.e.

perfect rememberance through hearing.

font-family:"Courier New"">This rings true with me. With Guru (strongly

connected with

font-family:"Courier New"">the kendras) exalted in the 10th house,

there is no doubt that I “see” the

font-family:"Courier New"">concepts. Often, aided by Shukra, I can set the

concepts visually

font-family:"Courier New"">with the clarity with which I understand it.

font-family:"Courier New"">

font-family:"Courier New"">It is easy to see with the Mhora software. When I had

some understanding

font-family:"Courier New"">of the concept, people found the representation visually

pleasing though

font-family:"Courier New"">my only aim was to present it clearly. On the other

hand, if I

font-family:"Courier New"">didn’t understand the concept well ... :-)

font-family:"Courier New"">

font-family:"Courier New"">Zoran also makes a nice point in

font-family:"Courier New"">http://www.sjc-serbia.com/english/articles/seven.html

font-family:"Courier New"">

font-family:"Courier New"">> One would say that Shukra has a say over

Jyotish a lot,

font-family:"Courier New"">> since Yajur Veda is ruled by Shukra. It

has some merit in

font-family:"Courier New"">> this statement, and my personal experience is

that Strong Shukra

font-family:"Courier New"">> related to Lagna, 5th and 10th and 11th

house, particularly if

font-family:"Courier New"">> involved in Tapaswi Yoga would make a perfect

Jyotisha.

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Rath’s chart,

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[] On Behalf Of Visti Larsen

Saturday, September 03, 2005

1:02 AM

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Michal, Namaskar

Just keep

in mind that there must be a desire on the atma-level.

In the

example you cite of George Bush, i’ve heard rumors that he does seek the

help of astrologers.

In your

chart there is not link between atmakaraka and the eleventh house/lord. However

we are also taught that retrograde planets carry a very strong desire from past

lives, i.e. on an atma level.

Normally a

planets desire manifests on an intellectual (lagna) and mental (mana) level.

Retrograde planets have a desire manifest on a soul level as well.

You will

notice that Guru is eleventh lord in your chart and is retrograde. Guru

Mahadasa has been running since 2001.

Best

wishes,

***

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[] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski

03 September 2005 01:25

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear

Visti, Namaskar,

Regarding

the following:

>

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

>

there must be an

>

atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

>

desire or ability to

>

learn jyotish.

Are

there any other combinations for this? I found

that

in all charts of great astrologers there was this

one

combination you mention of Atmakaraka and eleventh

house

in Rasi. There is no such combination in my own

chart,

so where does my desire spring from? The other

point

was that there are also many people with the

Atmakaraka

in sambandha with eleventh house in Rasi

who

have no faith, let alone desire, in Jyotish. So

how

can we be sure? It seems that there is more to

it.

Respectfully,

Michal.

Om Namo Narayanaya::

---

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

>

||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

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>

Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

>

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>

I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the eighth

>

house giving an ability

>

for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in this

>

regard. Also i don't

>

remember seeing this placement in the charts of

>

jyotishas.

>

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>

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>

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>

Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

>

indicate how good you are at

>

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a

>

kendra or eleventh

>

house, to ensure that the person is very receptive

>

when learning.

>

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>

1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

of

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>

the same.

>

2. The fourth house is the reading of books and

>

scriptures, in a formal

>

scene.

>

3. The seventh house is the interaction with

others

>

and learning

>

through discussions and interactions.

>

4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

>

knowledge whilst it is

>

taught.

>

5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person

learn

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through hearing,

>

i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

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>

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But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

>

jyotish or chemistry.

>

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>

Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

>

there must be an

>

atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

>

desire or ability to

>

learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which

>

is always eulogized

>

among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate

>

with the eleventh house

>

in Rasi.

>

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>

In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in

>

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>

lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras

>

for fame through

>

jyotish.

>

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>

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>

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>

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>

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Can you please explain some points a

>

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show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also

>

in one email I

>

read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

>

show ability for

>

Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

>

in the 8th house.

>

It would be fallen in this position. Would this mean

>

the person has

>

no scope in Jyotish?

>

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>

Regards,

>

Shruti

>

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>

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>

~ om tat sat ~

>

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta

>

Ashram.

>

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare

>

Rama Krishna'

>

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

>

Great who said that the

>

human stomach should not become a graveyard for

>

animals.

>

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

>

free chart reading today

>

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color:#FF0080">||Sha’shankara||

Dear Ajit,

Namaskar.

The

Vedanga we will learn is seen from the planets linking Ketu to the Shastyamsa

lagna. Atharva Veda is associated with Jyotish and Mangala is the graha. This

is supposed to by Makata-mukha (monkey face), and hence we astrologers say; “Hanumukha

Siddhirastu” whilst installing the atharva veda on our face.

