Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Hello, Tanvir jee I liked the arguements very much. There is always arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. First of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or faith in God and continous prayer can only help. More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer ascendants, Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord respectively if so when Saturn reaches the 12th house by transit, he should give Viprit Raja Yoga irrespective of his placement in the natal and Amsa chart does he give usually? This should be checked with analysis. Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! Whatever I have given previously are some points for consideration. As you said the relationship between the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also should be taken into consideration. Also the strength of Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. Dasa of the native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa reduces the effect of Sade sathe). Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native from sufferings, it is also better to consult about the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can nullifiy the good effects of good planets, as well nullify the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they watched the native for Janmas together than the astrologer. About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We astrologers can study well and tell the native correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury in Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of Good Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in astrology. In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa and the Transit together with whatever I said. Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But as the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa he may render some illness no doubt, it can be rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor that can be rectified provided if the native pious to God. More arguements are welcome. With warm regards Yours sincerely Ramani. Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Namaste. This is a reply of a very old post by Ramani Jee on reply of his Sade Sati thoughs with my views. I had it half done and took some time to finish it today. I am coming to other points later but first please allow me to ask something which is puzzling me most. Quoting ou - "according to Agasthiya nadi planets placed in the houses of Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are benefic" I am absolutely shocked to hear this. How come it happen that planets placed in the signs of Ju, Merc and Ve will be benefic, whereas Merc, Ve and Sun are fallen in those signs respectively? Now about other points - 1. When Saturn is the Janma nakshatra lord, (Moon is Saturn's star) it does not necessarily mean that Sade Sati / Saturn can not / will not harm the native. What Saturn will do in the chart will depend on Saturn's lordship from the ascendant, and some of his actual nature will be always there. (I am coming about Sade Sati later.) 2. According to 2nd point, you have mentioned that when Saturn is exalted / in own sign in rashi chart, he will be harmless and benefic. So wrong! What Saturn will do will be a mixture of his lordship and his actual nature, mentioning again. This is the general rule though for some specific matters, specific planets give good/bad effects and that is again for their actual nature. 3. Exaltation/being in own sign can not make Saturn / any other planet benefic/harmless. It will depend on the lordship. I have Sat (5,6 lord) exalted, my mother has Saturn (2,3 lord) exalted, she also has Ve (6,11 lord) in own sign, and another native I know very well has also an exalted Saturn (1,2 lord) and all these 3 charts are studied too well by me since I know them too well and know their lives too details. Please study a chart with an exalted malefic and see the effects and also the periods. An exalted planet does not become benefic but becomes strong only, it will have much power to do what it wants. Remember Parasara described malefics and benefics as reference from the ascendant. Benefics being exalted/own sign will do good only but malefic being exalted/own sign will do both good and bad. Even benefics being exalted can do BAD in some way - an exalted Ve will give you a lot of relationship in your life, many lover will come and go... sounds pretty good or what? This is again for their actual nature. Here a point to remember that Malefics being exalted will do both good and bad BUT in it's period it will do mostly bad. The good things exalted malefic promisses does not in general materialize in it's own period but in some other planets periods which has a relation with this malefic. This is the general rule, but not always final. I have seen too well what my exalted Saturn did in every PD of it. Some other astrologers know about it well, too since the chart was discussed. Also I saw other two people's lives what the exalted Saturn did in it's periods. Well now please do not want to know more for the sake of a proof, learned members have full right to disagree here :-) 4. Coming back to the point of star, any planet posited in the star of Saturn (Even it is moon) will be more/less impacted by Saturn and if Saturn is malefic to the asc., the impact will be negative this way or that way. I know this bec my moon is posited in the star of Sat (6 lord) and in Moon bhukti I got all kinds trouble a 6th lord can do. I have discussed with some learned astrologers and they fully agreed to me. Even lagna lords/Atmakaraka's periods might be so much painful for it's position, then how come the Janma nakshatra lord be always benefic? About Sade Sati We have to remember that Sade Sati is a transit and it is from the reference of Moon. That is why I am against of judging Sade Sati in reference of Saturns lordship since lordship is seen by asc. and it would be a hotch potch. That is why when judging transit from asc., only then saturns lordship should be used. Like, Saturn is my 5+6 lord and in Sade Sati he will cross my natal houses 6,7,8 from asc. Since my moon is in 7th. Now when refering to asc., we should look what a 5/6th lord can do transitting over natal 6,7,8 houses. But when considering 'Sade Sati' view, to my mind considering lordship of Saturn will not be correct, since Sade Sati is from Moon and when judging transit from Moon, there are specific rules for that as Gochara. And in that rule, Saturn is auspicious in 12,1,2 from natal Moon. Now for Gochara, we can refer to astaka varga points. If Saturn get high SAV points in those signs, he will not be malefic in transit. But this will not depend on if Saturn is exalted in natal rashi chart, or it's lordship. I also can not agree that in Sun or Moon periods Sade Sati will be bad. May be I will agree to it some other day if I see proofs of it, which is a matter of research and experience. But for now, I would not go for it, and to my mind Saturn's actual effect on transit / Sade Sati will depend on the AV points and not to exaltation in natal rashi nor on it's lordship. But yes if the periods are negative then a negative transit will make life more miserable. This applies to periods of all the planets (Not only Sun and Moon) and transits of all the planets (Not only Sade Sati / Saturn.) Now the question comes how much AV will effect? This is also a matter of consideration. Saturn's tendency to houses 12,1,2 from natal moon is malefic. That is why with high AV points he might act less malefic, and even with very high AV points Saturn can do even good. But how much? Bec Saturns tendency is negative here. That is why, with the same AV points in 3rd house from Moon, he will do a lot more good than Sade Sati, doubtlessly ! Because in 3rd from natal moon his tendency is good and good AV points make it even more good ! That is why the gochara system teaches us to judge from natal Moon while we can not deny Parasara's teaching on AV points. A benefic dasa does not mean that Sade Sati can not do any bad, but it means that Sade Sati wil spoil some of it's beneficness, and how much the benefic dasa will save the native will do on the strength of dasa VS Sade Sati maleficness. Coming to the last point, when Saturn is in sign of Merc/Ve/Ju, it does not mean he suddenly turned benefic! Because if those signs are dusthanas, Saturn will suffer. I have Rahu in Gemini (Sign of Merc) and currently I am running Rahu AD, which is doing both good and bad as per the position and other factors. Now about the lottery thing you have mentioned. A benefic Sat (benefic as per asc.) and well placed, + aspected / influenced by other benefics will make you 'lucky' but different kind of. It's hard to explain and requires experience to realize what diff kind of lucky it makes a person that Ve or Ju makes. Ve makes lucky in respect of enjoyment and fun etc., Ju makes lucky that you will get honoured by people as a good person, so now guess what Sat can make. However, this