Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 dear all, since i am unable to check all the msg of JR, kindly do not address me in any msg bec i will not be able to read them. if you want to take my attn. on something please send a carbon copy also to lord_narayana . however i will not be able to consult any chart or as such, this is just for an emergency. regards tanvir Owner and Moderator, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2004 Report Share Posted January 8, 2004 Tanvir, Regards to your previous mail ... I just wanted to say that we dont need science to come and justify religion ... science is an object of intellect and Religion is an object of faith .. somehow mixing them is like mixing tea and coffee and expecting to make good Yogurt !! Prophet is not scientific because he ate the banana after breaking it with hand ... breaking banana with hand is scientific because Prophet had done it ... because he is beyond science and he is absolute ... I would like to believe this .... This is just a personal view .. I somehow feel that we undermine our religion whenever we say .. "this religious or practice is correct because it is scientifically proven" hence this religion is good ... I am saying this because I have seen sooooo many times in past where people try to rationalize religion ... we dont need that ... sometime ago there was a mail on positive energy and negative energies in whatever we do to justify vaastu etc .... I think real progress in spirit starts when we go beyond these ... Islam is a very great religion ... and many things that I have seen about it are very dear to my heart .... You have given me just the right input to bury deeper into it and understand it's essence .. The underlying fact is that "there is nothing called blind faith ... faith itself is blind" - Ramakrishna paramahamsa .. and to bring science to justify faith is to kill faith ... This is just a personal view .... no offence ... lets be proud of our religions and try to see where they meet !! --- Tanvir Chowdhury <j_remedies wrote: > dear all, > > since i am unable to check all the msg of JR, kindly > do not address > me in any msg bec i will not be able to read them. > if you want to > take my attn. on something please send a carbon copy > also to > lord_narayana . however i will not be > able to consult any > chart or as such, this is just for an emergency. > > regards > tanvir > > Owner and Moderator, > . > > > > Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./signingbonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 thanks for the comments :-) in my opinion, science does not have the power or quality to justify religion. because in my view science is not 'enough' yet - since it can not explain so many things that we see happening everyday before us. there science fails. but on the other hand, in my opinion, blind faith is also not good. faith/trust should come for some logic, for some practical necessity and utility. say, i was 'made' follow islam by birth. but if i did not see something 'worth' in it, i would not be having much faith in it. in my daily life i find islam worth and nice, that is why i follow it. bec not for by born i was muslim but for i find something good in it. on the other hand, i practice and persue jyotish because i find something worth in it, same way. then the way of jyotish led me to mantras, some concepts and ideas of hinduism. since i see them working, i like hinduism and jyotish same way. i like those concepts and ideas. on the other hand if it was a *blind faith* then it would not be anything sensible. blind faith leads to have belief in superstitions and wrong paths. say, if astrology was a superstition, should we be practicing it? i would not. bec then it would b blind faith. some people just reject astrology even without exploring it. that is blind faith. because they belive that planets can not control lives. so they reject it without even knowing it. that is blind faith. and that is not good. so we should test and judge things before taking, that is my view :-) science does not have the maturity (yet) to justify higher things like spirituality or relgigion - bec religion is of god and he knows more than us and he knows anything before us. but on the other hand with the *little* limit of science, when any religious concept/behaviour proves worthy or good, then our faith becomes more and more strong, as it is supposed to be... not so? say as much we practice astrology, as much we believe in it. my faith on jyotish on today is a lot more stronger than the faith i had on it on the day i started. because as much as i explore, as much as i see it working and it strengthens my faith. on the other hand even after seeing astrology fake, if i stick to it, it would be blind faith and would not be anything good. each religion has good sides but then people sometimes become crazy and start becoming orthodox, that is the result of blind faith - and then, it makes the religion look wrong to people's eye. let me give you some practical examples. when people know i practice vedic astrology, they say that it is sin, against islam and so on. then a friendly and funny debate starts. then one sentence i defend myself with is, "brother, if you want to follow pure islam these days, you will have to end up going to jail !" why so? because as per islam a married man can marry again without his wife's permission. it was never needed bec islam hoped that there would be enough understanding between them that when the husband will marry again, it will not be against the concent of the wife. but days have changed and now as per law the husband will have to take written and legal permission of wife for second marriage. but