Tanvir, your views on Ketu vs Mercury & astrology

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Hi friends,

I would like to know Tanvir's views on this subject of

Ketu and Mer wrt Astrology!

Regards,

Souvik

 

--- Anurag Agnihotri <agneyastra wrote:

> Dear Friends,

> Let me also post my views in this thread of

> discussion.

> I have Ketu in Asc. (Scorpio) and I am obviously

> inclined/interested

> in Jyoyish.

> I have noted that apart from Ketu and/or Mercury,

> good placement of

> Jupiter and Sun is also important for astrological

> exploits.

> Specially for Scorpio Asc., Jupiter being losr of

> 2nd and 5th must be

> strongly posited. This will not only render native

> to read scriptures

> and astrology but also give hin 'vak siddhi' leading

> to general

> fritufication of his predictions.

>

> Sun as the celestial astrologer/father of

> astrology/centre of solar

> system is equally important for pursuing

> astrological studies.

> I have Sun exalted in Aries with Mercury (not

> combust) in 6th house/

> 7th from Moon. This combination is furthering my

> astrological studies

> specially in running Mercury bhukti.

>

> Jupiter's combination with Venus (Shukrachary -

> tantrik) in later's

> own sign may lead native towards mantra siddhi etc.

> as well.

>

> Thus, there are several significations for

> astrological pursuits. I

> have tried to explain few from my own chart.

>

> With best regards,

>

> - Anurag

>

> , Ramani

> Alwar

> <aramani_1969> wrote:

> > Hi could you give the whole chart please and also

> put your queries

> in it clearly.

> > With warm regards

> > Yours sincerely

> > A. Ramani.

> >

> > Mr. Alwar ji,

> >

> > What are the significations if Moon and ketu(in

> tarus) aspect

> Socrpio

> > with rahu in it, with ketu also aspecting Mercury

> (in capricorn) in

> > the 8th? Also, can planetary configurations show

> when such insight

> is

> > used incorrectly.

> >

> > , Ramani

> Alwar

> > <aramani_1969> wrote:

> > > Hi

> > > Doubtlessly both Ketu and Mercury can make a

> good and famous

> > astrologers. People having the Scorpio as

> ascendant and having Ketu

> > in the ascendant can be a Good astrologers. Ketu

> has a typical

> power

> > of understanding the future, thus people having

> Ketu exalted in the

> > asecendant can fortell much of the future events

> easily than the

> rest

> > of the astrologers such as the hidden dangers and

> fortunes etc.

> > Whereas Mercury is good for learning astrology and

> use it as tool.

> > Mercury aspected by Jupiter or conjunction of

> Mercury and Jupiter

> can

> > also make astrologers. If you have more to ask you

> are welcome.

> > > Bye now

> > > A. Ramani.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > > Namaste Gurus,

> > > I wanted to know which is the planet responsible

> for astrology or

> > in

> > > other words which planets (in good position or

> exalted) make good

> > > astrologers?

> > >

> > > Is it Ketu or Mercury...Infact Ketu is quite

> unhappy in Mer owned

> > > houses (Gemini & Virgo) and Mercury is in turn

> quite "confused"

> in

> > > Ketu's regions of exaltation (Scorpio and

> Pisces).

> > >

> > > Who's position or influence generates an in

> sight into astrology?

> > >

> > > Is it neither of them, both or any other planet

> too needs to be

> > > considered?

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

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> > Ramani Alwar <aramani_1969> wrote:

> > Hi

> > Doubtlessly both Ketu and Mercury can make a

> good and famous

> astrologers. People having the Scorpio as ascendant

> and having Ketu

> in the ascendant can be a Good astrologers. Ketu has

> a typical power

> of understanding the future, thus people having Ketu

> exalted in the

> asecendant can fortell much of the future events

> easily than the rest

> of the astrologers such as the hidden dangers and

> fortunes etc.

> Whereas Mercury is good for learning astrology and

> use it as tool.

> Mercury aspected by Jupiter or conjunction of

> Mercury and Jupiter can

> also make astrologers. If you have more to ask you

> are welcome.

> > Bye now

> > A. Ramani.

> >

> >

> >

> > OM <explore_vulcan> wrote:

> > Namaste Gurus,

> > I wanted to know which is the planet responsible

> for astrology or

> in

> > other words which planets (in good position or

> exalted) make good

> > astrologers?

> >

> > Is it Ketu or Mercury...Infact Ketu is quite

> unhappy in Mer owned

> > houses (Gemini & Virgo) and Mercury is in turn

> quite "confused" in

> > Ketu's regions of exaltation (Scorpio and Pisces).

> >

> > Who's position or influence generates an in sight

> into astrology?

> >

> > Is it neither of them, both or any other planet

> too needs to be

> > considered?

> >

> > Regards

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear Tanvir,

Wonderful and enlightening words! Many thanks for sharing these thought!