lucky does not necessarily mean gaining in lottery since gains you did not work for are seen from 8th house and lottery and gambling are from 5th house. If these houses are not positive, Saturn alone can not make you gain lottery. This is all my personal view/opinion and surely there might be / would be disagreement on this by some :-) Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Ramani Alwar Thursday, August 07, 2003 10:33 PM Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN Hi Tanvir, You are trying to confuse yourself and trying to confuse me as well. Let me put in a simple way, Saturn has the dominal and exalted strength in Capricon, Aquarius and Libra, To add more, according to Agasthiya nadi planets placed in the houses of Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are benefic. From those signs Saturn cannot be malefic by its virtue.But the Saturn should not be aspected by malefic planets such as Rahu, Ketu, Sun, descending Moon and Saturn. Moreover conjunction with them is as well bad. From the houses of Mars, Cancer and Leo he can be malefic. To understand in depth there are many things about the Sade sathe which I read from the astrological magazines that Sade sathe is really bad, if the Saturn is aspected by Mars, Sun, Rahu, Ketu and Moon as well the conjunction. Jaimuni shutra mentions that the conjunction of Jupiter and Ketu as well makes the native to suffer more in the Sade sathe. Since the Sun and Moon are inimical to Saturn those dasas seems to be more problamatic to the native this is true for the other malefic dasas such as Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon and Mars and as well during teh dasa of the lord of the 6th, 8th and 12th houses. In any benefic dasa Sade sathe cannot be bad. Moreover, Sade sathe cannot be trouble in the extreme possible conditions, if the native is a true Shiva devotee. There are age remedies which are cheaper to follow for sade sathe. During Sade sathe the native should not worn any torned clothes or unwashed clothes, he/she shopuld not avoid taking bath atleast on saturdays. Sleeping longer time in the morning on saturdays is highly harmful so that the native should wake up early. Avoiding friendly gatherings will more useful. Chanting shotras of siva and sanieswara cannot be harmful, but will the native do so? Yours sincerely A. Ramani. Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Hi, I did not know that the Sade Sati can be benefical ! I would like to know your views on the following, please - 1) You have said that when the Janma-Nakshatra is of Saturn, (the star Moon is in) then Sade Sati is harmless. Now, some say that Janma Nakshatra and it's lord (Saturn in this case) is benefic. What is your view on this? 2) I would like to know the source which says in Sun or Moon dasha Sade Sati is bad, for my future studies. 3) You have said that the effects of Sade Sati is decreased in benefic dashas. Now what if the Sade Sati is benefic, (like for Libra Moon sign as you said) then does it mean that benefic Sade Sati + Benefic Dasha = less benefic by Sade Sati? [since you said less effect, so I am little confused.] 4) What If a native is running a Sun Dasha who is a benefic and strong in the chart, and then would benefic Sade Sati be again bad for him? Your views on these will be appreciated. Best wishes, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury tanvir http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro - Ramani Alwar Wednesday, August 06, 2003 11:38 PM Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN Hi all, This is about sade sathe. Can Satrun be cruel, not always. Those who born with the moon with the stars of Saturn, the sade sathe is harmless. If the Saturn is dignified like with dominal strength or exalted strength in the rasi chart, he is not only harmless but beneficical al well. For the ascendants/moon signs of Libra, Aquarius, Capricorn and Taurus, the sade sathe period gives highly beneficial results and brings luck in lottery type things. But during the Sun and Moon dasa the sade sathe brings extremely bad results to the native untill otherwise he/she is praying god regularly. The effect of sade sathe is decreased during the dasa of the benefic planets. Yours sincerely A. Ramani. ~! THE WORLD IS TOUGH, SURVIVAL OF THE FITTEST !~ ~! 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 Hi I have joined recently into group. In the last two days i am observing people taking about saade sati. In my experience saade sate is not bad and will not depend on any things like lagna, or its position or anything. It is the conditioning of the mind by the planet saturn of the the deed for the last 28 yrs. I will explanin this. If a person did different bad deeds with respective to his all 12 bhavas starting from janma lagna not moon position and mis behaves will the bhavas then the planet will condition you when it passes throu the signs 12th and 1 and 2nd of moon. You may ask if it is dependent on the other things 1 to 12 bhavas then why it should condition us with respective moon? The answer is very simple. 1. moon transit in each sign, bhava is the sample indication of the saturn transit in that bhava for 2.5 yrs. that is moon gives sample of the grater transit of saturn. Thus all our deeds are related to our emotional disturbances. Hence moon is the only planet which stimulates the emotions and makes us to do deeds or karma. and transalates the experience to the soul. so without moon u cannot stimulate any activity. 2. similary the sample of sun movement gives us the jupiter cycle in each bhava and sign. 3. Thus mars, mercury, venus will add colors to the moon cycle in each sign and how we react to it and will be accounted in our "General Ledger" called "SOUL" a/c. in the sample cycles of moon, sun, mars, mercury, venus if we donot properly behave (this is a rightous behaviour laid by manu)then all the planets will report to saturn the task master for this era who will make us to listen to his tunes, means who will condition our mind by giving it all sorts of tourbles or taking out what is all there(which indicates 12rh bhava)and conditioning of moon byt itself(indicates moon position) and then your reflection into environment connected to this physical body (which we call as kutumbam or family which inturn indicates 2nd house from moon) there he will train u forcefully. 4. Thus saade sati becomes pain full for person non developed. Remedies: 1. if u have done good deeds and atleast spared some time in a day to server the sick, the poor, the old and can share some what u have with them then) it will not effect. if any one has any doubts pl let me know. subrahmanyam --- Ramani Alwar <aramani_1969 wrote: > Hello, > Tanvir jee > I liked the arguements very much. There is always > arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. First > of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or > faith in God and continous prayer can only help. > More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer ascendants, > Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord respectively if so > when Saturn reaches the 12th house by transit, he > should give Viprit Raja Yoga irrespective of his > placement in the natal and Amsa chart does he give > usually? This should be checked with analysis. > Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, > lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes > benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. > Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn > in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. > Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! > Whatever I have given previously are some points for > consideration. As you said the relationship between > the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also should be > taken into consideration. Also the strength of > Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. Dasa of the > native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa reduces the > effect of Sade sathe). > Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native > from sufferings, it is also better to consult about > the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because > Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can nullifiy > the good effects of good planets, as well nullify > the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they watched > the native for Janmas together than the astrologer. > > About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We > astrologers can study well and tell the native > correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury in > Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are > debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for > Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of Good > Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet > can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in > astrology. > In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa > and the Transit together with whatever I said. > Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But