Zoran’s

point about Shukra is right... See, the good jyotishas do indeed have a strong

Shukra so that they can be good consultants and advisors to people. That is why

the greatest Jyotishas come from the Paramparas of Brighu (shukra) and Angirasa

(Guru). In my book i’ve mentioned these two grahas with reference to

Varnada Lagna... that is the point. However, the knowledge coming from the

Yajurveda isn’t specifically jyotish.

Best

wishes,

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03 September 2005 14:02

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">.. hamsasso.aham ..

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Dear Visti,

10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">

10.0pt">> Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there

is no desire or ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one

combination which is always eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

associate with the eleventh house

10.0pt">

How do we distinguish between

Jyotisha and other occult sciences?

10.0pt">> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will indicate how good

you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should

be in a kendra or eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very

receptive when learning.

>

> 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or

application of the same.

> 2. The fourth house is the reading of

books and scriptures, in a formal scene.

> 3. The seventh house is the interaction

with others and learning through

>

discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth house is sight or

visualizing the knowledge whilst it is taught.

> 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the

person learn through hearing,

i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

font-family:"Courier New"">This rings true with me. With Guru (strongly

connected with

font-family:"Courier New"">the kendras) exalted in the 10th house, there

is no doubt that I “see” the

font-family:"Courier New"">concepts. Often, aided by Shukra, I can set the

concepts visually

font-family:"Courier New"">with the clarity with which I understand it.

font-family:"Courier New"">

font-family:"Courier New"">It is easy to see with the Mhora software. When I

had some understanding

font-family:"Courier New"">of the concept, people found the representation

visually pleasing though

font-family:"Courier New"">my only aim was to present it clearly. On the other

hand, if I

font-family:"Courier New"">didn’t understand the concept well ... :-)

font-family:"Courier New"">

font-family:"Courier New"">Zoran also makes a nice point in

font-family:"Courier New"">http://www.sjc-serbia.com/english/articles/seven.html

font-family:"Courier New"">

font-family:"Courier New"">> One would say that Shukra has a say over

Jyotish a lot,

font-family:"Courier New"">> since Yajur Veda is ruled by Shukra. It

has some merit in

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that Strong Shukra

font-family:"Courier New"">> related to Lagna, 5th and 10th and 11th

house, particularly if

font-family:"Courier New"">> involved in Tapaswi Yoga would make a perfect

Jyotisha.

font-family:"Courier New"">> Look at our Jyotish Guru Pt. Sanjay

Rath’s chart,

font-family:"Courier New"">> where Shukra is strongly placed in 5th house.

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Saturday, September 03, 2005

1:02 AM

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear

Michal, Namaskar

Just keep

in mind that there must be a desire on the atma-level.

In the

example you cite of George Bush, i’ve heard rumors that he does seek the

help of astrologers.

In your

chart there is not link between atmakaraka and the eleventh house/lord. However

we are also taught that retrograde planets carry a very strong desire from past

lives, i.e. on an atma level.

Normally a

planets desire manifests on an intellectual (lagna) and mental (mana) level.

Retrograde planets have a desire manifest on a soul level as well.

You will

notice that Guru is eleventh lord in your chart and is retrograde. Guru

Mahadasa has been running since 2001.

Best

wishes,

***

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[] On Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski

03 September 2005 01:25

RE: [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

12.0pt">

Hare Rama Krsna::

Dear Visti, Namaskar,

Regarding the following:

> Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish

> there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there

is no

> desire or ability to

> learn jyotish.

Are there any other combinations for this? I

found

that in all charts of great astrologers there was

this

one combination you mention of Atmakaraka and

eleventh

house in Rasi. There is no such combination

in my own

chart, so where does my desire spring from?

The other

point was that there are also many people with the

Atmakaraka in sambandha with eleventh house in

Rasi

who have no faith, let alone desire, in

Jyotish. So

how can we be sure? It seems that there is

more to

it.

Respectfully,

Michal.

Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama Krsna||

>

> Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

>

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

eighth

> house giving an ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently

in this

> regard. Also i don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts

of

> jyotishas.

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24)

will

> indicate how good you are at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should

be in a

> kendra or eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very

receptive

> when learning.

>

> 1. Here the

Lagna is intelligence or application of

> the same.

