Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 Dear list members and experts, This mail is little longer but I required to write this much details to explain my confusion. I hope everybody will agree with me after reading entire mail. Each person who have came in touch of astrology knows that there are 12 planets, 12 signs and 27 stars but combination of those creates such a wide verities of result so that each person is living unique life. So prediction becomes really difficult task and it is almost impossible to get 100% accuracy. The point I'm going to put here is probably discussed thousands of time between people who are interested in Astrology but personally I could not get satisfactory answer so I'm trying to get some knowledge from experts like you. Biggest confusion for Astrology student is to know which planets are benific and which are melific for an individual. Now coming to the point I know two theories of Vedic Astrology (1) Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu creates negative effects and Jupiter, Moon, Venus and Mercury creates positive effect in individual's life. This is very general rule. Normally we tend to consider Saturn and Mars responsible for any kind of negativity in our life. (2) Second theory is based on Lagna dependent. For specific rising sign, some are supportive planets and some are opposite. I think Parasharya's rules are mostly accepted. But in reality we can see that both are incomplete rules because many time we see that some people never get anything good in their entire life and some never face any kind of major problem in life and get every kind of happiness. (problems being created due to nature and attitude of person is not considered here) There is no theory where it is possible that every planets are supportive to an individual then why some people gets everything in life? and there is no theory where it is possible that every planets are giving negative effect to an individual person then why some people gets nothing in life? CONSLUSIVELY MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE THEORY TO KNOW WHICH PLANET IS CREATING WHAT KIND OF EFFECT IN INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE AND WHEN CERTAINS INCIDENCE HAPPENS IN SOMEONE'S LIFE? If we can not come to accurate theory and astrology is just creating more confusions in life then there is no use of such knowledge that's what I believe. I have lots of example which violets well known Astrology rules. May be my knowledge is not sufficient so that I could not resolve the cause of problem. I want to discuss all this example (charts) with group members so that students like me can understand the mysteries of astrology. I hope I have putted my question in simple manner and I'm expecting some knowledge from group members. I'M EXPECTING EVERYBODY'S OWN EXPERIENCE, NOT SENTENCES/QUOTES FROM BOOKS. Regards Tushar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2003 Report Share Posted April 26, 2003 hi, a planet may be benefic to an individual but it may be malefic to his relatives. this is quoted by mr. k.s.krishnamurthi, the inventor of the krishnamurti padhdhati. there is no predifined rule that each planet is benefic or malefic. dr.rahul. , "tushar_9" <tushar_9> wrote: > Dear list members and experts, > > This mail is little longer but I required to write this much details > to explain my confusion. I hope everybody will agree with me after > reading entire mail. > > Each person who have came in touch of astrology knows that there are > 12 planets, 12 signs and 27 stars but combination of those creates > such a wide verities of result so that each person is living unique > life. So prediction becomes really difficult task and it is almost > impossible to get 100% accuracy. > > The point I'm going to put here is probably discussed thousands of > time between people who are interested in Astrology but personally I > could not get satisfactory answer so I'm trying to get some knowledge > from experts like you. > > Biggest confusion for Astrology student is to know which planets are > benific and which are melific for an individual. > > Now coming to the point I know two theories of Vedic Astrology > > (1) Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu creates negative effects and > Jupiter, Moon, Venus and Mercury creates positive effect in > individual's life. This is very general rule. Normally we tend to > consider Saturn and Mars responsible for any kind of negativity in > our life. > > (2) Second theory is based on Lagna dependent. For specific rising > sign, some are supportive planets and some are opposite. I think > Parasharya's rules are mostly accepted. > > But in reality we can see that both are incomplete rules because many > time we see that some people never get anything good in their entire > life and some never face any kind of major problem in life and get > every kind of happiness. (problems being created due to nature and > attitude of person is not considered here) > > There is no theory where it is possible that every planets are > supportive to an individual then why some people gets everything in > life? and there is no theory where it is possible that every planets > are giving negative effect to an individual person then why some > people gets nothing in life? > > CONSLUSIVELY MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE THEORY TO KNOW WHICH PLANET > IS CREATING WHAT KIND OF EFFECT IN INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE AND WHEN > CERTAINS INCIDENCE HAPPENS IN SOMEONE'S LIFE? > > If we can not come to accurate theory and astrology is just creating > more confusions in life then there is no use of such knowledge that's > what I believe. > > I have lots of example which violets well known Astrology rules. May > be my knowledge is not sufficient so that I could not resolve the > cause of problem. I want to discuss all this example (charts) with > group members so that students like me can understand the mysteries > of astrology. > > I hope I have putted my question in simple manner and I'm expecting > some knowledge from group members. I'M EXPECTING EVERYBODY'S OWN > EXPERIENCE, NOT SENTENCES/QUOTES FROM BOOKS. > > Regards > > Tushar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2003 Report Share Posted April 27, 2003 Dear Tushar, My reply follows - >>This mail is little longer but I required to write this much details to explain my confusion. I hope everybody will agree with me after reading entire mail.