as > the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa he > may render some illness no doubt, it can be > rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor > that can be rectified provided if the native pious > to God. > More arguements are welcome. > With warm regards > Yours sincerely > Ramani. > > > Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Namaste. > > This is a reply of a very old post by Ramani Jee on > reply of his Sade Sati thoughs with my views. I had > it half done and took some time to finish it today. > > I am coming to other points later but first please > allow me to ask something which is puzzling me most. > Quoting ou - > > "according to Agasthiya nadi planets placed in the > houses of Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are benefic" > > I am absolutely shocked to hear this. How come it > happen that planets placed in the signs of Ju, Merc > and Ve will be benefic, whereas Merc, Ve and Sun are > fallen in those signs respectively? > > Now about other points - > > 1. When Saturn is the Janma nakshatra lord, (Moon is > Saturn's star) it does not necessarily mean that > Sade Sati / Saturn can not / will not harm the > native. What Saturn will do in the chart will depend > on Saturn's lordship from the ascendant, and some of > his actual nature will be always there. (I am coming > about Sade Sati later.) > > 2. According to 2nd point, you have mentioned that > when Saturn is exalted / in own sign in rashi chart, > he will be harmless and benefic. So wrong! What > Saturn will do will be a mixture of his lordship and > his actual nature, mentioning again. This is the > general rule though for some specific matters, > specific planets give good/bad effects and that is > again for their actual nature. > > 3. Exaltation/being in own sign can not make Saturn > / any other planet benefic/harmless. It will depend > on the lordship. I have Sat (5,6 lord) exalted, my > mother has Saturn (2,3 lord) exalted, she also has > Ve (6,11 lord) in own sign, and another native I > know very well has also an exalted Saturn (1,2 lord) > and all these 3 charts are studied too well by me > since I know them too well and know their lives too > details. Please study a chart with an exalted > malefic and see the effects and also the periods. > > An exalted planet does not become benefic but > becomes strong only, it will have much power to do > what it wants. Remember Parasara described malefics > and benefics as reference from the ascendant. > > Benefics being exalted/own sign will do good only > but malefic being exalted/own sign will do both good > and bad. Even benefics being exalted can do BAD in > some way - an exalted Ve will give you a lot of > relationship in your life, many lover will come and > go... sounds pretty good or what? > > This is again for their actual nature. > > Here a point to remember that Malefics being exalted > will do both good and bad BUT in it's period it will > do mostly bad. The good things exalted malefic > promisses does not in general materialize in it's > own period but in some other planets periods which > has a relation with this malefic. This is the > general rule, but not always final. > > I have seen too well what my exalted Saturn did in > every PD of it. Some other astrologers know about it > well, too since the chart was discussed. Also I saw > other two people's lives what the exalted Saturn did > in it's periods. Well now please do not want to know > more for the sake of a proof, learned members have > full right to disagree here :-) > > 4. Coming back to the point of star, any planet > posited in the star of Saturn (Even it is moon) will > be more/less impacted by Saturn and if Saturn is > malefic to the asc., the impact will be negative > this way or that way. I know this bec my moon is > posited in the star of Sat (6 lord) and in Moon > bhukti I got all kinds trouble a 6th lord can do. I > have discussed with some learned astrologers and > they fully agreed to me. Even lagna > lords/Atmakaraka's periods might be so much painful > for it's position, then how come the Janma nakshatra > lord be always benefic? > > About Sade Sati > > We have to remember that Sade Sati is a transit and > it is from the reference of Moon. That is why I am > against of judging Sade Sati in reference of Saturns > lordship since lordship is seen by asc. and it would > be a hotch potch. That is why when judging transit > from asc., only then saturns lordship should be > used. Like, Saturn is my 5+6 lord and in Sade Sati > he will cross my natal houses 6,7,8 from asc. Since > my moon is in 7th. Now when refering to asc., we > should look what a 5/6th lord can do transitting > over natal 6,7,8 houses. But when considering 'Sade > Sati' view, to my mind considering lordship of > Saturn will not be correct, since Sade Sati is from > Moon and when judging transit from Moon, there are > specific rules for that as Gochara. And in that > rule, Saturn is auspicious in 12,1,2 from natal > Moon. > > Now for Gochara, we can refer to astaka varga > points. If Saturn get high SAV points in those > signs, he will not be malefic in transit. But this > will not depend on if Saturn is exalted in natal > rashi chart, or it's lordship. > > I also can not agree that in Sun or Moon periods > Sade Sati will be bad. May be I will agree to it > some other day if I see proofs of it, which is a > matter of research and experience. But for now, I > would not go for it, and to my mind Saturn's actual > effect on transit / Sade Sati will depend on the AV > points and not to exaltation in natal rashi nor on > it's lordship. > > But yes if the periods are negative then a negative > transit will make life more miserable. This applies > to periods of all the planets (Not only Sun and > Moon) and transits of all the planets (Not only Sade > Sati / Saturn.) > > Now the question comes how much AV will effect? This > is also a matter of consideration. Saturn's tendency > to houses 12,1,2 from natal moon is malefic. That is > why with high AV points he might act less malefic, > and even with very high AV points Saturn can do even > good. But how much? Bec Saturns tendency is negative > here. That is why, with the same AV points in 3rd > house from Moon, he will do a lot more good than > Sade Sati, doubtlessly ! Because in 3rd from natal > moon his tendency is good and good AV points make it > even more good ! 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Guest guest Posted August 25, 2003 Report Share Posted August 25, 2003 I am a novice, yet willing to learn ... however I have a notion of what you are saying because I have experienced things like these before ... In my own case and in the case of some of our relatives, quite a number of supposdly bad things that had to happen as per the horoscope were averted or never happened .. so much so, that some people actually started questioning the validity of astrology as a science ... I believe however that it was the result of behaving well in all other bhavas, in addition to Guru's (god's) grace that will indicate the turn of events even in the worst possible planetary combinations ... I believe that astrology or a planitary configuration at any given point of time is only indicative of the Karma that has ripened at that point of time for that person ... it can be averted by following the laws laid down by our elders (manu as you had mentioned) .... and how we conduct in those times will again be indicative of the fruits we reap in better planetary configurations ... one of the reasons why I believe that a similar yoga never in two different charts never shows the same results to different people ... However if it's a Vipareet karma then by onself one cant overcome the results of configuration ... and here is where one can anchor to Guru or God ... Thanks for the wonderful article ... Surya. --- Venkata Subrahmanyam <svsmanyam wrote: > Hi > I have joined recently into group. > In the last two days i am observing people taking > about saade sati. > In my experience saade sate is not bad and will not > depend on any things like lagna, or its position or > anything. > It is the conditioning of the mind by the planet > saturn of the the deed for the last 28 yrs. > I will explanin this. > If a person did different bad deeds with respective > to > his all 12 bhavas starting from janma lagna not moon > position and mis behaves will the bhavas then the > planet will condition you when it passes throu the > signs 12th and 1 and 2nd of moon. > You may ask if it is dependent on the other things 1 > to 12 bhavas then why it should condition us with > respective moon? > The answer is very simple. > 1. moon transit in each sign, bhava is the sample > indication of the saturn transit in that bhava for > 2.5 > yrs. that is moon gives sample of the grater transit > of saturn. Thus all our deeds are related to our > emotional disturbances. Hence moon is the only > planet > which stimulates the emotions and makes us to do > deeds > or karma. and transalates the experience to the > soul. > so without moon u cannot stimulate any activity. > 