if any orthodox muslim says that allah did not mention it to be necessary to take written permission, and then goes ahead without permission, then police will catch him down and send to jail !!! similarly some customs that was going on in hinduism, such as sati- dah, saha-maran etc., if you want to practice them these days, you would be given death penalty with the charge of a murder! bec days have changed. in islam it is strictly necessary that a girl covers her whole body than just wrist and eyes/face. because her body revealing to public might arouse people and make wrong thoughts and if these continues for days this will sometimes promote immoral activities and sexual crimes. It was needed for those days. But days are changed and now girls in west and even in India and Bangladesh are going out wearing sleeveless dresses, explosing all their hands and also belly and sometimes even more vulger dresses. So people are getting more used, and so, now days only showing hand will never arouse a person because from birth he is seeing a lot more. Now days to arouse a man a girl would really have to show more than just her arms or hands, say the elbow etc will not arouse anyone. People are already seeing alot more. So though Islam forbid to show even elbow, now days people are seeing so much so showing hands will not do anything bad. These days it came to the limit of tolerance and 'normal' and so these days we would just have to make sure that a girl is not showing really something. But if a girl wears a short sleeved shirt, that covers upto her elbow, that would be fine and nice, since covering upto elbow is enough. But for Islam it is sinful. But still our mind says it is not going to do anything bad so this is fine. People these days are used to much and will not be aroused this easily. So sometimes we just need not to have blind faith on something and see the mergin of things. The purpose of any religion is demonstrating peace and happiness, so when the purpose of the law is saved even after breaking the law for need to time/life, there is no harm. Say to control the traffic there are red lights and when they light you have to stop. But when you are driving in 3 AM and the road is empty - you really need not to obey the red light. Because though you break the law, it is not gonna break the purpose, that is enough. But at an empty road stopping your car for red light is silly and that is nothing than blind faith :-) Regards Tanvir , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Tanvir, > > Regards to your previous mail ... I just wanted to say > that we dont need science to come and justify religion > .. science is an object of intellect and Religion is > an object of faith .. somehow mixing them is like > mixing tea and coffee and expecting to make good > Yogurt !! > > Prophet is not scientific because he ate the banana > after breaking it with hand ... breaking banana with > hand is scientific because Prophet had done it ... > because he is beyond science and he is absolute ... I > would like to believe this .... > > This is just a personal view .. I somehow feel that we > undermine our religion whenever we say .. "this > religious or practice is correct because it is > scientifically proven" hence this religion is good ... > I am saying this because I have seen sooooo many times > in past where people try to rationalize religion ... > we dont need that ... sometime ago there was a mail on > positive energy and negative energies in whatever we > do to justify vaastu etc .... I think real progress in > spirit starts when we go beyond these ... > > Islam is a very great religion ... and many things > that I have seen about it are very dear to my heart > ... You have given me just the right input to bury > deeper into it and understand it's essence .. > > The underlying fact is that "there is nothing called > blind faith ... faith itself is blind" - Ramakrishna > paramahamsa .. and to bring science to justify faith > is to kill faith ... This is just a personal view > ... no offence ... lets be proud of our religions and > try to see where they meet !! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2004 Report Share Posted February 19, 2004 Faith When i am continuously being battered by the stroms of life and my very spirit is ebbing away then all i need to do is to hang on to that gift called Faith that one support which will weather out the storms. Faith does not require logic only belief belief in the self and the strength that lies within.Faith is the seed of all miracles and the foundation for making the impossible possible. rdsTanvir Chowdhury <j_remedies (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote: thanks for the comments :-) in my opinion, science does not have the power or quality to justify religion. because in my view science is not 'enough' yet - since it can not explain so many things that we see happening everyday before us. there science fails.but on the other hand, in my opinion, blind faith is also not good. faith/trust should come for some logic, for some practical necessity and utility. say, i was 'made' follow islam by birth. but if i did not see something 'worth' in it, i would not be having much faith in it. in my daily life i find islam worth and nice, that is why i follow it. bec not for by born i was muslim but for i find something good in it.on the other hand, i practice and persue jyotish because i find something worth in it, same way. then the way of jyotish led me to mantras, some concepts and ideas of hinduism. since i see them working, i like hinduism and jyotish same way. i like those concepts and ideas.on the other hand if it was a *blind faith* then it would not be anything sensible. blind