STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND THOUGHT

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DEAR ALL,

 

REGARDING STATE OF PLANET IN VARIOS BHAV AS SA-SAV (BALYA OR

INFANT) , YUVA ( YOUNG) OR PRORD ( OLD ) AGES,

WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIVE IS OF NO SIGNIFICANCE

BECAUSE

A) AS ALL PLANET MOVES IN SOLAR SYSTEM IN SAME CAPCITY,

B)ALL MARKATION OF SIGN RASHIS AND BHAV ARE IMAGINARY UPTO SOME

EXTENT,

C) ALL OF ABOVE DIFFERENT SYSTEM USES DIFFENRENT STARTING AND ENDING

POINT FOR DIFF. HOUSE/RAHI

 

SO WHAT I ADVICE AND ADVOCATE THAT WE MUST FORGET THIS, OR SHOULD

PRODUCE SOME SOLID ARGUMENT , AS WE CAN SPELL OUT FOR EXCEL, DEB,

RETRO ..ETC

 

PLS ADVICE/SUGGEST AND PROVE

 

PRAY FOR PROSPERITY OF ALL,

(AA NO KRNTVA SAMRIDDTHO BHAV)

 

 

LET US ALL MOVED TOWARD PROSPERITY

REGARDS

SHRI HARSH

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsh,

 

I also think on this many time. I agree with you that

there is nothing like start or end in sky. Sign etc.

are not astronomical border. It is logical boundries

for understanding. So such issues are need to be

re-think. Because in reality it does not seems to

logical in predictions.

 

Tushar

 

--- Harsh <harshgoel2k wrote:

>

> DEAR ALL,

>

> REGARDING STATE OF PLANET IN VARIOS BHAV AS SA-SAV

> (BALYA OR

> INFANT) , YUVA ( YOUNG) OR PRORD ( OLD ) AGES,

> WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIVE IS OF NO SIGNIFICANCE

> BECAUSE

> A) AS ALL PLANET MOVES IN SOLAR SYSTEM IN SAME

> CAPCITY,

> B)ALL MARKATION OF SIGN RASHIS AND BHAV ARE

> IMAGINARY UPTO SOME

> EXTENT,

> C) ALL OF ABOVE DIFFERENT SYSTEM USES DIFFENRENT

> STARTING AND ENDING

> POINT FOR DIFF. HOUSE/RAHI

>

> SO WHAT I ADVICE AND ADVOCATE THAT WE MUST FORGET

> THIS, OR SHOULD

> PRODUCE SOME SOLID ARGUMENT , AS WE CAN SPELL OUT

> FOR EXCEL, DEB,

> RETRO ..ETC

>

> PLS ADVICE/SUGGEST AND PROVE

>

> PRAY FOR PROSPERITY OF ALL,

> (AA NO KRNTVA SAMRIDDTHO BHAV)

>

>

> LET US ALL MOVED TOWARD PROSPERITY

> REGARDS

> SHRI HARSH

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Hey Tushar, Harsh and all,

Parasara does say about 5 kinds of Avasthas (states) with each of them lasts for

6 degrees. Odd sign's first 6 degrees will be in 'baal' avastha means in

childhood. It will be weak.

 

Thus only in the mid 6 degrees the planet is in full strength.

 

Now this starts confusion and questions like if own sign+youth = better or if

exaltation + baal = better?

 

Now I think it would be wrong to totally forget them. I think it definitely has some truth.

 

Personally I do not consider them as exactly as Parasara instructed. But I have

seen that planet in first or last 2/3 degrees of a sign behave like a weak

planet. Like 0-2/3 and 27/28-30 degrees of a sign. So though I do not exactly

consider and follow how Parasara said, but for first and last 2/3 degrees I

consider them to be weak. Now do not tell me to show charts... LOL

 

But I repeat I do not follow what exactly parasara said. Only first and last 2/3

degrees, even 4th degree might have some result but it is impacted by other

facts I think.

 

The logic A) of Harsh is not clear to me.

 

Per logic B), yes they are little imaginary. But even then it works fine! Mars

in 29 degree Cancer and Sani in 4 degree cancer will still be conjunct, and it

will work. But, Mars 27 degree Gemini and Sani 2 degree Cancer will not be

conjunct though they are so close! This is the divinity of Vedic Astrology.

Westerners consider degrees for conjunction, aspects, opposition, that seems

more scientific even to me, but in work Vedic System works better I saw. Bec as

I always say that Vedic Astrology can not be analyzed through science.