Francoise

On 12/4/03 8:53, "Tanvir" <tanvir (AT) siriusbb (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Souvik Jee,

 

In my humble opinion,

 

1. A person who knows astrology,

2. A person who practises astrology as profession, and

3. A person who is spiritual

 

are all different matters. And in my opinion these all will be indicated by different facts.

 

The houses for spirituality are 8th and 12th and planets are saturn and ketu. So

"these planets" in "these houses" can give spirituality. Say, Ketu in 8th or

Saturn in 8th or 12th and so on. Since lagna is the personality, Ketu or Saturn

in lagna can also give spirituality. However if it is Saturn in lagna then it is

better to have it aspected by Ketu or Jupiter... esp Ju to make it "Satwic" /

positive [spirituality] than simply being cruel and mean [saturns negative

sides].

 

An astrologer might not be necessarily a very spiritual person. Say, Vedic

Astrology is related to religion and spirituality by nature, but western

astrology is not. In western astrology any prediction is a mere possibility

what we can change easily any time. That is far away from the original concept

of karma so nothing to be piritual there. That is why sometimes, the word

'Astrology' sounds so cheap to me since it tends to be 'western' and so

'Jyotish' or 'Vedic Astrology' seem to be the proper words for this Sastra.

 

On the other hand a spiritual person might not know astrology. In my view the

realization of karma, rebirth and people's debt to karmic chain, ie the

inability to change karma and realization of surrendering to the nature of

karma and the ultimate lord is spirituality. That is given by Ketu and Saturn

most of the times.

 

I have a female cousin who does not know astrology nor is so much religious but

the views she owns about life, religion, re-birth, destiny etc proves that she

i very spiritual. She is also a muslim like me and does not know much about

Hinduism but she believes in re-birth because her "intuition" says so. She has

Ketu in asc., by the way.

 

On the other hand a religious person might not be spiritual. Religious means

following the religion in strioct manner. [whatever religion, ie islam /

hinduism / buddhism / christianity etc.] Religion is the faith and consists of

worshipping, good behaviour, not doing bad things etc etc., but spirituality is

something with a deep 'core' and religiousness is kind of 'mild' to it. A man

might be religious by following his religion but he can not be spiritual unless

the 'realization' comes into his mind. Spirituality also consists of intuition,

sixth sense, super natural powers etc to some degree.

 

So it is all different. Spirituality is the 8th house and religion is the 9th.

Now why spirituality is the loss (12) of religion [sometimes] ? Because

sometimes spirituality [8th] can lead to black magic and tantrism if influenced

negatively, and so destroys dharma [9th]. Also 12th house is also a house of

spirituality, and so 12th to 9th is the 'second level' of consciousness and

spirituality.

 

On the other hand an astrologer might not have religiousness or spirituality,

because he might even be a cheater who cheats people to earn money. Merc makes

a man take astrology as a profession. Some say that the houses for astrology

are 5th and 2nd. I am not sure.

 

However a 'real' astrologer will definitely have good 8th and 9th houses because

he will be spiritual [8th] ie good realization of karma and rebirth etc., and he

will have to have the capability of healing people in satvic way that is the

9th. Anyway Ju can also denote the capacity of healing people in satvic way.

Say a strong Ju influencing 12th etc.

 

Though I knew some basic of astrology from childhoon, the real starting of my

Jyotisha was from 2001 when I started the Ad of Mars, who is the 8th lord of

spirituality, exalted in 5th house [knowledge]. So it happened in a spiritual

way, and since my 8th lord is giving me jyotish knowledge, it is giving me in a

spiritual way, ie remedies, mantras etc... [mantra is also from 5th house and

mars is in 5th house and in mars AD i first started mantras.]

 

Also the mars AD gave me the realization that we own no free will and are bound

in the chain of karmas to full fill the set of lessons and living a controlled,

pre planned life at the finger indication of the Lord. It changed my life a lot

and it gives a total different feeling of surrenderness to the Lord and gives

the realization that i AM a part of the nature and playing some pre planned,

important ROLES in the lives of people around me. That IS one of the imp

purposes of my birth.

 

So I think merc has to do with taking astrology as a profession but mercury can

not give spirituality [unless the 8th/12th lord etc]. Ke gives spirituality but

spirituality does not confirm being an astrologer either.

 

Best wishes,

Tanvir

 

 

 

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Mr. Tanvir Ji,

 

Thank you for this wonderful analysis. It helps me understand why,

maybe I am unable to put a chart together and come to a full

interpretation. Also, it is discouraging for me as i have many

planets in my 8th house and many text that I have read do not have

anything promising about the 8th house. I have saturn in my lagan

(gemini)with jupiter aspects lagan from my 9th house. Further,

mercury is in my 8th exchanging signs with saturn in my lagan. Also,

moon and ketu are in my 12th house. Though moon is exalted i presume

the energy is sucked by the presence of ketu. I have been told that I

have a very spiritual chart, except I always wondered why. Your

explaination was very good in helping me understand.