faith leads to have belief in superstitions and wrong paths. say, if astrology was a superstition, should we be practicing it? i would not. bec then it would b blind faith.some people just reject astrology even without exploring it. that is blind faith. because they belive that planets can not control lives. so they reject it without even knowing it. that is blind faith. and that is not good.so we should test and judge things before taking, that is my view :-)science does not have the maturity (yet) to justify higher things like spirituality or relgigion - bec religion is of god and he knows more than us and he knows anything before us. but on the other hand with the *little* limit of science, when any religious concept/behaviour proves worthy or good, then our faith becomes more and more strong, as it is supposed to be... not so?say as much we practice astrology, as much we believe in it. my faith on jyotish on today is a lot more stronger than the faith i had on it on the day i started. because as much as i explore, as much as i see it working and it strengthens my faith. on the other hand even after seeing astrology fake, if i stick to it, it would be blind faith and would not be anything good.each religion has good sides but then people sometimes become crazy and start becoming orthodox, that is the result of blind faith - and then, it makes the religion look wrong to people's eye.let me give you some practical examples. when people know i practice vedic astrology, they say that it is sin, against islam and so on. then a friendly and funny debate starts. then one sentence i defend myself with is, "brother, if you want to follow pure islam these days, you will have to end up going to jail !" why so? because as per islam a married man can marry again without his wife's permission. it was never needed bec islam hoped that there would be enough understanding between them that when the husband will marry again, it will not be against the concent of the wife. but days have changed and now as per law the husband will have to take written and legal permission of wife for second marriage. but if any orthodox muslim says that allah did not mention it to be necessary to take written permission, and then goes ahead without permission, then police will catch him down and send to jail !!!similarly some customs that was going on in hinduism, such as sati-dah, saha-maran etc., if you want to practice them these days, you would be given death penalty with the charge of a murder! bec days have changed.in islam it is strictly necessary that a girl covers her whole body than just wrist and eyes/face. because her body revealing to public might arouse people and make wrong thoughts and if these continues for days this will sometimes promote immoral activities and sexual crimes. It was needed for those days.But days are changed and now girls in west and even in India and Bangladesh are going out wearing sleeveless dresses, explosing all their hands and also belly and sometimes even more vulger dresses. So people are getting more used, and so, now days only showing hand will never arouse a person because from birth he is seeing a lot more. Now days to arouse a man a girl would really have to show more than just her arms or hands, say the elbow etc will not arouse anyone. People are already seeing alot more. So though Islam forbid to show even elbow, now days people are seeing so much so showing hands will not do anything bad. These days it came to the limit of tolerance and 'normal' and so these days we would just have to make sure that a girl is not showing really something. But if a girl wears a short sleeved shirt, that covers upto her elbow, that would be fine and nice, since covering upto elbow is enough. But for Islam it is sinful. But still our mind says it is not going to do anything bad so this is fine. People these days are used to much and will not be aroused this easily.So sometimes we just need not to have blind faith on something and see the mergin of things. The purpose of any religion is demonstrating peace and happiness, so when the purpose of the law is saved even after breaking the law for need to time/life, there is no harm. Say to control the traffic there are red lights and when they light you have to stop. But when you are driving in 3 AM and the road is empty - you really need not to obey the red light. Because though you break the law, it is not gonna break the purpose, that is enough. But at an empty road stopping your car for red light is silly and that is nothing than blind faith :-)RegardsTanvir--- In , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote:> Tanvir,> > Regards to your previous mail ... I just wanted to say> that we dont need science to come and justify religion> .. science is an object of intellect and Religion is> an object of faith .. somehow mixing them is like> mixing tea and coffee and expecting to make good> Yogurt !!> > Prophet is not scientific because he ate the banana> after breaking it with hand ... breaking banana with> hand is scientific because Prophet had done it ...> because he is beyond science and he is absolute ... I> would like to believe this ....> > This is just a personal view .. I somehow feel that we> undermine our religion whenever we say .. "this> religious or practice is correct because it is> scientifically proven" hence this religion is good ...> I am saying this because I have seen sooooo many times> in past where people try to rationalize religion ...> we dont need that ... sometime ago there was a mail on> positive energy and negative energies in whatever we> do to justify vaastu etc .... I think real progress in> spirit starts when we go beyond these ....