 

Regarding poitn C) I am not sure again what Hari meant. What is different system

for signs? Ayanamsa? We already know and work with Lahiri and others close to

Lahiri which gives good results. And if we doubt about ayanamsa then not only

avasthas but also all the positions become useless!Regarding house system,

there are different systems but pure Vedic Astrology always uses 'Same sign -

same house' or 'whole sign - whole house'. Almost all the 'Pure' Vedic

Astrologers and Gurus who obey the rules of the sages seem to follow this same

sign same house system. Regarding this matter I would like to quote what

Narasimha Jee instructed in his JHL software -

 

Though there are some indirect references in BPHS suggesting that Parasara

supported house divisions placing houses in 2 rasis, there are quite a few

direct references making it amply clear that each house falls in one rasi.

Parasara taught us to find houses by counting rasis from the reference chosen.

Moreover, only this approach is logical as we go to divisional charts.

Parasara’s treatment does not differentiate between rasi and divisional

charts, as far as the basic techniques go.

 

So readers are advised to ignore all the discussions found in other textbooks on

house division methods, “bhaava chakra” and “chalit

chakra”. It may do good to follow the instructions in this chapter.

 

So, these are the reasons I follow this house system, and also Lahiri ayanamsa.

KP is also good and they both are so close.

 

Any discussion is welcome :-)Regards,Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir

Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

-

Harsh

 

Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:10 PM

STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND THOUGHT

DEAR ALL,REGARDING STATE OF PLANET IN VARIOS BHAV AS SA-SAV (BALYA OR INFANT) ,

YUVA ( YOUNG) OR PRORD ( OLD ) AGES, WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIVE IS OF NO

SIGNIFICANCEBECAUSEA) AS ALL PLANET MOVES IN SOLAR SYSTEM IN SAME CAPCITY,

B)ALL MARKATION OF SIGN RASHIS AND BHAV ARE IMAGINARY UPTO SOME EXTENT, C) ALL

OF ABOVE DIFFERENT SYSTEM USES DIFFENRENT STARTING AND ENDING POINT FOR DIFF.

HOUSE/RAHISO WHAT I ADVICE AND ADVOCATE THAT WE MUST FORGET THIS, OR SHOULD

PRODUCE SOME SOLID ARGUMENT , AS WE CAN SPELL OUT FOR EXCEL, DEB, RETRO

...ETCPLS ADVICE/SUGGEST AND PROVEPRAY FOR PROSPERITY OF ALL,(AA NO KRNTVA

SAMRIDDTHO BHAV)LET US ALL MOVED TOWARD PROSPERITYREGARDSSHRI

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dear tanvir and all,

 

my intension to open this discussion is to arrive at some

mathematical modelling, like i can give mathematical explanation of

retrograte, excal, and deb....

 

please if somebody can explane the same mathematically,

 

regards

shri harsh

 

 

 

 

 

, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote:

> Hey Tushar, Harsh and all,

> Parasara does say about 5 kinds of Avasthas (states) with each of

them lasts for 6 degrees. Odd sign's first 6 degrees will be

in 'baal' avastha means in childhood. It will be weak.

>

> Thus only in the mid 6 degrees the planet is in full strength.

>

> Now this starts confusion and questions like if own sign+youth =

better or if exaltation + baal = better?

>

> Now I think it would be wrong to totally forget them. I think it

definitely has some truth.

>

> Personally I do not consider them as exactly as Parasara

instructed. But I have seen that planet in first or last 2/3 degrees

of a sign behave like a weak planet. Like 0-2/3 and 27/28-30 degrees

of a sign. So though I do not exactly consider and follow how

Parasara said, but for first and last 2/3 degrees I consider them to

be weak. Now do not tell me to show charts... LOL

>

> But I repeat I do not follow what exactly parasara said. Only first

and last 2/3 degrees, even 4th degree might have some result but it

is impacted by other facts I think.

>

> The logic A) of Harsh is not clear to me.

>

> Per logic B), yes they are little imaginary. But even then it works

fine! Mars in 29 degree Cancer and Sani in 4 degree cancer will still

be conjunct, and it will work. But, Mars 27 degree Gemini and Sani 2

degree Cancer will not be conjunct though they are so close! This is

the divinity of Vedic Astrology. Westerners consider degrees for

conjunction, aspects, opposition, that seems more scientific even to

me, but in work Vedic System works better I saw. Bec as I always say

that Vedic Astrology can not be analyzed through science.