2. similary the sample of sun movement gives us the > jupiter cycle in each bhava and sign. > 3. Thus mars, mercury, venus will add colors to the > moon cycle in each sign and how we react to it and > will be accounted in our "General Ledger" called > "SOUL" a/c. > in the sample cycles of moon, sun, mars, mercury, > venus if we donot properly behave (this is a > rightous > behaviour laid by manu)then all the planets will > report to saturn the task master for this era who > will > make us to listen to his tunes, means who will > condition our mind by giving it all sorts of > tourbles > or taking out what is all there(which indicates 12rh > bhava)and conditioning of moon byt itself(indicates > moon position) and then your reflection into > environment connected to this physical body (which > we > call as kutumbam or family which inturn indicates > 2nd > house from moon) there he will train u forcefully. > 4. Thus saade sati becomes pain full for person non > developed. > Remedies: > 1. if u have done good deeds and atleast spared some > time in a day to server the sick, the poor, the old > and can share some what u have with them then) it > will > not effect. > if any one has any doubts pl let me know. > > subrahmanyam > > --- Ramani Alwar <aramani_1969 wrote: > > Hello, > > Tanvir jee > > I liked the arguements very much. There is always > > arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. > First > > of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or > > faith in God and continous prayer can only help. > > More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer > ascendants, > > Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord respectively if so > > when Saturn reaches the 12th house by transit, he > > should give Viprit Raja Yoga irrespective of his > > placement in the natal and Amsa chart does he give > > usually? This should be checked with analysis. > > Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, > > lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes > > benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. > > Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn > > in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. > > Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give > > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! > > Whatever I have given previously are some points > for > > consideration. As you said the relationship > between > > the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also should > be > > taken into consideration. Also the strength of > > Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. Dasa of the > > native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa reduces the > > effect of Sade sathe). > > Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native > > from sufferings, it is also better to consult > about > > the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because > > Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can > nullifiy > > the good effects of good planets, as well nullify > > the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they > watched > > the native for Janmas together than the > astrologer. > > > > About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We > > astrologers can study well and tell the native > > correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury > in > > Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are > > debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for > > Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of > Good > > Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet > > can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in > > astrology. > > In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa > > and the Transit together with whatever I said. > > Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But > as > > the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa > he > > may render some illness no doubt, it can be > > rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor > > that can be rectified provided if the native pious > > to God. > > More arguements are welcome. > > With warm regards > > Yours sincerely > > Ramani. > > > > > > Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > > Namaste. > > > > This is a reply of a very old post by Ramani Jee > on > > reply of his Sade Sati thoughs with my views. I > had > > it half done and took some time to finish it > today. > > > > I am coming to other points later but first please > > allow me to ask something which is puzzling me > most. > > Quoting ou - > > > > "according to Agasthiya nadi planets placed in the > > houses of Jupiter, Venus and Mercury are benefic" > > > > I am absolutely shocked to hear this. How come it > > happen that planets placed in the signs of Ju, > Merc > > and Ve will be benefic, whereas Merc, Ve and Sun > are > > fallen in those signs respectively? > > > > Now about other points - > > > > 1. When Saturn is the Janma nakshatra lord, (Moon > is > > Saturn's star) it does not necessarily mean that > > Sade Sati / Saturn can not / will not harm the > > native. What Saturn will do in the chart will > depend > > on Saturn's lordship from the ascendant, and some > of > > his actual nature will be always there. (I am > coming > > about Sade Sati later.) > > > > 2. According to 2nd point, you have mentioned that > > when Saturn is exalted / in own sign in rashi > chart, > > he will be harmless and benefic. So wrong! What > > Saturn will do will be a mixture of his lordship > and > > his actual nature, mentioning again. This is the > > general rule though for some specific matters, > > specific planets give good/bad effects and that is > > again for their actual nature. > > > > 3. Exaltation/being in own sign can not make > Saturn > > / any other planet benefic/harmless. It will > depend > > on the lordship. I have Sat (5,6 lord) exalted, my > > mother has Saturn (2,3 lord) exalted, she also has > > Ve (6,11 lord) in own sign, and another native I > > know very well has also an exalted Saturn (1,2 > lord) > > and all these 3 charts are studied too well by me > > since I know them too well and know their lives > too > > details. Please study a chart with an exalted > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Good and interesting post. Uncommon thoughts. Please keep it up :-) Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Venkata Subrahmanyam Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:11 AM Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN? Hi I have joined recently into group. In the last two days i am observing people taking about saade sati. In my experience saade sate is not bad and will not depend on any things like lagna, or its position or anything. It is the conditioning of the mind by the planet saturn of the the deed for the last 28 yrs. I will explanin this. If a person did different bad deeds with respective to his all 12 bhavas starting from janma lagna not moon position and mis behaves will the bhavas then the planet will condition you when it passes throu the signs 12th and 1 and 2nd of moon. You may ask if it is dependent on the other things 1 to 12 bhavas then why it should condition us with respective moon? The answer is very simple. 1. moon transit in each sign, bhava is the sample indication of the saturn transit in that bhava for 2.5 yrs. that is moon gives sample of the grater transit of saturn. Thus all our deeds are related to our emotional disturbances. Hence moon is the only planet which stimulates the emotions and makes us to do deeds or karma. and transalates the experience to the soul. so without moon u cannot stimulate any activity. 2. similary the sample of sun movement gives us the jupiter cycle in each bhava and sign. 3. Thus mars, mercury, venus will add colors to the moon cycle in each sign and how we react to it and will be accounted in our "General Ledger" called "SOUL" a/c. in the sample cycles of moon, sun, mars, mercury, venus if we donot properly behave (this is a rightous behaviour laid by manu)then all the planets will report to saturn the task master for this era who will make us to listen to his tunes, means who will condition our mind by giving it all sorts of tourbles or taking out what is all there(which indicates 12rh bhava)and conditioning of moon byt itself(indicates moon position) and then your reflection into environment connected to this physical body (which we call as kutumbam or family which inturn indicates 2nd house from moon) there he will train u forcefully. 