> > Islam is a very great religion ... and many things> that I have seen about it are very dear to my heart> ... You have given me just the right input to bury> deeper into it and understand it's essence .. > > The underlying fact is that "there is nothing called> blind faith ... faith itself is blind" - Ramakrishna> paramahamsa .. and to bring science to justify faith> is to kill faith ... This is just a personal view> ... no offence ... lets be proud of our religions and> try to see where they meet !! > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of is subject to the Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 Hello Sara, Intellect & instinct should be used to decide whome to invest faith in .. and once faith sets in there should be no looking back ... that';s what I believe ... I believe that;s what tanvir is also saying .. in the words of ramakrishna paramahamsa "There is no blind faith .. faith itself is blind" thanks for the mail --- sara sally <ssrc22 wrote: > Just go thru this pls -written by age old heads > Faith > When i am continuously being battered > by the stroms of life and my very spirit is > ebbing away then all i need to do is to > hang on to that gift called Faith that one > support which will weather out the storms. > Faith does not require logic only belief > belief in the self and the strength that > lies within.Faith is the seed of all miracles > and the foundation for making the impossible > possible. > > rds > > Tanvir Chowdhury <j_remedies wrote: > thanks for the comments :-) in my opinion, science > does not have the > power or quality to justify religion. because in my > view science is > not 'enough' yet - since it can not explain so many > things that we > see happening everyday before us. there science > fails. > > but on the other hand, in my opinion, blind faith is > also not good. > faith/trust should come for some logic, for some > practical necessity > and utility. say, i was 'made' follow islam by > birth. but if i did > not see something 'worth' in it, i would not be > having much faith in > it. in my daily life i find islam worth and nice, > that is why i > follow it. bec not for by born i was muslim but for > i find something > good in it. > > on the other hand, i practice and persue jyotish > because i find > something worth in it, same way. then the way of > jyotish led me to > mantras, some concepts and ideas of hinduism. since > i see them > working, i like hinduism and jyotish same way. i > like those concepts > and ideas. > > on the other hand if it was a *blind faith* then it > would not be > anything sensible. blind faith leads to have belief > in superstitions > and wrong paths. say, if astrology was a > superstition, should we be > practicing it? i would not. bec then it would b > blind faith. > > some people just reject astrology even without > exploring it. that is > blind faith. because they belive that planets can > not control lives. > so they reject it without even knowing it. that is > blind faith. and > that is not good. > > so we should test and judge things before taking, > that is my view :-) > > science does not have the maturity (yet) to justify > higher things > like spirituality or relgigion - bec religion is of > god and he knows > more than us and he knows anything before us. but on > the other hand > with the *little* limit of science, when any > religious > concept/behaviour proves worthy or good, then our > faith becomes more > and more strong, as it is supposed to be... not so? > > say as much we practice astrology, as much we > believe in it. my faith > on jyotish on today is a lot more stronger than the > faith i had on it > on the day i started. because as much as i explore, > as much as i see > it working and it strengthens my faith. on the other > hand even after > seeing astrology fake, if i stick to it, it would be > blind faith and > would not be anything good. > > each religion has good sides but then people > sometimes become crazy > and start becoming orthodox, that is the result of > blind faith - and > then, it makes the religion look wrong to people's > eye. > > let me give you some practical examples. when people > know i practice > vedic astrology, they say that it is sin, against > islam and so on. > then a friendly and funny debate starts. then one > sentence i defend > myself with is, "brother, if you want to follow pure > islam these > days, you will have to end up going to jail !" why > so? because as per > islam a married man can marry again without his > wife's permission. it > was never needed bec islam hoped that there would be > enough > understanding between them that when the husband > will marry again, it > will not be against the concent of the wife. but > days have changed > and now as per law the husband will have to take > written and legal > permission of wife for second marriage. but if any > orthodox muslim > says that allah did not mention it to be necessary > to take written > permission, and then goes ahead without permission, > then police will > catch him down and send to jail !!! > > similarly some customs that was going on in > hinduism, such as sati- > dah, saha-maran etc., if you want to practice them > these days, you > would be given death penalty with the charge of a > murder! bec days > have changed. > > in islam it is strictly necessary that a girl covers > her whole body > than just wrist and eyes/face. because her body > revealing to public > might arouse people and make wrong thoughts and if > these continues > for days this will sometimes promote immoral > activities and sexual > crimes. It was needed for those days. > > But days are changed and now girls in west and even > in India and > Bangladesh are going out wearing sleeveless