Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Dear Sh. Visti, Thanks for your kind reply. If you pardon me for my ignorence, then a few more doubts are as below basically for my learning purpose. I am contuining the discussion with refernce to my recent mail. You said : My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage will be in kendra to each other. Mr. Dhir Krishan dasa added the trinal position also. I want to know, whether the mutual position of upapadas in the boy and Girl's chart should only be seen or their lord (Upapada Lord) also have a say in the matter of marriage. There could be many cases where the Upapada could be in mutual Kendras but its lord could be placed in various mutual positions, even it could be in 6/8 or 2/12. Similarly, the mutual upapadas could be in mutual 6/8 but its lord may be in mutual kendras. Looking to this fact, may we re-affirm our ruling on the mutual placement of Upapadas. ------ I take up the chart of the girl, which has been screened by you for marriage timing. Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India I have a few clarifications in refernce to what you said : This girl is on her first upapada. You are right but I could not understood, how you ascertained it. If the marriage was the second one (hypothetically) then how would you have detected it ? It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. In this case, the Saturn is 7th and 8th lord. Would it mean that 7th lord aspecting Upapada assures the marriage and 8th lord aspecting makes it arranged. If the Saturn as 7-8th lord had been placed in Upapada, then would these inferences get modified or remain same ? Kindly indicate the rationale, how 8th lord aspecting Upapada makes it an arranged marriage. Just to complete this point, which lord's influence on Upapada makes it a love marriage ? The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. I am trying to attempt the dasha reading. In narayan dasha, Libra-Aries is presently running till 18-8-2006 and thereafter Pisces bhukti runs till June-2007. Libra as the sign of Upapada seems to be OK for marriage. Aries bhukti is in 7th to Upapada and has the aspect of DK-Sun, but has Darapada in 12th to it. Pisces bhukti falls in 6th to the dasha sign-Libra and DK-Sun falls in 6th to it. Would it point the marriage to be probable in Aries bhukti than Pisces, kindly tell me the pros & cons of both periods. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Kindly tell me what is the rationale of Jupiter's aspect to the 2nd sign of Upapada for marriage. Can't Jupiter transiting in Upapada itself or aspecting Upapada or casting argala to Upapada in transit confer marriage ? Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. OK. Can Rudrabhishek be understood as offering water to Shivlinga ? Can some mantra be advised to chant from the consideration of the chart while offering water to Lord Shiva for removing any obstructions in marriage ? Thanks in advance for your effort and time. Respectfully, Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 color:#FF0080">||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Answers below. Best wishes, *** 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">Visti Larsen 10.0pt;font-family:bookman;color:navy">For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com color:navy"> or 10.0pt;font-family:bookman">http://astrovisti.com *** font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 12 December 2005 06:44 [Om Krishna Guru] Some Doubts - Contd 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial">Dear Sh. Visti, 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">Thanks for your kind reply. If you pardon me for my ignorence, then a few more doubts are as below basically for my learning purpose. I am contuining the discussion with refernce to my recent mail. 12.0pt"> font-family:Arial">You said : My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage will be in kendra to each other. Mr. Dhir Krishan dasa added the trinal position also. 12.0pt"> I want to know, whether the mutual position of upapadas in the boy and Girl's chart should only be seen or their lord (Upapada Lord) also have a say in the matter of marriage. 12.0pt"> There could be many cases where the Upapada could be in mutual Kendras but its lord could be placed in various mutual positions, even it could be in 6/8 or 2/12. Similarly, the mutual upapadas could be in mutual 6/8 but its lord may be in mutual kendras. 12.0pt"> Looking to this fact, may we re-affirm our ruling on the mutual placement of Upapadas. 12.0pt"> [Visti] If the upapadas are in dusthana from each other, then this isn’t the first relationships for one of the partners. Simply because one will never accept such a marriage. ------ 12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">I take up the chart of the girl, which has been screened by you for marriage timing. 12.0pt"> Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India 12.0pt"> I have a few clarifications in refernce to what you said : color:navy;font-weight:bold;font-style:italic"> 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">This girl is on her first upapada. font-style:italic"> You are right but I could not understood, how you ascertained it. 12.0pt"> If the marriage was the second one (hypothetically) then how would you have detected it ? 10.0pt;font-family:"Bookman Old Style""> [Visti] That is my secret. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. 12.0pt"> In this case, the Saturn is 7th and 8th lord. Would it mean that 7th lord aspecting Upapada assures the marriage and 8th lord aspecting makes it arranged. 