Guest guest Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji, I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION OF MARRIAGE. i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to be loose in morals. Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates the same. Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene. 9th lord in 6th house is the same story. that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in dharma. Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage it can cause to the persons life and in which manner. kindly correct me. Thanks and best regardds Tarun agarwal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Dear Tarun Every planet in ninth & eleventh house from Arudha Lagna is good. Like every in seventh (exalted can however open door to rise) and twelfth is bad. Of course benefic gives Raja Yoga (I think it is in Jaimini Upadesa). Ninth house it is Your protection in society, so it means that You have Rahu-type protection or Rahu-like people are protecting You. If You have also malefic in fifth house it can give some bondage to Your rise. Fifth house is support You chose like students and kids. Ninth house is protection from elders like Guru & fathers. This is Your Guru in society (AL). loose in morals. > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > the same. Here it tells about nature of Your relation and partners. Venus in sixth is worst. In eight can give reunication and of course rescue from Balaristha through early birth. > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene. This can mean many things. Look at fifth from Jupiter for children, at second house from L / AL for money. Look at forth house for hapiness (Rahu and Saturn worst there). Generally Karaka of Jupiter is lacking. > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story. It can mean father becomes enemy. Finally the Dharma is seen by Navamsa and Shastyamsa of Ninth Lord which is shown in Sanjay Rath Ji article in "Varga Compilation". Regards Rafal Gendarz > - "Tarun" <tarun.virgo <> Saturday, October 29, 2005 5:32 AM [Om Krishna Guru] Rahu in 9th in AL > Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji, > > I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i > also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION > OF MARRIAGE. > > i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects > the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to be > loose in morals. > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > the same. > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene. > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story. > > that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in > dharma. > Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage it > can cause to the persons life and in which manner. > > kindly correct me. > > Thanks and best regardds > Tarun agarwal > ~ om tat sat ~ > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 || Hare Räma Kåñëa || Dear Tarun, Namaskar I hope you don't mind me entering this thread - I think I can contribute something useful. 1. You say that Rahu in the 9th is bad - this is true, it is marana karaka sthana for Rahu. However, if you re-read Guruji's email, he explains that this is related to bhagya, and not the nature of one's own dharma (for which he says to look at the D-60). So Rahu in the 9th will not necessarily cause a person to have 'bad' dharma (though, as Guruji said, it may delay marriage - due to bad dharma in previous births). To see what is damaged in this birth, we need to look at the house lorded by Rahu - as is the case will all MKS placements. Guruji himself has AK Rahu in the 9th. The fact that it is the AK is also significant. 2. Guruji explains in Jyotisa Fundamentals that any planet in the 9th house from the Arudha Lagna is beneficial - it provides protection to the native. The karakatwa of the graha will show who gives this protection. So Rahu in the 9th from AL is not bad by default. Of course, we would all like to be protected by benefics rather than malefics - but we are not always deserving of this . 3. I'm not sure I agree with your statement "Venus related to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates the same." There is more to it than that. Jaimini tells us to look at the second house in the Navamsa chakra. If Venus and Mars have an influence there, then there is risk of excessive sexual drive (which can in turn cause adharmic activity). But I don't think it's fair to generalise about such combinations in the Rasi chakra, without considering lordship etc. Of course, Venus is in marana karaka sthana in the 6th house - but again we need to see the houses lorded to determine the effects. I hope that helps, Samir At 04:32 29/10/2005, you wrote: Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji, I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION OF MARRIAGE. i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to be loose in morals. Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates the same. Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene. 9th lord in 6th house is the same story. that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in dharma. Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage it can cause to the persons life and in which manner. kindly correct me. Thanks and best regardds Tarun agarwal ------------------------ Sponsor --------------------~--> Click here to rescue a little child from a life of poverty. http://us.click./rAWabB/gYnLAA/i1hLAA/C9XolB/TM --~-> ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today <*> / <*> <*> Your Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Pranaam I will tell you my understanding. Gurudev can guide further on this. Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna is very important one. It is a tamsic bhava though its karaka is subh Graha Brhaspati; here the destruction takes place to result in something good. Any Graha in Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna support the native no matter which it is, and people indicated by the karatattva (significations) of that Graha will affect his luck, success, and world image during its period. Here it is important to note what Parasara states in chapter of Bhava padas that "The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to the Arudha Lagna be similarly evaluated from karakamsa as well" (31.29) Therefore, Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna and Karakamsa have a deep relationship. Navam Bhava from Karakamsa shows your relationship with Dharma deveta, similarly Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna will show how Dharma Deveta manifests in your life. Dharma Deveta acts through this bhava to manifest dharma in ones life. It shows what he wants you to do in this life. So dasa of Graha related to Navam bhava from Arudha lagna will be the period of bhagya. Worshipping the dharma deveta during this time is very important and the results of the mantras relative to the dharma deveta will manifest quickly. Rahu related to this bhava can give rise to bhagya through foreign connection or out side native birth place or any other significance of Rahu as per the chart indicate. Thanks and Regards Pranaam Ajay , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji, > > I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i > also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION > OF MARRIAGE. > > i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects > the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to be > loose in morals. > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > the same. > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene. > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story. > > that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in > dharma. > Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage it > can cause to the persons life and in which manner. > > kindly correct me. > > Thanks and best regardds > Tarun agarwal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 Dear Ajay ji, samir ji, Saurav ji and Rafal ji, Thanks for your precious time to reply me. As all i concluded is that 9th house in lagna chart or in Arudha lagna chart will definately be protector of dharma. As arudha shows the image of yourself which the world or other percive. and to protect that image the lord of 9th from Arudha lagna is responsible and to protect your own image in your own eyes the 9th lord of lagna chart is responsible. But i wish to ask Shri Ajay ji that generally whatever i read in mails posted by Senior members isthat Rahu is connected to foreign connection but when we realate it to Dharma we get it as destroyer of dharma. So what shall we conclude that it also depend on rahu affliction as it conjucation with other malefics or its debilation.. Can Rahu ever be protector of Dharma.?? Regarding affliction of venus with mars i have a few examples. If you like to see. Dob:-12-09-1973, time:-9.00 pm. Place- Gwalior.