Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 Om Namo Namaha Respected members of the group Please clarify me on this point. Waning Moon and Afflicted Mercury are supposed to be papa or malefic . However Afflicted mercury is not considered malefic for Bhavas or Calculating Bhava Balas. So if a planet is hemmed between Waning moon and Afflicted Mercury is it to be considered as Papa Kartari yoga? or is Waning Moon and afflicted Mercury to be treated differently from natural malefics like Mars and Saturn. Please try to guide me on how these two afflicted Moon and Mercury are to treated? Thanking you .....V.Venkata Rao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 ||Hare Rama Krsna|| Dear Venkata, Namaskar The Moon gets mildly benefic, but doesn't attain the ability to afflict, hence cannot form papakartari, etc. yogas. Mercury becomes malefic due to his conjunctions, and if he is with a malefic, then anyway the papakartari can be administered by him AND the malefic he is joined. Best wishes, *** Visti Larsen For services and articles visit: http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com *** [] On Behalf Of Venkata Rao 21 February 2006 23:56 [Om Krishna Guru] Papa kartari yoga Om Namo Namaha Respected members of the group Please clarify me on this point. Waning Moon and Afflicted Mercury are supposed to be papa or malefic . However Afflicted mercury is not considered malefic for Bhavas or Calculating Bhava Balas. So if a planet is hemmed between Waning moon and Afflicted Mercury is it to be considered as Papa Kartari yoga? or is Waning Moon and afflicted Mercury to be treated differently from natural malefics like Mars and Saturn. Please try to guide me on how these two afflicted Moon and Mercury are to treated? Thanking you .....V.Venkata Rao ~ om tat sat ~ Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Dear Venkata-ji, namaskar. Just to add to what Visti-ji said, in my own words. Papakartari first requires Paapa and natural malefics show the sins of the past lives. The word malefic means "harmful" and not really "sinful". Sa and Ra are rank malefics in this yoga and are more damaging if they are in the 12th from the house under kartari - because Sa will then asepect the 2nd from the said house and Ra will aspect the house itself. In any case, if Me is one of the grahas and as you said it is afflicted, how is it afflicted unless it is not in the presence of a papa graha ? That papa graha will make the kartari effective and Me will allow it. Now, my question to you and Visti-ji is that what if we have a house under kartari and one of the papa grahas is the lord and/or Karaka of that house ? Will it protect or destroy ? Best wishes, Sourav ================================================================== , "Visti Larsen" <visti wrote:>> ||Hare Rama Krsna||> Dear Venkata, Namaskar> The Moon gets mildly benefic, but doesn't attain the ability to afflict,> hence cannot form papakartari, etc. yogas.> Mercury becomes malefic due to his conjunctions, and if he is with a> malefic, then anyway the papakartari can be administered by him AND the> malefic he is joined.> Best wishes,> ***> Visti Larsen> For services and articles visit: > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com> ***> > -----Original Message-----> [] On> Behalf Of Venkata Rao> 21 February 2006 23:56> > [Om Krishna Guru] Papa kartari yoga> > Om Namo Namaha> Respected members of the group Please clarify me on this point.> Waning Moon and Afflicted Mercury are supposed to be papa or malefic . > However Afflicted mercury is not considered malefic for Bhavas or > Calculating Bhava Balas. So if a planet is hemmed between Waning moon > and Afflicted Mercury is it to be considered as Papa Kartari yoga? or > is Waning Moon and afflicted Mercury to be treated differently from > natural malefics like Mars and Saturn. Please try to guide me on how > these two afflicted Moon and Mercury are to treated? Thanking > you ......V.Venkata Rao> > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~> Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna'> (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that the> human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals.> (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading today > Links> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Dear all, Namaskar. What happens in Papa kartari yoga 1)if one of the planets forming it is a YOGAKARAKA(malefic by nature) planet for that lagna? 2)if that planet is in DEBILIATION then its effect reduced? for example : a TYPICAL SITUATION for SIMHA lagna MARS becomes YOGAKARAKA , if its in 12th house in debltn & saturn in 1st house(raja yoga karaka), Rahu in second house IN OWN house. What Happens??? Regards, Rahul , "Sourav" <souravc108 wrote: > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > Dear Venkata-ji, > > namaskar. Just to add to what Visti-ji > said, in my own words. Papakartari first requires Paapa and natural > malefics show the sins of the past lives. The word malefic means > "harmful" and not really "sinful". Sa and Ra are rank malefics in this > yoga and are more damaging if they are in the 12th from the house under > kartari - because Sa will then asepect the 2nd from the said house and > Ra will aspect the house itself. > > In any case, if Me is one of the grahas and as you said it is afflicted, > how is it afflicted unless it is not in the presence of a papa graha ? > That papa graha will make the kartari effective and Me will allow it. > > Now, my question to you and Visti-ji is that what if we have a house > under kartari and one of the papa grahas is the lord and/or Karaka of > that house ? Will it protect or destroy ? > > Best wishes, > > Sourav > > ================================================================== > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > Dear Venkata, Namaskar > > The Moon gets mildly benefic, but doesn't attain the ability to > afflict, > > hence cannot form papakartari, etc. yogas. > > Mercury becomes malefic due to his conjunctions, and if he is with a > > malefic, then anyway the papakartari can be administered by him AND > the > > malefic he is joined. > > Best wishes, > > *** > > Visti Larsen > > For services and articles visit: > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > *** > > > > > > > [] On > > Behalf Of Venkata Rao > > 21 February 2006 23:56 > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Papa kartari yoga > > > > Om Namo Namaha > > Respected members of the group Please clarify me on this point. > > Waning Moon and Afflicted Mercury are supposed to be papa or malefic . > > However Afflicted mercury is not considered malefic for Bhavas or > > Calculating Bhava Balas. So if a planet is hemmed between Waning moon > > and Afflicted Mercury is it to be considered as Papa Kartari yoga? or > > is Waning Moon and afflicted Mercury to be treated differently from > > natural malefics like Mars and Saturn. Please try to guide me on how > > these two afflicted Moon and Mercury are to treated? Thanking > > you .....V.Venkata Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said that > the > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart reading > today > > Links > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Dear All, Namaskarams . Thanks for answering my query. Mercury may get afflicted by conjuction or aspects by malefics like Mars and Saturn etc. In the calculation of Shadbalas if Mercury receives more of Malefic aspect than Benefic aspect , then Mercury is considered as papa graha , subject to certain exemptions like Swasthana, exaltation etc. The aspect of afflicted Mercury is taken as malefic or -ve on other planets. However whether Mercury is papa or Subha its aspect on a house or Bhava is always positive and benefic for calculation of Bhava bala. In respect of afflicted or Waning Moon its aspects both on Grahas for Shadbalas and on Bhavas for Bhava bala is taken as malefic or negative. If waning moon is in its swasthana or exaltation position or Lagnadhipathi should it be considered as papa or Subha for its aspects on Grahas and Bhavas? Vistiji is saying that Moon becomes mildly benefic but not attain Papakartari yoga. Mercury can get afflicted not only by conjuction but by malefic aspects also , then will it be able to attain a papa kartari yoga. I think a planet attains papakartari yoga even if it is a yogakaraka for a Lagna. Natural malefics like Mars and Saturn are always considered negative for aspects on Grahas and Bhavas for calculation of Shadbala and Bhava Balas irrespective of their positions. They may become benefic or yogakaraka for interpretation of certain Bhavas and Lagnas. Planets get certain strength as per their position like exaltation , debilitation etc. Interpretation of a bhava is to be seen with planets position, Lagna, Dasa , gochara etc. My query, was, since Moon and Mercury or not natural malefics , can they cause yoga like papakartari for a plannet or Bhava. Regards, V.venkata Rao , "rahul_10uday" <rahul_10uday wrote: > > Dear all, > Namaskar. > What happens in Papa kartari yoga > 1)if one of the planets forming it is a YOGAKARAKA(malefic by > nature) planet for that lagna? > > 2)if that planet is in DEBILIATION then its effect reduced? > > for example : a TYPICAL SITUATION > > for SIMHA lagna > MARS becomes YOGAKARAKA , if its in 12th house in debltn & > saturn in 1st house(raja yoga karaka), > Rahu in second house IN OWN house. > > What Happens??? > > Regards, > Rahul > , "Sourav" <souravc108@> wrote: > > > > > > || Hare Rama Krishna || > > > > Dear Venkata-ji, > > > > namaskar. Just to add to what > Visti-ji > > said, in my own words. Papakartari first requires Paapa and natural > > malefics show the sins of the past lives. The word malefic means > > "harmful" and not really "sinful". Sa and Ra are rank malefics in > this > > yoga and are more damaging if they are in the 12th from the house > under > > kartari - because Sa will then asepect the 2nd from the said house > and > > Ra will aspect the house itself. > > > > In any case, if Me is one of the grahas and as you said it is > afflicted, > > how is it afflicted unless it is not in the presence of a papa > graha ? > > That papa graha will make the kartari effective and Me will allow > it. > > > > Now, my question to you and Visti-ji is that what if we have a house > > under kartari and one of the papa grahas is the lord and/or Karaka > of > > that house ? Will it protect or destroy ? > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Sourav > > > > ================================================================== > > > > > > , "Visti Larsen" <visti@> wrote: > > > > > > ||Hare Rama Krsna|| > > > Dear Venkata, Namaskar > > > The Moon gets mildly benefic, but doesn't attain the ability to > > afflict, > > > hence cannot form papakartari, etc. yogas. > > > Mercury becomes malefic due to his conjunctions, and if he is > with a > > > malefic, then anyway the papakartari can be administered by him > AND > > the > > > malefic he is joined. > > > Best wishes, > > > *** > > > Visti Larsen > > > For services and articles visit: > > > http://srigaruda.com or http://astrovisti.com > > > *** > > > > > > > > > > > [] On > > > Behalf Of Venkata Rao > > > 21 February 2006 23:56 > > > > > > [Om Krishna Guru] Papa kartari yoga > > > > > > Om Namo Namaha > > > Respected members of the group Please clarify me on this point. > > > Waning Moon and Afflicted Mercury are supposed to be papa or > malefic . > > > However Afflicted mercury is not considered malefic for Bhavas or > > > Calculating Bhava Balas. So if a planet is hemmed between Waning > moon > > > and Afflicted Mercury is it to be considered as Papa Kartari > yoga? or > > > is Waning Moon and afflicted Mercury to be treated differently > from > > > natural malefics like Mars and Saturn. Please try to guide me on > how > > > these two afflicted Moon and Mercury are to treated? Thanking > > > you .....V.Venkata Rao > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~ om tat sat ~ > > > Thank you for maintaining the decorum of the Achyuta Ashram. > > > Reminders: (1) Recite the Shadakshari Mantra 'Hare Rama Krishna' > > > (2) Try to become Vegetarian - remember Akbar the Great who said > that > > the > > > human stomach should not become a graveyard for animals. > > > (3) Practise charity in thought and deed - do one free chart > reading > > today > > > Links > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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