>

> Regarding poitn C) I am not sure again what Hari meant. What is

different system for signs? Ayanamsa? We already know and work with

Lahiri and others close to Lahiri which gives good results. And if we

doubt about ayanamsa then not only avasthas but also all the

positions become useless!

>

> Regarding house system, there are different systems but pure Vedic

Astrology always uses 'Same sign - same house' or 'whole sign - whole

house'. Almost all the 'Pure' Vedic Astrologers and Gurus who obey

the rules of the sages seem to follow this same sign same house

system. Regarding this matter I would like to quote what Narasimha

Jee instructed in his JHL software -

>

> Though there are some indirect references in BPHS suggesting that

Parasara supported house divisions placing houses in 2 rasis, there

are quite a few direct references making it amply clear that each

house falls in one rasi. Parasara taught us to find houses by

counting rasis from the reference chosen. Moreover, only this

approach is logical as we go to divisional charts. Parasara's

treatment does not differentiate between rasi and divisional charts,

as far as the basic techniques go.

>

> So readers are advised to ignore all the discussions found in other

textbooks on house division methods, "bhaava chakra" and "chalit

chakra". It may do good to follow the instructions in this chapter.

>

> So, these are the reasons I follow this house system, and also

Lahiri ayanamsa. KP is also good and they both are so close.

>

> Any discussion is welcome :-)

>

> Regards,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> tanvir@s...

> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

>

>

> -

> Harsh

>

> Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:10 PM

> STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND THOUGHT

>

>

>

> DEAR ALL,

>

> REGARDING STATE OF PLANET IN VARIOS BHAV AS SA-SAV (BALYA OR

> INFANT) , YUVA ( YOUNG) OR PRORD ( OLD ) AGES,

> WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIVE IS OF NO SIGNIFICANCE

> BECAUSE

> A) AS ALL PLANET MOVES IN SOLAR SYSTEM IN SAME CAPCITY,

> B)ALL MARKATION OF SIGN RASHIS AND BHAV ARE IMAGINARY UPTO SOME

> EXTENT,

> C) ALL OF ABOVE DIFFERENT SYSTEM USES DIFFENRENT STARTING AND

ENDING

> POINT FOR DIFF. HOUSE/RAHI

>

> SO WHAT I ADVICE AND ADVOCATE THAT WE MUST FORGET THIS, OR SHOULD

> PRODUCE SOME SOLID ARGUMENT , AS WE CAN SPELL OUT FOR EXCEL, DEB,

> RETRO ..ETC

>

> PLS ADVICE/SUGGEST AND PROVE

>

> PRAY FOR PROSPERITY OF ALL,

> (AA NO KRNTVA SAMRIDDTHO BHAV)

>

>

> LET US ALL MOVED TOWARD PROSPERITY

> REGARDS

> SHRI HARSH

>

>

>

> Help others to your best, so that the nature helps you.

>

> Your use of is subject to

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsh,

I do not know of any mathematical reason for a planet being exalted or

debilitated. Retro motion is, as we all know, due to viewing from earth that a

planet is moving slow or backwards. I do not know of any pure mathematical

appraoch, but it is for Earth, Merc, Saturn etc. planets are travelling keeping

the Sun as centre, we all know this. But I am very much interested to learn

mathematical approach. Please post them.

 

Best wishes,Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir

Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

 

-

Harsh

 

Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:08 PM

Re: STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND THOUGHT

dear tanvir and all,my intension to open this discussion is to arrive at some

mathematical modelling, like i can give mathematical explanation of retrograte,

excal, and deb....please if somebody can explane the same

mathematically,regardsshri harsh

[Guest guest]

Dear Harsh,

 

I'm very much curious about mathematical/scintific

explaination of retrogate, excal., deb. and other

properties. Infact I was in search of such

explaination since years. PLEASE LET ME KNOW YOUR

VIEWS/EXPLAINATIONS/IDEAS.

 

I'm very much interested,

 

Tushar

 

--- Harsh <harshgoel2k wrote:

> dear tanvir and all,

>

> my intension to open this discussion is to arrive at

> some

> mathematical modelling, like i can give mathematical

> explanation of

> retrograte, excal, and deb....