-India. she is a Lawyer on a high govt post and achieved it at 23 age. Have no realtions with husband as he is stubborn.but fulfiling her duties and she have illegal realtions too i am posting this detail as you can see that she has 4 planets in their own sign but only jupiter debilated. which is causing her lose in dharma but gain in profession. Thanks and Best Regards, Tarun Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Ajay-ji, Samir-ji and Tarun-ji, Namaskar. I think there is more subtlety to it. Remember that there are internal and external significances to any Bhava. For example, 5H - external is following/reputation/offsprings etc. and internal is devotion, emotion etc. One part contributes to the External Image or AL and the other part doesn't. Hence, graha in the 9H from AL may show good results w.r.t the external significance of the Bhava. Maharshi Parasara has asked us to analyse yogas w.r.t Lagna as well as AL. So we should find functional malefics and functional benefics from AL also just like we do in case of True Lagna. And then analyse the graha in the 9H from AL. It may be good or bad - w.r.t internal or external significance. Graha's in the 9H of D-60 show protection through and through. That is what I have been taught. Lets not mix 9th from Karakamsa and 9th from AL. Karakamsa is for soul-level and AL is for the image percevied by the world and there is a big difference. 9H and its lord stand for protecting the image and the graha in that house (the player in that situation) whether helps in that activity or not will depend of its nature and its own lordship. If it is a dusthana (w.r.t AL) lord then how will it protect according to Maharshi Parasara's way of seeing AL as an independant Lagna and doing bhava-analysis? Hope this provokes some thought. Best regards, Sourav ================================================ , "ajayzharotia" <ajay@c...> wrote: > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Tarun, Pranaam > > I will tell you my understanding. Gurudev can guide further on this. > > Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna is very important one. It is a tamsic > bhava though its karaka is subh Graha Brhaspati; here the destruction > takes place to result in something good. Any Graha in Navam Bhava > from Arudha lagna support the native no matter which it is, and > people indicated by the karatattva (significations) of that Graha > will affect his luck, success, and world image during its period. > > Here it is important to note what Parasara states in chapter of Bhava > padas that "The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to the > Arudha Lagna be similarly evaluated from karakamsa as well" (31.29) > > Therefore, Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna and Karakamsa have a deep > relationship. Navam Bhava from Karakamsa shows your relationship with > Dharma deveta, similarly Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna will show how > Dharma Deveta manifests in your life. > > Dharma Deveta acts through this bhava to manifest dharma in ones > life. It shows what he wants you to do in this life. So dasa of Graha > related to Navam bhava from Arudha lagna will be the period of > bhagya. Worshipping the dharma deveta during this time is very > important and the results of the mantras relative to the dharma > deveta will manifest quickly. Rahu related to this bhava can give > rise to bhagya through foreign connection or out side native birth > place or any other significance of Rahu as per the chart indicate. > > > Thanks and Regards > > > Pranaam > > Ajay > > > > > , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote: > > > > Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji, > > > > I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i > > also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION > > OF MARRIAGE. > > > > i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects > > the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to > be > > loose in morals. > > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > > the same. > > > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene. > > > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story. > > > > that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in > > dharma. > > Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage > it > > can cause to the persons life and in which manner. > > > > kindly correct me. > > > > Thanks and best regardds > > Tarun agarwal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 ((Hare Rama Krsna)) Dear Sourav & Tarun, Pranaam, Dear brother Sourav, when you say Arudha are not related to souls in a way you are saying Surya is not any way related to Chandra. How that can be possible? As I have mentioned, Parasara stated in the chapter 31 shloka 29 that, The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to AL be similarly evaluated from Karakamsa as well”. He must be having some reason to equate AL and karakamsa in regards to yoga. Lagana is like Surya. The Surya is the source of light for all other planets and beings. The Surya is the center of our Solar System of planets; therefore the Surya rules all types of Central things. In ourselves, the Surya rules our center, which is our soul. It shows our true self. Arudha Lagna is like Chandra. The Chandra is closest to us, and reflects the light of the Surya. Therefore, the Chandra rules the most obvious reflection of our soul to the visible world, and that is our mind or selves as conscious beings. Chandra governs our perception, our imagination. So when our perception interacts with the reality it gives rise to the illusion or Maya. This perceived reality attached to the various bhavas of the horoscope is identifies as Arudha Padas. Paka lagna is like Jupiter. Together all three of above form three eyes. Surya the right eye, Chandra the left eye, and Jupiter the third eye. So when it comes to understanding Arudha Padas, Chandra become important. Our mind is controlled by the gunas. It is our mind, which is creating that reality, and it is doing so through gunas of the mind. Gunas rules the mind, which is the organ perceiving your sensory reality and binds the soul in the body. Therefore gunas are ruling how you perceive your reality and how others perceive you. The gunas attached to the Arudha and various bhavas from Arudha will largely affect the manifestation of that bhava. There are three kinds of gunas i.e Sattvic, Rajasic, and Tamsic. Every planet has their respective gunas, which manifest everything. Jupiter, Chandra and Surya are Sattvic planets. Vishnu Sustains through Sattvic planets. As Jupiter (Akash) sustains everything living and non-living, Surya sustains through availability of resources and Chandra sustains through nurturing. Shukra and Budha are Rajasic in nature. Brahma creates through Rajas. Shukra the jala tattva creates the all living beings and Budha; the bhoomi tattva helps in creating all non-living. Shiva Destroy through tamsic planet i.e Mangal, Agni tattva transforms everything. It destroys the non-living world. Shani the Vayu tattva erodes every cells of living till it destroys them. Thus, bhava from Arudha Lagana have their specified gunas as first bhava is the bhava of creation, Second bhava is the bhava of sustenance, third bhava is the bhava of destruction and so on repeated in the similar order. Yes, Parasara suggested to study Lagna and AL as independent lagna but both functions