4. Thus saade sati becomes pain full for person non developed. Remedies: 1. if u have done good deeds and atleast spared some time in a day to server the sick, the poor, the old and can share some what u have with them then) it will not effect. if any one has any doubts pl let me know. subrahmanyam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2003 Report Share Posted August 26, 2003 Hi Tanivrjee, We have initiated Sade Sathe discussion we are getting a lot of responses. I recently read some more informations by a Tamil author named Mururajendran, he mentions Saturn as a strict punisher, irrestive of his placement in the natal chart. Those who misuse the girls will have trouble in the family life when Saturn reaches the 7th house by transit, if one manipulate and cheat money of others, during the astama sani (Saturn in the 8th house during transit) the native may suffer by signing surity for others, or by giving money to othes (that he may not get it back), If the native is coping with the relatives then during the Sade Sathe, the native may live away from relatives and friends. see you later, Bye now Ramani. Tanvir <tanvir wrote: Good and interesting post. Uncommon thoughts. Please keep it up :-) Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Venkata Subrahmanyam Tuesday, August 26, 2003 5:11 AM Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN? Hi I have joined recently into group. In the last two days i am observing people taking about saade sati. In my experience saade sate is not bad and will not depend on any things like lagna, or its position or anything. It is the conditioning of the mind by the planet saturn of the the deed for the last 28 yrs. I will explanin this. If a person did different bad deeds with respective to his all 12 bhavas starting from janma lagna not moon position and mis behaves will the bhavas then the planet will condition you when it passes throu the signs 12th and 1 and 2nd of moon. You may ask if it is dependent on the other things 1 to 12 bhavas then why it should condition us with respective moon? The answer is very simple. 1. moon transit in each sign, bhava is the sample indication of the saturn transit in that bhava for 2.5 yrs. that is moon gives sample of the grater transit of saturn. Thus all our deeds are related to our emotional disturbances. Hence moon is the only planet which stimulates the emotions and makes us to do deeds or karma. and transalates the experience to the soul. so without moon u cannot stimulate any activity. 2. similary the sample of sun movement gives us the jupiter cycle in each bhava and sign. 3. Thus mars, mercury, venus will add colors to the moon cycle in each sign and how we react to it and will be accounted in our "General Ledger" called "SOUL" a/c. in the sample cycles of moon, sun, mars, mercury, venus if we donot properly behave (this is a rightous behaviour laid by manu)then all the planets will report to saturn the task master for this era who will make us to listen to his tunes, means who will condition our mind by giving it all sorts of tourbles or taking out what is all there(which indicates 12rh bhava)and conditioning of moon byt itself(indicates moon position) and then your reflection into environment connected to this physical body (which we call as kutumbam or family which inturn indicates 2nd house from moon) there he will train u forcefully. 4. Thus saade sati becomes pain full for person non developed. Remedies: 1. if u have done good deeds and atleast spared some time in a day to server the sick, the poor, the old and can share some what u have with them then) it will not effect. if any one has any doubts pl let me know. subrahmanyam Sponsor ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hello Ramani Jee, Well I would like to call it discussion than arguments. Arguments sound like boxing matches, discussion is what Jyotish scholars should do :-) When a 6th lord is transitting over natal dusthana, the house where the natal 6th lord is placed can suffer. Or any significations of 6th house might suffer, say indigestion, trouble from enemies etc. The thing is that, a coin has only two sides, but a planetary position has so many sides! Most basic things of our lives can be explained by the 9 planets and 12 houses, they interact among themelves in so many ways. Vipreet Raja Yoga is good for enjoyment and prosperity in general, but the dusthana lord being little afflicted can be destroyed in it's own significations since it is already in a dusthana. Panch Maha Purush. An exalted/own sign mars in asc can make the native a strict dictator, esp if aspected by Sun. A sun this way can make the native too much dominating and egoistic. A great person can have faults, too. I think it is better not to memorize the yogas but try tounderstand the facts behind them. Kendras are the Vishnu Sthanas, the sustaining houses. An exalted/own sign planet in a kendra shows the way native sustains in this earth, in simple words it shows the path s/he will succeed in. Being exalted/own sign, the planet is very strong in it's promisses and will make the native improve in it's own way, or have the planet's qualities in them etc. Right now I can remember a female native chart with exalted Saturn (Asc lord) + Own sign Ve in 10th. Double Maha Purush, she lacks in simple common sense and there is no extra ordinary qualification she has, not even 'pretty good', in her circle her 'sillyness' (in gentle language) is well known and her parents and friends worry about her too much for all these. None of her sat or ve periods have been really 'good' or happy. But yes they rises her status and career. (10th house) I would not like an own sign / exalted saturn, or Mars in lagna. Sat will make the native fond of loneliness, being sad etc., and even being exalted, Sat will have some probs inside it since it is directionally weak in asc. But yes he is the Yoga Karaka and will give success. But happiness also matters. By the way I have both Saturn and Mars exalted, Sat (5,6L) exalted in 2nd and Mars (3,8L) exalted in 5th. What they are doing in my life, I am going to write them very details in the "Astrological Biography" of myself I am writing little by little. It has been already 42 KBs - a large one. Salam, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Ramani Alwar Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:00 AM IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN? Hello, Tanvir jee I liked the arguements very much. There is always arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. First of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or faith in God and continous prayer can only help. More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer ascendants, Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord respectively if so when Saturn reaches the 12th house by transit, he should give Viprit Raja Yoga irrespective of his placement in the natal and Amsa chart does he give usually? This should be checked with analysis. Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! Whatever I have given previously are some points for consideration. As you said the relationship between the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also should be taken into consideration. Also the strength of Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. Dasa of the native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa reduces the effect of Sade sathe). Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native from sufferings, it is also better to consult about the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can nullifiy the good effects of good planets, as well nullify the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they watched the native for Janmas together than the astrologer. About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We astrologers can study well and tell the native correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury in Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of Good Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in astrology. In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa and the Transit together with whatever I said. Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But as the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa he may render some illness no doubt, it can be rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor that can be rectified provided if the native pious to God. More arguements are welcome. With warm regards Yours sincerely Ramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2003 Report Share Posted August 28, 2003 I have seen that 7th house is about "Blackmailing" or "Breaching trust on hidden matters" or someone reveals to others what you said him feeling trustworhy. I logical explanation is that, 8th house rules hidden/secret things and being 12th to 8th, 7th can expose any hidden things with great skill. I find this always true. So if a native is clever enough to mess with girls in secret then Saturn might act even more clever than him to reveal them being in 12th from 8th. This I agree. On the other hand afflicted planet in 7th / 7th lord might also do it in it's AD, particularly. Salam, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - Ramani Alwar Wednesday, August 27, 2003 1:07 AM Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN? Hi Tanivrjee, We have initiated Sade Sathe discussion we are getting a lot of responses. I recently read some more informations by a Tamil author named Mururajendran, he mentions Saturn as a strict punisher, irrestive of his placement in the natal chart. Those who misuse the girls will have trouble in the