>

> please if somebody can explane the same

> mathematically,

>

> regards

> shri harsh

>

>

>

>

>

> , "Tanvir"

> <tanvir@s...> wrote:

> > Hey Tushar, Harsh and all,

> > Parasara does say about 5 kinds of Avasthas

> (states) with each of

> them lasts for 6 degrees. Odd sign's first 6 degrees

> will be

> in 'baal' avastha means in childhood. It will be

> weak.

> >

> > Thus only in the mid 6 degrees the planet is in

> full strength.

> >

> > Now this starts confusion and questions like if

> own sign+youth =

> better or if exaltation + baal = better?

> >

> > Now I think it would be wrong to totally forget

> them. I think it

> definitely has some truth.

> >

> > Personally I do not consider them as exactly as

> Parasara

> instructed. But I have seen that planet in first or

> last 2/3 degrees

> of a sign behave like a weak planet. Like 0-2/3 and

> 27/28-30 degrees

> of a sign. So though I do not exactly consider and

> follow how

> Parasara said, but for first and last 2/3 degrees I

> consider them to

> be weak. Now do not tell me to show charts... LOL

> >

> > But I repeat I do not follow what exactly parasara

> said. Only first

> and last 2/3 degrees, even 4th degree might have

> some result but it

> is impacted by other facts I think.

> >

> > The logic A) of Harsh is not clear to me.

> >

> > Per logic B), yes they are little imaginary. But

> even then it works

> fine! Mars in 29 degree Cancer and Sani in 4 degree

> cancer will still

> be conjunct, and it will work. But, Mars 27 degree

> Gemini and Sani 2

> degree Cancer will not be conjunct though they are

> so close! This is

> the divinity of Vedic Astrology. Westerners consider

> degrees for

> conjunction, aspects, opposition, that seems more

> scientific even to

> me, but in work Vedic System works better I saw. Bec

> as I always say

> that Vedic Astrology can not be analyzed through

> science.

> >

> > Regarding poitn C) I am not sure again what Hari

> meant. What is

> different system for signs? Ayanamsa? We already

> know and work with

> Lahiri and others close to Lahiri which gives good

> results. And if we

> doubt about ayanamsa then not only avasthas but also

> all the

> positions become useless!

> >

> > Regarding house system, there are different

> systems but pure Vedic

> Astrology always uses 'Same sign - same house' or

> 'whole sign - whole

> house'. Almost all the 'Pure' Vedic Astrologers and

> Gurus who obey

> the rules of the sages seem to follow this same sign

> same house

> system. Regarding this matter I would like to quote

> what Narasimha

> Jee instructed in his JHL software -

> >

> > Though there are some indirect references in BPHS

> suggesting that

> Parasara supported house divisions placing houses in

> 2 rasis, there

> are quite a few direct references making it amply

> clear that each

> house falls in one rasi. Parasara taught us to find

> houses by

> counting rasis from the reference chosen. Moreover,

> only this

> approach is logical as we go to divisional charts.

> Parasara's

> treatment does not differentiate between rasi and

> divisional charts,

> as far as the basic techniques go.

> >

> > So readers are advised to ignore all the

> discussions found in other

> textbooks on house division methods, "bhaava chakra"

> and "chalit

> chakra". It may do good to follow the instructions

> in this chapter.

> >

> > So, these are the reasons I follow this house

> system, and also

> Lahiri ayanamsa. KP is also good and they both are

> so close.

> >

> > Any discussion is welcome :-)

> >

> > Regards,

> > Tanvir

> >

> >

> >

> > What can not happen, can never happen.

> > Which is mine, is forever mine.

> >

> > Tanvir Chowdhury

> > tanvir@s...

> > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

> >

> >

> > -

> > Harsh

> >

> > Saturday, May 31, 2003 1:10 PM

> > STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND

> THOUGHT

> >

> >

> >

> > DEAR ALL,

> >

> > REGARDING STATE OF PLANET IN VARIOS BHAV AS

> SA-SAV (BALYA OR

> > INFANT) , YUVA ( YOUNG) OR PRORD ( OLD ) AGES,

> > WHAT I PERSONALLY BELIVE IS OF NO SIGNIFICANCE

> > BECAUSE

> > A) AS ALL PLANET MOVES IN SOLAR SYSTEM IN SAME

> CAPCITY,

> > B)ALL MARKATION OF SIGN RASHIS AND BHAV ARE

> IMAGINARY UPTO SOME

> > EXTENT,

> > C) ALL OF ABOVE DIFFERENT SYSTEM USES DIFFENRENT

> STARTING AND

> ENDING

> > POINT FOR DIFF. HOUSE/RAHI

> >

> > SO WHAT I ADVICE AND ADVOCATE THAT WE MUST

> FORGET THIS, OR SHOULD

> > PRODUCE SOME SOLID ARGUMENT , AS WE CAN SPELL

> OUT FOR EXCEL, DEB,

> > RETRO ..ETC

> >

> > PLS ADVICE/SUGGEST AND PROVE

> >

> > PRAY FOR PROSPERITY OF ALL,

> > (AA NO KRNTVA SAMRIDDTHO BHAV)