dresses, > explosing all > their hands and also belly and sometimes even more > vulger dresses. So > people are getting more used, and so, now days only > showing hand will > never arouse a person because from birth he is > seeing a lot more. Now > days to arouse a man a girl would really have to > show more than just > her arms or hands, say the elbow etc will not arouse > anyone. People > are already seeing alot more. So though Islam forbid > to show even > elbow, now days people are seeing so much so showing > hands will not > do anything bad. These days it came to the limit of > tolerance > and 'normal' and so these days we would just have to > make sure that a > girl is not showing really something. But if a girl > wears a short > sleeved shirt, that covers upto her elbow, that > would be fine and > nice, since covering upto elbow is enough. But for > Islam it is > sinful. But still our mind says it is not going to > do anything bad so > this is fine. People these days are used to much and > will not be > aroused this easily. > > So sometimes we just need not to have blind faith on > something and > see the mergin of things. The purpose of any > religion is > demonstrating peace and happiness, so when the > purpose of the law is > saved even after breaking the law for need to > time/life, there is no > harm. Say to control the traffic there are red > lights and when they > light you have to stop. But when you are driving in > 3 AM and the road > is empty - you really need not to obey the red > light. Because though > you break the law, it is not gonna break the > purpose, that is enough. > But at an empty road stopping your car for red light > is silly and > that is nothing than blind faith :-) > > Regards > === message truncated === Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 >"There is no blind > faith .. faith itself is blind" Beautifully said. --Sanjay Aggarwal , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello Sara, > > Intellect & instinct should be used to decide whome to > invest faith in .. and once faith sets in there should > be no looking back ... that';s what I believe ... > > I believe that;s what tanvir is also saying .. in the > words of ramakrishna paramahamsa "There is no blind > faith .. faith itself is blind" > > thanks for the mail > > --- sara sally <ssrc22> wrote: > > Just go thru this pls -written by age old heads > > Faith > > When i am continuously being battered > > by the stroms of life and my very spirit is > > ebbing away then all i need to do is to > > hang on to that gift called Faith that one > > support which will weather out the storms. > > Faith does not require logic only belief > > belief in the self and the strength that > > lies within.Faith is the seed of all miracles > > and the foundation for making the impossible > > possible. > > > > rds > > > > Tanvir Chowdhury <j_remedies@l...> wrote: > > thanks for the comments :-) in my opinion, science > > does not have the > > power or quality to justify religion. because in my > > view science is > > not 'enough' yet - since it can not explain so many > > things that we > > see happening everyday before us. there science > > fails. > > > > but on the other hand, in my opinion, blind faith is > > also not good. > > faith/trust should come for some logic, for some > > practical necessity > > and utility. say, i was 'made' follow islam by > > birth. but if i did > > not see something 'worth' in it, i would not be > > having much faith in > > it. in my daily life i find islam worth and nice, > > that is why i > > follow it. bec not for by born i was muslim but for > > i find something > > good in it. > > > > on the other hand, i practice and persue jyotish > > because i find > > something worth in it, same way. then the way of > > jyotish led me to > > mantras, some concepts and ideas of hinduism. since > > i see them > > working, i like hinduism and jyotish same way. i > > like those concepts > > and ideas. > > > > on the other hand if it was a *blind faith* then it > > would not be > > anything sensible. blind faith leads to have belief > > in superstitions > > and wrong paths. say, if astrology was a > > superstition, should we be > > practicing it? i would not. bec then it would b > > blind faith. > > > > some people just reject astrology even without > > exploring it. that is > > blind faith. because they belive that planets can > > not control lives. > > so they reject it without even knowing it. that is > > blind faith. and > > that is not good. > > > > so we should test and judge things before taking, > > that is my view :-) > > > > science does not have the maturity (yet) to justify > > higher things > > like spirituality or relgigion - bec religion is of > > god and he knows > > more than us and he knows anything before us. but on > > the other hand > > with the *little* limit of science, when any > > religious > > concept/behaviour proves worthy or good, then our > > faith becomes more > > and more strong, as it is supposed to be... not so? > > > > say as much we practice astrology, as much we > > believe in it. my faith > > on jyotish on today is a lot more stronger than the > > faith i had on it > > on the day i started. because as much as i explore, > > as much as i see > > it working and it strengthens my faith. on the other > > hand even after > > seeing astrology fake, if i stick to it, it would be > > blind faith and > > would not be anything good. > > > > each religion has good sides but then people > > sometimes become crazy > > and start becoming orthodox, that is the result of > > blind faith - and > > then, it makes the religion look wrong to people's > > eye. > > > > let me give you some practical examples. when people > > know i practice > > vedic astrology, they say that it is sin, against > > islam and so on. > > then a friendly and funny debate starts. then one > > sentence i defend > > myself with is, "brother, if you want to follow pure > > islam these > > days, you will have to end up going to jail !" why > > so? because as per > > islam a married man can marry again without his > > wife's permission. it > > was never needed bec islam hoped that there would be > > enough > > understanding between them that when the husband > > will marry again, it > > will not be against the concent of the wife. but > > days have changed > > and now as per law the husband will have to take > > written and legal > > permission of wife for second marriage. but if any > > orthodox muslim > > says that allah did not mention it to be necessary > > to take written > > permission, and then goes ahead without permission, > > then police will > > catch him down and send to jail !!! > > > > similarly some customs that was going on in > > hinduism, such as sati- > > dah, saha-maran etc., if you want to practice them > > these days, you > > would be given death penalty with the charge of a > > murder! bec days > > have changed. > > > > in islam it is strictly necessary that a girl covers > > her whole body > > than just wrist and eyes/face. because her body > > revealing to public > > might arouse people and make wrong thoughts and if > > these continues > > for days this will sometimes promote immoral > > activities and sexual > > crimes. It was needed for those days. > > > > But days are changed and now girls in west and even > > in India and > > Bangladesh are going out wearing sleeveless dresses, > > explosing all > > their hands and also belly and sometimes even more > > vulger dresses. So > > people are getting more used, and so, now days only > > showing hand will > > never arouse a person because from birth he is > > seeing a lot more. Now > > days to arouse a man a girl would really have to > > show more than just > > her arms or hands, say the elbow etc will not arouse > > anyone. People > > are already seeing alot more. So though Islam forbid > > to show even > > elbow, now days people are seeing so much so showing > > hands will not > > do anything bad. These days it came to the limit of > > tolerance > > and 'normal' and so these days we would just have to > > make sure that a > > girl is not showing really something. But if a girl > > wears a short > > sleeved shirt, that covers upto her elbow, that > > would be fine and > > nice, since covering upto elbow is enough. But for > > Islam it is > > sinful. But still our mind says it is not going to > > do anything bad so > > this is fine. People these days are used to much and > > will not be > > aroused this easily. > > > > So sometimes we just need not to have blind faith on > > something and > > see the mergin of things. The purpose of any > > religion is > > demonstrating peace and happiness, so when the > > purpose of the law is > > saved even after breaking the law for need to > > time/life, there is no > > harm. Say to control the traffic there are red > > lights and when they > > light you have to stop. But when you are driving in > > 3 AM and the road > > is empty - you really need not to obey the red > > light. Because though > > you break the law, it is not gonna break the > > purpose, that is enough. > > But at an empty road stopping your car for red light > > is silly and > > that is nothing than blind faith :-) > > > > Regards > > > === message truncated === > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2004 Report Share Posted February 20, 2004 "Intellect & instinct should be used to decide whom toinvest faith in .. and once faith sets in there shouldbe no looking back ... that';s what I believe ...." I couldnt resist replying.. Beautiful thoughts Manoshi surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: Hello Sara,Intellect & instinct should be used to decide whome toinvest faith in ... and once faith sets in there shouldbe no looking back ... that';s what I believe ...I believe that;s what tanvir is also saying .. in thewords of ramakrishna paramahamsa "There is no blindfaith .. faith itself is blind" :)thanks for the mail --- sara sally <ssrc22 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> Just go thru this pls -written by age old heads> Faith> When i am continuously being battered> by the stroms of life and my very spirit is> ebbing away then all i need to do is to > hang on to that gift called Faith that one> support which will weather out the storms.> Faith does not require logic only belief> belief in the self and the strength that> lies within.Faith is the seed of all miracles> and the foundation for making the impossible> possible.> > rds> > Tanvir Chowdhury <j_remedies (AT) lycos (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> thanks for the comments :-) in my opinion, science> does not have the > power or quality to justify religion. because in my> view science is > not 'enough' yet - since it can not explain so many> things that we > see happening everyday before us. there science> fails.> > but on the other hand, in my opinion, blind faith is> also not good. > faith/trust should come for some logic, for some> practical necessity > and utility. say, i was 'made' follow islam by> birth. but if i did > not see something 'worth' in it, i would not be> having much faith in > it. in my daily life i find islam worth and nice,> that is why i > follow it. bec not for by born i was muslim but for> i find something > good in it.> > on the other hand, i practice and persue jyotish> because i find > something worth in it, same way. then the way of> jyotish led me to > mantras, some concepts and ideas of hinduism. since> i see them > working, i like hinduism and jyotish same way. i> like those concepts > and ideas.