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OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA

 

Dear Memebers:

 

Mahashivaratri is soon to arrive Jan 18 in India and

Jan 19 in the USA.

 

As was wondering if anyone in this great site could

help me in this. I am looking for any inforamtion

related to OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA all the way from opinions,

feelings, objective or subjective opinions. Also if

any one one knows Gurus, Saints or people that have

used OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA to achieve their goals. This way

I can go and do more research.

 

Does anyone also know any Siddhis that come about from

doing Japa of OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA.

 

Any information will help. Thank You

 

Jose Rosa

 

 

 

--- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote:

> ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

>

> Dear Jose,

>

> Yes, I meant 125,000. In India it is a common

> practice

> to put one more comma.

>

> No, I don't know siddhis about "Om Namah Shivaya".

>

> Regards,

>

> Neeraj Gupta

> --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > Dear Neeraj:

> >

> > The number 1,25,000 has an extra comma/ Let me

> know

> > if

> > you meant 125,000. Thank You

> >

> > Also do you know anything related to Siddhis for

> OM

> > NAMAH SHIVAYA? Meaning certain Mantras have

> > particular

> > Siddhis and application. Do you know of any saints

> > you

> > have done Japa or OM NAMAH SHIVAYA? Any thing

> would

> > help in my quest for knowledge.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Jose

> >

> > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000

> > wrote:

> > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > >

> > > Dear Jose,

> > >

> > > Yes, you are very correct. If one has undying

> > faith

> > > in

> > > the mantra, it will work. Some mantras are

> > > recommended

> > > to be taken by guru, but again, faith or bhakti

> is

> > > superior to all.

> > >

> > > It's not the way how you worship (mantra, aarti,

> > > reciting names, Japa, Homam, Yaga), but the

> > feelings

> > > matter more. The way one finds comfortable, it

> is

> > > good.

> > >

> > > I have read somewhere that one attains siddhi

> > after

> > > reciting it 1,25,000 times. I daily recite one

> > mala,

> > > not more. Let it go slowly and cool way. Not in

> a

> > > hurry. I am happy with it. While reciting it, I

> > see

> > > myself in front of lord shiva, cleaning there

> feet

> > > and

> > > then offering some flowers and then giving him

> > > bhoga.

> > >

> > > Again, one should do as one feels comfortable.

> No

> > > special rules.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Neeraj Gupta

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neeraj:

> > > >

> > > > I am very interested in this particular chant.

> > For

> > > I

> > > > have been chanting OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and have

> had

> > > > very good results. Out of the many mantras I

> > have

> > > > encountered OM NAMAH SHIVAYA has been the one

> > for

> > > > me. I have tried to research this Mantra found

> > > some

> > > > useful information and have learned But there

> > is

> > > > one thing thing that stands out in my many

> > studies

> > > > and experiences. '"TRUE BHAKTI IS FAR SUPERIOR

> > TO

> > > > MERE RITUALS."

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Here is an answer from a Vedic Priest here in

> > > > America.

> > > >

> > > > Question :

> > > >

> > > > I have heard the one must receive a mantra

> from

> > a

> > > > guru for it to work. Is this true?

> > > >

> > > > Answer:

> > > >

> > > > Those who have unwrapped the power of a mantra

> > > > through many repetitions achieve something

> > called

> > > > "Mantra Siddhi." This means that they have

> > > attained

> > > > some measure of power and proficiency with the

> > > > mantra. At this point, they may give a mantra

> to

> > > > others "with power," meaning that the

> recipient

> > > will

> > > > achieve results faster than doing it without

> > > having

> > > > received it "with power." However, Sanskrit

> > > mantras

> > > > are your spiritual birthright since they are

> > > > directly linked to the chakras. They will work

> > > even

> > > > if you read them from a book and begin

> practice.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > The minimum number of repetitions to

> > achieve

> > > > Mantra Siddhi is generally recognized as

> > 125,000.

> > > >

> > > > Please clarify your number below and also can

> > you

> > > > tell me more on OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. For example

> > > there

> > > > are many Mantras that have particular

> > applications

> > > > and Siddhis that will be developed. Thank You

> > for

> > > > your time.

> > > >

> > > > Dear Members jump in at anytime if you like to

> > > share

> > > > any information on OM NAMAH SHIVAYA.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely

> > > >

> > > > Jose Rosa

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000

> > wrote:

> > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > > >

> > > > Dear Tanvir Bhai,

> > > >

> > > > Salaam and Namaste. Just Recite "Om Namah

> > Shivaya"

> > > > without adding Om in the end. Om Namah Shivaya

> > is

> > > a

> > > > para-siddha mantra and cannot harm anybody. It

> > can

> > > > be

> > > > used by anybody for general well being. Do the

> > > japa

> > > > on

> > > > Rudraksha Mala and if possible keep a

> shivalinga

> > > in

> > > > front of you. It gives results very slowly as

> > what

> > > I

> > > > have read. It is said that the mantra becomes

> > > siddha

> > > > when one has recited it 1,25,000 times.

