Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Dear Tanvir, Excellent post on difference between 7L/7H and Venus. Cheers - Sateesh. - "Tanvir" <tanvir "Jyotish Remedies" <> Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:25 PM Married life, 7th lord and Venus : Dear all, : : This I am writing on a little hurry for short time, so please perdon any small errors and mistakes. : : We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, 7H and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve and 7L influence the marital life same way? Common sense says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. : : Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right kind of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, enjoying love (Even of parents) are general enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. : : If we accept this pronciple then the role of Venus VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. : : 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the marital life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve mainly shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship enjoyment) and thus also show marital happiness. If there are fights between them, both enjoyment and marital happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily rules the enjoyment. : : Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will have a good spouse, better understanding, less fights... but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be devoid of enjoyment in married life. Like dating, passing time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, etc. "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But for good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding and less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give fights to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say on this. : : This is my understanding till now. : : A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a conservative spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse or bad age difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. But A saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living away from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve rules enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay separated, and reduces marital / love enjoyment this way. Because when you are away from your spouse, you can not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, romance etc. etc. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 19/08/2003 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Thanks :-) What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Sateesh Batas Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:20 PM Re: Married life, 7th lord and Venus Dear Tanvir, Excellent post on difference between 7L/7H and Venus. Cheers - Sateesh. - "Tanvir" <tanvir "Jyotish Remedies" <> Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:25 PM Married life, 7th lord and Venus : Dear all, : : This I am writing on a little hurry for short time, so please perdon any small errors and mistakes. : : We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, 7H and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve and 7L influence the marital life same way? Common sense says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. : : Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right kind of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, enjoying love (Even of parents) are general enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. : : If we accept this pronciple then the role of Venus VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. : : 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the marital life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve mainly shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship enjoyment) and thus also show marital happiness. If there are fights between them, both enjoyment and marital happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily rules the enjoyment. : : Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will have a good spouse, better understanding, less fights... but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be devoid of enjoyment in married life. Like dating, passing time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, etc. "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But for good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding and less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give fights to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say on this. : : This is my understanding till now. : : A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a conservative spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse or bad age difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. But A saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living away from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve rules enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay separated, and reduces marital / love enjoyment this way. Because when you are away from your spouse, you can not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, romance etc. etc. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release 19/08/2003 ~! THE WORLD IS TOUGH, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Dear Tanvir, When judging horoscopes, there is one very important thing you should keep in mind and that is this: the horoscopes of your clients at specific times are outside mirrors of inner problems active in yourself! Your own natal Saturn aspects your natal Venus, and transit Saturn is opposite your natal Venus right now, activating this subject! Something like that can bring a flood of horoscopes with that kind of problem in an enlarged way on to you. You should be aware of this psychological process! This will influence your objectivity for a period of time. Venus/Saturn is not always so bad it causes seperation. I have gone through my pack of horoscopes and found 4 charts with Venus/Saturn, some in very close conjunction (1°) in my group of friends, so I know them very well. One male is single, relations being too painful for him. Three females are happy married with children, and have never ever been away from husband. Look in the mirror and try to find what these horoscopes are trying to tell you and try to deal with the pain that emerges from them. best wishes, Clara - Tanvir Jyotish Remedies Wednesday, August 20, 2003 2:25 PM Married life, 7th lord and Venus Dear all, This I am writing on a little hurry for short time, so please perdon any small errors and mistakes. We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, 7H and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve and 7L influence the marital life same way? Common sense says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right kind of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, enjoying love (Even of parents) are general enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. If we accept this pronciple then the role of Venus VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the marital life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve mainly shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship enjoyment) and thus also show marital happiness. If there are fights between them, both enjoyment and marital happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily rules the enjoyment. Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will have a good spouse, better understanding, less fights... but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be devoid of enjoyment in married life. Like dating, passing time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, etc. "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But for good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding and less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give fights to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say on this. This is my understanding till now. A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a conservative spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse or bad age difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. But A saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living away from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve rules enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay separated, and reduces marital / love enjoyment this way. Because when you are away from your spouse, you can not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, romance etc. etc. I am getting tired to see how Sat conjuncting Ve can make the lover / spouse stay away. Very painful to see and a lot more painful to experience. I have seen a female native's chart with Ve+Sa in 4th house. Ve is dtrong in 4th but again it's hit by Sat. She was married in Jan 2000, with a guy works in USA (She is in Bangladesh). She visited USA, and sometimes he visited her in Bangladesh, but with very difficulty and for short time... and most of the times they were separated till now. Around a month ago at last she could go there permanently (aparently) bec I think she is runnning 9L bhukti. When she will end this bhukti, she should be separated again - though this is not seen from current situation. Notice that her Ve is a lot stronger that Sat that is why she is having "better kind of" separation. Still, till today, most of times they had to live separatedly. Sa is a planet is separation and suppression, it joins Ve (emotion, love) makes the person unable to show/express love for the spouse. He/she might not be able to propose someone, though dying inside for the person. He/she might not be tell her desire, or show her love, and suffer inside for this. This is true in the native's case. She ran Sa bhukti when she was 16 and she loved someone so much but couldnt even tell anyone and passed a really painful time for that. With her husband, I am sure she suffers from suppression of emotion. Since previous sat bhukti was painful as it was supposed to be, her next sat bhukti will also be painful as well. This is absolutely terrfying for her to hear that it will be a lot more painful bec it will be Sa-Sa (Sa bhukti in Sa MD). So Sa effect will be felt a lot more stronger. It wil start from 2007 I guess, I told her it might even break her marriage, or if the marriage survives some way, she will have to pay a lot, a lot for it. The second chart I have seen, she has an own house Ve in 10th house joining and exalted Saturn. Ve thought in own sign, is weak in direction in 10th, and Sa on the other hand is exalted. So Sat is a lot more powerful than Ve and hit Ve very badly. Her 7L Mo fallen in D9 fails to protect marital happiness. She is not married yet but her relationship was extremely painful, she went to foreign right a few months after the relationship started, that is why she couldn't even see the boy for next 3.5 years, including almost no kind of communication throughout the first year. They truely loved each other, that is why they both suffered. Even before going to foreign, being in the same city she could not see her lover for 5 months. I have told her that you do not have enjoying family life with husband in your store. Notice that the first native has Ve+Sa in 4th house so she suffers for being in homeland (4H) and the second native has this in 10th house so she suffers for being in foreign (10th). Now if the conjunction is found in other houses, what will it mean, which way will it materialize? I think, it might be as per the movable / fixed nature of the sign containing this yoga. Like if this is found in a fixed sign, the native will stay own place while his/her spouse will move away etc. Experimenting with charts will reveal the right answer in this subject, surely. For the 2nd chart, the result will exactly repeat in her married life or the next relationship she will be involved in. Within a short time of starting any relationship / getting married, she will be separated from her husband/lover and live a separated life most dramatically and in an unbelievable way. Her Moon (7L) periods were better in this regard. The 3rd case I have "heard" that the native has a conjunction of Ve and Sa. I just heard about this fact, with no else information about the birth data / position of other planet or knowing the asc or anything else. Only depending upon the conjunction of Ve+Sa, I asked her if she had to stay away from husband for a long time. Amazingly, it was very much correct. It was surprising how could I guess it correcly only based on this conjunction, with no other info about the chart. But it all depends on the fact of understanding the basic nature between Sa and Ve. So it explains the fact what is the functional difference between Ve and 7L in the matter of marital life and relationships. The fact that Ve+Sa conjunction doesnt allow the native to express his/her feelings/emotions is true even in the 2nd native's case. It might be interesting to see a chart with this yoga who does not stay away from spouse for long. Good MD, AD and strong 7L, 9L, and comperatively weak Sa than Ve is good to encounter this problem. This has been always a favourite topic of my personal experiments. Right now I am looking for indications where the female remains faithful to/love her spouse/lover even after a lot of misbehaviour from him. In simple words I am interested to find out which facts in the chart makes a woman/girl too much sincere and faithful in love matters where she can sacrifice and compromise a lot for her love and spouse and never leaves the hus/lover even after misbehaviour from him, and continues loving him and being faithful to him. I have a few charts on this where I know the natives well but will have to figure out the facts behind this. Unfortunately I do not have much time on this, learned members might put up some possible ideas which facts might make it happen. After I find something meaningful I shall write on it. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Sponsor ~! THE WORLD IS TOUGH, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2003 Report Share Posted August 20, 2003 Good evening! I dont keep track of TR, but yes I think TR Sa opposing NT Ve right now made me write on this may be :-) The first two charts I talked about, I last opened / saw them around 2/3 months ago. The 3rd chart I talked about, I saw it around 15 days ago. She sent me her birth details but I never had time to cast a chart or anything. I did not even open the first two charts in recent 2 months I guess. I was not able to write in the list so this afternoon I sat and wrote it. But the concept was in my mind from long ago. When I look at the PDs / ADs of the 2nd native, the role of Sat becomes clear. Her relationship started in Ju AD, which aspects both her 7H+7L and disposits her 7L, and then she this way or that way had communication with her lover. But as soon as she entered Sat AD, they were separated and soon in her MERC PD of Sa AD, she flied off for USA. (Merc is in 12th house.) The 1st native told me how painful was her SA AD last time. I know after her current 9L bhukti is over, something bad will happen again :-( Can you please put the 3 charts here, if you have any problem you can send me in private and I will manage some time to look at them, they seem very interesting. Well that is, if you have no problems :-) Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Clara Wednesday, August 20, 2003 9:40 PM Re: Married life, 7th lord and Venus Dear Tanvir, When judging horoscopes, there is one very important thing you should keep in mind and that is this: the horoscopes of your clients at specific times are outside mirrors of inner problems active in yourself! Your own natal Saturn aspects your natal Venus, and transit Saturn is opposite your natal Venus right now, activating this subject! Something like that can bring a flood of horoscopes with that kind of problem in an enlarged way on to you. You should be aware of this psychological process! This will influence your objectivity for a period of time. Venus/Saturn is not always so bad it causes seperation. I have gone through my pack of horoscopes and found 4 charts with Venus/Saturn, some in very close conjunction (1°) in my group of friends, so I know them very well. One male is single, relations being too painful for him. Three females are happy married with children, and have never ever been away from husband. Look in the mirror and try to find what these horoscopes are trying to tell you and try to deal with the pain that emerges from them. best wishes, Clara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2003 Report Share Posted August 21, 2003 ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ Dear Tanvir, Wow it was really a very clear distinction between 7L, 7H and venuse. I have Venus with sun in 9th house and my 7th Lord is Saturn placed in first house, so Graha Drishti on 7th House, 10th house. Currently Sat / ket / Jup dasha is going on and I had problems in my relationship for last 2 years (still not sorted out) - a separation and loneliness is there. >From 16th Dec, 2003 Sat-Venus will start and I hope things will improve on from that point. If you manage to get sometime, please have a look at my chart and I would love to read your valuable comments/predictions. d.o.b - 14th april, 1978 time: 15:33 PM Place: New Delhi, India Kind regards Neeraj --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Thanks :-) > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > > - > Sateesh Batas > > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 8:20 PM > Re: Married life, 7th lord and Venus > > > Dear Tanvir, > > Excellent post on difference between 7L/7H and > Venus. > > Cheers - Sateesh. > > - > "Tanvir" <tanvir > "Jyotish Remedies" > <> > Wednesday, August 20, 2003 1:25 PM > Married life, 7th lord and Venus > > > : Dear all, > : > : This I am writing on a little hurry for short > time, so please perdon any small errors and > mistakes. > : > : We all know that to see marital prospectus, 7L, > 7H and Venus should have to be seen. But will a Ve > and 7L influence the marital life same way? Common > sense says, 'No'. But how? I was wondering about it. > : > : Ve is the planet of enjoyment, be it a right > kind of, or wrong kind of. Even listening to music, > enjoying love (Even of parents) are general > enjoyments, and Ve has a say on all these. A strong > and unafflicted Venus helps make life happy. Well, > not really "Happy" but it makes life "Enjoyable". > (Opposite of getting bored, being lonely etc.) Ve > makes life full of fun, enjoyment, romance etc. > : > : If we accept this pronciple then the role of > Venus VS 7L becomes easy to differenciate. > : > : 7L/7H shows the spouse, his/her nature, the > marital life, happiness etc. On the other hand, Ve > mainly shows enjoyment (Esp marital/relationship > enjoyment) and thus also show marital happiness. If > there are fights between them, both enjoyment and > marital happiness reduces, but still, Ve primerily > rules the enjoyment. > : > : Like, a person with unafflicted 7H + 7L will > have a good spouse, better understanding, less > fights... but if his Ve is ill placed, he will be > devoid of enjoyment in married life. Like dating, > passing time, having a lot of fun, going to cinema, > etc. "enjoyment" with lover/spouse will be less. But > for good 7L + 7H, he will have better understanding > and less quarel etc. Well afflicted Ve will give > fights to some degree, but 7L and 7H has more to say > on this. > : > : This is my understanding till now. > : > : A saturn in 7H / with 7L might give a > conservative spouse, delayed marriage, sick spouse > or bad age difference (Or wife older than hus) etc. > But A saturn with Ve will give 'Being away' / living > away from spouse/lover most of the times. Bec Ve > rules enjoyment, Sat hits it and make them stay > separated, and reduces marital / love enjoyment this > way. Because when you are away from your spouse, you > can not 'Enjoy' marital life. Like passing time, > romance etc. etc. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.512 / Virus Database: 309 - Release > 19/08/2003 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ~! THE WORLD IS TOUGH, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ > > Your use of is subject to > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ===== http://www.geocities.com/master_minds_india/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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