Guest guest Posted September 19, 2003 Report Share Posted September 19, 2003 Ops... you are right! I was thinking how could I make such a mistake... I see that in my notebook, the correct one is written. But I did not see it last time since most of your chart is in my mind, and I was thinking that Rahu is in Pisces (that is correct) and I was thinking that it is somewhere around mid so I was thinking it was the #26 star :-( I would read and reply your mail later, now I have to really leave. Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Clara Saturday, September 20, 2003 2:00 AM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Tanvir, Rahu is in Mercury's star, not in Saturn's. Star dispositorship is very subtle matter, I can see it work from my own chart, but I need lot more time to see how it works in other charts. As for Rahu, Rahu is sign aspecting Jupiter, who is significator for children, and Jupiter is sign aspecting Rahu. Can it work this way? Moon ADs are the worst. Ketu ADs give separation. debilitated Mars ADs can give healthproblems. Further more, I am always living from one problem with children to the next problem with children. I cannot pin it down to specific planets, but it seems to show debilitated Venus as the champion for giving problems with children. Now why should that be so? Venus is in 1st house, not aspecting 5H or 5L Debts: I never had any debts in my whole life for myself, only 2 times had debt from children, but it did not bring me into financial problems. It was in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. You say 6H is debt. 6H from 5H is 10H, ruled by Mercury???? Does that make sense? regards, Clara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 I noticed I also made a mistake..... Venus and Jupiter (karaka for children) are sign aspecting each other, so there is a connection between children and Venus. regards, Clara - Tanvir Saturday, September 20, 2003 6:15 AM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Ops... you are right! I was thinking how could I make such a mistake... I see that in my notebook, the correct one is written. But I did not see it last time since most of your chart is in my mind, and I was thinking that Rahu is in Pisces (that is correct) and I was thinking that it is somewhere around mid so I was thinking it was the #26 star :-( I would read and reply your mail later, now I have to really leave. Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Clara Saturday, September 20, 2003 2:00 AM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Tanvir, Rahu is in Mercury's star, not in Saturn's. Star dispositorship is very subtle matter, I can see it work from my own chart, but I need lot more time to see how it works in other charts. As for Rahu, Rahu is sign aspecting Jupiter, who is significator for children, and Jupiter is sign aspecting Rahu. Can it work this way? Moon ADs are the worst. Ketu ADs give separation. debilitated Mars ADs can give healthproblems. Further more, I am always living from one problem with children to the next problem with children. I cannot pin it down to specific planets, but it seems to show debilitated Venus as the champion for giving problems with children. Now why should that be so? Venus is in 1st house, not aspecting 5H or 5L Debts: I never had any debts in my whole life for myself, only 2 times had debt from children, but it did not bring me into financial problems. It was in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. You say 6H is debt. 6H from 5H is 10H, ruled by Mercury???? Does that make sense? regards, Clara Sponsor ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2003 Report Share Posted September 20, 2003 respected tanvir ji, could you please analyse my horoscope . my details are as follows place of birth Delhi dob 05th march 1969 time 00:10 ( 10 minpast midnight) i have requested chart reading to mr msgfromhell previously and has got no reply so far kind regards Manish kumar Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Ops... you are right! I was thinking how could I make such a mistake... I see that in my notebook, the correct one is written. But I did not see it last time since most of your chart is in my mind, and I was thinking that Rahu is in Pisces (that is correct) and I was thinking that it is somewhere around mid so I was thinking it was the #26 star :-( I would read and reply your mail later, now I have to really leave. Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Clara Saturday, September 20, 2003 2:00 AM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Tanvir, Rahu is in Mercury's star, not in Saturn's. Star dispositorship is very subtle matter, I can see it work from my own chart, but I need lot more time to see how it works in other charts. As for Rahu, Rahu is sign aspecting Jupiter, who is significator for children, and Jupiter is sign aspecting Rahu. Can it work this way? Moon ADs are the worst. Ketu ADs give separation. debilitated Mars ADs can give healthproblems. Further more, I am always living from one problem with children to the next problem with children. I cannot pin it down to specific planets, but it seems to show debilitated Venus as the champion for giving problems with children. Now why should that be so? Venus is in 1st house, not aspecting 5H or 5L Debts: I never had any debts in my whole life for myself, only 2 times