> > > >

> > > > I recite "Om Namah Shivaya" every morning 108

> > > times

> > > > (facing towards east) and then wear The

> > Rudraksha

> > > > Combination Pedant.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

>

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Dear Jose,

 

The very thought of Lord shiva sometimes makes me cry

.... such is the beauty of this gentleman that he can

make u weak with love for him ...

 

I have been yelling from the top of my voice for such

a long time .. and this is probably going to be the

last time .. do not use the panchakshari mantra or any

other mantra without the initiation from a guru ... at

least if you want to do "OM namaha shivaya" then put a

disciplined schedule and do it for a pre decided

number of times ... the reason why I am telling u to

go for a guru is because there are different stages of

realising mantras ... and each stage has a beauty of

its own ... and it is very essential that you get

initiated and are under if you want to use this mantra

in a meditative style which is the surest path of

acheieving the mantra and the diety presiding it ....

 

I am sure you wouldnt want to meddle with psychology

or hypnotism without the supervision of a person

authorized to do so ... it's the same with mantras ...

I am telling you this because I have learnt this the

hard way ...

 

when a mantra is given to a disciple by a guru (its

debatable as to who is fit to be a guru int he first

place) the prana of the mantra is instilled into the

person by the guru as he utters it ... only when this

happens using a mantra will give you the results it

should ... It's ok if you just want to do the

panchakshari not as a meditative process but just as a

prayer .. but here too pre decide a time and stick to

it .. (ideally the brahmi muhurtas 4-8 morning or

evening .. even within this 6-7 is the ideal time) ..

would be good ..

 

Regarding siddhis ... Om namaha shivaya wont lead you

to siddhis ... but it will lead you to higher reaches

... siddhis in yogi parlance are like sweeping the

floor and samadhi is like building a castle ... it's

upto u what you want to do ... the problems wiht

siddhis is that they lead you away from the actual aim

of spirituality ...

 

I have seen a person (I am a witness to this) empty a

egg infront of my eyes without touching it ... in 5

mins !!! ... the egg was intact but was very light

when i picked it and empty when I broke it !!! .. but

it took the person some 5 years to develop that

ability ... !!!

 

people who go into samadhi wont really know how to use

something like laghuma or garima (two of the asta

siddhis) but if necessary they can summon the siddhis

at will ... this is what I have been told by someone

who I feel is qualified to say so ... but has not been

a part of my experience ...

 

If siddhis are your end goal (eventually all will lead

you to the same goal in different intervals of time)

then I reckon you should go for kundalini yoga ...

believe me it works !!! ...

 

take care

 

 

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA

>

> Dear Memebers:

>

> Mahashivaratri is soon to arrive Jan 18 in India and

> Jan 19 in the USA.

>

> As was wondering if anyone in this great site could

> help me in this. I am looking for any inforamtion

> related to OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA all the way from

> opinions,

> feelings, objective or subjective opinions. Also if

> any one one knows Gurus, Saints or people that have

> used OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA to achieve their goals. This

> way

> I can go and do more research.

>

> Does anyone also know any Siddhis that come about

> from

> doing Japa of OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA.

>

> Any information will help. Thank You

>

> Jose Rosa

>

>

>

> --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000

> wrote:

> > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> >

> > Dear Jose,

> >

> > Yes, I meant 125,000. In India it is a common

> > practice

> > to put one more comma.

> >

> > No, I don't know siddhis about "Om Namah Shivaya".

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Neeraj Gupta

> > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > > Dear Neeraj:

> > >

> > > The number 1,25,000 has an extra comma/ Let me

> > know

> > > if

> > > you meant 125,000. Thank You

> > >

> > > Also do you know anything related to Siddhis for

> > OM

> > > NAMAH SHIVAYA? Meaning certain Mantras have

> > > particular

> > > Siddhis and application. Do you know of any

> saints

> > > you

> > > have done Japa or OM NAMAH SHIVAYA? Any thing

> > would

> > > help in my quest for knowledge.

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > >

> > > Jose

> > >

> > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000

> > > wrote:

> > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jose,

> > > >

> > > > Yes, you are very correct. If one has undying

> > > faith

> > > > in

> > > > the mantra, it will work. Some mantras are

> > > > recommended

> > > > to be taken by guru, but again, faith or

> bhakti

> > is

> > > > superior to all.

> > > >

> > > > It's not the way how you worship (mantra,

> aarti,

> > > > reciting names, Japa, Homam, Yaga), but the

> > > feelings

> > > > matter more. The way one finds comfortable, it

> > is

> > > > good.

> > > >

> > > > I have read somewhere that one attains siddhi

> > > after

> > > > reciting it 1,25,000 times. I daily recite one

> > > mala,

> > > > not more. Let it go slowly and cool way. Not

> in

> > a

> > > > hurry. I am happy with it. While reciting it,

> I

> > > see

> > > > myself in front of lord shiva, cleaning there

> > feet

> > > > and

> > > > then offering some flowers and then giving him

> > > > bhoga.

> > > >

> > > > Again, one should do as one feels comfortable.

> > No

> > > > special rules.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Neeraj Gupta

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAYA

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neeraj:

> > > > >

> > > > > I am very interested in this particular

> chant.