Thanks again for your wonderful insight.

 

shalu

, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote:

> Dear Souvik Jee,

>

> In my humble opinion,

>

> 1. A person who knows astrology,

> 2. A person who practises astrology as profession, and

> 3. A person who is spiritual

>

> are all different matters. And in my opinion these all will be

indicated by different facts.

>

> The houses for spirituality are 8th and 12th and planets are saturn

and ketu. So "these planets" in "these houses" can give spirituality.

Say, Ketu in 8th or Saturn in 8th or 12th and so on. Since lagna is

the personality, Ketu or Saturn in lagna can also give spirituality.

However if it is Saturn in lagna then it is better to have it

aspected by Ketu or Jupiter... esp Ju to make it "Satwic" / positive

[spirituality] than simply being cruel and mean [saturns negative

sides].

>

> An astrologer might not be necessarily a very spiritual person.

Say, Vedic Astrology is related to religion and spirituality by

nature, but western astrology is not. In western astrology any

prediction is a mere possibility what we can change easily any time.

That is far away from the original concept of karma so nothing to be

piritual there. That is why sometimes, the word 'Astrology' sounds so

cheap to me since it tends to be 'western' and so 'Jyotish' or 'Vedic

Astrology' seem to be the proper words for this Sastra.

>

> On the other hand a spiritual person might not know astrology. In

my view the realization of karma, rebirth and people's debt to karmic

chain, ie the inability to change karma and realization of

surrendering to the nature of karma and the ultimate lord is

spirituality. That is given by Ketu and Saturn most of the times.

>

> I have a female cousin who does not know astrology nor is so much

religious but the views she owns about life, religion, re-birth,

destiny etc proves that she i very spiritual. She is also a muslim

like me and does not know much about Hinduism but she believes in re-

birth because her "intuition" says so. She has Ketu in asc., by the

way.

>

> On the other hand a religious person might not be spiritual.

Religious means following the religion in strioct manner. [whatever

religion, ie islam / hinduism / buddhism / christianity etc.]

Religion is the faith and consists of worshipping, good behaviour,

not doing bad things etc etc., but spirituality is something with a

deep 'core' and religiousness is kind of 'mild' to it. A man might be

religious by following his religion but he can not be spiritual

unless the 'realization' comes into his mind. Spirituality also

consists of intuition, sixth sense, super natural powers etc to some

degree.

>

> So it is all different. Spirituality is the 8th house and religion

is the 9th. Now why spirituality is the loss (12) of religion

[sometimes] ? Because sometimes spirituality [8th] can lead to black

magic and tantrism if influenced negatively, and so destroys dharma

[9th]. Also 12th house is also a house of spirituality, and so 12th

to 9th is the 'second level' of consciousness and spirituality.

>

> On the other hand an astrologer might not have religiousness or

spirituality, because he might even be a cheater who cheats people to

earn money. Merc makes a man take astrology as a profession. Some say

that the houses for astrology are 5th and 2nd. I am not sure.

>

> However a 'real' astrologer will definitely have good 8th and 9th

houses because he will be spiritual [8th] ie good realization of

karma and rebirth etc., and he will have to have the capability of

healing people in satvic way that is the 9th. Anyway Ju can also

denote the capacity of healing people in satvic way. Say a strong Ju

influencing 12th etc.

>

> Though I knew some basic of astrology from childhoon, the real

starting of my Jyotisha was from 2001 when I started the Ad of Mars,

who is the 8th lord of spirituality, exalted in 5th house

[knowledge]. So it happened in a spiritual way, and since my 8th lord

is giving me jyotish knowledge, it is giving me in a spiritual way,

ie remedies, mantras etc... [mantra is also from 5th house and mars

is in 5th house and in mars AD i first started mantras.]

>

> Also the mars AD gave me the realization that we own no free will

and are bound in the chain of karmas to full fill the set of lessons

and living a controlled, pre planned life at the finger indication of

the Lord. It changed my life a lot and it gives a total different

feeling of surrenderness to the Lord and gives the realization that i

AM a part of the nature and playing some pre planned, important ROLES

in the lives of people around me. That IS one of the imp purposes of

my birth.

>

> So I think merc has to do with taking astrology as a profession but

mercury can not give spirituality [unless the 8th/12th lord etc]. Ke

gives spirituality but spirituality does not confirm being an

astrologer either.

>

> Best wishes,

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Mail tanvir@s...

> Personal http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> Astrology http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

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>

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> Souvik Dutta

>

> Tuesday, December 02, 2003 10:47 AM

> Tanvir, your views on Ketu vs Mercury & astrology

>

>

> Hi friends,

> I would like to know Tanvir's views on this subject of

> Ketu and Mer wrt Astrology!