differently according to the nature of Graha they are governed with i.e. is Surya and Chandra respectively. The 6th bhava from lagna works differently from the 6th bhava from Arudha lagna. As per gunas 6th bhava from Arudha lagna is tamsic house, dangerously destructive house. A krura Graha in the AL6 gives very good results in the material word. Whereas, benefics or a strong benefic grahas lord in the AL6 bhava can torment the native with enemies. For example, Hitler had Jupiter as both lord of 6th from lagna and 6th from AL, but 6th from AL had three subha planets. Hitler was ready to take on big adversaries but they ended up being too big for him. 9th bhava from Arudha lagna is a tamsic bhava but its karaka is benefic Jupiter, so the destruction here is for betterment of the native. It is different than other tamsic bhava. Tarun, I never said that 9th bhava from AL is the protector of dharma as you have under stood. It is duty of dharma deveta to protect the dharma. The 9th from karakamsa, the Dharma devata is the deity that helps one achieves the ideals and objectives that the soul wishes to attain in this life. The 9th from the Arudha Lagna will show the manifestation of the dharma devata in a person’s life. The placement of planet signifying dharma deveta from the Arudha Lagna will show how the he will protect the native. Dharma devata only acts through 9th bhava from AL. In case of JFK, he had Shani in karka rashi in the AL9 so this is what his dharma devata manifested through. JFK joined politics after being a reporter at the United Nations conference in 1945. He joined as a Democrat (Shani) and as Congressman voted for Truman's welfare programs, including expanded social security benefits, aid to veterans, and old-age benefits (famous for all Shani’s projects). As president he worked on civil rights legislation, established the Peace Corps and left us with the slogan "Ask not what your country can do for you -ask what you can do for your country." The Sun, king, gives to the country, while Saturn the worker gives to the government. Saturn opposes Mars (war) and the Peace Corps was establishment of Kennedy’s dharma devata through Shani in karka. I hope this will make things clear. Reference: Freedom Cole presentation on Arudha, SJC West Coast Conference 2004 - Sourav Chowdhury Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:10 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rahu in 9th in AL || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Ajay-ji, Samir-ji and Tarun-ji, Namaskar. I think there is more subtlety to it. Remember that there are internal and external significances to any Bhava. For example, 5H - external is following/reputation/offsprings etc. and internal is devotion, emotion etc. One part contributes to the External Image or AL and the other part doesn't. Hence, graha in the 9H from AL may show good results w.r.t the external significance of the Bhava. Maharshi Parasara has asked us to analyse yogas w.r.t Lagna as well as AL. So we should find functional malefics and functional benefics from AL also just like we do in case of True Lagna. And then analyse the graha in the 9H from AL. It may be good or bad - w.r.t internal or external significance. Graha's in the 9H of D-60 show protection through and through. That is what I have been taught. Lets not mix 9th from Karakamsa and 9th from AL. Karakamsa is for soul-level and AL is for the image percevied by the world and there is a big difference. 9H and its lord stand for protecting the image and the graha in that house (the player in that situation) whether helps in that activity or not will depend of its nature and its own lordship. If it is a dusthana (w.r.t AL) lord then how will it protect according to Maharshi Parasara's way of seeing AL as an independant Lagna and doing bhava-analysis? Hope this provokes some thought. Best regards, Sourav ================================================ , "ajayzharotia" <ajay@c...> wrote:>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > Dear Tarun, Pranaam> > I will tell you my understanding. Gurudev can guide further on this.> > Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna is very important one. It is a tamsic > bhava though its karaka is subh Graha Brhaspati; here the destruction > takes place to result in something good. Any Graha in Navam Bhava > from Arudha lagna support the native no matter which it is, and > people indicated by the karatattva (significations) of that Graha > will affect his luck, success, and world image during its period. > > Here it is important to note what Parasara states in chapter of Bhava > padas that "The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to the > Arudha Lagna be similarly evaluated from karakamsa as well" (31.29)> > Therefore, Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna and Karakamsa have a deep > relationship. Navam Bhava from Karakamsa shows your relationship with > Dharma deveta, similarly Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna will show how > Dharma Deveta manifests in your life. > > Dharma Deveta acts through this bhava to manifest dharma in ones > life. It shows what he wants you to do in this life. So dasa of Graha > related to Navam bhava from Arudha lagna will be the period of > bhagya. Worshipping the dharma deveta during this time is very > important and the results of the mantras relative to the dharma > deveta will manifest quickly. Rahu related to this bhava can give > rise to bhagya through foreign connection or out side native birth > place or any other significance of Rahu as per the chart indicate.> > > Thanks and Regards> > > Pranaam> > Ajay> > > > > , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote:> >> > Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji,> > > > I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i > > also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION > > OF MARRIAGE.> > > > i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects > > the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to > be > > loose in morals.> > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > > the same.> > > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene.> > > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story.> > > > that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in > > dharma. > > Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage > it > > can cause to the persons life and in which manner.> > > > kindly correct me.> > > > Thanks and best regardds> > Tarun agarwal> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2005 Report Share Posted October 30, 2005 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| All group members Pranaam I wish happy diwali to all of you. May divine mother bless everyone with her never ending grace. Thanks & Regards Pranaam Ajay Zharotiaajayzharotia - Sourav Chowdhury Sunday, October 30, 2005 10:18 PM [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rahu in 9th in AL || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Ajay-ji, Namaskar. It gives me much delight to discuss with you and it is very evident that you are learning much these days. However, kindly read my e-mail once again. I haven't said AL and AK or KK are divorced from each other. Never ! But I cautioned you not to mix them. There is a big difference between them. That is what I mentioned. KK, Lagna, Surya Lagna, Chandra Lagna and AL are all lagnas but there are different references. AL is sort of the last filter in the chain of Maayaa and hence represents the Image of the native perceived by the material world, where as the soul is hidden much deeper. If you want to really know a person or what is deep inside him, dont look at his AL. If you want to know how a person is based on his material prosperty, perceived attitudes, etc (i.e. the outer shell) look at AL. Secondly, souls desire manifests in maayaa-world but the perception of this results are also shrouded in maayaa and hence you should not correlate KK with AL until very deep understanding is achieved. Parasara asked us to judge the yogas w.r.t KK as well but he never told us to equate these two. Now, coming to AL9, kindly read the Freedom-ji's reference that you quoted in your reply once