> > > For

> > > > I

> > > > > have been chanting OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and have

> > had

> > > > > very good results. Out of the many mantras I

> > > have

> > > > > encountered OM NAMAH SHIVAYA has been the

> one

> > > for

> > > > > me. I have tried to research this Mantra

> found

> > > > some

> > > > > useful information and have learned But

> there

> > > is

> > > > > one thing thing that stands out in my many

> > > studies

> > > > > and experiences. '"TRUE BHAKTI IS FAR

> SUPERIOR

> > > TO

> > > > > MERE RITUALS."

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is an answer from a Vedic Priest here

> in

> > > > > America.

> > > > >

> > > > > Question :

> > > > >

> > > > > I have heard the one must receive a mantra

> > from

> > > a

> > > > > guru for it to work. Is this true?

> > > > >

> > > > > Answer:

> > > > >

> > > > > Those who have unwrapped the power of a

> mantra

> > > > > through many repetitions achieve something

> > > called

> > > > > "Mantra Siddhi." This means that they have

> > > > attained

> > > > > some measure of power and proficiency with

> the

> > > > > mantra. At this point, they may give a

> mantra

> > to

> > > > > others "with power," meaning that the

> > recipient

> > > > will

> > > > > achieve results faster than doing it without

> > > > having

> > > > > received it "with power." However, Sanskrit

> > > > mantras

> > > > > are your spiritual birthright since they are

> > > > > directly linked to the chakras. They will

> work

> > > > even

> > > > > if you read them from a book and begin

> > practice.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > The minimum number of repetitions to

> > > achieve

> > > > > Mantra Siddhi is generally recognized as

> > > 125,000.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please clarify your number below and also

> can

> > > you

> > > > > tell me more on OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. For

> example

> > > > there

> > > > > are many Mantras that have particular

> > > applications

> > > > > and Siddhis that will be developed. Thank

> You

>

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God is My Guru

 

God within you is your only Guru. He is within you.

The Mahamantra (Great Name of God) comes from

within you. He alone can reveal Mahanama to you. The

Lord residing within you is the only Guru.

 

Priesthood and Gurubad can never lead one to the

domain of purification where the Divine dwells within.

 

Flawless perfection can only be possible when the

Divine Creator appears before us, and not through any

media or interpreter.

 

Your real Guru lies within you to embrace you and

guide you to your final destination, to the

realization of your True Nature which is Divine and

Blissful. You do not require any human being as

Guru for Self-realization. Your Self or God alone is

Guru.

 

His Grace is already present toward His creatures! How

can a body-bound person be Guru? Body decays.

Does Guru ever decay? Guru is All-pervading. As the

Holder of the body, residing in the body, He is the

one and only Guru.

 

Who is Guru? What does one gain if the (human) Guru

whispers a Mantra in your ear? A human being can

never supply the Mantra to know the Truth and get

acquainted with Him. What is the use of coming to such

 

a fake Guru? Know the Truth, hold on to Him and be

established with It.

 

Here is a question: For whom shall a person count the

beads?.

 

Anyone who tells you they can take you to God, is

simply not telling the Truth. No person can be a Guru.

 

Every person has a Guru inside.

 

Don't run after a Guru, run after knowing your Self.

Therein lies the whole secret. You have immense

power. Use it to awaken from that great slumber.

 

Guru? Everybody is Guru. Only Prana is Guru. He is

everywhere and He is for all.

 

No human Guru, no guide, can help you to know Him. The

Lord is within you. Complete surrender to Him,

with remembrance of His Name throught Nama Japa in

abiding Love, can alone lead you to Him.

 

The mortal being can never be a Guru by any means. God

Himself is the only Guru.

 

What is Guru? Guru actually refers to teaching. But,

today Guru has become big business and wealthy

institutions. Real Guru is Him. In any circumstances,

a Guru cannot give you anything and he cannot

accept anything. If he accepts anything, then he is a

business.

 

Who is He? That is the question. If you are really a

lover of Him, you have no need of monetary business

for Him.

 

One does not get Him by donning deception. Putting on

deceptive garb (saffron robes, priest collars, etc.)

means self-deception. Through the help of the garb, I

show to others what I am not. That is why the

conduct of priests and Gurus is so deadly injurious as

to be beyond comparison. Do you understand what

these worldly Gurus are? Actually, the one who

questions, as well as the one who answers, both are

one

and the same Being.

 

The Almighty is as anxious to have you, as you are to

have Him. Do not bother with an external guide. You

have only to search Him within.

 

Guru? Who is Guru? If I am Guru, then you are Guru.

Everyone is Guru. This Guru business is a

disastrous affair. If I am myself blind, then how can

I show the path to another blind person? If my own

affairs are not in order, how can I show the way to

others? If I know Him, can I then become a Guru? No,

for then I will see myself present in everyone. What a

strange business. Who is the Guru? What you see

around of Gurudom, that is merely a trade.

 

The human being cannot be Guru. Guru is deathless and

Eternal.

 

Do not run after Gurus, Yogis, Priests (inclduing the

Catholic Church). Look within instead. Then He alone

will appear to exist.

 

All these so-called and self-styled Bhagawans,

Maharishis, Babas, and Gurus are bluffing innocent

people to make money.

 

Don't be misled by all these charlatans who pass off

as Bhagawans and Jagadgurus (God of the world).