> >

> >

> > LET US ALL MOVED TOWARD PROSPERITY

> > REGARDS

> > SHRI HARSH

> >

> >

> >

> > Help others to your best, so that the nature

> helps you.

> >

> > Your use of is subject to

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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Om namah shivaya

 

dear list

 

the strength of a planet is called shadbala, and all the balas are

calculated mathematically.

These are the following strengths

 

a) sthana bala: comprising of ochcha bala-exaltation strength,

2. The second one is called Saptavargaja Bala,

3. Ojayyugma Bala The idea behind this concept is that a planet

gains strength because it is in an even or uneven sign or navamsa. ,

4. Kendra Bala A planet in a kendra house (1,4,7 and 10) gets 60

Shashtiamsas, a planet in the house 2,5,8 or 11 gets 30 Shashtiamsas,

a planet in the house 3,6,9 or 12 gets 15 Shashtiamsas,

5. Drekkena Bala To calculate this the planets are divided into

masculine planets (Sun, Jupiter and Mars), neutral planets (Saturn

and Mercury) and female planets (Venus and the Moon). If a male

planet is in the first drekkana (0-10 degrees) of whatever sign it

gets 15 Shashtiamsas

 

2. DIG BALA

This principle has similarities with the principle of Ocha Bala. Only

now the decisive factor is not the location of the planet in a

certain sign, but in a certain house. Each planet is powerful when it

is located in a certain direction. Dig Bala means directional

strength. The Sun and Mars are powerful in the South etc

3. KALA BALA

This has to do with the strength which a planet has because of the

time of the day. It is strength of time.

It consists of different factors:

1. Divaratri Bala According to this system the Moon, Saturn and

Mars are powerful during midnight.

2. Paksha Bala A Paksha is equal to 15 lunar days. When the Moon

is increasing it is Sukla Paksha. When the Moon is decreasing it is

Krishna Paksha .The benefics are Jupiter, Venus, Moon (from the 8th

day of the bright half of the lunar month to the 8th day of the dark

half of the lunar month) and good influenced Mercury. These

beneficial planets are powerful during Sukla Paksha. The malefics are

Sun, Mars, Saturn, badly influenced Mercury and the Moon (from the

8th day of the dark half of the lunar month to the 8th day of the

bright half of the lunar month). They are powerful during Krishna

Paksha.

3. Thribhaga Bala Sometimes in Shadbala you see things which

look a bit curious. This is an example. The day (that means the

period of daylight) is divided into three equal parts and the night

(the period without daylight) is divided into three equal parts. In

this system Jupiter is always given 60 Shastiamsas. In addition, if

someone is born during the first part of the day Mercury gets 60

Shashtiamsas. If someone is born during the second part of the day

the Sun gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the last part of the day

Saturn gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the first part of the

night the Moon is given 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the second

part of the night Venus gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the last

part of the night Mars gets 60 Shashtiamsas

4. Abda Bala The planet which is the lord of the year will get

15 Shahtiamsas. The lord of the year is the planet which belongs to

the first day of the year

5. Masa Bala The planet which is the lord of the first day of

the month in which a person is born receives 30 Shashtiamsas.

6. Vara Bala The planet which rules the day at which the person

is born receives 45 Shashtiamsas

7. Hora Bala A day is divided into 24 hours or horas. Each hora

is ruled by a planet. The first hora is ruled by the planet which

rules the day

8. Ayana Bala :The value a planet gets according to Ayana Bala

has to do with the declination it has from the equator. If a planet

has 0 declination the ayana bala is 30. For Venus, the Sun, Mars and

Jupiter the Northern declinations are added to his value and the

Southern declinations subtracted (the consequence of this is that a

planet has a low ayana bala if the planet has a Southern declination

and a high ayana bala if the planet has a Northern declination). For

Saturn and the Moon it is the other way around. For Mercury

declinations are always added. The maximum amount of Shashtiamsas to

be gained is 60. The ayana bala of the Sun is always doubled

9. Yuddha Bala This concept has to do with planets which are in

war. Therefore we only encounter Yuddha bala values if there are

planets at war in the chart.