again. http://www.shrifreedom.com/jyotishALhouses5.shtml Around the middle of the webpage, he has clearly written: "The dasa of the AL9 will be a period of bhagya, which will be good (unless afflicted). Now why will he add that caution "Unless afflicted" ? It is because 9H shows fortune as well as mis-fortune. If a dusthana lord comes and sits there, will it be nice fortune or some mis-fortune will be there? I see that Freedom-ji is siding with the second part. Next, read COVA Page 374. Grahas in the 9H from AL (i.e. AL9) contributes in some way to the material fortune of the person in addition to some other significances. In BPHS CHapter 31/8-11, Maharshi clearly states that the graha in the 11H from AL shows gains but the intrinsic nature of the graha shows the nature of the means the gains are obtained by. If the Graha is a paapgraha the material benefits will be accrued by questionable means. Whether this is good or bad depends on the perspective. A very materialist person will appericiate the just the wealth of the native and a more noble person will not appreciate the wrong means the native employed and both this affects the AL which shows the overall image of the person. This can be also applicable to the grahas in the 9H which does tend to promote the fortune somehow but their intrinsic nature, their lorships etc affects the 9H and hence the overall image. Lastly, what I understand about the Dharma devata (DD) of a native is that it indicates the deity who sustains the dharma or the internal nature of the native. DD is an important planet in timing the spiritual events through Drig Dasa. It is clearly stated in the Jaiminisutras (3.4.1) and also in COVA (page 374) that grahas in the 9H from the AL can promote wealth or material prosperity but how this is linked with DD is something I don't understand. In fact, I am sceptical about it. But I dont disprove it, as may be there is something I dont understand as yet. (AL is also used with Drig Dasa to time renunciation; however, I don't know much about it hence I will not discuss) I am more inclined to agree if Palana devata is linked to it as Palana devata stands for the material prosperity. As regards to JFK example, how are you so sure that it is because of Shani being DD ? Shani is Amk and in 5H (fame/following) the Rasi chart, Shani conjoins PiK and MK and closely aspects AK Mars which is a great rajayoga and Shani-related activities activated this yoga ! I hope my reply clarifies my stand and provides food for thought. Best regards, Sourav =============================================== , "Ajay Zharotia-Astro" <ajay@c...> wrote:>> ((Hare Rama Krsna))> > > Dear Sourav & Tarun,> > > > Pranaam,> > > Dear brother Sourav, when you say Arudha are not related to souls in a way you are saying Surya is not any way related to Chandra. How that can be possible?> > > > As I have mentioned, Parasara stated in the chapter 31 shloka 29 that, The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to AL be similarly evaluated from Karakamsa as well". He must be having some reason to equate AL and karakamsa in regards to yoga. > > > > Lagana is like Surya. The Surya is the source of light for all other planets and beings. The Surya is the center of our Solar System of planets; therefore the Surya rules all types of Central things. In ourselves, the Surya rules our center, which is our soul. It shows our true self. > > > > Arudha Lagna is like Chandra. The Chandra is closest to us, and reflects the light of the Surya. Therefore, the Chandra rules the most obvious reflection of our soul to the visible world, and that is our mind or selves as conscious beings. Chandra governs our perception, our imagination. So when our perception interacts with the reality it gives rise to the illusion or Maya. This perceived reality attached to the various bhavas of the horoscope is identifies as Arudha Padas.> > > > Paka lagna is like Jupiter. Together all three of above form three eyes. Surya the right eye, Chandra the left eye, and Jupiter the third eye. > > > > So when it comes to understanding Arudha Padas, Chandra become important. Our mind is controlled by the gunas. It is our mind, which is creating that reality, and it is doing so through gunas of the mind. Gunas rules the mind, which is the organ perceiving your sensory reality and binds the soul in the body. Therefore gunas are ruling how you perceive your reality and how others perceive you. The gunas attached to the Arudha and various bhavas from Arudha will largely affect the manifestation of that bhava.> > > > There are three kinds of gunas i.e Sattvic, Rajasic, and Tamsic. Every planet has their respective gunas, which manifest everything. Jupiter, Chandra and Surya are Sattvic planets. Vishnu Sustains through Sattvic planets. As Jupiter (Akash) sustains everything living and non-living, Surya sustains through availability of resources and Chandra sustains through nurturing. Shukra and Budha are Rajasic in nature. Brahma creates through Rajas. Shukra the jala tattva creates the all living beings and Budha; the bhoomi tattva helps in creating all non-living. Shiva Destroy through tamsic planet i.e Mangal, Agni tattva transforms everything. It destroys the non-living world. Shani the Vayu tattva erodes every cells of living till it destroys them.> > > > Thus, bhava from Arudha Lagana have their specified gunas as first bhava is the bhava of creation, Second bhava is the bhava of sustenance, third bhava is the bhava of destruction and so on repeated in the similar order.> > > > Yes, Parasara suggested to study Lagna and AL as independent lagna but both functions differently according to the nature of Graha they are governed with i.e. is Surya and Chandra respectively. The 6th bhava from lagna works differently from the 6th bhava from Arudha lagna. As per gunas 6th bhava from Arudha lagna is tamsic house, dangerously destructive house. A krura Graha in the AL6 gives very good results in the material word. Whereas, benefics or a strong benefic grahas lord in the AL6 bhava can torment the native with enemies. For example, Hitler had Jupiter as both lord of 6th from lagna and 6th from AL, but 6th from AL had three subha planets. Hitler was ready to take on big adversaries but they ended up being too big for him.> > > > 9th bhava from Arudha lagna is a tamsic bhava but its karaka is benefic Jupiter, so the destruction here is for betterment of the native. It is different than other tamsic bhava. > > > > Tarun, I never said that 9th bhava from AL is the protector of dharma as you have under stood. It is duty of dharma deveta to protect the dharma. The 9th from karakamsa, the Dharma devata is the deity that helps one achieves the ideals and objectives that the soul wishes to attain in this life. The 9th from the Arudha Lagna will show the manifestation of the dharma devata in a person's life. The placement of planet signifying dharma deveta from the Arudha Lagna will show how the he will protect the native. Dharma devata only acts through 9th bhava from AL.> > > > In case of JFK, he had Shani in karka rashi in the AL9 so this is what his dharma devata manifested through. JFK joined politics after being a reporter at the United Nations conference in 1945. He joined as a Democrat (Shani) and as Congressman voted for Truman's welfare programs, including expanded social security benefits, aid to veterans, and old-age benefits (famous for all Shani's projects). As president he worked on civil rights legislation, established the Peace Corps and left us with the slogan "Ask not what your country can do for you -ask what you can do for your country." The Sun, king, gives to the country, while Saturn the worker gives to the government. Saturn opposes Mars (war) and the Peace Corps was establishment of Kennedy's dharma devata through Shani in karka.> > > > I hope this will make things clear.