How can mortals, on whose carrion vultures will peck,

be God?

 

No human being can ever be a Guru. The Guru is within

you as the Mahanama ....the basal stuff of your

Existence. If you are a Guru, why not I? We are all

limitations, fragmentation of Truth. But, the Guru is

unlimited, Integral Truth. You and I die, the Guru

never dies. The self-styled Gurus, Mahants, Bhagawans,

 

Priest are making a business out of God. The worst

criminals, these scourges of human society

should be stamped out forthwith.

 

He, Who at all times sees Himself in everyone, how can

He become a Guru? How can there be a

difference between man and woman for Him? All are He!

 

Person cannot be Guru. At the time of birth we have

come with the Guru. At the same time we have come

with Mahanama, Diksha, and Truth.

 

Who will teach? Who will guide? Is there anybody who

can guide or give Mantra? Yogis, saints? Nobody.

If anyone realizes Him, they cannot utter or give

Mantra by mouth to anyone! They cannot utter the

words,

"I am Guru," because the Supreme is everybody,

everywhere. How is it possible to say I am Guru, you

are

disciple? I am within you. That's enough. Have you

understood?

 

The Lord residing within you is the only Guru.

 

Everything is His. Everything has the same Power. If

one person is Guru or saint, each person is the

same.

 

God alone is the Guru. The moment one poses as an

agent, everything is lost.

 

You must guard yourself against one thing. You cannot

do fraudulent use of Him.

 

It is rabid materialism to take a human being for

Guru. You are all idiots.

 

This cult of the Guru is a fraud perpetrated by vested

interests. This stigma on our Eternal Religion

must be abolished forthwith. What outlandish and

preposterous practices in the Name of Truth!

 

All these Yogis, saints, Sadhus, Godmen, Gurus, this,

that. All, each and every one are bluff, full of

bluff. Their only interest is to collect money and

make institutions.

 

No human being with finite knowledge and perfection

can be Guru. How can finite lead to Infinite, darkness

 

to Light, or ignorance to Wisdom? It is the expression

of ego that makes a person boast to be Guru.

 

Guru is all business exploitation.

 

A mortal being cannot initiate another. There cannot

be an intermediary between God and a person.

 

No agent or intermediary is needed by a person to

commune with the Lord, the Absolute, Who is within

each person. He alone can grant Diksha (initiation).

 

Anybody who realizes Him, cannot utter the words, "I

will guide you." Because those who realize, they look

and see everybody is God, everywhere is God. They

cannot utter the words, "I am a Guru." They cannot

behave like that. Have you understood?

 

Don't believe any person. If you believe in God then

success. If not.. is your decision..

 

A teacher or professor of your worldly language can be

spoken of, but how can there be a Guru? By

setting up Ashram and Math, one indulges in a kind of

business only.

 

The Self plays a dual role, that of the Guru and the

disciple at the same time.

 

You are your Guru and you are your disciple. Other

than this, nobody can be Guru.

 

Real Guru is Immortal and Eternal Truth, our own Self

or God. Guru is all the time with us. He never

leaves. How can He leave? He is the very Eternal

Source of our Life, our Existence.

 

Make Him the Guru and you will find that He Himself

will take you safely to the shore through the stream

of

life, tiding over all storms by holding the oar

Himself.

 

Whenever there is a movement to uproot the age-old

Sanskaras (superstitions), there are always great

agitation against it. Nothing to worry about. As He

creates dangers, so He also lays the path of Peace.

 

No person can be a Guru. Each person has the Guru

within, Who is God. Don't look to Gurus, Yogis,

Babas and saints. Look within. No person can initiate

you into God. This is all humbugism and

exploitation. As soon as someone says, "I am the Guru,

I am the doer," that person is an egotist. When

those who sell God realize Him, they are out of

business.

 

By Guru is meant Nama. It is Nama, Who is Guru. With

Guru it is complete Bliss. Nama means

Omniscience. Where Nama is firmly established and is

constantly attended, an appetite for Nama comes

from the faithful recital of Nama and that is

happiness Eternal.

 

The place where Nama is set is called a solitary

Abode. Nothing but that Abode attracts heavenly

excellence and grandeur. None is dearer than Husband,

the Lord. So, God is described as the Lord. And

the Nama you God has granted you through His Mercy and

Compassion is God. In this world, without

Nama nothing of Nature endures. Only Nama lasts. The

relation with Guru (Absolute) is of happiness with

love serene. Both disciple and Teacher (Soul within

human heart and the Absolute) commingle with Love,

with Ecstasy, with Eternal Attraction and then merge

into One.

 

Life and all other substances which appear are but

manifestations of God. While the human Soul and the

Absolute commingle with each other, the debt of the

world is cleared. That is, constant practice of Love

with Nama, Who is none else but the Absolute, leads to

Supreme Knowledge or Reality. And this

Knowledge alone expels all other superficial knowledge

and takes one to the Bliss Eternal.

 

 

 

Note: I have noticed for a while your strong and

authorative emails. Like the one below. So I have

decided that you can "yell" or talk until your face

turns blue but I am not going to follow or go with

what you are saying.

