Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 The nature and the life of a person is usually predicted based on the ascendant in a horoscope, subject to changes by the combinations and other aspects in the chart. However, often the jyotish pundits base their readings on other lagnas also such as Arudha Lagna, Sri Lagna, Paka Lagna , chandra Lagna and Surya Lagna. Chandra lagna , amongst these forms an important basis for divination, as it is believed that the sign in which Moon resides called Janma rasi determines the basis character and fortune of a person. Even classics such as BHPS insist that one's chart should be read with respect to either lagna or chandra lagna, which ever is stronger. Sudarshana chakra is a tool through which you can read three lagnas- Bhava, chandra and surya at once, indicating the importance that have to be given to surya lagna. Yet others prefer to base their readings on the bhavath bhava system. If you are reading the second Bhava ie money aspects in a chart, you will temporarily make the second house as the lagna and read the chart. Thus, the `longevity' of the dhana is told by 8th to 2nd house ie 9th House (fortune), service' (as to be told by 6th house) with money will be seen by 6th house to 2nd house ie 7th house (business) and the money relationships are seen by 7th to 2nd ie 8th house, which often determines your bank loans. Maraca to second house is 3rd house which determines your debts. The profession of money is nothing but what you will do with your money. Ie investments this can be seen from 11th house. The 11th to 2nd ie 12th house determines your success with money. Similarly, if you make the 7th house as the lagna, the problems in relationships can be seen ie attacks in relationships by 6th to 7th ie 12th house. This system gives quite good results if you really understand not only the bhavas but also, the underlying nature of all the 12 bhavas so that how they behave in relation to other bhavas There are other systems of reading the chart also, say, by making a certain planet as the starting point. For eg., there are people who believe that Mercury behaves malefic or benefic and depending upon the position of Mercury, the other planets behave. Similarly, some point out that the nodal points in the zodiac are more powerful than the real planets and hence, the nodal points should be given priority in readings than the real planets themselves. This is so, because they dominate the magnetic influences around earth , preceding the cosmic energies of the other planets. Actually, there are several important zodiac points which throw more light on the life of the native. These include such things as sphuta and beeja and also several mini planets(including gulika and mandi) which are listed in BHPS. Also, the nodal points were not taken into account in many classics such as Saravali However, with time, atleast in some areas originally , Rahu and ketu are considered very malefic and highly important. For eg., the concepts like Rahu kalam and Sarpa dosa find their origins in Tamilnadu and the state is famous for the rahu poojas. So, gradually, Rahu and ketu found their way into the annals of astrology readings. There are books written extensively on the nodes by such people as Manik Chand Jain. In this book, the most interesting part that attracted my attention is discussion of your purva janma depending upon the position of the Rahu. Interestingly, Rahu and Ketu have their own karakatwas, their own asterisms (and hence, dasas) and in time, the astrologers tried to identify the houses owned by the nodes as well as their exaltation and debilitation. The Rahu and ketu are said to be at their malefic best, when all the planets are hemmed in between these two nodes. Again, there are several controversies are seen in this theory. One school argues that hemming by Rahu and Ketu is a dosha, no matter which way they are hemmed. Whereas another school argues that the dosha is turned to yoga (kalamrita yoga) depending upon who is heading the `snake' of the nodal axis. Similarly, you are finding nowadays the concept of partial kala sarpa doshas, which literally makes every chart afflicted with this dosha. Secondly, you are also finding several natives afflicted by KSDosham, who are happily married and settled. Not to be undone in such cases, the astrologers have put in the concept of variant KSY. Ie If you are afflicted by KS dosha, you will find difficulty in various areas of your life, not necessarily limited to conjugal life, depending upon the house occupied by Rahu. So, the validity of Rahu centric theory, which makes the reading the chart revolve around Rahu-by examining the house occupied by Rahu, nature of the dispositor, the nature of the asterism in which Rahu is placed, Rahu's navamsa and the relationship of the other planets with Rahu.etc - has to be examined and debated, as some of the beliefs seem to be correct but often the extended theories are only floated by vested interests. Some of the astrologers may argue that these beliefs do not form part of the Rahu centric theory, but obviously, they do, as the astrologers who advocate the above beliefs, prescribe the Rahu remedies no matter what are the other good points present in the chart. Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Kishore, Namaskar A discussion requires an argument to be presented. What is your argument? Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of kishore mohan 18 February 2006 12:11 [Om Krishna Guru] rahu centric theory -let us debate The nature and the life of a person is usually predicted based on the ascendant in a horoscope, subject to changes by the combinations and other aspects in the chart. However, often the jyotish pundits base their readings on other lagnas also such as Arudha Lagna, Sri Lagna, Paka Lagna , chandra Lagna and Surya Lagna. Chandra lagna , amongst these forms an important basis for divination, as it is believed that the sign in which Moon resides called Janma rasi determines the basis character and fortune of a person. Even classics such as BHPS insist that one's chart should be read with respect to either lagna or chandra lagna, which ever is stronger. Sudarshana chakra is a tool through which you can read three lagnas- Bhava, chandra and surya at once, indicating the importance that have to be given to surya lagna. Yet others prefer to base their readings on the bhavath bhava system. If you are reading the second Bhava ie money aspects in a chart, you will temporarily make the second house as the lagna and read the chart. Thus, the `longevity' of the dhana is told by 8th to 2nd house ie 9th House (fortune), service' (as to be told by 6th house) with money will be seen by 6th house to 2nd house ie 7th house (business) and the money relationships are seen by 7th to 2nd ie 8th house, which often determines your bank loans. Maraca to second house is 3rd house which determines your debts. The profession of money is nothing but what you will do with your money. Ie investments this can be seen from 11th house. The 11th to 2nd ie 12th house determines your success with money. Similarly, if you make the 7th house as the lagna, the problems in relationships can be seen ie attacks in relationships by 6th to 7th ie 12th house. This system gives quite good results if you really understand not only the bhavas but also, the underlying nature of all the 12 bhavas so that how they behave in relation to other bhavas There are other systems of reading the chart also, say, by making a certain planet as the starting point. For eg., there are people who believe that Mercury behaves malefic or benefic and depending upon the position of Mercury, the other planets behave. Similarly, some point out that the nodal points in the zodiac are more powerful than the real planets and hence, the nodal points should be given priority in readings than the real planets themselves. This is so, because they dominate the magnetic influences around earth , preceding the cosmic energies of the other planets. Actually, there are several important zodiac points which throw more light on the life of the native. These include such things as sphuta and beeja and also several mini planets(including gulika and mandi) which are listed in BHPS. Also, the nodal points were not taken into account in many classics such as Saravali However, with time, atleast in some areas originally , Rahu and ketu are considered very malefic and highly important. For eg., the concepts like Rahu kalam and Sarpa dosa find their origins in Tamilnadu and the state is famous for the rahu poojas. So, gradually, Rahu and ketu found their way into the annals of astrology readings. There are books written extensively on the nodes by such people as Manik Chand Jain. In this book, the most interesting part that attracted my attention is discussion of your purva janma depending upon the position of the Rahu. Interestingly, Rahu and Ketu have their own karakatwas, their own asterisms (and hence, dasas) and in time, the astrologers tried to identify the houses owned by the nodes as well as their exaltation and debilitation. The Rahu and ketu are said to be at their malefic best, when all the planets are hemmed in between these two nodes. Again, there are several controversies are seen in this theory. One school argues that hemming by Rahu and Ketu is a dosha, no matter which way they are hemmed. Whereas another school argues that the dosha is turned to yoga (kalamrita yoga) depending upon who is heading the `snake' of the nodal axis. Similarly, you are finding nowadays the concept of partial kala sarpa doshas, which literally makes every chart afflicted with this dosha. Secondly, you are also finding several natives afflicted by KSDosham, who are happily married and settled. Not to be undone in such cases, the astrologers have put in the concept of variant KSY. Ie If you are afflicted by KS dosha, you will find difficulty in various areas of your life, not necessarily limited to conjugal life, depending upon the house occupied by Rahu. So, the validity of Rahu centric theory, which makes the reading the chart revolve around Rahu-by examining the house occupied by Rahu, nature of the dispositor, the nature of the asterism in which Rahu is placed, Rahu's navamsa and the relationship of the other planets with Rahu.etc - has to be examined and debated, as some of the beliefs seem to be correct but often the extended theories are only floated by vested interests. Some of the astrologers may argue that these beliefs do not form part of the Rahu centric theory, but obviously, they do, as the astrologers who advocate the above beliefs, prescribe the Rahu remedies no matter what are the other good points present in the chart. Kishore patnaik ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 ?Am I capable of presenting an argument? I have presented a case for having an argument-what is to be argued and why it should be argued. It is for the more learned in the group to present their views. regards, Kishore patnaik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 ||| Hare Rama Krishna ||| Dear Kishore Ji, Namaskaar. Allow me to share some of my thoughts... It is indeed healthy to examine a chart taking a wholistic approach as you are suggesting in your e-mail. However, what is "rahu-centric" theory? Are you trying to focus on one area based on the placements of the Nodes, etc? This was recently discussed at the SJC-Atri group based on the teachings of the