had debt from children, but it did not bring me into financial problems. It was in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. You say 6H is debt. 6H from 5H is 10H, ruled by Mercury???? Does that make sense? regards, Clara ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Your use of is subject to India Matrimony: Find your partner online.Post your profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Hello, As for Rahu, Rahu is sign aspecting Jupiter, who is significator for children, and Jupiter is sign aspecting Rahu. Can it work this way? >>> Rahu aspecting Ju can give them arrogant / disobedient nature. Howvere 5th lord is more significant than Ju here. Particular significants in general are more imp than natural significants. Though Rahu aspects Ju but rahu is not related to 6th that makes me wonder :-( :-O Moon ADs are the worst. >>> Of course, Moon ill placed in 5H. Ketu ADs give separation. >>> Nature of Ke. However Ketu in asc with asc lord and also with 9L gives separation from loved ones and not only from children. Further more, I am always living from one problem with children to the next problem with children. I cannot pin it down to specific planets, but it seems to show debilitated Venus as the champion for giving problems with children. Now why should that be so? Venus is in 1st house, not aspecting 5H or 5L >>> 9L debilitated always cause fall of luck, unexpected troubles etc. Your Ve aspects (sing aspect) karaka Ju, remember. On the other hand 5L in 12H with 12L means expenditure due to children. Debts: I never had any debts in my whole life for myself, only 2 times had debt from children, but it did not bring me into financial problems. It was in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. You say 6H is debt. 6H from 5H is 10H, ruled by Mercury???? Does that make sense? >>>10th="children's debt" = ok. but it shouldnt apply like this since it is affecting your life thus childrens debts are becoming your own debts since you are paying them = being imposed up on you. However Merc has a role since it was Ju-Me-Me, and another Ju-Ra-Ra, rahu being Mercury's star. So Merc has a definite role. Thus 6th from 5th seems to be okay but it shouldnt do so, Merc is your asc lord and in own sign, how come it give problem by only this? May be, I am not sure. But your 6th house must do something here, or being afflicted by any planet related to 5th etc. Another thing is that, 5th lord and 6th lord for virgos is the same planet - Sat. So who is 5L (kids) is the 6L (debts). and he (Sat) is heavily joined with expenditure here (12L,12H) and aspecting 6H. Anyway he should protect the 6H as own house but may be for sun's strong influence? Merc is in the star of Moon, who is very weak in 5th house. Still a bit confused... the reason isnt clear. Regards Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2003 Report Share Posted September 21, 2003 Just what I think now. It is really NOT "Debt for children". Because it is not that you are borrowing money for expenditure after your children. Say you are borrowing money for paying school fees of your children or paying anything of your children. So it is not "Debt for children". Because it is not becoming YOUR DEBT, it is SIMPLY, "YOUR EXPENDITURE" and this expenditure is after children, so it is 5L in12H with 12L, explained easily. It is really not YOUR DEBT or YOU GOT DEBTS FOR KIDS - not at all ! So your 6th house really does not come, since it is only an expenditure to you, but it does not get YOU into a debt. It is only an expenditure. I think I am right here, it was too bothering for me not to find the reason of "debt for children" but right now I figured it out that "debt for children" is not the fact. You are never into debt but paying the children for their debts, thus its a mere expenditure to you on account of children. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Tanvir Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:56 PM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Hello, As for Rahu, Rahu is sign aspecting Jupiter, who is significator for children, and Jupiter is sign aspecting Rahu. Can it work this way? >>> Rahu aspecting Ju can give them arrogant / disobedient nature. Howvere 5th lord is more significant than Ju here. Particular significants in general are more imp than natural significants. Though Rahu aspects Ju but rahu is not related to 6th that makes me wonder :-( :-O Moon ADs are the worst. >>> Of course, Moon ill placed in 5H. Ketu ADs give separation. >>> Nature of Ke. However Ketu in asc with asc lord and also with 9L gives separation from loved ones and not only from children. Further more, I am always living from one problem with children to the next problem with children. I cannot pin it down to specific planets, but it seems to show debilitated Venus as the champion for giving problems with children. Now why should that be so? Venus is in 1st house, not aspecting 5H or 5L >>> 9L debilitated always cause fall of luck, unexpected troubles etc. Your Ve aspects (sing aspect) karaka Ju, remember. On the other hand 5L in 12H with 12L means expenditure due to children. Debts: I never had any debts in my whole life for myself, only 2 times had debt from children, but it did not bring me into financial problems. It was in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. You say 6H is debt. 6H