> 2. The fourth

house is the reading of books and

> scriptures, in a formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh

house is the interaction with others

> and learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth

house is sight or visualizing the

> knowledge whilst it is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the

eleventh house helps the person learn

> through hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be

it

> jyotish or chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish

> there must be an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there

is no

> desire or ability to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one

combination which

> is always eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

associate

> with the eleventh house

> in Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is

in

> mutual dristi with eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

kendras

> for fame through

> jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the

eleventh

> house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the

eleventh

> lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

eleventh

> house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important

combination

> first, or figure out how it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after

seeing

> this, you can look for yogas

> for fame, or good predictions, etc.

>

> Best wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

> <http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com or

> <http://astrovisti.com>

> http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

> []

On

> Behalf Of shrupata

> 02 September 2005 13:04

>

> [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru

> Visti Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

>

Can you please explain some points a

> person should have to

> show if they have the ability to learn

Jyotish. Also

> in one email I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24

would

> show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in

Capricorn

> in the 8th house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would

this mean

> the person has

> no scope in Jyotish?

>

> Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat ~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta

> Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare

> Rama Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the

> Great who said that the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard

for

> animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do

one

> free chart reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your

group "

> <>

" on

> the web.

>

> * To

from this group, send an email to:

>

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>

> * Your use of

is subject to the

>

> <>

Terms of

> Service.

>

> _____

>

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Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Since you said that a link should be more manifested in the Rasi Chart.

I went over my chart again. I have an Aquarius lagna. The 11th house lord is

Jupiter which is retrograde. Venus is placed in the 11th house. My AK is Mars

and is placed in the 12th house of Capricorn. The 12th house is directly

aspected by Jupiter. Is there any relation for atma-level learning Jyotish?

Regards,

ShrutiVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar

For a person who is soo attached to jyotish as you, the link must be more

manifested i.e. in the rasi chart, and not only the vargas.

Best wishes,

***

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Dear Visti,

Yes, Rahu is the connecting factor. I think it was Ma-Ra when I first came into

contact with vedic astrology group, bought two books on astrology both by the

same author name Rao, but chose PVRN Rao instead and Ma-Ju when I met

Sanjay/guidance under SJC Guru Partha/Sarajit/Purushothaman etc. Rahu is also

the istadevata and thus I see jyotisa more as a research subject / stepping

stone in the quest for spiritual knowledge. Sometime in Sun dasa, I asked my

uncle for a simple book in vedic astrology but was unable to understand head or

tail of it. In the AK dasa, however the learning was much easier, almost

effortless. Soul-level connection must indeed be there to absorb the occult

knowledge.

regards

Hari

On 9/3/05, Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Hari, Namaskar

Rahu is connecting the eleventh house and AK, in your chart.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or

http://astrovisti.com

***

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On Behalf Of Jyotisa Shisya03 September 2005 07:20

Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

||om bhurbhuvahsvah brihaspataye namah||

Dear Jyotisas, namaste.

I support Michals line of questioning in this discussion. Most of the great

astrologers satisfy this criteria but it is not a necessary and sufficient

criteria.

In my rasi chart, I do not have any tangible connection between the AK Mars and

the 11th house or 11th lord, Mercury. But in navamsa, Mercury is in 7th from

karakamsa. Just before the onset of Mars mahadasa (Vimsottari), I first started

dabbling in astrology and the learning accelerated after the mahadasa commenced.

regards

Hari

On 9/3/05, ajayzharotia <

zharotia (AT) dataone (DOT) in> wrote:

Dear Jyotisha, PranaamIn line with the current discussion and what sameer asked...

My AK Venus is joined 11th lord Mercury in the fourth house of education. What

would be the influence of "Ketu" in 11th house.

In navamsa I have "Ketu" in trine to AK which also form a yoga for learningastrology.

Should we take "Ketu" in 11th house as learning through highly spiritual

person?Also can it indicate the person in the sense that "Ketu" is Gurudev's

Lagan

lord and involved in Kalaamrit yoga?RegardsAjay

- "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal

>< >

Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:07 AMRe: [Om Krishna Guru]

Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

> Hare Rama Krsna::>> Dear Sameer, Namaskar, >> If i may just point out that the

current President of

> USA also has AK Venus in Lagna as well as being the> eleventh lord, and in

turn aspecting its own house,> satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish. >

> BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter debilitated in> Navamsa give excellent

results for spiritual and> scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras or

> trines.>> Respectfully, > Michal.>> Om Namo Narayanaya::>>>

> --- sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam (AT) vsnl (DOT) net > wrote:>

> > Dear Visti,Pranaam> >> > I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in lagna

and> > both are> > aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below

> > mentioned atma-level > > sambandha in learning jyotish.> >> > I remember

reading in your book that planets in 11th

> > also indicate> > how does one learn,for example, saturn indicates> >

learning through > > some tradition/parampara.> >

> > I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it indicate> > learning through a> > Guru

as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.> >

> > The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting > > in less/zero> >

fortune through this.> >> > Is this correct assumtion ?