> > > > Reference: Freedom Cole presentation on Arudha, SJC West Coast Conference 2004> - > Sourav Chowdhury > > Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:10 PM> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rahu in 9th in AL> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Ajay-ji, Samir-ji and Tarun-ji,> > Namaskar. I think there is more subtlety to it. Remember that there are internal and external significances to any Bhava. For example, 5H - external is following/reputation/offsprings etc. and internal is devotion, emotion etc. One part contributes to the External Image or AL and the other part doesn't. Hence, graha in the 9H from AL may show good results w.r.t the external significance of the Bhava. > > Maharshi Parasara has asked us to analyse yogas w.r.t Lagna as well as AL. So we should find functional malefics and functional benefics from AL also just like we do in case of True Lagna. And then analyse the graha in the 9H from AL. It may be good or bad - w.r.t internal or external significance. > > Graha's in the 9H of D-60 show protection through and through. That is what I have been taught.> > Lets not mix 9th from Karakamsa and 9th from AL. Karakamsa is for soul-level and AL is for the image percevied by the world and there is a big difference. 9H and its lord stand for protecting the image and the graha in that house (the player in that situation) whether helps in that activity or not will depend of its nature and its own lordship. If it is a dusthana (w.r.t AL) lord then how will it protect according to Maharshi Parasara's way of seeing AL as an independant Lagna and doing bhava-analysis?> > Hope this provokes some thought.> > Best regards,> > Sourav> > ================================================> > > > > > > > > --- In , "ajayzharotia" ajay@c... wrote:> >> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Tarun, Pranaam> > > > I will tell you my understanding. Gurudev can guide further on this.> > > > Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna is very important one. It is a tamsic > > bhava though its karaka is subh Graha Brhaspati; here the destruction > > takes place to result in something good. Any Graha in Navam Bhava > > from Arudha lagna support the native no matter which it is, and > > people indicated by the karatattva (significations) of that Graha > > will affect his luck, success, and world image during its period. > > > > Here it is important to note what Parasara states in chapter of Bhava > > padas that "The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to the > > Arudha Lagna be similarly evaluated from karakamsa as well" (31.29)> > > > Therefore, Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna and Karakamsa have a deep > > relationship. Navam Bhava from Karakamsa shows your relationship with > > Dharma deveta, similarly Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna will show how > > Dharma Deveta manifests in your life. > > > > Dharma Deveta acts through this bhava to manifest dharma in ones > > life. It shows what he wants you to do in this life. So dasa of Graha > > related to Navam bhava from Arudha lagna will be the period of > > bhagya. Worshipping the dharma deveta during this time is very > > important and the results of the mantras relative to the dharma > > deveta will manifest quickly. Rahu related to this bhava can give > > rise to bhagya through foreign connection or out side native birth > > place or any other significance of Rahu as per the chart indicate.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > Pranaam> > > > Ajay> > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote:> > >> > > Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji,> > > > > > I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i > > > also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION > > > OF MARRIAGE.> > > > > > i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects > > > the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to > > be > > > loose in morals.> > > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > > > the same.> > > > > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene.> > > > > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story.> > > > > > that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in > > > dharma. > > > Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage > > it > > > can cause to the persons life and in which manner.> > > > > > kindly correct me.> > > > > > Thanks and best regardds> > > Tarun agarwal> > >> >> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Vedic Vedic astrology Vedic astrologers > Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > a.. Visit your group "" on the web.> > b.. > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the > > > >--- In , "Ajay Zharotia-Astro" <ajay@c...> wrote:>> ((Hare Rama Krsna))> > > Dear Sourav & Tarun,> > > > Pranaam,> > > Dear brother Sourav, when you say Arudha are not related to souls in a way you are saying Surya is not any way related to Chandra. How that can be possible?> > > > As I have mentioned, Parasara stated in the chapter 31 shloka 29 that, The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to AL be similarly evaluated from Karakamsa as well". He must be having some reason to equate AL and karakamsa in regards to yoga. > > > > Lagana is like Surya. The Surya is the source of light for all other planets and beings. The Surya is the center of our Solar System of planets; therefore the Surya rules all types of Central things. In ourselves, the Surya rules our center, which is our soul. It shows our true self. > > > > Arudha Lagna is like Chandra. The Chandra is closest to us, and reflects the light of the Surya. Therefore, the Chandra rules the most obvious reflection of our soul to the visible world, and that is our mind or selves as conscious beings. Chandra governs our perception, our imagination. So when our perception interacts with the reality it gives rise to the illusion or Maya. This perceived reality attached to the various bhavas of the horoscope is identifies as Arudha Padas.> > > > Paka lagna is like Jupiter. Together all three of above form three eyes. Surya the right eye, Chandra the left eye, and Jupiter the third eye. > > > > So when it comes to understanding Arudha Padas, Chandra become important. Our mind is controlled by the gunas. It is our mind, which is creating that reality, and it is doing so through gunas of the mind. Gunas rules the mind, which is the organ perceiving your sensory reality and binds the soul in the body. Therefore gunas are ruling how you perceive your reality and how others perceive you. The gunas attached to the Arudha and various bhavas from Arudha will largely affect the manifestation of that bhava.> > > > There are three kinds of gunas i.e Sattvic, Rajasic, and Tamsic. Every planet has their respective gunas, which manifest everything. Jupiter, Chandra and Surya are Sattvic planets. Vishnu Sustains through Sattvic planets. As Jupiter (Akash) sustains everything living and non-living, Surya sustains through availability of resources and Chandra sustains through nurturing. Shukra and Budha are Rajasic in nature. Brahma creates through Rajas. Shukra the jala tattva creates the all living beings and Budha; the bhoomi tattva helps in creating all non-living. Shiva Destroy through tamsic planet i.e Mangal, Agni tattva transforms everything. It destroys the non-living world. Shani the Vayu tattva erodes every cells of living till it destroys them.> > > > Thus, bhava from Arudha Lagana have their specified gunas as first bhava is the bhava of creation, Second bhava is the bhava of sustenance, third bhava is the bhava of destruction and so on repeated in the similar order.> > > > Yes, Parasara suggested to study Lagna and AL as independent lagna but both functions differently according to the nature of Graha they are governed with i.e. is Surya and Chandra respectively. The 6th bhava from lagna works differently from the 6th bhava from Arudha lagna. As per gunas 6th bhava from Arudha lagna is tamsic house, dangerously destructive house. A krura Graha in the AL6 gives very good results in the material word. Whereas, benefics or a strong benefic grahas lord in the AL6 bhava can torment the native with enemies. For example, Hitler had Jupiter as both lord of 6th from lagna and 6th from AL, but 6th from AL had three subha planets. Hitler was ready to take on big adversaries but they ended up being too big for him.