from 5H is 10H, ruled by Mercury???? Does that make sense? >>>10th="children's debt" = ok. but it shouldnt apply like this since it is affecting your life thus childrens debts are becoming your own debts since you are paying them = being imposed up on you. However Merc has a role since it was Ju-Me-Me, and another Ju-Ra-Ra, rahu being Mercury's star. So Merc has a definite role. Thus 6th from 5th seems to be okay but it shouldnt do so, Merc is your asc lord and in own sign, how come it give problem by only this? May be, I am not sure. But your 6th house must do something here, or being afflicted by any planet related to 5th etc. Another thing is that, 5th lord and 6th lord for virgos is the same planet - Sat. So who is 5L (kids) is the 6L (debts). and he (Sat) is heavily joined with expenditure here (12L,12H) and aspecting 6H. Anyway he should protect the 6H as own house but may be for sun's strong influence? Merc is in the star of Moon, who is very weak in 5th house. Still a bit confused... the reason isnt clear. Regards Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Your use of is subject to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2003 Report Share Posted September 22, 2003 I think you are right that it is expenditure for me, it is a better point of view, 5L in 12H causing expenditure for kids. But it does not make it clear to me why this comes in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. Jupiter is aspecting 12H, 12L and 5L, but Jupiter is Mahadasa, so somehow Mercury and Rahu should be responsible for this, so can the sign aspect of Rahu and Mercury on Jupiter do this? Is that enough? regards, Clara - Tanvir Sunday, September 21, 2003 9:31 PM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Just what I think now. It is really NOT "Debt for children". Because it is not that you are borrowing money for expenditure after your children. Say you are borrowing money for paying school fees of your children or paying anything of your children. So it is not "Debt for children". Because it is not becoming YOUR DEBT, it is SIMPLY, "YOUR EXPENDITURE" and this expenditure is after children, so it is 5L in12H with 12L, explained easily. It is really not YOUR DEBT or YOU GOT DEBTS FOR KIDS - not at all ! So your 6th house really does not come, since it is only an expenditure to you, but it does not get YOU into a debt. It is only an expenditure. I think I am right here, it was too bothering for me not to find the reason of "debt for children" but right now I figured it out that "debt for children" is not the fact. You are never into debt but paying the children for their debts, thus its a mere expenditure to you on account of children. Regards, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Tanvir Sunday, September 21, 2003 11:56 PM Re: Chart of Mr. Neeraj Gupta Hello, As for Rahu, Rahu is sign aspecting Jupiter, who is significator for children, and Jupiter is sign aspecting Rahu. Can it work this way? >>> Rahu aspecting Ju can give them arrogant / disobedient nature. Howvere 5th lord is more significant than Ju here. Particular significants in general are more imp than natural significants. Though Rahu aspects Ju but rahu is not related to 6th that makes me wonder :-( :-O Moon ADs are the worst. >>> Of course, Moon ill placed in 5H. Ketu ADs give separation. >>> Nature of Ke. However Ketu in asc with asc lord and also with 9L gives separation from loved ones and not only from children. Further more, I am always living from one problem with children to the next problem with children. I cannot pin it down to specific planets, but it seems to show debilitated Venus as the champion for giving problems with children. Now why should that be so? Venus is in 1st house, not aspecting 5H or 5L >>> 9L debilitated always cause fall of luck, unexpected troubles etc. Your Ve aspects (sing aspect) karaka Ju, remember. On the other hand 5L in 12H with 12L means expenditure due to children. Debts: I never had any debts in my whole life for myself, only 2 times had debt from children, but it did not bring me into financial problems. It was in Ju-Me-Me and in Ju-Ra-Ra. You say 6H is debt. 6H from 5H is 10H, ruled by Mercury???? Does that make sense? >>>10th="children's debt" = ok. but it shouldnt apply like this since it is affecting your life thus childrens debts are becoming your own debts since you are paying them = being imposed up on you. However Merc has a role since it was Ju-Me-Me, and another Ju-Ra-Ra, rahu being Mercury's star. So Merc has a definite role. Thus 6th from 5th seems to be okay but it shouldnt do so, Merc is your asc lord and in own sign, how come it give problem by only this? May be, I am not sure. But your 6th house must do something here, or being afflicted by any planet related to 5th etc. Another thing is that, 5th lord and 6th lord for virgos is the same planet - Sat. So who is 5L (kids) is the 6L (debts). and he (Sat) is heavily joined with expenditure here (12L,12H) and aspecting 6H. Anyway he should protect the 6H as own house but may be for sun's strong influence? Merc is in the star of Moon, who is very weak in 5th house. Still a bit confused... the reason isnt clear. Regards Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Your use of is subject to Sponsor ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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