> >> >> > Regards,> > Sameer> >

, "Visti Larsen"> > <visti@s...>> > wrote:> > >

||Hare Rama Krsna||> > >

> > > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.> > > > > > I've never heard of Jupiters placement

in the> > eighth house giving> > an ability

> > > for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in> > this regard. Also i> >

don't> > > remember seeing this placement in the charts of

> > jyotishas.> > >> > >> > >> > > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24)

will

> > indicate how good> > you are at> > > learning anything. Preferably Jupiter

should be in> > a kendra or> > eleventh

> > > house, to ensure that the person is very receptive > > when learning.> >

>> > > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

> > of the same.> > > 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and> >

scriptures, in a > > formal> > > scene.

> > > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with> > others and learning> > >

through discussions and interactions.> > > 4. The tenth house is sight or

visualizing the > > knowledge whilst> > it is> > > taught.> > > 5. Finally the

eleventh house helps the person> > learn through

> > hearing,> > > i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing. > > >> > >> > >> >

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

> > jyotish or> > chemistry.> > >> > > Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish > > there must be an

> > > atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no> > desire or> > ability

to> > > learn jyotish. For this reason one combination

> > which is always > > eulogized> > > among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka

must> > associate with the> > eleventh house

> > > in Rasi.> > >> > >> > > > > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is

in

> > mutual dristi with> > eleventh> > > lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in

the> > kendras for fame> > through > > > jyotish.> > >> > > In KN Rao's chart,

the AK is eleventh lord.> > >> > >

> > >> > > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh > > house.> > >> >

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh

> > lord.> > >> > > In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the> > eleventh

house. > > >

> > >> > >> > > Look for this simple, yet important combination> > first, or

figure> > out how it

> > > is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing > > this, you can look> >

for yogas> > > for fame, or good predictions, etc.

> > >> > > Best wishes,> > >> > > ***> > >> > > Visti Larsen

> > >> > > For services and articles visit:> > >> > > <

http://srigaruda.com > http://srigaruda.com or> > <

http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> > > http://astrovisti.com> > >

> > > ***> > >> > > _____> > >> > >

> > [] On

> > > Behalf Of shrupata> > > 02 September 2005 13:04 > > >

> > > [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to

> > Guru Visti Larsen> > >> > >

> > >> > > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,> > >> > > Can you please explain

some points a> > person should have > > to> > > show if they have the ability

to learn Jyotish.> > Also in one email I> > > read that Jupiter in the 8th

house in D-24 would

> > show ability for> > > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn > >

in the 8th> > house.> > > It would be fallen in this position. Would this

> > mean the person has> > > no scope in Jyotish?> > >> > > Regards, > > >

Shruti

> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ~ om tat sat ~> > > Thank you for maintaining the

decorum of the

> > Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> >

Rama Krishna'> > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the

> > Great who said> > that the> > > human stomach should not become a graveyard

for > > animals.> > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one

> > free chart> > reading today> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > _____ > > >> > >

> > >> > >> > >> > > * Visit your group "

> > > " on

> > the web.> > >> > > * To from this group, send an email> > to:>

>> === message truncated === >>>

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> >>>

> ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.>

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach

should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and

deed - do one free chart reading today

> Links

>>>>>

>>

~ om tat sat ~

Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1)

Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human

stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.

(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

Visit your group "

" on the web.

~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram.

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'

(2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human

stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in

thought and deed - do one free chart reading today

Vedic

Vedic astrology

Sjc

Jyotish

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September 3, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krishna ||

Namaskar,

after Visti-ji pointed out the necessary/important link

between AK and 11H, I am finding that in my chart I have AK and

Lagnesha Me located is the sixth house (Sc - occult sign) and

aspecting the 11H. Also, 11L Ma which also happens to be the co-

dispositor of AK is aspecting both AK (in 6H), 11H, and 8H.

Incidentally, AK Me is both Lagnesha and 4th Lord. Ju in Lagna

probably strengthens scholarship.

However, according to Guru Narasimha-ji, in siddhamsa, 2,5,8,11 are

the important houses for learning and being a successful astrologer.

I find that in siddhamsa, the connection in this respect is stronger.

What I am not understanding is how to bridge Visti-ji's said houses(

1,4,7,10,11) with what Narasimha-ji said (2,5,8,11).

Also, Visti-ji, with the current Ju-Me dasa over and Ju-Ke dasa

starting how shall I progress in Jyotisa learning ? Is it possible

that I choose jyotisha as a profession in future ?

My birth time is with Visti-ji already. If others are interested, I

am giving it below.