<< There is nothing to worry for the long mails :-) At least, I do not have any prob with them :-) >>Each person who have came in touch of astrology knows that there are 12 planets, 12 signs and 27 stars but combination of those creates such a wide verities of result so that each person is living unique life. So prediction becomes really difficult task and it is almost impossible to get 100% accuracy.<< 12 plantes? Oh... I was confused a bit... later I understood you included Neptune, Pluto and Uranus! Well I do not put them into consideration being pure 'Vedic-minded' ! :-) Yes, 100% accurate prediction is v tough. But still you can tell easily what kind of things are going to happen. Like when it is a matter of 4th house, you can easily tell something about mother or home is going to happen. This is very easy. >>(1) Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu and Ketu creates negative effects and Jupiter, Moon, Venus and Mercury creates positive effect in individual's life. This is very general rule. Normally we tend to consider Saturn and Mars responsible for any kind of negativity in our life.<< Natural benefic: Ve, Ju, Waxing moon, and Merc without conjunstion of any malefic. Merc with a natural malefic becomes natural malefic as he is kiddish, and wanning moon is also natural malefic. Ju is the greatest benefic among all in my view. Ve mostly gives enjoyment and pleasure but Ju gives actual benefic. Notice that Ju is the significator of 9th house which is the biggest benefic house, too! >>(2) Second theory is based on Lagna dependent. For specific rising sign, some are supportive planets and some are opposite. I think Parasharya's rules are mostly accepted.<< Right! :-) But still there is matters of placements and aspects etc. for which a lot of functional malefics give good in some areas of life which is completely natural and expected. >>But in reality we can see that both are incomplete rules because many time we see that some people never get anything good in their entire life and some never face any kind of major problem in life and get every kind of happiness. (problems being created due to nature and attitude of person is not considered here)<< Rules are not incomplete :-) You have to judge each horoscope by your own merit and each horoshope is unique, though they might have a lot of similarities. Trust me, there is no such way to strictly determine malefic / benefic like you are demanding. But you put a very good question which is most confusing for beginners, there was a time when I was a lot confused, too... when I read in BPHS that exalted planets give 100% good effects... but it needs a little explanation... not that all exalted planet will give only goods. Trust me, there is no hard and fast rule for this and only knowledge, experience and practice can lead you to the right answer bec for each and evry chart the answer is different. Yes there are benefic planets for all lagnas... things vary because their PLACEMENT is not all same. If benefic are exalted (like 1st, 5th, 9th lords) then the person will definitely achieve manythings and happiness in life. Any malefic exalted is good for STATUS, WEALTH, POSITION but not for MENTAL PEACE / REAL HAPPINESS. Generally, if a person has 3/4 exalted planets, (Regardless malefic / benefic) you can tell that he will enjoy power, position and riches. (This is true most of the time.) >>There is no theory where it is possible that every planets are supportive to an individual then why some people gets everything in life? and there is no theory where it is possible that every planets are giving negative effect to an individual person then why some people gets nothing in life?<< Malefic planets' tendendy is to do harm. But they have some good points, too. Like strong 8th lord brings sorrow and lonelyness but is good for spiritual knowledge and inheriting wealth. Strong 6th L also gives stress but is good for defeating enemies and living life with less diseases. Etc. You really need practice and experience for this! >>CONSLUSIVELY MY QUESTION IS WHAT IS THE THEORY TO KNOW WHICH PLANET IS CREATING WHAT KIND OF EFFECT IN INDIVIDUAL'S LIFE AND WHEN CERTAINS INCIDENCE HAPPENS IN SOMEONE'S LIFE?<< There is no one line / one page theory for this. The theory is, as much as you practice and gather experience, as much good astrologer you become! One very well known and important matter is to see where the serious malefics aspect / sit. This is called affliction. If a planet (benefic/malefic) is aspected / joined with 2/3 malefics, it will surely be very weak and poor! This is a very important matter to remember and consider. >>If we can not come to accurate theory and astrology is just creating more confusions in life then there is no use of such knowledge that's what I believe.<< I admit that astrology is sometimes confusing. But it should be confusing. Otherwise every people could tell all's future, would that be good? You need determination and sincerity to be good astrologer, because it is nothing a game! I would not like it if astrology was easier than now! :-) I am telling you, you discuss and read posts, gradually your concept will be more and more clear. A knowledge like astrology should not be easy. And it was not! For the technology, good books, discussion lists, email discussions etc are making astrology a lot easier to master than is SHOULD BE. Astrology knowledge is not for all, and the matter is, only sincerely devoted people can master it. Which is a good judgement because this knowledge should not be made easy-mastering, then it would be unfair! Astrology is the basic principle on which the world is going on, and a serious knowledge like this should be a little complicated so that only sincerely devoted people can hold this! And I wonder how come a serious knowledge like astrology (Which tells us our past karmas and their results and rules our lives) can be easier than this! >>I have lots of example which violets well known Astrology rules. May be my knowledge is not sufficient so that I could not resolve the cause of problem. I want to discuss all this example (charts) with group members so that students like me can understand the mysteries of astrology.<< Astrology is always sufficient but astrologers are not always! You can post charts with past event etc and if I have time, I will try my best to find out the reasons you could not. >>I hope I have putted my question in simple manner and I'm expecting some knowledge from group members. I'M EXPECTING EVERYBODY'S OWN EXPERIENCE, NOT SENTENCES/QUOTES FROM BOOKS.<< Good :-) Regards, Tanvir "What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine." Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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