family life when Saturn reaches the 7th house by transit, if one manipulate and cheat money of others, during the astama sani (Saturn in the 8th house during transit) the native may suffer by signing surity for others, or by giving money to othes (that he may not get it back), If the native is coping with the relatives then during the Sade Sathe, the native may live away from relatives and friends. see you later, Bye now Ramani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 dear tanvir i agree with u ...it is not exaltation or delibation that matters...we have to judge the natal chart in totality...even a delibated planet with neech bhanga or otherwise can give good results if it is a malefic in a dustha shana...what do u say? --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Hello Ramani Jee, > > Well I would like to call it discussion than > arguments. Arguments sound like boxing matches, > discussion is what Jyotish scholars should do :-) > > When a 6th lord is transitting over natal dusthana, > the house where the natal 6th lord is placed can > suffer. Or any significations of 6th house might > suffer, say indigestion, trouble from enemies etc. > The thing is that, a coin has only two sides, but a > planetary position has so many sides! Most basic > things of our lives can be explained by the 9 > planets and 12 houses, they interact among themelves > in so many ways. > > Vipreet Raja Yoga is good for enjoyment and > prosperity in general, but the dusthana lord being > little afflicted can be destroyed in it's own > significations since it is already in a dusthana. > > Panch Maha Purush. An exalted/own sign mars in asc > can make the native a strict dictator, esp if > aspected by Sun. A sun this way can make the native > too much dominating and egoistic. A great person can > have faults, too. > > I think it is better not to memorize the yogas but > try tounderstand the facts behind them. Kendras are > the Vishnu Sthanas, the sustaining houses. An > exalted/own sign planet in a kendra shows the way > native sustains in this earth, in simple words it > shows the path s/he will succeed in. Being > exalted/own sign, the planet is very strong in it's > promisses and will make the native improve in it's > own way, or have the planet's qualities in them etc. > > Right now I can remember a female native chart with > exalted Saturn (Asc lord) + Own sign Ve in 10th. > Double Maha Purush, she lacks in simple common sense > and there is no extra ordinary qualification she > has, not even 'pretty good', in her circle her > 'sillyness' (in gentle language) is well known and > her parents and friends worry about her too much for > all these. > > None of her sat or ve periods have been really > 'good' or happy. But yes they rises her status and > career. (10th house) > > I would not like an own sign / exalted saturn, or > Mars in lagna. Sat will make the native fond of > loneliness, being sad etc., and even being exalted, > Sat will have some probs inside it since it is > directionally weak in asc. But yes he is the Yoga > Karaka and will give success. But happiness also > matters. > > By the way I have both Saturn and Mars exalted, Sat > (5,6L) exalted in 2nd and Mars (3,8L) exalted in > 5th. What they are doing in my life, I am going to > write them very details in the "Astrological > Biography" of myself I am writing little by little. > It has been already 42 KBs - a large one. > > Salam, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > Ramani Alwar > > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:00 AM > IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH > LAGN? > > > Hello, > Tanvir jee > I liked the arguements very much. There is always > arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. First > of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or > faith in God and continous prayer can only help. > More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer > ascendants, Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord > respectively if so when Saturn reaches the 12th > house by transit, he should give Viprit Raja Yoga > irrespective of his placement in the natal and Amsa > chart does he give usually? This should be checked > with analysis. > Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, > lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes > benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. > Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn > in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. > Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! > Whatever I have given previously are some points > for consideration. As you said the relationship > between the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also > should be taken into consideration. Also the > strength of Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. > Dasa of the native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa > reduces the effect of Sade sathe). > Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native > from sufferings, it is also better to consult about > the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because > Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can nullifiy > the good effects of good planets, as well nullify > the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they watched > the native for Janmas together than the astrologer. > > About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We > astrologers can study well and tell the native > correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury in > Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are > debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for > Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of Good > Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet > can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in > astrology. > In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa > and the Transit together with whatever I said. > Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But > as the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa > he may render some illness no doubt, it can be > rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor > that can be rectified provided if the native pious > to God. > More arguements are welcome. > With warm regards > Yours sincerely > Ramani. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Yes, the whole chart has to be seen as it is needed. However, even after neecha bhanga, the planet has some problem in it, as taught by the Gurus. Neecha bhanga by being exalted in d9 is better. Also, retro-neecha planets seem to do some good most of the times. Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion , shouveek dutta <explore_vulcan> wrote: > dear tanvir > i agree with u ...it is not exaltation or delibation > that matters...we have to judge the natal chart in > totality...even a delibated planet with neech bhanga > or otherwise can give good results if it is a malefic > in a dustha shana...what do u say? > > > --- Tanvir <tanvir@s...> wrote: > > Hello Ramani Jee, > > > > Well I would like to call it discussion than > > arguments. Arguments sound like boxing matches, > > discussion is what Jyotish scholars should do :-) > > > > When a 6th lord is transitting over natal dusthana, > > the house where the natal 6th lord is placed can > > suffer. Or any significations of 6th house might > > suffer, say indigestion, trouble from enemies etc. > > The thing is that, a coin has only two sides, but a > > planetary position has so many sides! Most basic > > things of our lives can be explained by the 9 > > planets and 12 houses, they interact among themelves > > in so many ways. > > > > Vipreet Raja Yoga is good for enjoyment and > > prosperity in general, but the dusthana lord being > > little afflicted can be destroyed in it's own > > significations since it is already in a dusthana. > > > > Panch Maha Purush. An exalted/own sign mars in asc > > can make the native a strict dictator, esp if > > aspected by Sun. A sun this way can make the native > > too much dominating and egoistic. A great person can > > have faults, too. > > > > I think it is better not to memorize the yogas but > > try tounderstand the facts behind them. Kendras are > > the Vishnu Sthanas, the sustaining houses. An > > exalted/own sign planet in a kendra shows the way > > native sustains in this earth, in simple words it > > shows the path s/he will succeed in. Being > > exalted/own sign, the planet is very strong in it's > > promisses and will make the native improve in it's > > own way, or have the planet's qualities in them etc. > > > > Right now I can remember a female native chart with > > exalted Saturn (Asc lord) + Own sign Ve in 10th. > > Double Maha Purush, she lacks in simple common sense > > and there is no extra ordinary qualification she > > has, not even 'pretty good', in her circle her > > 'sillyness' (in gentle language) is well known and > > her parents and friends worry about her too much for > > all these. > > > > None of her sat or ve periods have been really > > 