3, January, 1978, 17:34 (p.m.) Calcutta, India.

Best regards,

Sourav

====================================================================

, Jyotisa Shisya

<achyutagaddi@g...> wrote:

> ||om bhurbhuvahsvah brihaspataye namah||

> Dear Visti,

> Yes, Rahu is the connecting factor. I think it was Ma-Ra when I

first came

> into contact with vedic astrology group, bought two books on

astrology both

> by the same author name Rao, but chose PVRN Rao instead and Ma-Ju

when I met

> Sanjay/guidance under SJC Guru Partha/Sarajit/Purushothaman etc.

Rahu is

> also the istadevata and thus I see jyotisa more as a research

subject /

> stepping stone in the quest for spiritual knowledge. Sometime in

Sun dasa, I

> asked my uncle for a simple book in vedic astrology but was unable

to

> understand head or tail of it. In the AK dasa, however the

learning was much

> easier, almost effortless. Soul-level connection must indeed be

there to

> absorb the occult knowledge.

> regards

> Hari

>

> On 9/3/05, Visti Larsen <visti@s...> wrote:

> >

> > *||Hare Rama Krsna||*

> >

> > Dear Hari, Namaskar

> >

> > Rahu is connecting the eleventh house and AK, in your chart.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> >

> > ***

> >

> > Visti Larsen

> >

> > For services and articles visit:

> >

> > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

> >

> > ***

> > ------------------------------

> >

> > **

[]

> > *On Behalf Of *Jyotisa Shisya

> > *Sent:* 03 September 2005 07:20

> > *To:*

> > *Subject:* Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti

Larsen

> >

> > ||om bhurbhuvahsvah brihaspataye namah||

> >

> > Dear Jyotisas, namaste.

> >

> > I support Michals line of questioning in this discussion. Most

of the

> > great astrologers satisfy this criteria but it is not a

necessary and

> > sufficient criteria.

> >

> > In my rasi chart, I do not have any tangible connection between

the AK

> > Mars and the 11th house or 11th lord, Mercury. But in navamsa,

Mercury is in

> > 7th from karakamsa. Just before the onset of Mars mahadasa

(Vimsottari), I

> > first started dabbling in astrology and the learning accelerated

after the

> > mahadasa commenced.

> >

> > regards

> >

> > Hari

> >

> > On 9/3/05, *ajayzharotia* <zharotia@d...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jyotisha, Pranaam

> >

> > In line with the current discussion and what sameer asked...

> >

> > My AK Venus is joined 11th lord Mercury in the fourth house of

education.

> >

> > What would be the influence of "Ketu" in 11th house.

> >

> > In navamsa I have "Ketu" in trine to AK which also form a yoga

for

> > learning

> > astrology.

> >

> > Should we take "Ketu" in 11th house as learning through highly

spiritual

> > person?

> >

> > Also can it indicate the person in the sense that "Ketu" is

Gurudev's

> > Lagan

> > lord and involved in Kalaamrit yoga?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Ajay

> >

> > -

> > "Michal Dziwulski" <nearmichal>

> > < >

> >

> > Saturday, September 03, 2005 5:07 AM

> > Re: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti

Larsen

> >

> > > Hare Rama Krsna::

> > >

> > > Dear Sameer, Namaskar,

> > >

> > > If i may just point out that the current President of

> > > USA also has AK Venus in Lagna as well as being the

> > > eleventh lord, and in turn aspecting its own house,

> > > satisfying the criteria for learning Jyotish.

> > >

> > > BTW I have seen charts with Jupiter debilitated in

> > > Navamsa give excellent results for spiritual and

> > > scriptural learning, but only when in Kendras or

> > > trines.

> > >

> > > Respectfully,

> > > Michal.

> > >

> > > Om Namo Narayanaya::

> > >

> > > --- sameer_sawhney <icecoolsam@v... > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Visti,Pranaam

> > > >

> > > > I have AK mercury with 11th lord Venus in lagna and

> > > > both are

> > > > aspecting 11th house. This satisfies the below

> > > > mentioned atma-level

> > > > sambandha in learning jyotish.

> > > >

> > > > I remember reading in your book that planets in 11th

> > > > also indicate

> > > > how does one learn,for example, saturn indicates

> > > > learning through

> > > > some tradition/parampara.

> > > >

> > > > I have Jupiter in 11th house, does it indicate

> > > > learning through a

> > > > Guru as Jupiter also happens to be 9th lord.

> > > >

> > > > The same jupiter is deblitated in Navamsa resulting

> > > > in less/zero

> > > > fortune through this.

> > > >

> > > > Is this correct assumtion ?

