Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 --- tushar_9 <tushar_9 wrote: Dear List Members and Experts, Once again I'm putting a query for interests of astrology-students (including me). Before 2 weeks we had discussed about benefic and malefic planets. To understand this I'm putting some charts here. These all people are from my friend circle and I know them personally. So naturally I know most of things about their life. Here in these charts Saturn is in center. Tanvir has also putted one beautiful article on Saturn recently. So co-incidentally these charts are useful for discussion about Saturn also. We all have learned that Saturn is fully benefic for Libra and Tarus other wise it is ultimately unfavorable or malefic. Now my confusion and is in all charts Saturn is placed in 7th house, but each person's marriage life is very good (above average) and they are enjoying it fully. Each person have been married in proper time and got good life partner. So why Saturn is not playing its role? Is it the rule being applied that Saturn gives good result where it is placed? or something else? (1) CS 22/07/1973 18:30 21:18:N 070:18:E (Gujrat) (India) (2) KS 21/10/1970 07:30 22:17:N 071:12:E (Gujrat) (India) (3) KD 26/10/1972 09:45 22:17:N 070:49:E (Gujrat) (India) (4) KP 29/04/1971 21:30 21:45:N 070:24:E (Gujrat) (India) (5) JD 16/07/1971 12:15 22:17:N 071:12:E (Gujrat) (India) (6) ID 21/02/1972 12:50 27:29:N 094:54:E (Assam) (India) ALL DATES ARE IN DD/MM/YYYY FORMAT Note ----- Case No. 5 is not the case of Saturn but it is interesting to know that who is protecting 7th house. I hope these case studies will be useful for every curious astrologer. Regards, Tushar DEAR TUSHAR, MYSELF JAY, I AM STUDYING ASTROLOGY, DONE SHASTRI DEGREE IN ASTROLOGY, AND IN ADDITION DOING LAW FINAL YEAR AND DOING JOB AS PERSONAL SECRETARY. FIRST TIME I AM ANSWERING YOU. THE SATURN IS VERY GOOD WHEN IT IS IN 7TH HOUSE, IT GIVES GOOD MARRIED LIFE AND ALSO ITS A LONG LIFE TO THE LIFE PARTNER. MY VIEWS ON MY STUDIES ARE THAT, SATURN AND MARS BOTH ARE VERY VERY GOOD AND MAKE THE LIFE VERY STRONG IN ALL FIELD. THE BENEFIC PLANETS, SUCH AS JUPITER IS NOT MUCH HELPFUL IN LIFE, COMPARE TO SATURN AND MARS. I HAD SATURN IN FOURTH HOUSE AND MARS IN TENTH HOUSE, SO I AM KEEPING MY LIFE BUSY WITH STUDIES, GOOD IN FAMILY, MOTHER'S LOVE AND AFFECTION AND GOOD IN PROPERTY BEING SATURN IN FOURTH HOUSE, AND MARS MADE ME GOOD IN OFFICIAL STATUS, AND ALSO SATURN HAS GIVEN ME LAW DEGREE, WHICH I AM STUDYING. SO MY VIEWS THAT SATURN GIVES GOOD EFFECTS IN SEVENTH HOUSE. MARS IS NOT GOOD IN SEVENTH HOUSE. I WILL BE HAPPY TO CONTINUE IN DISCUSSION IN FUTURE. WISH U ALL THE VERY BEST, BYE AJAY PANDAV Sponsor Help others to your best, so that the nature helps you. Terms of Service. ______________________ Missed your favourite TV serial last night? Try the new, TV. visit http://in.tv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Members, I would like to contribute to the ongoing discussion about saturn and would also like to tell something.I think that planets show their effect in different ways....Sachin Tendulkar has saturn in the seventh house with scorpio ascendant and he married a girl who is bigger than him ....so we can never say that effects are not there but yes the effects can be varied for some it could mean a delayed marriage and for others something else. I would also like to ask your opinion about transit of saturn also called sade sati....is it malefic for people with taurus and libra ascendants or the effects are less.Could a person with these ascendants wear sapphire in this transit? Thanks, Shreeya Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2003 Report Share Posted May 13, 2003 Dear Tushar, >>>>We all have learned that Saturn is fully benefic for Libra and Tarus other wise it is ultimately unfavorable or malefic.<<<< I would not like to agree here fully :-) Even for Taurus or Libra natives Saturn would be bad for some things. When a natural malefic is FB for a native, it might give status, power, wealth for for real happiness, mental peace, it will disturb in some ways if gets the chance in chart by placement. Saturn's tendency is to give people lonelyness etc and if he is strong and influences lagna or it's lord - it will make the native like lonelyness or give any other Saturnian quality. I opine this personally :-) And again, for other natives it would not be totally bad, much depends on it's placement, strength etc. Regarding Saturn in 7th house for marital happiness, there are many other things to consider in my view as I already told in another post. But no wonder that it makes the Saturn very strong because I think you already know that in west Saturn becomes powerful. Thus he will greatly influence the married life and it is possible for the native to marry in saturn's periods. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Hi, I would like to join the discussion at this point.I am learning all these things now.Please tell me following :- 1) It is said that some (X) planet is good/bad in nature but it is weak in one chart so the effects (good/bad) for X will be less. How is this measurement done ? Can this happen that a same planet X is present in same house for two different people and bec it is weak in one of them so the effect will be less. 2) What are Yoga Karaka planets / houses ? Is this dependent on the asdendant like Tauras / Libra will have Saturn as Yoga Karaka ? Or it is dependent on the house where it is present (like Trine etc) 3) Can it happen that a planet like Saturn is benefic for Tauras/Libra asdendant by nature and still for individual it gives bad effects. If yes then how much does the asdendant makes difference ? Regards Sonu Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Dear Shreeya Jee, Yes. Planets will give their results as per their both natural and functional significations and both their fixed and functional nature has to be justified. The case you mentioned of Sachin is right. Sachin has Sani in Taurus as you say, and Taurus' lord Venus is a great friend of him. More to see, if Venus is also Sani's temporary friend in the chart or not, where Venus is, in who's star Sani is etc. Then a judgement can be made. As you said, that the effect wil vary to person to person. For some, it will delay marriage, for some, it wil give older wife, for some, it will give wife from lower caste, for some, it will give wife of very conservative mind etc. This is the real test of the astrologer's skill to let him find actually what will happen. The points I mentioned above along with D-charts will help a lot here and also see if any yogas in this regards is there... Sade Sati is said to be bad for all, but yes some say that having Taurus or Libra lagna helps suffer less. Also if you are running good bhuktis and maha dashas then it protects a lot. Even then it will be felt this way or that way. You will understand depends on how sensitive you are. But if you say it has no effect, it would be a big mistake to tell so! Everything has it's effect - much or less. Depends on your sensitivity if you can figure or not. For Sade Sati some Gurus recommed blue sapphire in left hand. There are other ways I have learned and found, please refer my site for them. You have put a sensible post, thanks for this. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - shreeya garg Tuesday, May 13, 2003 8:23 PM Re: Favorable/Unfavorable and Saturn Dear Members, I would like to contribute to the ongoing discussion about saturn and would also like to tell something.I think that planets show their effect in different ways....Sachin Tendulkar has saturn in the seventh house with scorpio ascendant and he married a girl who is bigger than him ....so we can never say that effects are not there but yes the effects can be varied for some it could mean a delayed marriage and for others something else. I would also like to ask your opinion about transit of saturn also called sade sati....is it malefic for people with taurus and libra ascendants or the effects are less.Could a person with these ascendants wear sapphire in this transit? Thanks, Shreeya Help others to your best, so that the nature helps you. Your use of is subject to Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Sonu, Please see below for my opinion.. >>>1) It is said that some (X) planet is good/bad in nature but it is weak in one chart so the effects (good/bad) for X will be less.<<< Not always. Some part of it will be weak, some will be strong. Personally, to me, the best condition of a malefic planet is 1) In friendly sign and 2) Not afflicting other benefics 3) Not afflicted by malefics 6) Not in any of 9, 7, 1 houses, and preferably in 3, 11 etc houses. If these conditions are there then most of the times they do not give the benefits a malefic can give, but they can not do much harm either. So, a balanced condition :-))) >>How is this measurement done ? << There are many like Shaad balas etc. Generally we look at friendly / inimical / exalted / retro conditions. >>Can this happen that a same planet X is present in same house for two different people and bec it is weak in one of them so the effect will be less. << Not only for weakness but also for