 

--- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv

wrote:

> Dear Jose,

>

> The very thought of Lord shiva sometimes makes me

> cry

> ... such is the beauty of this gentleman that he can

> make u weak with love for him ...

>

> I have been yelling from the top of my voice for

> such

> a long time .. and this is probably going to be the

> last time .. do not use the panchakshari mantra or

> any

> other mantra without the initiation from a guru ...

> at

> least if you want to do "OM namaha shivaya" then put

> a

> disciplined schedule and do it for a pre decided

> number of times ... the reason why I am telling u to

> go for a guru is because there are different stages

> of

> realising mantras ... and each stage has a beauty of

> its own ... and it is very essential that you get

> initiated and are under if you want to use this

> mantra

> in a meditative style which is the surest path of

> acheieving the mantra and the diety presiding it

> ....

>

> I am sure you wouldnt want to meddle with psychology

> or hypnotism without the supervision of a person

> authorized to do so ... it's the same with mantras

> ...

> I am telling you this because I have learnt this the

> hard way ...

>

> when a mantra is given to a disciple by a guru (its

> debatable as to who is fit to be a guru int he first

> place) the prana of the mantra is instilled into the

> person by the guru as he utters it ... only when

> this

> happens using a mantra will give you the results it

> should ... It's ok if you just want to do the

> panchakshari not as a meditative process but just as

> a

> prayer .. but here too pre decide a time and stick

> to

> it .. (ideally the brahmi muhurtas 4-8 morning or

> evening .. even within this 6-7 is the ideal time)

> ..

> would be good ..

>

> Regarding siddhis ... Om namaha shivaya wont lead

> you

> to siddhis ... but it will lead you to higher

> reaches

> .. siddhis in yogi parlance are like sweeping the

> floor and samadhi is like building a castle ... it's

> upto u what you want to do ... the problems wiht

> siddhis is that they lead you away from the actual

> aim

> of spirituality ...

>

> I have seen a person (I am a witness to this) empty

> a

> egg infront of my eyes without touching it ... in 5

> mins !!! ... the egg was intact but was very light

> when i picked it and empty when I broke it !!! ..

> but

> it took the person some 5 years to develop that

> ability ... !!!

>

> people who go into samadhi wont really know how to

> use

> something like laghuma or garima (two of the asta

> siddhis) but if necessary they can summon the

> siddhis

> at will ... this is what I have been told by someone

> who I feel is qualified to say so ... but has not

> been

> a part of my experience ...

>

> If siddhis are your end goal (eventually all will

> lead

> you to the same goal in different intervals of time)

> then I reckon you should go for kundalini yoga ...

> believe me it works !!! ...

>

> take care

>

>

>

> --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA

> >

> > Dear Memebers:

> >

> > Mahashivaratri is soon to arrive Jan 18 in India

> and

> > Jan 19 in the USA.

> >

> > As was wondering if anyone in this great site

> could

> > help me in this. I am looking for any inforamtion

> > related to OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA all the way from

> > opinions,

> > feelings, objective or subjective opinions. Also

> if

> > any one one knows Gurus, Saints or people that

> have

> > used OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA to achieve their goals. This

> > way

> > I can go and do more research.

> >

> > Does anyone also know any Siddhis that come about

> > from

> > doing Japa of OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA.

> >

> > Any information will help. Thank You

> >

> > Jose Rosa

> >

> >

> >

> > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000

> > wrote:

> > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > >

> > > Dear Jose,

> > >

> > > Yes, I meant 125,000. In India it is a common

> > > practice

> > > to put one more comma.

> > >

> > > No, I don't know siddhis about "Om Namah

> Shivaya".

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Neeraj Gupta

> > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> > > > Dear Neeraj:

> > > >

> > > > The number 1,25,000 has an extra comma/ Let me

> > > know

> > > > if

> > > > you meant 125,000. Thank You

> > > >

> > > > Also do you know anything related to Siddhis

> for

> > > OM

> > > > NAMAH SHIVAYA? Meaning certain Mantras have

> > > > particular

> > > > Siddhis and application. Do you know of any

> > saints

> > > > you

> > > > have done Japa or OM NAMAH SHIVAYA? Any thing

> > > would

> > > > help in my quest for knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > Sincerely,

> > > >

> > > > Jose

> > > >

> > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jose,

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, you are very correct. If one has

> undying

> > > > faith

> > > > > in

> > > > > the mantra, it will work. Some mantras are

> > > > > recommended

> > > > > to be taken by guru, but again, faith or

> > bhakti

> > > is

> > > > > superior to all.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's not the way how you worship (mantra,

> > aarti,

> > > > > reciting names, Japa, Homam, Yaga), but the

> > > > feelings

> > > > > matter more. The way one finds comfortable,

> it

> > > is

> > > > > good.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have read somewhere that one attains

> siddhi

> > > > after

> > > > > reciting it 1,25,000 times. I daily recite

> one

> > > > mala,

> > > > > not more. Let it go slowly and cool way. Not

> > in

> > > a

> > > > > hurry. I am happy with it. While reciting

> it,

> > I

>

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My Dear Friend,

 

We are all limited by what we know ... be it me or you

.... we can only hope to expand by distilled knowledge

and experience ...