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Sameer

> > > > , "Visti Larsen"

> > > > <visti@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna||

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

> > > > eighth house giving

> > > > an ability

> > > > > for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in

> > > > this regard. Also i

> > > > don't

> > > > > remember seeing this placement in the charts of

> > > > jyotishas.

> > > > >

> > > > > Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will

> > > > indicate how good

> > > > you are at

> > > > > learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in

> > > > a kendra or

> > > > eleventh

> > > > > house, to ensure that the person is very receptive

> > > > when learning.

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. Here the Lagna is intelligence or application

> > > > of the same.

> > > > > 2. The fourth house is the reading of books and

> > > > scriptures, in a

> > > > formal

> > > > > scene.

> > > > > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with

> > > > others and learning

> > > > > through discussions and interactions.

> > > > > 4. The tenth house is sight or visualizing the

> > > > knowledge whilst

> > > > it is

> > > > > taught.

> > > > > 5. Finally the eleventh house helps the person

> > > > learn through

> > > > hearing,

> > > > > i.e. perfect rememberance through hearing.

> > > > >

> > > > > But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it

> > > > jyotish or

> > > > chemistry.

> > > > >

> > > > > Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish

> > > > there must be an

> > > > > atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no

> > > > desire or

> > > > ability to

> > > > > learn jyotish. For this reason one combination

> > > > which is always

> > > > eulogized

> > > > > among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

> > > > associate with the

> > > > eleventh house

> > > > > in Rasi.

> > > > >

> > > > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in

> > > > mutual dristi with

> > > > eleventh

> > > > > lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

> > > > kendras for fame

> > > > through

> > > > > jyotish.

> > > > >

> > > > > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh

> > > > house.

> > > > >

> > > > > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh

> > > > lord.

> > > > >

> > > > > In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

> > > > eleventh house.

> > > > >

> > > > > Look for this simple, yet important combination

> > > > first, or figure

> > > > out how it

> > > > > is playing out in your chart. Then after seeing

> > > > this, you can look

> > > > for yogas

> > > > > for fame, or good predictions, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > >

> > > > > ***

> > > > >

> > > > > Visti Larsen

> > > > >

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> > > > > 02 September 2005 13:04

> > > > >

> > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to

> > > > Guru Visti Larsen

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

> > > > >

> > > > > Can you please explain some points a

> > > > person should have

> > > > to

> > > > > show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

> > > > Also in one email I

> > > > > read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would

> > > > show ability for

> > > > > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn

> > > > in the 8th

> > > > house.

> > > > > It would be fallen in this position. Would this

> > > > mean the person has

> > > > > no scope in Jyotish?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Shruti

> > > > >

> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~

> > > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

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> > > > animals.

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September 3, 2005

Hare Rama Krsna::

Thanks Visti,

It is very clear now. Atma is a big concept, and I felt that the definition was

to narrow and with to many anomalies. So, the Atmakaraka, though the most

prominent, is not the exclusive means we have to view our soul's journey.

Retrograde planets are also revealing. And of course Rahu and Ketu, who are

always retrograde. So if the Atmakaraka was retrograde it would show a lot of

Atma strength coming through - would it not? And is this also why Rahu

Atmakaraka is seen in the charts of great spiritualists?

BTW this same retrograde Guru in the chart goes to the 11th house in D24.

Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Michal, Namaskar

Just keep in mind that there must be a desire on the atma-level.

In the example you cite of George Bush, i’ve heard rumors that he does seek the help of astrologers.

In your chart there is not link between atmakaraka and the eleventh house/lord.

However we are also taught that retrograde planets carry a very strong desire

from past lives, i.e. on an atma level.

Normally a planets desire manifests on an intellectual (lagna) and mental (mana)

level. Retrograde planets have a desire manifest on a soul level as well.

You will notice that Guru is eleventh lord in your chart and is retrograde. Guru

Mahadasa has been running since 2001.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

***

[] On

Behalf Of Michal Dziwulski03 September 2005 01:25To:

Subject: RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to

Guru Visti Larsen

Hare Rama Krsna::Dear Visti, Namaskar,Regarding the following: > Point is that

for one to be interested in Jyotish> there must be an> atma-level sambandha.

Without the atma there is no> desire or ability to> learn jyotish.Are there any

other combinations for this? I foundthat in all charts of great astrologers

there was this

New">one combination you mention of Atmakaraka and eleventhhouse in Rasi. There

is no such combination in my ownchart, so where does my desire spring from? The

otherpoint was that there are also many people with theAtmakaraka in sambandha

with eleventh house in Rasiwho have no faith, let alone desire, in Jyotish.