aspects on it and other 8 planets relevant positions, the effect will be else. >>2) What are Yoga Karaka planets / houses ? Is this dependent on the asdendant like Tauras / Libra will have Saturn as Yoga Karaka ? Or it is dependent on the house where it is present (like Trine etc)<< A yoga karaka planet is while it is related to both kendras and konas. Like a planet rules both kendras and konas. Like for a Taurus native, Saturn rules both 9th and 10th. Thus he is able to produce a "yoga". But if a planet rules a kona (1, 5, 9) and associates with a kendra, he will also be yoga karaka. Lord of the lagna is also a yoga karaka since the lagna is both kendra and kona, but generally it is not considered that way. Some consider simply 5 and 9 lords to be yoga karakas which I (And many) do not agree to. >>3) Can it happen that a planet like Saturn is benefic for Tauras/Libra asdendant by nature and still for individual it gives bad effects. If yes then how much does the asdendant makes difference ?<< All planets give bad and good effects to some matters. And even a malefic planet can give good in some matters! Depends on the positions of the planets rather than the ascendants. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2003 Report Share Posted May 14, 2003 Hi Tanvir, Thanxs for ur reply but I still have some doubts. First of all , I want to make my basics clear for certain things of astrology. Can you suggest me some good book or online web page where I can get basics correct. Also find my comments inline :- >>>1) It is said that some (X) planet is good/bad in nature but it is weak in one chart so the effects (good/bad) for X will be less.<<< Not always. Some part of it will be weak, some will be strong. Personally, to me, the best condition of a malefic planet is 1) In friendly sign and 2) Not afflicting other benefics 3) Not afflicted by malefics 6) Not in any of 9, 7, 1 houses, and preferably in 3, 11 etc houses. If these conditions are there then most of the times they do not give the benefits a malefic can give, but they can not do much harm either. So, a balanced condition :-))) <<SONU >> One doubt is there that :- can you list which houses are good/bad as per point 4. Is that only 9,7,1 are bad and rest are relatively good. What are dustshatana ? I read in one web page that presence of good planet in dustshatana give bad effets but presence of bad planet in dustanana makes cancels the bad effetcts of bad planets. <<SONU>> >>How is this measurement done ? << There are many like Shaad balas etc. Generally we look at friendly / inimical / exalted / retro conditions. <<SONU>> Is there some tables/rule./formula to look at this. What are shaad bala ? <<SONU>> >>Can this happen that a same planet X is present in same house for two different people and bec it is weak in one of them so the effect will be less. << Not only for weakness but also for aspects on it and other 8 planets relevant positions, the effect will be else. <<SONU>> Again,how can I find out about the aspects - some rule/tables then let me know from where can I get that. <<SONU>> >>2) What are Yoga Karaka planets / houses ? Is this dependent on the asdendant like Tauras / Libra will have Saturn as Yoga Karaka ? Or it is dependent on the house where it is present (like Trine etc)<< A yoga karaka planet is while it is related to both kendras and konas. Like a planet rules both kendras and konas. Like for a Taurus native, Saturn rules both 9th and 10th. Thus he is able to produce a "yoga". But if a planet rules a kona (1, 5, 9) and associates with a kendra, he will also be yoga karaka. Lord of the lagna is also a yoga karaka since the lagna is both kendra and kona, but generally it is not considered that way. <<SONU>> Let me tell you my understanding of kendra and kona :- Kendra i s 1,4,7,10 houses Kona is 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12 EG:- for Tauras Lagna,Staurn rules 9 and 10 house and if satrun is present in 6th house which is dustshata then it will give vipreet raja yoga bec of canceling of negative with negative ? i read that somewhere <<SONU>> Some consider simply 5 and 9 lords to be yoga karakas which I (And many) do not agree to. >>3) Can it happen that a planet like Saturn is benefic for Tauras/Libra asdendant by nature and still for individual it gives bad effects. If yes then how much does the asdendant makes difference ?<< All planets give bad and good effects to some matters. And even a malefic planet can give good in some matters! Depends on the positions of the planets rather than the ascendants. Regards -Sonu Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Hi Sonu, Please see below for my opinion.. >>>1) It is said that some (X) planet is good/bad in nature but it is weak in one chart so the effects (good/bad) for X will be less.