12.0pt"> [Visti] Rahu is the other eighth lord – note that also. Strong Venus in the chart, or Darapada/seventh lord associated with Upapada can bring love marriage, or a marriage where a relationship happened before the marriage. One agrees to an arranged marriage when one feels indebted to ones parents, i.e. they feel indebted towards their heritage. This is caused by the eighth lord, whereas the personal desire is the seventh house/lord. Thats why A8, or eighth lord associated with Upapada can bring an arranged marriage. If the Saturn as 7-8th lord had been placed in Upapada, then would these inferences get modified or remain same ? 12.0pt"> Kindly indicate the rationale, how 8th lord aspecting Upapada makes it an arranged marriage. 12.0pt"> Just to complete this point, which lord's influence on Upapada makes it a love marriage ? 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I am trying to attempt the dasha reading. In narayan dasha, Libra-Aries is presently running till 18-8-2006 and thereafter Pisces bhukti runs till June-2007. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Libra as the sign of Upapada seems to be OK for marriage. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial"> [Visti] Also it is lorded by Venus. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Aries bhukti is in 7th to Upapada and has the aspect of DK-Sun, but has Darapada in 12th to it. [Visti] Darapada is irrelevant for marriage timing. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Pisces bhukti falls in 6th to the dasha sign-Libra and DK-Sun falls in 6th to it. 12.0pt"> [Visti] Pisces contains Grha karaka Ketu, and is aspected by Venus. This makes it very strong to give marriage. The antara-bhaya rasi is the second house showing the growing of the family, which is another important event in marriage. Pisces is very strong to give marriage. Would it point the marriage to be probable in Aries bhukti than Pisces, kindly tell me the pros & cons of both periods. [Visti] Pisces placed in the sixth from it can show some discomfort during the marriage occasion, as there is a lot of stress. 12.0pt"> font-style:italic">The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Kindly tell me what is the rationale of Jupiter's aspect to the 2nd sign of Upapada for marriage. 12.0pt"> [Visti] This is used for muhurta to ensure the sustenance of the marriage. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">Can't Jupiter transiting in Upapada itself or aspecting Upapada or casting argala to Upapada in transit confer marriage ? 12.0pt"> [Visti] Forget Argala in transit... first learn it in the natal chart propperly. Jupiters transit on the seventh house or lord in the rasi or navamsa confers marriage as the spouse is brought. Saturn is seventh lord and is placed in Mithunamsa, which is in trines to Jupiter in Thula. Hence during this time the spouse will come and the world will accept the relationships. Ask them to solemnize when Jupiter is in Scorpio. font-style:italic">Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">OK. Can Rudrabhishek be understood as offering water to Shivlinga ? Can some mantra be advised to chant from the consideration of the chart while offering water to Lord Shiva for removing any obstructions in marriage ? 12.0pt"> [Visti] Rudrabhisheka can only be done in temple. The mantra: Om namo bhagavate Rudraaya is enough. The reason for Rudrabhisheka is because of the malignant Mars in the third house, afflicting Venus. 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Thanks in advance for your effort and time. 12.0pt"> 10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Respectfully, 12.0pt"> Vijay Kumar 12.0pt"> 12.0pt"> font-style:italic"> 12.0pt"> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Dear Sh. Visti, I have my heartfelt thanks to you for being so patient to reply me. I have learnt a lot. I have a small clarification on the following : You said : Rudrabhisheka can only be done in temple. The mantra: Om namo bhagavate Rudraaya is enough. The reason for Rudrabhisheka is because of the malignant Mars in the third house, afflicting Venus. Sir, at the place where girl stays, she has a Shiva temple almost in front of the house where there is a Shivalinga. Now, I do not know whether there is a formal Rudrabhishek done there by the priest. If not, or not very regularly done by the priest there, then would it be possible that the girl offers a pot of water on the linga herself everyday. If you permit this, then : Which day/nakshatra should it be started How many times this mantra be recited while offering water. How many days should this be done. Should the water be plain or mixed with milk, sugar etc. Thanks and Regards, Respectfully, Vijay Kumar - Visti Larsen Monday, December 12, 2005 1:27 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Some Doubts - Contd ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Answers below. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Vijay Kumar [v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 12 December 2005 06:44Subject: [Om Krishna Guru] Some Doubts - Contd Dear Sh. Visti, Thanks for your kind reply. If you pardon me for my ignorence, then a few more doubts are as below basically for my learning purpose. I am contuining the discussion with refernce to my recent mail. You said : My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage will be in kendra to each other. Mr. Dhir Krishan dasa added the trinal position also. I want to know, whether the mutual position of upapadas in the boy and Girl's chart should only be seen or their lord (Upapada Lord) also have a say in the matter of marriage. There could be many cases where the Upapada could be in mutual Kendras but its lord could be placed in various mutual positions, even it could be in 6/8 or 2/12. Similarly, the mutual upapadas could be in mutual 6/8 but its lord may be in mutual kendras. Looking to this fact, may we re-affirm our ruling on the mutual placement of Upapadas. [Visti] If the upapadas are in dusthana from each other, then this isn’t the first relationships for one of the partners. Simply because one will never accept such a marriage. ------ I take up the chart of the girl, which has been screened by you for marriage timing. Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India I have a few clarifications in refernce to what you said : This girl is on her first upapada. You are right but I could not understood, how you ascertained it. If the marriage was the second one (hypothetically) then how would you have detected it ? [Visti] That is my secret. It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. In this case, the Saturn is 7th and 8th lord. Would it mean that 7th lord aspecting Upapada assures the marriage and 8th lord aspecting makes it arranged. [Visti] Rahu is the other eighth lord – note that also. Strong Venus in the chart, or Darapada/seventh lord associated with Upapada can bring love marriage, or a marriage where a relationship happened before the marriage. One agrees to an arranged marriage when one feels indebted to ones parents, i.e. they feel indebted towards their heritage. This is caused by the eighth lord, whereas the personal desire is the seventh house/lord. Thats why A8, or eighth lord associated with Upapada can bring an arranged marriage. If the Saturn as 7-8th lord had been placed in Upapada, then would these inferences get modified or remain same ? Kindly indicate the rationale, how 8th lord aspecting Upapada makes it an arranged marriage. Just to complete this point, which lord's influence on Upapada makes it a love marriage ? The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. I am trying to attempt the dasha reading. In narayan dasha, Libra-Aries is presently running till 18-8-2006 and thereafter Pisces bhukti runs till June-2007. Libra as the sign of Upapada seems to be OK for marriage. [Visti] Also it is lorded by Venus. Aries bhukti is in 7th to Upapada and has the aspect of DK-Sun, but has Darapada in 12th to it. [Visti] Darapada is irrelevant for marriage timing. Pisces bhukti falls in 6th to the dasha sign-Libra and DK-Sun falls in 6th to it. [Visti] Pisces contains Grha karaka Ketu, and is aspected by Venus. This makes it very strong to give marriage. The antara-bhaya rasi is the second house showing the growing of the family, which is another important event in marriage. Pisces is very strong to give marriage. Would it point the marriage to be probable in Aries bhukti than Pisces, kindly tell me the pros & cons of both periods. [Visti] Pisces placed in the sixth from it can show some discomfort during the marriage occasion, as there is a lot of stress. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Kindly tell me what is the rationale of Jupiter's aspect to the 2nd sign of Upapada for marriage. [Visti] This is used for muhurta to ensure the sustenance of the marriage. Can't Jupiter transiting in Upapada itself or aspecting Upapada or casting argala to Upapada in transit confer marriage ? [Visti] Forget Argala in transit... first learn it in the natal chart propperly. Jupiters transit on the seventh house or lord in the rasi or navamsa confers marriage as the spouse is brought. Saturn is seventh lord and is placed in Mithunamsa, which is in trines to Jupiter in Thula. Hence during this time the spouse will come and the world will accept the relationships. Ask them to solemnize when Jupiter is in Scorpio. Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. OK. Can Rudrabhishek be understood as offering water to Shivlinga ? Can some mantra be advised to chant from the consideration of the chart while offering water to Lord Shiva for removing any obstructions in marriage ? [Visti] Rudrabhisheka can only be done in temple. The mantra: Om namo bhagavate Rudraaya is enough. The reason for Rudrabhisheka is because of the malignant Mars in the third house, afflicting Venus. Thanks in advance for your effort and time. Respectfully, Vijay Kumar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Dear Visti, Namaskarams. If I am not mistaken, Sri Vijay has written a lot of articles on Jaimini Upadesa Sutras in the Astrological Magazine. regards Hari On 12/12/05, Vijay Kumar <v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in> wrote: Dear Sh. Visti, I have my heartfelt thanks to you for being so patient to reply me. I have learnt a lot. I have a small clarification on the following : You said : Rudrabhisheka can only be done in temple. The mantra: Om namo bhagavate Rudraaya is enough. The reason for Rudrabhisheka is because of the malignant Mars in the third house, afflicting Venus. Sir, at the place where girl stays, she has a Shiva temple almost in front of the house where there is a Shivalinga. Now, I do not know whether there is a formal Rudrabhishek done there by the priest. If not, or not very regularly done by the priest there, then would it be possible that the girl offers a pot of water on the linga herself everyday. If you permit this, then : Which day/nakshatra should it be started How many times this mantra be recited while offering water. How many days should this be done. Should the water be plain or mixed with milk, sugar etc. Thanks and Regards, Respectfully, Vijay Kumar - Visti Larsen Monday, December 12, 2005 1:27 PM RE: [Om Krishna Guru] Some Doubts - Contd ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Vijay, Namaskar Answers below. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** Vijay Kumar [ v_kumar (AT) cdotb (DOT) ernet.in] 12 December 2005 06:44 [Om Krishna Guru] Some Doubts - Contd Dear Sh. Visti, Thanks for your kind reply. If you pardon me for my ignorence, then a few more doubts are as below basically for my learning purpose. I am contuining the discussion with refernce to my recent mail. You said : My experience tells that the two upapadas in case of an arranged marriage will be in kendra to each other. Mr. Dhir Krishan dasa added the trinal position also. I want to know, whether the mutual position of upapadas in the boy and Girl's chart should only be seen or their lord (Upapada Lord) also have a say in the matter of marriage. There could be many cases where the Upapada could be in mutual Kendras but its lord could be placed in various mutual positions, even it could be in 6/8 or 2/12. Similarly, the mutual upapadas could be in mutual 6/8 but its lord may be in mutual kendras. Looking to this fact, may we re-affirm our ruling on the mutual placement of Upapadas. [Visti] If the upapadas are in dusthana from each other, then this isn�t the first relationships for one of the partners. Simply because one will never accept such a marriage. ------ I take up the chart of the girl, which has been screened by you for marriage timing. Dr. Neelanjana Saxena 18-08-1978 03:26 Hrs IST Allahabad [81E51, 25N26], India I have a few clarifications in refernce to what you said : This girl is on her first upapada. You are right but I could not understood, how you ascertained it. If the marriage was the second one (hypothetically) then how would you have detected it ? [Visti] That is my secret. It will be an arranged marriage, due to the aspects of eighth lords on the upapada. In this case, the Saturn is 7th and 8th lord. Would it mean that 7th lord aspecting Upapada assures the marriage and 8th lord aspecting makes it arranged. [Visti] Rahu is the other eighth lord � note that also. Strong Venus in the chart, or Darapada/seventh lord associated with Upapada can bring love marriage, or a marriage where a relationship happened before the marriage. One agrees to an arranged marriage when one feels indebted to ones parents, i.e. they feel indebted towards their heritage. This is caused by the eighth lord, whereas the personal desire is the seventh house/lord. Thats why A8, or eighth lord associated with Upapada can bring an arranged marriage. If the Saturn as 7-8th lord had been placed in Upapada, then would these inferences get modified or remain same ? Kindly indicate the rationale, how 8th lord aspecting Upapada makes it an arranged marriage. Just to complete this point, which lord's influence on Upapada makes it a love marriage ? The current time is looking very strong for marriage, and i believe she could finalize very soon, i.e. within the next year, based on the dasas. I am trying to attempt the dasha reading. In narayan dasha, Libra-Aries is presently running till 18-8-2006 and thereafter Pisces bhukti runs till June-2007. Libra as the sign of Upapada seems to be OK for marriage. [Visti] Also it is lorded by Venus. Aries bhukti is in 7th to Upapada and has the aspect of DK-Sun, but has Darapada in 12th to it. [Visti] Darapada is irrelevant for marriage timing. Pisces bhukti falls in 6th to the dasha sign-Libra and DK-Sun falls in 6th to it. [Visti] Pisces contains Grha karaka Ketu, and is aspected by Venus. This makes it very strong to give marriage. The antara-bhaya rasi is the second house showing the growing of the family, which is another important event in marriage. Pisces is very strong to give marriage. Would it point the marriage to be probable in Aries bhukti than Pisces, kindly tell me the pros & cons of both periods. [Visti] Pisces placed in the sixth from it can show some discomfort during the marriage occasion, as there is a lot of stress. The transit of Jupiter into Scorpio after next summer should be planned as the marriage time. Kindly tell me what is the rationale of Jupiter's aspect to the 2nd sign of Upapada for marriage. [Visti] This is used for muhurta to ensure the sustenance of the marriage. Can't Jupiter transiting in Upapada itself or aspecting Upapada or casting argala to Upapada in transit confer marriage ? [Visti] Forget Argala in transit... first learn it in the natal chart propperly. Jupiters transit on the seventh house or lord in the rasi or navamsa confers marriage as the spouse is brought. Saturn is seventh lord and is placed in Mithunamsa, which is in trines to Jupiter in Thula. Hence during this time the spouse will come and the world will accept the relationships. Ask them to solemnize when Jupiter is in Scorpio. Advise the girl to fast on Fridays and perform Rudrabhisheka to bring the marriage quicker. OK. Can Rudrabhishek be understood as offering water to Shivlinga ? Can some mantra be advised to chant from the consideration of the chart while offering water to Lord Shiva for removing any obstructions in marriage ? [Visti] Rudrabhisheka can only be done in temple. The mantra: Om namo bhagavate Rudraaya is enough. The reason for Rudrabhisheka is because of the malignant Mars in the third house, afflicting Venus. Thanks in advance for your effort and time. Respectfully, Vijay Kumar ~ om tat sat ~Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.(3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Visit your group "" on the web. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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