Sohow can we be sure? It seems that there is more toit.Respectfully,Michal.Om

Namo Narayanaya:: --- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:> ||Hare Rama

Krsna||> > Dear Shruti, Namaskar.> > I've never heard of Jupiters placement in

the eighth> house giving an ability> for Jyotish. I was taught quite

differently in this> regard. Also i don't> remember seeing this placement in

the charts of> jyotishas.> > >

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24) will> indicate how good you are at>

learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in a> kendra or eleventh>

house, to ensure that the person is very receptive> when learning. > > 1.

Here the Lagna is intelligence or application of> the same. > 2. The

fourth house is the reading of books and> scriptures, in a formal

New">> scene. > 3. The seventh house is the interaction with others> and

learning> through discussions and interactions. > 4. The tenth house is

sight or visualizing the> knowledge whilst it is> taught. > 5. Finally the

eleventh house helps the person learn> through hearing,> i.e. perfect

rememberance through hearing.> >

New">> > But these can be good for anyone to learn, be it> jyotish or

chemistry.> > Point is that for one to be interested in Jyotish> there must be

an> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is no> desire or ability to>

learn jyotish. For this reason one combination which> is always eulogized>

among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must associate> with the eleventh house>

in Rasi.> > > > In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is in> mutual dristi

with eleventh> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the kendras> for fame

through> jyotish.> > In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh lord.> > > > In

Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the eleventh>

house.> > In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the eleventh> lord.> > In my

chart, the dispositor of AK is in the eleventh> house.> > > > Look for this

simple, yet important combination> first, or figure out how it> is playing out

in your chart. Then after seeing> this, you can look for yogas> for fame, or

good

predictions, etc.> > Best wishes,> > ***> > Visti Larsen> > For services and

articles visit: > > <http://srigaruda.com> http://srigaruda.com or >

<http://astrovisti.com>>'>http://astrovisti.com>> http://astrovisti.com>

> ***> > _____ > > >

[] On> Behalf Of shrupata> 02

September 2005 13:04> > [Om Krishna

Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru> Visti Larsen> > >

> Dear Guru Visti Larsen,> > Can you please explain some points a>

person should have to > show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish. Also>

in one email I > read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24 would> show ability

for > Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in Capricorn> in the 8th house. > It

would be fallen in this position. Would this mean

New">> the person has> no scope in Jyotish?> > Regards,> Shruti> > > > > ~ om

tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta> Ashram. >

Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare> Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to

become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the> Great who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for>

animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one> free chart reading

today > > > > > _____ > > > > >

New">> * Visit your group ">

<> " on> the web.> > * To

from this group, send an email to:>

><?subject=Un>>

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the> > <> Terms of> Service. > > > >

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?

Respectfully,

Michal Dziwulski

7 May 1981, 3:15am, Warsaw, Poland.

Om Namo Narayanaya::Do You

?

September 3, 2005

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Pranaam

Can you give your Birth data please.

Pranaam

Regards

Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia

-

Shruti Patel

Saturday, September 03, 2005 6:58 PM

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti Larsen

Dear Guru Visti Larsen,

Since you said that a link should be more manifested in the Rasi Chart.

I went over my chart again. I have an Aquarius lagna. The 11th house lord is

Jupiter which is retrograde. Venus is placed in the 11th house. My AK is Mars

and is placed in the 12th house of Capricorn. The 12th house is directly

aspected by Jupiter. Is there any relation for atma-level learning Jyotish?

Regards,

ShrutiVisti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org> wrote:

||Hare Rama Krsna||

Dear Shruti, Namaskar

For a person who is soo attached to jyotish as you, the link must be more

manifested i.e. in the rasi chart, and not only the vargas.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

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http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com

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September 3, 2005

|| Hare Rama Krsna ||

Dear Guruji, Pranaam,

I (perhaps fortunately) don't have any retrograde grahas in my chart,

apart from the nodes of course. And there is no link between the

AK/dispositor and the 11th house. So presumably one would have to

look elsewhere to find the atma-level desire that brought me to

Jyotisa.

AK is strong in the 11th house in D-24 - which is the only link I can

find, there being none in the Rasi chart. Does this mean that I may

not become too attached to Jyotisa?

Pranaam,

Samir

At 11:02 03/09/2005, you wrote:

||Hare Rama

Krsna||

Dear

Michal, Namaskar

Just keep in mind that there must be a desire on the atma-level.

In the example you cite of George Bush, i’ve heard rumors that he does

seek the help of astrologers.

In your chart there is not link between atmakaraka and the eleventh

house/lord. However we are also taught that retrograde planets carry a

very strong desire from past lives, i.e. on an atma level.