Classics and the mp3 recordings are available at : http://sjcerc.com/sjcatri.htm Regards, Nitin. || Namah Shivaaya || > > > [] On >Behalf Of kishore mohan >18 February 2006 12:11 > >[Om Krishna Guru] rahu centric theory -let us debate > >The nature and the life of a person is usually predicted based on the >ascendant in a horoscope, subject to changes by the combinations and >other aspects in the chart. However, often the jyotish pundits base >their readings on other lagnas also such as Arudha Lagna, Sri Lagna, >Paka Lagna , chandra Lagna and Surya Lagna. > >Chandra lagna , amongst these forms an important basis for >divination, as it is believed that the sign in which Moon resides >called Janma rasi determines the basis character and fortune of a >person. Even classics such as BHPS insist that one's chart should be >read with respect to either lagna or chandra lagna, which ever is >stronger. > >Sudarshana chakra is a tool through which you can read three lagnas- >Bhava, chandra and surya at once, indicating the importance that >have to be given to surya lagna. > >Yet others prefer to base their readings on the bhavath bhava >system. > >If you are reading the second Bhava ie money aspects in a chart, you >will temporarily make the second house as the lagna and read the >chart. Thus, the `longevity' of the dhana is told by 8th to 2nd >house ie 9th House (fortune), service' (as to be told by 6th house) >with money will be seen by 6th house to 2nd house ie 7th house >(business) and the money relationships are seen by 7th to 2nd ie 8th >house, which often determines your bank loans. Maraca to second >house is 3rd house which determines your debts. The profession of >money is nothing but what you will do with your money. Ie investments >this can be seen from 11th house. The 11th to 2nd ie 12th house >determines your success with money. > >Similarly, if you make the 7th house as the lagna, the problems in >relationships can be seen ie attacks in relationships by 6th to 7th >ie 12th house. > >This system gives quite good results if you really understand not >only the bhavas but also, the underlying nature of all the 12 >bhavas so that how they behave in relation to other bhavas > >There are other systems of reading the chart also, say, by making a >certain planet as the starting point. For eg., there are people who >believe that Mercury behaves malefic or benefic and depending upon >the position of Mercury, the other planets behave. > >Similarly, some point out that the nodal points in the zodiac are >more powerful than the real planets and hence, the nodal points >should be given priority in readings than the real planets >themselves. This is so, because they dominate the magnetic >influences around earth , preceding the cosmic energies of the other >planets. > > Actually, there are several important zodiac points which throw more >light on the life of the native. These include such things as sphuta >and beeja and also several mini planets(including gulika and mandi) >which are listed in BHPS. Also, the nodal points were not taken into >account in many classics such as Saravali > >However, with time, atleast in some areas originally , Rahu and ketu >are considered very malefic and highly important. For eg., the >concepts like Rahu kalam and Sarpa dosa find their origins in >Tamilnadu and the state is famous for the rahu poojas. So, >gradually, Rahu and ketu found their way into the annals of >astrology readings. > >There are books written extensively on the nodes by such people as >Manik Chand Jain. > >In this book, the most interesting part that attracted my attention >is discussion of your purva janma depending upon the position of the >Rahu. > >Interestingly, Rahu and Ketu have their own karakatwas, their own >asterisms (and hence, dasas) and in time, the astrologers tried to >identify the houses owned by the nodes as well as their exaltation >and debilitation. The Rahu and ketu are said to be at their malefic >best, when all the planets are hemmed in between these two nodes. >Again, there are several controversies are seen in this theory. > >One school argues that hemming by Rahu and Ketu is a dosha, no >matter which way they are hemmed. Whereas another school argues that >the dosha is turned to yoga (kalamrita yoga) depending upon who is >heading the `snake' of the nodal axis. > >Similarly, you are finding nowadays the concept of partial kala >sarpa doshas, which literally makes every chart afflicted with this >dosha. > >Secondly, you are also finding several natives afflicted by >KSDosham, who are happily married and settled. Not to be undone in >such cases, the astrologers have put in the concept of variant KSY. >Ie If you are afflicted by KS dosha, you will find difficulty in >various areas of your life, not necessarily limited to conjugal life, >depending upon the house occupied by Rahu. > >So, the validity of Rahu centric theory, which makes the reading the >chart revolve around Rahu-by examining the house occupied by Rahu, >nature of the dispositor, the nature of the asterism in which Rahu is >placed, Rahu's navamsa and the relationship of the other planets with >Rahu.etc - has to be examined and debated, as some of the beliefs >seem to be correct but often the extended theories are only floated >by vested interests. > >Some of the astrologers may argue that these beliefs do not form part >of the Rahu centric theory, but obviously, they do, as the >astrologers who advocate the above beliefs, prescribe the Rahu >remedies no matter what are the other good points present in the >chart. > > >Kishore patnaik ______________ Sent via the WebMail system at justnitin.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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