 

What you are saying is perfectly true ... there is no

question about that ... and there is no contradiction

....

 

If you have realised that god is within then you dont

need a mantra like "Om namaha shivaya" for any

justifyable reason ... if you havent realised the god

within a mantra can be a means of awakening that which

is inside you ... However if you dare to say that you

want to chant the mantras that great sages have laid

down ... it's imperetive that you should follow the

principles laid down by them ... not many of the

mantras that have been put here by different people

here have been put in the true sense for which they

were meant !!

 

Guru can be a means to ends ... guru is any experience

that broadens your view of all that is ... One should

not take a guru based on blind faith ... one should

test and be perfectly sure ... and once sure should

surrender to the one without holding back ... if you

choose god as guru so be it ... then wait for that

voice to awaken in you by itself and not force it with

mantras !! and it will awaken if you are true to your

cause !!

 

What you are saying is like "I have a text book in my

bag .. that's where the knowledge is .. why do I need

a teacher to learn them?" ... no sir you dont need a

teacher to learn them unless you want to learn them

fast !!! ... how fast you learn will depend on how

brilliant u r or what school you attend ... guru is no

more than a teacher to impart the correct knowledge

and the correct means to it ... Guru tatva is

different ... anything/anyone that teaches you to

exapnd your vision is a guru !!! be it the manas in

you or the even a beggar on the streets ... planets,

sani, jupiter they become gurus too !!!

 

I personally have resisted going to any gurus (I do

not and will not have a guru unless I am convinced on

a rational level to begin with of the genuiness of a

guru) .. however it's foolish to say based on stray

cheaters that the concept of GURU is fake !!!

 

How can you justify Lord Krishna, Rama etc having gone

to Gurus then?? are sankaracharya, veda vyasa or even

parasara fakes??? NO at least to me!!! ..

 

I am not trying to prove anything to you or anyone ...

but having faced the negative effect of meddling with

some mantras I want you to know what you are getting

into .. and it dosent really bother me if you dont

want to listen to me !!! sooner or later you will know

if you are doing wrong ... if you are doing right then

good for you !!

 

Mantra is essentially a sound and a vibration .. for a

beginner it always is a sound for the ear .. to the

advanced it's a vibration of the mind .. sadly I am

not so advanced as to prove this truth to you ... but

am wise enuff to know it for myself ..

 

I can afford to be authoritative in what I know for

sure ... it's upto you to test the truth in what i say

and see for youself ... I am not asking for your faith

in what I say .. I am asking you to know what you seek

!!

 

Good day !

Surya.

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> God is My Guru

>

> God within you is your only Guru. He is within you.

> The Mahamantra (Great Name of God) comes from

> within you. He alone can reveal Mahanama to you. The

> Lord residing within you is the only Guru.

>

> Priesthood and Gurubad can never lead one to the

> domain of purification where the Divine dwells

> within.

>

> Flawless perfection can only be possible when the

> Divine Creator appears before us, and not through

> any

> media or interpreter.

>

> Your real Guru lies within you to embrace you and

> guide you to your final destination, to the

> realization of your True Nature which is Divine and

> Blissful. You do not require any human being as

> Guru for Self-realization. Your Self or God alone is

> Guru.

>

> His Grace is already present toward His creatures!

> How

> can a body-bound person be Guru? Body decays.

> Does Guru ever decay? Guru is All-pervading. As the

> Holder of the body, residing in the body, He is the

> one and only Guru.

>

> Who is Guru? What does one gain if the (human) Guru

> whispers a Mantra in your ear? A human being can

> never supply the Mantra to know the Truth and get

> acquainted with Him. What is the use of coming to

> such

>

> a fake Guru? Know the Truth, hold on to Him and be

> established with It.

>

> Here is a question: For whom shall a person count

> the

> beads?.

>

> Anyone who tells you they can take you to God, is

> simply not telling the Truth. No person can be a

> Guru.

>

> Every person has a Guru inside.

>

> Don't run after a Guru, run after knowing your Self.

> Therein lies the whole secret. You have immense

> power. Use it to awaken from that great slumber.

>

> Guru? Everybody is Guru. Only Prana is Guru. He is

> everywhere and He is for all.

>

> No human Guru, no guide, can help you to know Him.

> The

> Lord is within you. Complete surrender to Him,

> with remembrance of His Name throught Nama Japa in

> abiding Love, can alone lead you to Him.

>

> The mortal being can never be a Guru by any means.

> God

> Himself is the only Guru.

>

> What is Guru? Guru actually refers to teaching. But,

> today Guru has become big business and wealthy

> institutions. Real Guru is Him. In any

> circumstances,

> a Guru cannot give you anything and he cannot

> accept anything. If he accepts anything, then he is

> a

> business.

>

> Who is He? That is the question. If you are really a

> lover of Him, you have no need of monetary business

> for Him.

>

> One does not get Him by donning deception. Putting

> on

> deceptive garb (saffron robes, priest collars, etc.)

>

> means self-deception. Through the help of the garb,

> I

> show to others what I am not. That is why the

> conduct of priests and Gurus is so deadly injurious

> as

> to be beyond comparison. Do you understand what

> these worldly Gurus are? Actually, the one who

> questions, as well as the one who answers, both are

> one

> and the same Being.