 

4. CHESTA BALA

 

Planets which are relatively fast get a low chesta bala value. The

reasoning is that slow moving planets are able to focus their energy

more because they stay in one place. The maximum amount of

Shashtiamsas to be earned is 60.

 

5. NAISARGIKA BALA

Each planet gets a certain amount of Shashtiamsas according to the

luminosity it has. Because the Sun is the brightest planet it is

given 60 Shashtiamsas. Saturn is the faintest and gets 8.57

Shashtiamsas. This means that the amount of Shashtiamsas a planet

receives according to Naisargika Bala is in every chart the same.

6. DRIK BALA

Drik Bala is called aspect strength. If a planet is aspected by

benefics the planet receives a positive Shashtiamsa value. If a

planet is aspected by malefics than it gets negative Drik Bala

points. See paragraph 3.2 for which planets are considered benefics

and malefics.

7. TOTAL SHADBALA

Finally, the Shashtiamsas are added up. We get the Shadbala value in

Shashtiamsas. Next they are divided by 60. Then we get the Shadbala

values in Rupas.

 

regards

partha

om tat sat

 

 

 

 

 

, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote:

> Dear Harsh,

> I do not know of any mathematical reason for a planet being exalted

or debilitated. Retro motion is, as we all know, due to viewing from

earth that a planet is moving slow or backwards. I do not know of any

pure mathematical appraoch, but it is for Earth, Merc, Saturn etc.

planets are travelling keeping the Sun as centre, we all know this.

But I am very much interested to learn mathematical approach. Please

post them.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> tanvir@s...

> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

>

>

>

> -

> Harsh

>

> Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:08 PM

> Re: STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND THOUGHT

>

>

> dear tanvir and all,

>

> my intension to open this discussion is to arrive at some

> mathematical modelling, like i can give mathematical explanation

of

> retrograte, excal, and deb....

>

> please if somebody can explane the same mathematically,

>

> regards

> shri harsh

[Guest guest]

Dear Partha Jee,

Welcome! I am sure that your kind contribution would be greatly benefical to the list! :-)

 

For all, Partha Jee is a Guru in SJC, he devots a lot of his free time to

students and lists. Generally Gurus are very busy but Partha Jee puts it

important to take out some of his times to teach this Sastra through

discussion.Regards,Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine.

 

Tanvir

Chowdhurytanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) comhttp://www.geocities.com/king_tanvirhttp://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

 

-

V.Partha sarathy

 

Saturday, May 31, 2003 3:32 PM

Re: STATE OF PLANET - NEED A SECOND THOUGHT

Om namah shivayadear listthe strength of a planet is called shadbala, and all

the balas are calculated mathematically.These are the following strengthsa)

sthana bala: comprising of ochcha bala-exaltation strength, 2. The second one

is called Saptavargaja Bala, 3. Ojayyugma Bala The idea behind this concept is

that a planet gains strength because it is in an even or uneven sign or

navamsa. , 4. Kendra Bala A planet in a kendra house (1,4,7 and 10) gets 60

Shashtiamsas, a planet in the house 2,5,8 or 11 gets 30 Shashtiamsas, a planet

in the house 3,6,9 or 12 gets 15 Shashtiamsas, 5. Drekkena Bala To calculate

this the planets are divided into masculine planets (Sun, Jupiter and Mars),

neutral planets (Saturn and Mercury) and female planets (Venus and the Moon).

If a male planet is in the first drekkana (0-10 degrees) of whatever sign it

gets 15 Shashtiamsas2. DIG BALAThis principle has similarities with the

principle of Ocha Bala. Only now the decisive factor is not the location of the

planet in a certain sign, but in a certain house. Each planet is powerful when

it is located in a certain direction. Dig Bala means directional strength. The

Sun and Mars are powerful in the South etc3. KALA BALAThis has to do with the

strength which a planet has because of the time of the day. It is strength of

time. It consists of different factors:1. Divaratri Bala According to this

system the Moon, Saturn and Mars are powerful during midnight.2. Paksha Bala A

Paksha is equal to 15 lunar days. When the Moon is increasing it is Sukla

Paksha. When the Moon is decreasing it is Krishna Paksha .The benefics are

Jupiter, Venus, Moon (from the 8th day of the bright half of the lunar month to

the 8th day of the dark half of the lunar month) and good influenced Mercury.