'good' or happy. But yes they rises her status and > > career. (10th house) > > > > I would not like an own sign / exalted saturn, or > > Mars in lagna. Sat will make the native fond of > > loneliness, being sad etc., and even being exalted, > > Sat will have some probs inside it since it is > > directionally weak in asc. But yes he is the Yoga > > Karaka and will give success. But happiness also > > matters. > > > > By the way I have both Saturn and Mars exalted, Sat > > (5,6L) exalted in 2nd and Mars (3,8L) exalted in > > 5th. What they are doing in my life, I am going to > > write them very details in the "Astrological > > Biography" of myself I am writing little by little. > > It has been already 42 KBs - a large one. > > > > Salam, > > Tanvir > > > > > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury > > Mail tanvir@s... > > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > > Jyotish discussion > > > > > > - > > Ramani Alwar > > > > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:00 AM > > IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH > > LAGN? > > > > > > Hello, > > Tanvir jee > > I liked the arguements very much. There is always > > arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. First > > of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or > > faith in God and continous prayer can only help. > > More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer > > ascendants, Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord > > respectively if so when Saturn reaches the 12th > > house by transit, he should give Viprit Raja Yoga > > irrespective of his placement in the natal and Amsa > > chart does he give usually? This should be checked > > with analysis. > > Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, > > lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes > > benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. > > Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn > > in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. > > Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give > > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! > > Whatever I have given previously are some points > > for consideration. As you said the relationship > > between the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also > > should be taken into consideration. Also the > > strength of Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. > > Dasa of the native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa > > reduces the effect of Sade sathe). > > Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native > > from sufferings, it is also better to consult about > > the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because > > Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can nullifiy > > the good effects of good planets, as well nullify > > the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they watched > > the native for Janmas together than the astrologer. > > > > About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We > > astrologers can study well and tell the native > > correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury in > > Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are > > debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for > > Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of Good > > Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet > > can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in > > astrology. > > In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa > > and the Transit together with whatever I said. > > Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But > > as the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa > > he may render some illness no doubt, it can be > > rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor > > that can be rectified provided if the native pious > > to God. > > More arguements are welcome. > > With warm regards > > Yours sincerely > > Ramani. > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2003 Report Share Posted August 29, 2003 Greetings & Salutations of the Highest; Tanvir; My Question is how do most astrologers believe Jyotish works? Is it by a divinatory means somehow "synchronously" with the will of the Gods, which are the physical planets anthropomorphacized and affecting our affairs by the miraculous? Or, is this view cosmetic to an underlying divine geometry of pranic forces which choriagraph what seems to be Fate, Destiny, Kismet, or Karma? In the living affairs and death of individuals? Is there Free Will? Namaste S.J.A. "Tanvir Chowdhury" <tanvir wrote: >Yes, the whole chart has to be seen as it is needed. However, even >after neecha bhanga, the planet has some problem in it, as taught by >the Gurus. Neecha bhanga by being exalted in d9 is better. Also, >retro-neecha planets seem to do some good most of the times. > >Namaste, >Tanvir > > > > >What can not happen, can never happen. >Which is mine, is forever mine. > >Tanvir Chowdhury >Mail tanvir >Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir >Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro >Jyotish discussion > > >, shouveek dutta ><explore_vulcan> wrote: >> dear tanvir >> i agree with u ...it is not exaltation or delibation >> that matters...we have to judge the natal chart in >> totality...even a delibated planet with neech bhanga >> or otherwise can give good results if it is a malefic >> in a dustha shana...what do u say? >> >> >> --- Tanvir <tanvir@s...> wrote: >> > Hello Ramani Jee, >> > >> > Well I would like to call it discussion than >> > arguments. Arguments sound like boxing matches, >> > discussion is what Jyotish scholars should do :-) >> > >> > When a 6th lord is transitting over natal dusthana, >> > the house where the natal 6th lord is placed can >> > suffer. Or any significations of 6th house might >> > suffer, say indigestion, trouble from enemies etc. >> > The thing is that, a coin has only two sides, but a >> > planetary position has so many sides! Most basic >> > things of our lives can be explained by the 9 >> > planets and 12 houses, they interact among themelves >> > in so many ways. >> > >> > Vipreet Raja Yoga is good for enjoyment and >> > prosperity in general, but the dusthana lord being >> > little afflicted can be destroyed in it's own >> > significations since it is already in a dusthana. >> > >> > Panch Maha Purush. An exalted/own sign mars in asc >> > can make the native a strict dictator, esp if >> > aspected by Sun. A sun this way can make the native >> > too much dominating and egoistic. A great person can >> > have faults, too. >> > >> > I think it is better not to memorize the yogas but >> > try tounderstand the facts behind them. Kendras are >> > the Vishnu Sthanas, the sustaining houses. An >> > exalted/own sign planet in a kendra shows the way >> > native sustains in this earth, in simple words it >> > shows the path s/he will succeed in. Being >> > exalted/own sign, the planet is very strong in it's >> > promisses and will make the native improve in it's >> > own way, or have the planet's qualities in them etc. >> > >> > Right now I can remember a female native chart with >> > exalted Saturn (Asc lord) + Own sign Ve in 10th. >> > Double Maha Purush, she lacks in simple common sense >> > and there is no extra ordinary qualification she >> > has, not even 'pretty good', in her circle her >> > 'sillyness' (in gentle language) is well known and >> > her parents and friends worry about her too much for >> > all these. >> > >> > None of her sat or ve periods have been really >> > 'good' or happy. But yes they rises her status and >> > career. (10th house) >> > >> > I would not like an own sign / exalted saturn, or >> > Mars in lagna. Sat will make the native fond of >> > loneliness, being sad etc., and even being exalted, >> > Sat will have some probs inside it since it is >> > directionally weak in asc. But yes he is the Yoga >> > Karaka and will give success. But happiness also >> > matters. >> > >> > By the way I have both Saturn and Mars exalted, Sat >> > (5,6L) exalted in 2nd and Mars (3,8L) exalted in >> > 5th. What they are doing in my life, I am going to >> > write them very details in the "Astrological >> > Biography" of myself I am writing little by little. >> > It has been already 42 KBs - a large one. >> > >> > Salam, >> > Tanvir >> > >> > >> > >> > What can not happen, can never happen. >> > Which is mine, is forever mine. >> > >> > Tanvir Chowdhury >> > Mail tanvir@s... >> > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir >> > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro >> > Jyotish discussion >> > >> > >> > - >> > Ramani Alwar >> > >> > Tuesday, August 26, 2003 4:00 AM >> > IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH >> > LAGN? >> > >> > >> > Hello, >> > Tanvir jee >> > I liked the arguements very much. There is always >> > arguements whenever I learnt about Sade Sathe. First >> > of all, For a native to be happy. Dasa, transit or >> > faith in God and continous prayer can only help. >> > More arguements, For the Leo and