>

> The Almighty is as anxious to have you, as you are

> to

> have Him. Do not bother with an external guide. You

> have only to search Him within.

>

> Guru? Who is Guru? If I am Guru, then you are Guru.

> Everyone is Guru. This Guru business is a

> disastrous affair. If I am myself blind, then how

> can

> I show the path to another blind person? If my own

> affairs are not in order, how can I show the way to

> others? If I know Him, can I then become a Guru? No,

>

> for then I will see myself present in everyone. What

> a

> strange business. Who is the Guru? What you see

> around of Gurudom, that is merely a trade.

>

> The human being cannot be Guru. Guru is deathless

> and

> Eternal.

>

> Do not run after Gurus, Yogis, Priests (inclduing

> the

> Catholic Church). Look within instead. Then He alone

>

> will appear to exist.

>

> All these so-called and self-styled Bhagawans,

> Maharishis, Babas, and Gurus are bluffing innocent

> people to make money.

>

> Don't be misled by all these charlatans who pass off

> as Bhagawans and Jagadgurus (God of the world).

> How can mortals, on whose carrion vultures will

> peck,

> be God?

>

> No human being can ever be a Guru. The Guru is

> within

> you as the Mahanama ....the basal stuff of your

> Existence. If you are a Guru, why not I? We are all

> limitations, fragmentation of Truth. But, the Guru

> is

> unlimited, Integral Truth. You and I die, the Guru

> never dies. The self-styled Gurus, Mahants,

> Bhagawans,

>

> Priest are making a business out of God. The worst

> criminals, these scourges of human society

> should be stamped out forthwith.

>

> He, Who at all times sees Himself in everyone, how

> can

> He become a Guru? How can there be a

> difference between man and woman for Him? All are

> He!

>

> Person cannot be Guru. At the time of birth we have

> come with the Guru. At the same time we have come

> with Mahanama, Diksha, and Truth.

>

> Who will teach? Who will guide? Is there anybody who

> can guide or give Mantra? Yogis, saints? Nobody.

> If anyone realizes Him, they cannot utter or give

> Mantra by mouth to anyone! They cannot utter the

> words,

> "I am Guru," because the Supreme is everybody,

> everywhere. How is it possible to say I am Guru, you

> are

> disciple? I am within you. That's enough. Have you

> understood?

>

> The Lord residing within you is the only Guru.

>

> Everything is His. Everything has the same Power. If

> one person is Guru or saint, each person is the

> same.

>

> God alone is the Guru. The moment one poses as an

> agent, everything is lost.

>

> You must guard yourself against one thing. You

> cannot

> do fraudulent use of Him.

>

> It is rabid materialism to take a human being for

> Guru. You are all idiots.

>

> This cult of the Guru is a fraud perpetrated by

> vested

> interests. This stigma on our Eternal Religion

> must be abolished forthwith. What outlandish and

> preposterous practices in the Name of Truth!

>

> All these Yogis, saints, Sadhus, Godmen, Gurus,

> this,

> that. All, each and every one are bluff, full of

> bluff. Their only interest is to collect money and

> make institutions.

>

> No human being with finite knowledge and perfection

> can be Guru. How can finite lead to Infinite,

> darkness

>

> to Light, or ignorance to Wisdom? It is the

> expression

>

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Reading your mail ... it occurs to me that somewhere I

might have hurt your sentiments .. specially that note

that you have left at the end ...

 

I am sorry if I did so ... it's just that having

delved into the theory of mantras I sometimes feel sad

to see that they r not getting the treatment they

should !!!

 

You cant put a sri yantra at home for mental peace !!!

it;s a sin ... you cant utter all the mantras as you

like ... there are rules and ways of doing them ...

ignoring which can lead to problems .... I am sure you

dont want that to happen !!! ...

 

Well I guess its time for me to shut up !! ...

sayonara !!

 

--- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote:

> God is My Guru

>

> God within you is your only Guru. He is within you.

> The Mahamantra (Great Name of God) comes from

> within you. He alone can reveal Mahanama to you. The

> Lord residing within you is the only Guru.

>

> Priesthood and Gurubad can never lead one to the

> domain of purification where the Divine dwells

> within.

>

> Flawless perfection can only be possible when the

> Divine Creator appears before us, and not through

> any

> media or interpreter.

>

> Your real Guru lies within you to embrace you and

> guide you to your final destination, to the

> realization of your True Nature which is Divine and

> Blissful. You do not require any human being as

> Guru for Self-realization. Your Self or God alone is

> Guru.

>

> His Grace is already present toward His creatures!

> How

> can a body-bound person be Guru? Body decays.

> Does Guru ever decay? Guru is All-pervading. As the

> Holder of the body, residing in the body, He is the

> one and only Guru.

>

> Who is Guru? What does one gain if the (human) Guru

> whispers a Mantra in your ear? A human being can

> never supply the Mantra to know the Truth and get

> acquainted with Him. What is the use of coming to

> such

>

> a fake Guru? Know the Truth, hold on to Him and be

> established with It.

>

> Here is a question: For whom shall a person count

> the

> beads?.