<<< Not always. Some part of it will be weak, some will be strong. Personally, to me, the best condition of a malefic planet is 1) In friendly sign and 2) Not afflicting other benefics 3) Not afflicted by malefics 6) Not in any of 9, 7, 1 houses, and preferably in 3, 11 etc houses. If these conditions are there then most of the times they do not give the benefits a malefic can give, but they can not do much harm either. So, a balanced condition :-))) >>How is this measurement done ? << There are many like Shaad balas etc. Generally we look at friendly / inimical / exalted / retro conditions. >>Can this happen that a same planet X is present in same house for two different people and bec it is weak in one of them so the effect will be less. << Not only for weakness but also for aspects on it and other 8 planets relevant positions, the effect will be else. >>2) What are Yoga Karaka planets / houses ? Is this dependent on the asdendant like Tauras / Libra will have Saturn as Yoga Karaka ? Or it is dependent on the house where it is present (like Trine etc)<< A yoga karaka planet is while it is related to both kendras and konas. Like a planet rules both kendras and konas. Like for a Taurus native, Saturn rules both 9th and 10th. Thus he is able to produce a "yoga". But if a planet rules a kona (1, 5, 9) and associates with a kendra, he will also be yoga karaka. Lord of the lagna is also a yoga karaka since the lagna is both kendra and kona, but generally it is not considered that way. Some consider simply 5 and 9 lords to be yoga karakas which I (And many) do not agree to. >>3) Can it happen that a planet like Saturn is benefic for Tauras/Libra asdendant by nature and still for individual it gives bad effects. If yes then how much does the asdendant makes difference ?<< All planets give bad and good effects to some matters. And even a malefic planet can give good in some matters! Depends on the positions of the planets rather than the ascendants. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Help others to your best, so that the nature helps you. Your use of is subject to Catch all the cricket action. Download Score tracker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2003 Report Share Posted May 15, 2003 Hi Sonu, >>>>One doubt is there that :- can you list which houses are good/bad as per point 4. Is that only 9,7,1 are bad and rest are relatively good.<<<< 7, 9, 1 houses are considered "sensitive" by me PERSONALLY. Esp the 7th one which controls marriage etc - a malefic in that house can simply cause a legal separation with your spouse. That is why. But any malefic in a house will do some bad. >>>>What are dustshatana ? I read in one web page that presence of good planet in dustshatana give bad effets but presence of bad planet in dustanana makes cancels the bad effetcts of bad planets.<<<< Dusthanas are 6, 8, 12. They are considered bad. Benefic planet in malefic house is bad, malefic planet in malefic house is both good and bad. >>>>Is there some tables/rule./formula to look at this. What are shaad bala ?<<<< Shaadbala is an avarage kinf of strength from a list of sources. >>>>Again,how can I find out about the aspects - some rule/tables then let me know from where can I get that.<<<< Yes I will let you. >>>>Let me tell you my understanding of kendra and kona :- Kendra i s 1,4,7,10 houses Kona is 2,3,5,6,8,9,11,12<<<< No! Kona is 1, 5, 9. But mostly 5 and 9 are considered as kona and considered good, their ruler planets are also good most of the times. >>>>EG:- for Tauras Lagna,Staurn rules 9 and 10 house and if satrun is present in 6th house which is dustshata then it will give vipreet raja yoga bec of canceling of negative with negative ? i read that somewhere<<<< In that case, native prosperity and career etc will be miserable. That is not Vipreet Raja Yoga. But that will cause the 6th house matters be good. Like no enemies, or victory over enemies, less diseases etc. You are a very beginner and that is why I recommened you to read the following - (1) Astrology for Beginners By Dr. B.V. Raman (2) How To Judge A Horoscope (Vols I and II) By Dr. B.V. Raman You can also read the following from the net - Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra Saravali Also, whenever you find basic tutorials in Vedic Astrology websites, go through them. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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