> > on the other hand if it was a *blind faith* then it> would not be > anything sensible. blind faith leads to have belief> in superstitions > and wrong paths. say, if astrology was a> superstition, should we be > practicing it? i would not. bec then it would b> blind faith.> > some people just reject astrology even without> exploring it. that is > blind faith. because they belive that planets can> not control lives. > so they reject it without even knowing it. that is> blind faith. and > that is not good.> > so we should test and judge things before taking,> that is my view :-)> > science does not have the maturity (yet) to justify> higher things > like spirituality or relgigion - bec religion is of> god and he knows > more than us and he knows anything before us. but on> the other hand > with the *little* limit of science, when any> religious > concept/behaviour proves worthy or good, then our> faith becomes more > and more strong, as it is supposed to be... not so?> > say as much we practice astrology, as much we> believe in it. my faith > on jyotish on today is a lot more stronger than the> faith i had on it > on the day i started. because as much as i explore,> as much as i see > it working and it strengthens my faith. on the other> hand even after > seeing astrology fake, if i stick to it, it would be> blind faith and > would not be anything good.> > each religion has good sides but then people> sometimes become crazy > and start becoming orthodox, that is the result of> blind faith - and > then, it makes the religion look wrong to people's> eye.> > let me give you some practical examples. when people> know i practice > vedic astrology, they say that it is sin, against> islam and so on. > then a friendly and funny debate starts. then one> sentence i defend > myself with is, "brother, if you want to follow pure> islam these > days, you will have to end up going to jail !" why> so? because as per > islam a married man can marry again without his> wife's permission. it > was never needed bec islam hoped that there would be> enough > understanding between them that when the husband> will marry again, it > will not be against the concent of the wife. but> days have changed > and now as per law the husband will have to take> written and legal > permission of wife for second marriage. but if any> orthodox muslim > says that allah did not mention it to be necessary> to take written > permission, and then goes ahead without permission,> then police will > catch him down and send to jail !!!> > similarly some customs that was going on in> hinduism, such as sati-> dah, saha-maran etc., if you want to practice them> these days, you > would be given death penalty with the charge of a> murder! bec days > have changed.> > in islam it is strictly necessary that a girl covers> her whole body > than just wrist and eyes/face. because her body> revealing to public > might arouse people and make wrong thoughts and if> these continues > for days this will sometimes promote immoral> activities and sexual > crimes. It was needed for those days.> > But days are changed and now girls in west and even> in India and > Bangladesh are going out wearing sleeveless dresses,> explosing all > their hands and also belly and sometimes even more> vulger dresses. So > people are getting more used, and so, now days only> showing hand will > never arouse a person because from birth he is> seeing a lot more. Now > days to arouse a man a girl would really have to> show more than just > her arms or hands, say the elbow etc will not arouse> anyone. People > are already seeing alot more. So though Islam forbid> to show even > elbow, now days people are seeing so much so showing> hands will not > do anything bad. These days it came to the limit of> tolerance > and 'normal' and so these days we would just have to> make sure that a > girl is not showing really something. But if a girl> wears a short > sleeved shirt, that covers upto her elbow, that> would be fine and > nice, since covering upto elbow is enough. But for> Islam it is > sinful. But still our mind says it is not going to> do anything bad so > this is fine. People these days are used to much and> will not be > aroused this easily.> > So sometimes we just need not to have blind faith on> something and > see the mergin of things. The purpose of any> religion is > demonstrating peace and happiness, so when the> purpose of the law is > saved even after breaking the law for need to> time/life, there is no > harm. Say to control the traffic there are red> lights and when they > light you have to stop. But when you are driving in> 3 AM and the road > is empty - you really need not to obey the red> light. Because though > you break the law, it is not gonna break the> purpose, that is enough. > But at an empty road stopping your car for red light> is silly and > that is nothing than blind faith :-)> > Regards> === message truncated === Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.http://antispam./tools~! 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Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Hello Sara, > > Intellect & instinct should be used to decide whome to > invest faith in .. and once faith sets in there should > be no looking back ... that';s what I believe ... Exactly... it is about 'investing' the faith or selecting the person/school/custom you would trust/have faith in. Otherwise, having faith in wrong selection gives you nothing at the end... Regards, Tanvir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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