These beneficial planets are powerful during Sukla Paksha. The malefics are

Sun, Mars, Saturn, badly influenced Mercury and the Moon (from the 8th day of

the dark half of the lunar month to the 8th day of the bright half of the lunar

month). They are powerful during Krishna Paksha. 3. Thribhaga Bala Sometimes in

Shadbala you see things which look a bit curious. This is an example. The day

(that means the period of daylight) is divided into three equal parts and the

night (the period without daylight) is divided into three equal parts. In this

system Jupiter is always given 60 Shastiamsas. In addition, if someone is born

during the first part of the day Mercury gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If someone is

born during the second part of the day the Sun gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If born

during the last part of the day Saturn gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the

first part of the night the Moon is given 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the

second part of the night Venus gets 60 Shashtiamsas. If born during the last

part of the night Mars gets 60 Shashtiamsas4. Abda Bala The planet which is the

lord of the year will get 15 Shahtiamsas. The lord of the year is the planet

which belongs to the first day of the year5. Masa Bala The planet which is the

lord of the first day of the month in which a person is born receives 30

Shashtiamsas. 6. Vara Bala The planet which rules the day at which the person

is born receives 45 Shashtiamsas7. Hora Bala A day is divided into 24 hours or

horas. Each hora is ruled by a planet. The first hora is ruled by the planet

which rules the day8. Ayana Bala :The value a planet gets according to Ayana

Bala has to do with the declination it has from the equator. If a planet has 0

declination the ayana bala is 30. For Venus, the Sun, Mars and Jupiter the

Northern declinations are added to his value and the Southern declinations

subtracted (the consequence of this is that a planet has a low ayana bala if

the planet has a Southern declination and a high ayana bala if the planet has a

Northern declination). For Saturn and the Moon it is the other way around. For

Mercury declinations are always added. The maximum amount of Shashtiamsas to be

gained is 60. The ayana bala of the Sun is always doubled9. Yuddha Bala This

concept has to do with planets which are in war. Therefore we only encounter

Yuddha bala values if there are planets at war in the chart. 4. CHESTA

BALAPlanets which are relatively fast get a low chesta bala value. The

reasoning is that slow moving planets are able to focus their energy more

because they stay in one place. The maximum amount of Shashtiamsas to be earned

is 60. 5. NAISARGIKA BALAEach planet gets a certain amount of Shashtiamsas

according to the luminosity it has. Because the Sun is the brightest planet it

is given 60 Shashtiamsas. Saturn is the faintest and gets 8.57 Shashtiamsas.

This means that the amount of Shashtiamsas a planet receives according to

Naisargika Bala is in every chart the same. 6. DRIK BALADrik Bala is called

aspect strength. If a planet is aspected by benefics the planet receives a

positive Shashtiamsa value. If a planet is aspected by malefics than it gets

negative Drik Bala points. See paragraph 3.2 for which planets are considered

benefics and malefics.7. TOTAL SHADBALAFinally, the Shashtiamsas are added up.

We get the Shadbala value in Shashtiamsas. Next they are divided by 60. Then we

get the Shadbala values in Rupas.regardsparthaom tat sat--- In

, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote:> Dear Harsh,> I

do not know of any mathematical reason for a planet being exalted or

debilitated. Retro motion is, as we all know, due to viewing from earth that a

planet is moving slow or backwards. I do not know of any pure mathematical

appraoch, but it is for Earth, Merc, Saturn etc. planets are travelling keeping

the Sun as centre, we all know this. But I am very much interested to learn

mathematical approach. Please post them.> > Best wishes,> Tanvir> > > > What

can not happen, can never happen.> Which is mine, is forever mine.> > Tanvir

Chowdhury> tanvir@s...> http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir>

http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro>

> > > ----- Original Message

----- > Harsh > > Sent:

Saturday, May 31, 2003 2:08 PM> Re: STATE OF PLANET - NEED A

SECOND THOUGHT> > > dear tanvir and all,> > my intension to open this

discussion is to arrive at some > mathematical modelling, like i can give

mathematical explanation of > retrograte, excal, and deb....> > please if

somebody can explane the same mathematically,> > regards> shri

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