> Regards,

> Souvik

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Happy to know that you have liked it :-)RegardsTanvir

 

 

 

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Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:28 PM

Re: Tanvir, your views on Ketu vs Mercury & astrology

Dear Tanvir,Wonderful and enlightening words! Many thanks for sharing these thought!Francoise

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Hi Shalu jee,

 

You can call me only Tanvir if you like.

 

Many planets in 8th house gives spiritual understanding and knowledge on such

topics, however it gives a lot of grief in life. It might also gives loneliness

and being cheated from people esp near ones. Because a planet in a house

influences it's affairs as per the rulership and basic nature of the planet,

and since many planets are there, some negatives sides of the house will be

enhanced.

 

You might sometimes have very very significant dreams which are indications of

true future events or something like, "God tells me about the future by my

dreams" etc. Journeys, foreign residence and foreign materials / informations

will greatly enrich your spirituality however your mind will be disturbed to

some degree if the moon is close to Ketu.

 

Thanks for the kind words.

 

Regards

Tanvir

 

 

 

What can not happen, can never happen.Which is mine, is forever mine. Tanvir

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shaluuu2000

 

Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:50 PM

Re: Tanvir, your views on Ketu vs Mercury & astrology

Mr. Tanvir Ji,Thank you for this wonderful analysis. It helps me understand why,

maybe I am unable to put a chart together and come to a full interpretation.

Also, it is discouraging for me as i have many planets in my 8th house and many

text that I have read do not have anything promising about the 8th house. I have

saturn in my lagan(gemini)with jupiter aspects lagan from my 9th house. Further,

mercury is in my 8th exchanging signs with saturn in my lagan. Also, moon and

ketu are in my 12th house. Though moon is exalted i presume the energy is

sucked by the presence of ketu. I have been told that I have a very spiritual

chart, except I always wondered why. Your explaination was very good in helping

me understand. Thanks again for your wonderful insight.shalu

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Mr. Tanvir

 

Please no ji, i am already going through an age denial, ji is going

to make me feel ancient.

I live in an extended family, and family has pretty much dominated my

life. So , i was not able to really have a social life. I am still

pretty much this way. So I cannot say I have ever felt lonliness, but

there are times when I wish I had more of a social life. My mind has

been disturbed only recently(since 200), maybe because I am going

through a Sade sati, and also the tail end of my rahu dasha. It is

true before having my mind disturbed I did have vivid dreams of

events that later came true (from 1996), and I really relied on this

gut instinct or intuition. However, I have not been having these

dreams for the last 3 yrs. I think it is because i need to go through

this uncertainity phase in my life. Hopefully things will be getting

better as I am now seven months into my jupiter dasha.

All the same I really appreciate the insight you and others have been

giving me.

Thanks

Shalu

 

 

, "Tanvir" <tanvir@s...> wrote:

> Hi Shalu jee,

>

> You can call me only Tanvir if you like.

>

> Many planets in 8th house gives spiritual understanding and

knowledge on such topics, however it gives a lot of grief in life. It

might also gives loneliness and being cheated from people esp near

ones. Because a planet in a house influences it's affairs as per the

rulership and basic nature of the planet, and since many planets are

there, some negatives sides of the house will be enhanced.

>

> You might sometimes have very very significant dreams which are

indications of true future events or something like, "God tells me

about the future by my dreams" etc. Journeys, foreign residence and

foreign materials / informations will greatly enrich your

spirituality however your mind will be disturbed to some degree if

the moon is close to Ketu.

>

> Thanks for the kind words.

>

> Regards

> Tanvir

>

>

>

> What can not happen, can never happen.

> Which is mine, is forever mine.

>

> Tanvir Chowdhury

> Mail tanvir@s...

> Personal http://www.geocities.com/king_tanvir

> Astrology http://www.geocities.com/planetaryastro

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>

>

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> shaluuu2000

>

> Thursday, December 04, 2003 8:50 PM

> Re: Tanvir, your views on Ketu vs Mercury &

astrology

>

>

>

> Mr. Tanvir Ji,

>

> Thank you for this wonderful analysis. It helps me understand

why,

> maybe I am unable to put a chart together and come to a full

> interpretation. Also, it is discouraging for me as i have many

> planets in my 8th house and many text that I have read do not

have

> anything promising about the 8th house. I have saturn in my lagan

> (gemini)with jupiter aspects lagan from my 9th house. Further,

> mercury is in my 8th exchanging signs with saturn in my lagan.

Also,

> moon and ketu are in my 12th house. Though moon is exalted i

presume

> the energy is sucked by the presence of ketu. I have been told

that I

> have a very spiritual chart, except I always wondered why. Your

> explaination was very good in helping me understand.

> Thanks again for your wonderful insight.

>

> shalu