>

> Anyone who tells you they can take you to God, is

> simply not telling the Truth. No person can be a

> Guru.

>

> Every person has a Guru inside.

>

> Don't run after a Guru, run after knowing your Self.

> Therein lies the whole secret. You have immense

> power. Use it to awaken from that great slumber.

>

> Guru? Everybody is Guru. Only Prana is Guru. He is

> everywhere and He is for all.

>

> No human Guru, no guide, can help you to know Him.

> The

> Lord is within you. Complete surrender to Him,

> with remembrance of His Name throught Nama Japa in

> abiding Love, can alone lead you to Him.

>

> The mortal being can never be a Guru by any means.

> God

> Himself is the only Guru.

>

> What is Guru? Guru actually refers to teaching. But,

> today Guru has become big business and wealthy

> institutions. Real Guru is Him. In any

> circumstances,

> a Guru cannot give you anything and he cannot

> accept anything. If he accepts anything, then he is

> a

> business.

>

> Who is He? That is the question. If you are really a

> lover of Him, you have no need of monetary business

> for Him.

>

> One does not get Him by donning deception. Putting

> on

> deceptive garb (saffron robes, priest collars, etc.)

>

> means self-deception. Through the help of the garb,

> I

> show to others what I am not. That is why the

> conduct of priests and Gurus is so deadly injurious

> as

> to be beyond comparison. Do you understand what

> these worldly Gurus are? Actually, the one who

> questions, as well as the one who answers, both are

> one

> and the same Being.

>

> The Almighty is as anxious to have you, as you are

> to

> have Him. Do not bother with an external guide. You

> have only to search Him within.

>

> Guru? Who is Guru? If I am Guru, then you are Guru.

> Everyone is Guru. This Guru business is a

> disastrous affair. If I am myself blind, then how

> can

> I show the path to another blind person? If my own

> affairs are not in order, how can I show the way to

> others? If I know Him, can I then become a Guru? No,

>

> for then I will see myself present in everyone. What

> a

> strange business. Who is the Guru? What you see

> around of Gurudom, that is merely a trade.

>

> The human being cannot be Guru. Guru is deathless

> and

> Eternal.

>

> Do not run after Gurus, Yogis, Priests (inclduing

> the

> Catholic Church). Look within instead. Then He alone

>

> will appear to exist.

>

> All these so-called and self-styled Bhagawans,

> Maharishis, Babas, and Gurus are bluffing innocent

> people to make money.

>

> Don't be misled by all these charlatans who pass off

> as Bhagawans and Jagadgurus (God of the world).

> How can mortals, on whose carrion vultures will

> peck,

> be God?

>

> No human being can ever be a Guru. The Guru is

> within

> you as the Mahanama ....the basal stuff of your

> Existence. If you are a Guru, why not I? We are all

> limitations, fragmentation of Truth. But, the Guru

> is

> unlimited, Integral Truth. You and I die, the Guru

> never dies. The self-styled Gurus, Mahants,

> Bhagawans,

>

> Priest are making a business out of God. The worst

> criminals, these scourges of human society

> should be stamped out forthwith.

>

> He, Who at all times sees Himself in everyone, how

> can

> He become a Guru? How can there be a

> difference between man and woman for Him? All are

> He!

>

> Person cannot be Guru. At the time of birth we have

> come with the Guru. At the same time we have come

> with Mahanama, Diksha, and Truth.

>

> Who will teach? Who will guide? Is there anybody who

> can guide or give Mantra? Yogis, saints? Nobody.

> If anyone realizes Him, they cannot utter or give

> Mantra by mouth to anyone! They cannot utter the

> words,

> "I am Guru," because the Supreme is everybody,

> everywhere. How is it possible to say I am Guru, you

> are

> disciple? I am within you. That's enough. Have you

> understood?

>

> The Lord residing within you is the only Guru.

>

> Everything is His. Everything has the same Power. If

> one person is Guru or saint, each person is the

> same.

>

> God alone is the Guru. The moment one poses as an

> agent, everything is lost.

>

> You must guard yourself against one thing. You

> cannot

> do fraudulent use of Him.

>

> It is rabid materialism to take a human being for

> Guru. You are all idiots.

>

> This cult of the Guru is a fraud perpetrated by

> vested

> interests. This stigma on our Eternal Religion

> must be abolished forthwith. What outlandish and

> preposterous practices in the Name of Truth!

>

> All these Yogis, saints, Sadhus, Godmen, Gurus,

> this,

> that. All, each and every one are bluff, full of

> bluff. Their only interest is to collect money and

> make institutions.

>

> No human being with finite knowledge and perfection

> can be Guru. How can finite lead to Infinite,

> darkness

>

> to Light, or ignorance to Wisdom? It is the

> expression

>

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Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey !

The first sentence was true, but the second was you falsely speaking for

another. Stamp out your attention to that other, and focus on your God and

Guru. Therein lies all the treasure.

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Dharmananda <cerulean122000 > wrote:

Jose Rosa <master4114 > wrote: God is My GuruGod within you is your only Guru.

Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey !

The first sentence was true, but the second was you falsely speaking for

another. Stamp out your attention to that other, and focus on your God and

Guru. Therein lies all the treasure.

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