Normally a planets desire manifests on an intellectual (lagna) and mental

(mana) level. Retrograde planets have a desire manifest on a soul level

as well.

You will notice that Guru is eleventh lord in your chart and is

retrograde. Guru Mahadasa has been running since 2001.

Best wishes,

***

Visti Larsen

For services and articles visit:

http://srigaruda.com

or

http://astrovisti.com

***

[

] On Behalf Of Michal

Dziwulski

03 September 2005 01:25

RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to Guru Visti

Larsen

Hare Rama

Krsna::

Dear Visti,

Namaskar,

Regarding the following:

> Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish

> there must be

an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is

no

> desire or ability

to

> learn

jyotish.

Are there any other combinations for this? I

found

that in all charts of great astrologers there was

this

one combination you mention of Atmakaraka and

eleventh

house in Rasi. There is no such combination in my

own

chart, so where does my desire spring from? The

other

point was that there are also many people with

the

Atmakaraka in sambandha with eleventh house in

Rasi

who have no faith, let alone desire, in Jyotish.

So

how can we be sure? It seems that there is more

to

it.

Respectfully,

Michal.

Om Namo Narayanaya::

--- Visti Larsen <visti (AT) (DOT) org>

wrote:

> ||Hare Rama

Krsna||

>

> Dear Shruti,

Namaskar.

>

> I've never heard of Jupiters placement in the

eighth

> house giving an

ability

> for Jyotish. I was taught quite differently in

this

> regard. Also i

don't

> remember seeing this placement in the charts

of

>

jyotishas.

>

> Jupiters placement in the Siddhamsa (d24)

will

> indicate how good you are

at

> learning anything. Preferably Jupiter should be in

a

> kendra or

eleventh

> house, to ensure that the person is very

receptive

> when learning.

>

> 1. Here the Lagna is

intelligence or application

of

> the same.

> 2. The fourth house is the

reading of books and

> scriptures, in a

formal

> scene.

> 3. The seventh house is the

interaction with

others

> and

learning

> through discussions and interactions.

> 4. The tenth house is sight

or visualizing the

> knowledge whilst it

is

> taught.

> 5. Finally the eleventh

house helps the person

learn

> through

hearing,

> i.e. perfect rememberance through

hearing.

>

> But these can be good for anyone to learn, be

it

> jyotish or

chemistry.

>

> Point is that for one to be interested in

Jyotish

> there must be

an

> atma-level sambandha. Without the atma there is

no

> desire or ability

to

> learn jyotish. For this reason one combination

which

> is always

eulogized

> among sjc-members is; the Atmakaraka must

associate

> with the eleventh

house

> in

Rasi.

>

> In BV Ramans chart, the AK is chandra and is

in

> mutual dristi with

eleventh

> lord Guru and forming gajakesari yoga in the

kendras

> for fame

through

>

jyotish.

>

> In KN Rao's chart, the AK is eleventh

lord.

>

> In Sanjay Rath's chart, his AK is in the

eleventh

> house.

>

> In PVR Narasimha Rao's chart, AK is the

eleventh

> lord.

>

> In my chart, the dispositor of AK is in the

eleventh

> house.

>

> Look for this simple, yet important

combination

> first, or figure out how

it

> is playing out in your chart. Then after

seeing

> this, you can look for

yogas

> for fame, or good predictions,

etc.

>

> Best

wishes,

>

> ***

>

> Visti

Larsen

>

> For services and articles visit:

>

<http://srigaruda.com>

http://srigaruda.com

or

>

<http://astrovisti.com>

>

http://astrovisti.com

>

> ***

>

> _____

>

[

]

On

> Behalf Of

shrupata

> 02 September 2005

13:04

> To:

> [Om Krishna Guru] Learning Jyotish to

Guru

> Visti

Larsen

>

> Dear Guru Visti

Larsen,

>

Can you please explain some points

a

> person should have to

> show if they have the ability to learn Jyotish.

Also

> in one email I

> read that Jupiter in the 8th house in D-24

would

> show ability for

> Jyotish. However, what if Jupiter was in

Capricorn

> in the 8th house.

> It would be fallen in this position. Would this

mean

> the person

has

> no scope in

Jyotish?

>

Regards,

> Shruti

>

> ~ om tat sat

~

> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the

Achyuta

> Ashram.

> Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra

'Hare

> Rama

Krishna'

> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar

the

> Great who said that

the

> human stomach should not become a graveyard

for

>

animals.

> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do

one

> free chart reading today

>

> _____

>

> * Visit your group

"

>

<

> "

on

> the

web.

>

> * To from this

group, send an email

to:

>

<

?subject=Un

>

> * Your use of

is subject to the

>

<

> Terms

of

> Service.

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>

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