Cancer >> > ascendants, Saturn becomes 6th and 8th lord >> > respectively if so when Saturn reaches the 12th >> > house by transit, he should give Viprit Raja Yoga >> > irrespective of his placement in the natal and Amsa >> > chart does he give usually? This should be checked >> > with analysis. >> > Many times I found Saturn if aspected by benefics, >> > lord of the fifth or ninth house lords he becomes >> > benefic to the native as per Chandra Kaviyam. >> > Moreover we should consider the strength of Saturn >> > in the Amsa chart (Navamsa) as well. >> > Exalted malefics such as Mars and Saturn too give >> > Pancha Maha Purusha Yogas!!! >> > Whatever I have given previously are some points >> > for consideration. As you said the relationship >> > between the ascendant and the Moon for Saturn also >> > should be taken into consideration. Also the >> > strength of Saturn in the natal and Navamsa chart. >> > Dasa of the native during Sade sathe (benefic dasa >> > reduces the effect of Sade sathe). >> > Moreover if a native suffers to rescue the native >> > from sufferings, it is also better to consult about >> > the Rahu and Ketu in the natal chart. Because >> > Jaimuni indicates these Karmic planets can nullifiy >> > the good effects of good planets, as well nullify >> > the bad effects of bad effects. Becuase they watched >> > the native for Janmas together than the astrologer. >> > >> > About Agasthiya Nadi, he mentions in general. We >> > astrologers can study well and tell the native >> > correctly by analysing. Your points like Mercury in >> > Pisces, Venus in Virgo and Sun in Libra are >> > debilitated I agreed. So This point may not be for >> > Sade sathe since those houses are the houses of Good >> > Planets. But I consider in Kuru Shetra any planet >> > can be benefic, since he is a benevolent planet in >> > astrology. >> > In my view it is better to consider Navamsa, Dasa >> > and the Transit together with whatever I said. >> > Saturn Dasa is different than the Sade Sathe. But >> > as the Lord of 6th house both in transit and in Dasa >> > he may render some illness no doubt, it can be >> > rectified with the help of astrologers and doctor >> > that can be rectified provided if the native pious >> > to God. >> > More arguements are welcome. >> > With warm regards >> > Yours sincerely >> > Ramani. >> > >> > >> > [Non-text portions of this message have been >> > removed] >> > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________ McAfee VirusScan Online from the Netscape Network. Comprehensive protection for your entire computer. 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Guest guest Posted September 1, 2003 Report Share Posted September 1, 2003 Greetings. Actually it is somehow possible to answer how planets affect our mind and body etc., but it is absolutely impossible to ans how planets affect our destiny/luck. Because as per science, there is no luck, no destiny. Well science believes in 'theory of probability' but that is what it believes about 'luck'. Like if you buy lottery tickets so much, you can sometimes win lottery, or even buying only one lottery ticket, you can win, thats the matter of probability. But science can never accept that your luck in lottery / lottery gain can be predicted by seeing the chart or anything like this. Science believes, 'You do what you get'. But actually from our common sense we see it never works. Yes there are 'practical exucses' after whatever happens, but this way or that way, "IT" happens. That is why people can not answer from 'scientific' view why astrology works. People say about cosmic energies, but that theory is only partial, a partial concept, but not an self-dependable concept to explain astrology. Science have not developed that much to explain "GOD" or "Heaven" or "Moksha" etc. As per science, "religion" is a method of living, and prophets and rishis were only 'scocial scientists' who showed us new living styles for better life etc. That is why the only theory that supports astrology is the Vedic principles that planets are the 'police' of the universe to bring us the result of our own karma. only this can explain things. And only rebirth can explain why even good people get so much sorrow in life. That is why, western astrologers not paying in these core facts lacks in depth... since they can not answer how planets control our luck? Only Vedic concept can answer this. And I know some people believe in free will, some do not. I am in the team of not believing in any free will, actually then believing in Vedic Astrology has no point. I wrote a long post on free will, may be you can read it searching the archieve. I lost it from my mailbox since I lost all the mails of this group. Namaste, Tanvir What can not happen, can never happen. Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir Chowdhury Mail tanvir Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro Jyotish discussion - gandoff93 Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:18 AM Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH LAGN? Greetings & Salutations of the Highest; Tanvir; My Question is how do most astrologers believe Jyotish works? Is it by a divinatory means somehow "synchronously" with the will of the Gods, which are the physical planets anthropomorphacized and affecting our affairs by the miraculous? Or, is this view cosmetic to an underlying divine geometry of pranic forces which choriagraph what seems to be Fate, Destiny, Kismet, or Karma? In the living affairs and death of individuals? Is there Free Will? Namaste S.J.A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2003 Report Share Posted September 2, 2003 I have a point to make here ... I think there is free will ... to me a given planetary configuration shows what karma has ripened at that point of time ... it is entirely in our hands to avoid that karma (unless it's very very strong) or to enjoy the fruits of it ... --- Tanvir <tanvir wrote: > Greetings. > > Actually it is somehow possible to answer how > planets affect our mind and body etc., but it is > absolutely impossible to ans how planets affect our > destiny/luck. Because as per science, there is no > luck, no destiny. Well science believes in 'theory > of probability' but that is what it believes about > 'luck'. Like if you buy lottery tickets so much, you > can sometimes win lottery, or even buying only one > lottery ticket, you can win, thats the matter of > probability. But science can never accept that your > luck in lottery / lottery gain can be predicted by > seeing the chart or anything like this. Science > believes, 'You do what you get'. But actually from > our common sense we see it never works. Yes there > are 'practical exucses' after whatever happens, but > this way or that way, "IT" happens. > > That is why people can not answer from 'scientific' > view why astrology works. People say about cosmic > energies, but that theory is only partial, a partial > concept, but not an self-dependable concept to > explain astrology. Science have not developed that > much to explain "GOD" or "Heaven" or "Moksha" etc. > As per science, "religion" is a method of living, > and prophets and rishis were only 'scocial > scientists' who showed us new living styles for > better life etc. > > That is why the only theory that supports astrology > is the Vedic principles that planets are the > 'police' of the universe to bring us the result of > our own karma. only this can explain things. And > only rebirth can explain why even good people get so > much sorrow in life. > > That is why, western astrologers not paying in these > core facts lacks in depth... since they can not > answer how planets control our luck? Only Vedic > concept can answer this. > > And I know some people believe in free will, some do > not. I am in the team of not believing in any free > will, actually then believing in Vedic Astrology has > no point. I wrote a long post on free will, may be > you can read it searching the archieve. I lost it > from my mailbox since I lost all the mails of this > group. > > > > Namaste, > Tanvir > > > > What can not happen, can never happen. > Which is mine, is forever mine. > > Tanvir Chowdhury > Mail tanvir > Personal site http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir > Jyotish site http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro > Jyotish discussion > > > - > gandoff93 > > Saturday, August 30, 2003 8:18 AM > Re: IS SADE SATTI BENEFIC FOR KUMBH > LAGN? > > > Greetings & Salutations of the Highest; > > Tanvir; My Question is how do most astrologers > believe Jyotish works? Is it by a divinatory means > somehow "synchronously" with the will of the Gods, > which are the physical planets anthropomorphacized > and affecting our affairs by the miraculous? > Or, is this view cosmetic to an underlying > divine geometry of pranic forces which choriagraph > what seems to be Fate, Destiny, Kismet, or Karma? In > the living affairs and death of individuals? Is > there Free Will? > > Namaste S.J.A. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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