> > > > 9th bhava from Arudha lagna is a tamsic bhava but its karaka is benefic Jupiter, so the destruction here is for betterment of the native. It is different than other tamsic bhava. > > > > Tarun, I never said that 9th bhava from AL is the protector of dharma as you have under stood. It is duty of dharma deveta to protect the dharma. The 9th from karakamsa, the Dharma devata is the deity that helps one achieves the ideals and objectives that the soul wishes to attain in this life. The 9th from the Arudha Lagna will show the manifestation of the dharma devata in a person's life. The placement of planet signifying dharma deveta from the Arudha Lagna will show how the he will protect the native. Dharma devata only acts through 9th bhava from AL.> > > > In case of JFK, he had Shani in karka rashi in the AL9 so this is what his dharma devata manifested through. JFK joined politics after being a reporter at the United Nations conference in 1945. He joined as a Democrat (Shani) and as Congressman voted for Truman's welfare programs, including expanded social security benefits, aid to veterans, and old-age benefits (famous for all Shani's projects). As president he worked on civil rights legislation, established the Peace Corps and left us with the slogan "Ask not what your country can do for you -ask what you can do for your country." The Sun, king, gives to the country, while Saturn the worker gives to the government. Saturn opposes Mars (war) and the Peace Corps was establishment of Kennedy's dharma devata through Shani in karka.> > > > I hope this will make things clear.> > > > Reference: Freedom Cole presentation on Arudha, SJC West Coast Conference 2004> - > Sourav Chowdhury > > Saturday, October 29, 2005 7:10 PM> [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rahu in 9th in AL> > > || Hare Rama Krishna ||> > Dear Ajay-ji, Samir-ji and Tarun-ji,> > Namaskar. I think there is more subtlety to it. Remember that there are internal and external significances to any Bhava. For example, 5H - external is following/reputation/offsprings etc. and internal is devotion, emotion etc. One part contributes to the External Image or AL and the other part doesn't. Hence, graha in the 9H from AL may show good results w.r.t the external significance of the Bhava. > > Maharshi Parasara has asked us to analyse yogas w.r.t Lagna as well as AL. So we should find functional malefics and functional benefics from AL also just like we do in case of True Lagna. And then analyse the graha in the 9H from AL. It may be good or bad - w.r.t internal or external significance. > > Graha's in the 9H of D-60 show protection through and through. That is what I have been taught.> > Lets not mix 9th from Karakamsa and 9th from AL. Karakamsa is for soul-level and AL is for the image percevied by the world and there is a big difference. 9H and its lord stand for protecting the image and the graha in that house (the player in that situation) whether helps in that activity or not will depend of its nature and its own lordship. If it is a dusthana (w.r.t AL) lord then how will it protect according to Maharshi Parasara's way of seeing AL as an independant Lagna and doing bhava-analysis?> > Hope this provokes some thought.> > Best regards,> > Sourav> > ================================================> > > > > > > > > --- In , "ajayzharotia" ajay@c... wrote:> >> > ||Hare Rama Krsna||> > > > Dear Tarun, Pranaam> > > > I will tell you my understanding. Gurudev can guide further on this.> > > > Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna is very important one. It is a tamsic > > bhava though its karaka is subh Graha Brhaspati; here the destruction > > takes place to result in something good. Any Graha in Navam Bhava > > from Arudha lagna support the native no matter which it is, and > > people indicated by the karatattva (significations) of that Graha > > will affect his luck, success, and world image during its period. > > > > Here it is important to note what Parasara states in chapter of Bhava > > padas that "The Yogas so far stated by me with reference to the > > Arudha Lagna be similarly evaluated from karakamsa as well" (31.29)> > > > Therefore, Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna and Karakamsa have a deep > > relationship. Navam Bhava from Karakamsa shows your relationship with > > Dharma deveta, similarly Navam Bhava from Arudha lagna will show how > > Dharma Deveta manifests in your life. > > > > Dharma Deveta acts through this bhava to manifest dharma in ones > > life. It shows what he wants you to do in this life. So dasa of Graha > > related to Navam bhava from Arudha lagna will be the period of > > bhagya. Worshipping the dharma deveta during this time is very > > important and the results of the mantras relative to the dharma > > deveta will manifest quickly. Rahu related to this bhava can give > > rise to bhagya through foreign connection or out side native birth > > place or any other significance of Rahu as per the chart indicate.> > > > > > Thanks and Regards> > > > > > Pranaam> > > > Ajay> > > > > > > > > > --- In , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote:> > >> > > Dear Visti ji, Ajay ji and Rafal ji,> > > > > > I read your mails reagrding the dharma i.e. 9th house matters and i > > > also read the article by shri sanajay rath on DHARMA THE FOUNDATION > > > OF MARRIAGE.> > > > > > i concluded that anyhow if Rahu is attached to 9th house or aspects > > > the 9th house creates the fall of dharma and may lead a person to > > be > > > loose in morals.> > > Venus realted to mars ...in scorpio or in 8th or 6th house creates > > > the same.> > > > > > Jupiter debilation too creates the same scene.> > > > > > 9th lord in 6th house is the same story.> > > > > > that means as affliction to 9th house is the main cause of fall in > > > dharma. > > > Kindly suggest if rahu is in 9th in Arudha lagna , how much damage > > it > > > can cause to the persons life and in which manner.> > > > > > kindly correct me.> > > > > > Thanks and best regardds> > > Tarun agarwal> > >> >> > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > > > > Vedic Vedic astrology Vedic astrologers > Free vedic astrology Sjc Jyotish > > > > > > a.. 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Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and arudha lagna is also in 9th house. thanks Tarun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Sourav ji, Thanks for your mail. Sourav ji there is nothing like personal in your opinion so dont worry abt that. Do rahu in some special sign do create some special meaning ...means being in Mithuna or Vrishab creates some special meaning.As some opinion that mithuna is its exalation whereas some says Vrishab as its exalation sign. Thanks Tarun. Agarwal Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun-ji, Namaskar. AL stands for the overall image. AL rasi and grahas conjoining/or aspecting there will have a great influence on how the native is perceived in this world. Ra in AL of native indicates that the native is perceived as a cunning and scheming person ( or, strong in research and finding secrets) and others may not readily trust the native. A strong benefic aspect on AL will give much relief from this. Again, please do not take it to heart; its not a personal comment at all. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================================== , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, > > Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. > > i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY > RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. > what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and arudha > lagna is also in 9th house. > > thanks > > Tarun > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Tarun Ji and Saurav Ji, That's quite right. It has to be seen in an overall perspective. In one's own chart (11th June, 1972; 10:17 AM; Cuttack, Orissa) one is certain that the Graha and Rashi Drishti of Rahu on the AL made for a perception, both in one's own mind and in the minds of others: this is the root to understanding the AL: we contribute to our own image in our own mind. This occured in Rahu MD in the Vimshottari scheme. However, Guru in the 2nd is powerful to provide sustenance and bolsters the image to that of being a meditative Jyotishi and a delver into mystery schools' literature. This occurs in Guru Mahadasha which is continuing at present. It also indicates the profession of a lawyer or the sustenance of the Arudha Lagna (image) with the Karakattwa of Guru (Jyotish, Law etc) Thus Saurav Ji is right. A Graha can indicate very many things and this can be modified with Dashas. For isntance, now with Rahu in the 3rd from AL and Guru activated, it can show Parakrama in Court. All factors can make a difference. In the instant chart, the conjoining of Ketu with the Rajyapada gives work and AL (Rashi Drishti) a cutting, incisive, spiritual attitude with the freedom of the formless informing spiritual insights and lifestyle. Best Wishes. Anurag. , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Tarun-ji, > > Namaskar. AL stands for the overall image. AL rasi and grahas conjoining/or aspecting there will have a great influence on how the native is perceived in this world. Ra in AL of native indicates that the native is perceived as a cunning and scheming person ( or, strong in research and finding secrets) and others may not readily trust the native. A strong benefic aspect on AL will give much relief from this. Again, please do not take it to heart; its not a personal comment at all. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > > ===================================================================== ============= > > > , "Tarun" <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, > > > > Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. > > > > i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY > > RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. > > what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and arudha > > lagna is also in 9th house. > > > > thanks > > > > Tarun > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Dear Sourav Ji, That's quite right. In my own chart, AL is in Vrishchik, co-lorded by Ketu and undercurrents of rage could have been perceived as parts of the image. But once again, Argala, Rashi Drishti, Graha Drishti and the operation of the Dashas all serve to give a composite picture. Vimshottari of the nodes in such a situation can lead to a vastly different image perception than, say, that of a benefic Guru. >From rage and enigmatic lifestyle to spirit(Ketu) and researching archaic/ novel frontiers (Rahu) all in the same chart. It is well known that Argala becomes most active in the Dasha even though its impact will be felt throughout to varying degrees. Regards. Anurag. , "Sourav Chowdhury" <souravc108> wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Anuraag-ji, > > Namaskar. Ke in AL (depending upon influences) can also create an impression of a headless rash person and under serious influences of malefics it will be a demoniac/destructive person ( or image of such). > > Just to give an example, in case of terrorist network, Ra shows the masterminds or evil minds who do all the calculations/plotting etc. and Ke shows the lower-level persons who carry out the job. Understanding Ra and Ke effects in an art within an art. Being chaya grahas - shadowy planets, understanding them should preceed the understanding of the planets which are dispositing/influencing them. One cannot understand the a tree from its shadow, one needs to look at the tree itself. Hence, when understanding of Ra and Ke, occupying sign and influences on that sign should be taken into account and mixed with the nature or Ra and Ke. > > Best regards, > > Sourav > > ============================================== > > > , "anuraagsharma27" <anuraagsharma27@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Tarun Ji and Saurav Ji, > > > > That's quite right. It has to be seen in an overall perspective. In > > one's own chart (11th June, 1972; 10:17 AM; Cuttack, Orissa) one is > > certain that the Graha and Rashi Drishti of Rahu on the AL made for > > a perception, both in one's own mind and in the minds of others: > > this is the root to understanding the AL: we contribute to our own > > image in our own mind. This occured in Rahu MD in the Vimshottari > > scheme. > > > > However, Guru in the 2nd is powerful to provide sustenance and > > bolsters the image to that of being a meditative Jyotishi and a > > delver into mystery schools' literature. This occurs in Guru > > Mahadasha which is continuing at present. It also indicates the > > profession of a lawyer or the sustenance of the Arudha Lagna (image) > > with the Karakattwa of Guru (Jyotish, Law etc) > > > > Thus Saurav Ji is right. A Graha can indicate very many things and > > this can be modified with Dashas. For isntance, now with Rahu in the > > 3rd from AL and Guru activated, it can show Parakrama in Court. > > > > All factors can make a difference. In the instant chart, the > > conjoining of Ketu with the Rajyapada gives work and AL (Rashi > > Drishti) a cutting, incisive, spiritual attitude with the freedom of > > the formless informing spiritual insights and lifestyle. > > > > Best Wishes. > > > > Anurag. > > > > > > > > , "Sourav Chowdhury" > > souravc108 wrote: > > > > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > > > Dear Tarun-ji, > > > > > > Namaskar. AL stands for the overall image. > > AL rasi and grahas conjoining/or aspecting there will have a great > > influence on how the native is perceived in this world. Ra in AL of > > native indicates that the native is perceived as a cunning and > > scheming person ( or, strong in research and finding secrets) and > > others may not readily trust the native. A strong benefic aspect on > > AL will give much relief from this. Again, please do not take it to > > heart; its not a personal comment at all. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > > > Sourav > > > > > > > > ===================================================================== > > ============= > > > > > > > > > , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, > > > > > > > > Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. > > > > > > > > i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS > > OCCUPIED BY > > > > RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. > > > > what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and > > arudha > > > > lagna is also in 9th house. > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Dear Sourav ji, as all the planets or these two shadows exalts in the house opposite to their Marankarat sthana...generally. as venus is bad in 6th so its exalted in 12th house, sun is bad in 7th so exalts in 1st house, mars is bad in 4th house so it exalts in 10th house.....i m not considering its rashis ..because if we consider these houses astheir natural zodiac..we can get them.. the same way as Rahu is worst in 9th house so its opposite sign i.e. 3rd house gemini is considered as its exalation sign. i wish to ask that which is more important ...the house it occupies or the sign it occupies. As we can say that exalted sun in 7th ..........its his worst house but can be exalted there .... Rahu in 9th.in gemini....it is worst their but exalted....... suggest.... thanks tarun Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun-ji, namaskar. In our tradition (SJC) Ra/Ke exalts in Ge/Sg and debilitated in Sg/Ge. Vi and Pi are moolatrikona for them respectively. An exalted planet in AL brings lot of attention and fame. The rasi of AL influences the perceived nature of the person, study each sign and understand the inherent nature. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================================ , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav ji, > > Thanks for your mail. Sourav ji there is nothing like personal in your > opinion so dont worry abt that. > Do rahu in some special sign do create some special meaning ....means > being in Mithuna or Vrishab creates some special meaning.As some opinion > that mithuna is its exalation whereas some says Vrishab as its exalation > sign. > > Thanks > Tarun. Agarwal > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > *|| Hare Rama Krishna ||* > > > > Dear Tarun-ji, > > > > Namaskar. AL stands for the overall image. AL > > rasi and grahas conjoining/or aspecting there will have a great > > influence on how the native is perceived in this world. Ra in AL of > > native indicates that the native is perceived as a cunning and > > scheming person ( or, strong in research and finding secrets) and > > others may not readily trust the native. A strong benefic aspect on AL > > will give much relief from this. Again, please do not take it to > > heart; its not a personal comment at all. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================================== > > > > > > , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, > > > > > > Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. > > > > > > i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY > > > RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. > > > what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and arudha > > > lagna is also in 9th house. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > > the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > <>" on the web. > > > > * > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar Since when did Sun have his marana karaka sthana in the seventh house? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** color:windowtext"> [] On Behalf Of Tarun 04 November 2005 12:37 [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rahu in 9th in AL Dear Sourav ji, as all the planets or these two shadows exalts in the house opposite to their Marankarat sthana...generally. as venus is bad in 6th so its exalted in 12th house, sun is bad in 7th so exalts in 1st house, mars is bad in 4th house so it exalts in 10th house.....i m not considering its rashis ..because if we consider these houses astheir natural zodiac..we can get them.. the same way as Rahu is worst in 9th house so its opposite sign i.e. 3rd house gemini is considered as its exalation sign. i wish to ask that which is more important ...the house it occupies or the sign it occupies. As we can say that exalted sun in 7th ..........its his worst house but can be exalted there .... Rahu in 9th.in gemini....it is worst their but exalted....... suggest.... thanks tarun Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun-ji, namaskar. In our tradition (SJC) Ra/Ke exalts in Ge/Sg and debilitated in Sg/Ge. Vi and Pi are moolatrikona for them respectively. An exalted planet in AL brings lot of attention and fame. The rasi of AL influences the perceived nature of the person, study each sign and understand the inherent nature. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================================ , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav ji, > > Thanks for your mail. Sourav ji there is nothing like personal in your > opinion so dont worry abt that. > Do rahu in some special sign do create some special meaning ...means > being in Mithuna or Vrishab creates some special meaning.As some opinion > that mithuna is its exalation whereas some says Vrishab as its exalation > sign. > > Thanks > Tarun. Agarwal > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > *|| Hare Rama Krishna ||* > > > > Dear Tarun-ji, > > > > Namaskar. AL stands for the overall image. AL > > rasi and grahas conjoining/or aspecting there will have a great > > influence on how the native is perceived in this world. Ra in AL of > > native indicates that the native is perceived as a cunning and > > scheming person ( or, strong in research and finding secrets) and > > others may not readily trust the native. A strong benefic aspect on AL > > will give much relief from this. Again, please do not take it to > > heart; its not a personal comment at all. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================================== > > > > > > , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, > > > > > > Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. > > > > > > i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY > > > RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. > > > what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and arudha > > > lagna is also in 9th house. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > > the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > > today > > > > > > ------ > > > > > > * Visit your group " > > <>" on the web. > > > > * > > > > <?subject=Un> > > > > * Terms of > > Service <>. > > > > > > ------ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Dear Visti ji, I knew that this question will arise thats why i used bad instead of Marankarak for sun and other planets. Let me correct it again, But sir kindly suggest me that which is much important while considering the planet .. like if sun is in seventh it will be bad in relationship as in natural zodiac it is debialates there but if it is exalted what will be the difference being exalted in chart but in debilating house in zodiac. the same way abt saturn is bad in lagna but what if it is exalted there. Rahu is bad in 9th house but what if it is in gemini ...Jupiter is bad in 3rd house but what if it is exalted or own sign.. Actually these question made me much confused while interpretating the chart . Kindly Enlight me. Thanks Tarun Visti Larsen wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} ..shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Tarun, Namaskar Since when did Sun have his marana karaka sthana in the seventh house? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Tarun 04 November 2005 12:37 To: [Om Krishna Guru] Re: Rahu in 9th in AL Dear Sourav ji, as all the planets or these two shadows exalts in the house opposite to their Marankarat sthana...generally. as venus is bad in 6th so its exalted in 12th house, sun is bad in 7th so exalts in 1st house, mars is bad in 4th house so it exalts in 10th house.....i m not considering its rashis ..because if we consider these houses astheir natural zodiac..we can get them.. the same way as Rahu is worst in 9th house so its opposite sign i.e. 3rd house gemini is considered as its exalation sign. i wish to ask that which is more important ...the house it occupies or the sign it occupies. As we can say that exalted sun in 7th ..........its his worst house but can be exalted there .... Rahu in 9th.in gemini....it is worst their but exalted....... suggest.... thanks tarun Sourav Chowdhury wrote: || Hare Rama Krishna || Dear Tarun-ji, namaskar. In our tradition (SJC) Ra/Ke exalts in Ge/Sg and debilitated in Sg/Ge. Vi and Pi are moolatrikona for them respectively. An exalted planet in AL brings lot of attention and fame. The rasi of AL influences the perceived nature of the person, study each sign and understand the inherent nature. Best regards, Sourav ================================================================================ , Tarun <tarun.virgo@g...> wrote: > > Dear Sourav ji, > > Thanks for your mail. Sourav ji there is nothing like personal in your > opinion so dont worry abt that. > Do rahu in some special sign do create some special meaning ....means > being in Mithuna or Vrishab creates some special meaning.As some opinion > that mithuna is its exalation whereas some says Vrishab as its exalation > sign. > > Thanks > Tarun. Agarwal > > Sourav Chowdhury wrote: > > > *|| Hare Rama Krishna ||* > > > > Dear Tarun-ji, > > > > Namaskar. AL stands for the overall image. AL > > rasi and grahas conjoining/or aspecting there will have a great > > influence on how the native is perceived in this world. Ra in AL of > > native indicates that the native is perceived as a cunning and > > scheming person ( or, strong in research and finding secrets) and > > others may not readily trust the native. A strong benefic aspect on AL > > will give much relief from this. Again, please do not take it to > > heart; its not a personal comment at all. > > > > Best regards, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================================== > > > > > > , "Tarun" tarun.virgo@g... wrote: > > > > > > Dear Ajay ji, sourav ji and all members, > > > > > > Thanks alot for clearing my dobts. > > > > > > i have a simple question that in LAGNA CHART 9TH HOUSE IS OCCUPIED BY > > > RAHU AND 9TH HOUSE IS ALSO ARUDHA LAGNA FOR THAT CHART. > > > what will be the result. as my 9th house have rahu in it and arudha > > > lagna is also in 9th house. > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > Tarun > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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