Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA Dear Memebers: Mahashivaratri is soon to arrive Jan 18 in India and Jan 19 in the USA. As was wondering if anyone in this great site could help me in this. I am looking for any inforamtion related to OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA all the way from opinions, feelings, objective or subjective opinions. Also if any one one knows Gurus, Saints or people that have used OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA to achieve their goals. This way I can go and do more research. Does anyone also know any Siddhis that come about from doing Japa of OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA. Any information will help. Thank You Jose Rosa --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 wrote: > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > Dear Jose, > > Yes, I meant 125,000. In India it is a common > practice > to put one more comma. > > No, I don't know siddhis about "Om Namah Shivaya". > > Regards, > > Neeraj Gupta > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > Dear Neeraj: > > > > The number 1,25,000 has an extra comma/ Let me > know > > if > > you meant 125,000. Thank You > > > > Also do you know anything related to Siddhis for > OM > > NAMAH SHIVAYA? Meaning certain Mantras have > > particular > > Siddhis and application. Do you know of any saints > > you > > have done Japa or OM NAMAH SHIVAYA? Any thing > would > > help in my quest for knowledge. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Jose > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > wrote: > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > Dear Jose, > > > > > > Yes, you are very correct. If one has undying > > faith > > > in > > > the mantra, it will work. Some mantras are > > > recommended > > > to be taken by guru, but again, faith or bhakti > is > > > superior to all. > > > > > > It's not the way how you worship (mantra, aarti, > > > reciting names, Japa, Homam, Yaga), but the > > feelings > > > matter more. The way one finds comfortable, it > is > > > good. > > > > > > I have read somewhere that one attains siddhi > > after > > > reciting it 1,25,000 times. I daily recite one > > mala, > > > not more. Let it go slowly and cool way. Not in > a > > > hurry. I am happy with it. While reciting it, I > > see > > > myself in front of lord shiva, cleaning there > feet > > > and > > > then offering some flowers and then giving him > > > bhoga. > > > > > > Again, one should do as one feels comfortable. > No > > > special rules. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAYA > > > > > > > > Dear Neeraj: > > > > > > > > I am very interested in this particular chant. > > For > > > I > > > > have been chanting OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and have > had > > > > very good results. Out of the many mantras I > > have > > > > encountered OM NAMAH SHIVAYA has been the one > > for > > > > me. I have tried to research this Mantra found > > > some > > > > useful information and have learned But there > > is > > > > one thing thing that stands out in my many > > studies > > > > and experiences. '"TRUE BHAKTI IS FAR SUPERIOR > > TO > > > > MERE RITUALS." > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an answer from a Vedic Priest here in > > > > America. > > > > > > > > Question : > > > > > > > > I have heard the one must receive a mantra > from > > a > > > > guru for it to work. Is this true? > > > > > > > > Answer: > > > > > > > > Those who have unwrapped the power of a mantra > > > > through many repetitions achieve something > > called > > > > "Mantra Siddhi." This means that they have > > > attained > > > > some measure of power and proficiency with the > > > > mantra. At this point, they may give a mantra > to > > > > others "with power," meaning that the > recipient > > > will > > > > achieve results faster than doing it without > > > having > > > > received it "with power." However, Sanskrit > > > mantras > > > > are your spiritual birthright since they are > > > > directly linked to the chakras. They will work > > > even > > > > if you read them from a book and begin > practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > The minimum number of repetitions to > > achieve > > > > Mantra Siddhi is generally recognized as > > 125,000. > > > > > > > > Please clarify your number below and also can > > you > > > > tell me more on OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. For example > > > there > > > > are many Mantras that have particular > > applications > > > > and Siddhis that will be developed. Thank You > > for > > > > your time. > > > > > > > > Dear Members jump in at anytime if you like to > > > share > > > > any information on OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Jose Rosa > > > > > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > wrote: > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > Dear Tanvir Bhai, > > > > > > > > Salaam and Namaste. Just Recite "Om Namah > > Shivaya" > > > > without adding Om in the end. Om Namah Shivaya > > is > > > a > > > > para-siddha mantra and cannot harm anybody. It > > can > > > > be > > > > used by anybody for general well being. Do the > > > japa > > > > on > > > > Rudraksha Mala and if possible keep a > shivalinga > > > in > > > > front of you. It gives results very slowly as > > what > > > I > > > > have read. It is said that the mantra becomes > > > siddha > > > > when one has recited it 1,25,000 times. > > > > > > > > I recite "Om Namah Shivaya" every morning 108 > > > times > > > > (facing towards east) and then wear The > > Rudraksha > > > > Combination Pedant. > > > > > > > > Regards, > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Dear Jose, The very thought of Lord shiva sometimes makes me cry .... such is the beauty of this gentleman that he can make u weak with love for him ... I have been yelling from the top of my voice for such a long time .. and this is probably going to be the last time .. do not use the panchakshari mantra or any other mantra without the initiation from a guru ... at least if you want to do "OM namaha shivaya" then put a disciplined schedule and do it for a pre decided number of times ... the reason why I am telling u to go for a guru is because there are different stages of realising mantras ... and each stage has a beauty of its own ... and it is very essential that you get initiated and are under if you want to use this mantra in a meditative style which is the surest path of acheieving the mantra and the diety presiding it .... I am sure you wouldnt want to meddle with psychology or hypnotism without the supervision of a person authorized to do so ... it's the same with mantras ... I am telling you this because I have learnt this the hard way ... when a mantra is given to a disciple by a guru (its debatable as to who is fit to be a guru int he first place) the prana of the mantra is instilled into the person by the guru as he utters it ... only when this happens using a mantra will give you the results it should ... It's ok if you just want to do the panchakshari not as a meditative process but just as a prayer .. but here too pre decide a time and stick to it .. (ideally the brahmi muhurtas 4-8 morning or evening .. even within this 6-7 is the ideal time) .. would be good .. Regarding siddhis ... Om namaha shivaya wont lead you to siddhis ... but it will lead you to higher reaches ... siddhis in yogi parlance are like sweeping the floor and samadhi is like building a castle ... it's upto u what you want to do ... the problems wiht siddhis is that they lead you away from the actual aim of spirituality ... I have seen a person (I am a witness to this) empty a egg infront of my eyes without touching it ... in 5 mins !!! ... the egg was intact but was very light when i picked it and empty when I broke it !!! .. but it took the person some 5 years to develop that ability ... !!! people who go into samadhi wont really know how to use something like laghuma or garima (two of the asta siddhis) but if necessary they can summon the siddhis at will ... this is what I have been told by someone who I feel is qualified to say so ... but has not been a part of my experience ... If siddhis are your end goal (eventually all will lead you to the same goal in different intervals of time) then I reckon you should go for kundalini yoga ... believe me it works !!! ... take care --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA > > Dear Memebers: > > Mahashivaratri is soon to arrive Jan 18 in India and > Jan 19 in the USA. > > As was wondering if anyone in this great site could > help me in this. I am looking for any inforamtion > related to OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA all the way from > opinions, > feelings, objective or subjective opinions. Also if > any one one knows Gurus, Saints or people that have > used OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA to achieve their goals. This > way > I can go and do more research. > > Does anyone also know any Siddhis that come about > from > doing Japa of OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA. > > Any information will help. Thank You > > Jose Rosa > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > wrote: > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > Dear Jose, > > > > Yes, I meant 125,000. In India it is a common > > practice > > to put one more comma. > > > > No, I don't know siddhis about "Om Namah Shivaya". > > > > Regards, > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > Dear Neeraj: > > > > > > The number 1,25,000 has an extra comma/ Let me > > know > > > if > > > you meant 125,000. Thank You > > > > > > Also do you know anything related to Siddhis for > > OM > > > NAMAH SHIVAYA? Meaning certain Mantras have > > > particular > > > Siddhis and application. Do you know of any > saints > > > you > > > have done Japa or OM NAMAH SHIVAYA? Any thing > > would > > > help in my quest for knowledge. > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jose > > > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > > wrote: > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > Dear Jose, > > > > > > > > Yes, you are very correct. If one has undying > > > faith > > > > in > > > > the mantra, it will work. Some mantras are > > > > recommended > > > > to be taken by guru, but again, faith or > bhakti > > is > > > > superior to all. > > > > > > > > It's not the way how you worship (mantra, > aarti, > > > > reciting names, Japa, Homam, Yaga), but the > > > feelings > > > > matter more. The way one finds comfortable, it > > is > > > > good. > > > > > > > > I have read somewhere that one attains siddhi > > > after > > > > reciting it 1,25,000 times. I daily recite one > > > mala, > > > > not more. Let it go slowly and cool way. Not > in > > a > > > > hurry. I am happy with it. While reciting it, > I > > > see > > > > myself in front of lord shiva, cleaning there > > feet > > > > and > > > > then offering some flowers and then giving him > > > > bhoga. > > > > > > > > Again, one should do as one feels comfortable. > > No > > > > special rules. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > > OM NAMAH SHIVAYA > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neeraj: > > > > > > > > > > I am very interested in this particular > chant. > > > For > > > > I > > > > > have been chanting OM NAMAH SHIVAYA and have > > had > > > > > very good results. Out of the many mantras I > > > have > > > > > encountered OM NAMAH SHIVAYA has been the > one > > > for > > > > > me. I have tried to research this Mantra > found > > > > some > > > > > useful information and have learned But > there > > > is > > > > > one thing thing that stands out in my many > > > studies > > > > > and experiences. '"TRUE BHAKTI IS FAR > SUPERIOR > > > TO > > > > > MERE RITUALS." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is an answer from a Vedic Priest here > in > > > > > America. > > > > > > > > > > Question : > > > > > > > > > > I have heard the one must receive a mantra > > from > > > a > > > > > guru for it to work. Is this true? > > > > > > > > > > Answer: > > > > > > > > > > Those who have unwrapped the power of a > mantra > > > > > through many repetitions achieve something > > > called > > > > > "Mantra Siddhi." This means that they have > > > > attained > > > > > some measure of power and proficiency with > the > > > > > mantra. At this point, they may give a > mantra > > to > > > > > others "with power," meaning that the > > recipient > > > > will > > > > > achieve results faster than doing it without > > > > having > > > > > received it "with power." However, Sanskrit > > > > mantras > > > > > are your spiritual birthright since they are > > > > > directly linked to the chakras. They will > work > > > > even > > > > > if you read them from a book and begin > > practice. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The minimum number of repetitions to > > > achieve > > > > > Mantra Siddhi is generally recognized as > > > 125,000. > > > > > > > > > > Please clarify your number below and also > can > > > you > > > > > tell me more on OM NAMAH SHIVAYA. For > example > > > > there > > > > > are many Mantras that have particular > > > applications > > > > > and Siddhis that will be developed. Thank > You > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 God is My Guru God within you is your only Guru. He is within you. The Mahamantra (Great Name of God) comes from within you. He alone can reveal Mahanama to you. The Lord residing within you is the only Guru. Priesthood and Gurubad can never lead one to the domain of purification where the Divine dwells within. Flawless perfection can only be possible when the Divine Creator appears before us, and not through any media or interpreter. Your real Guru lies within you to embrace you and guide you to your final destination, to the realization of your True Nature which is Divine and Blissful. You do not require any human being as Guru for Self-realization. Your Self or God alone is Guru. His Grace is already present toward His creatures! How can a body-bound person be Guru? Body decays. Does Guru ever decay? Guru is All-pervading. As the Holder of the body, residing in the body, He is the one and only Guru. Who is Guru? What does one gain if the (human) Guru whispers a Mantra in your ear? A human being can never supply the Mantra to know the Truth and get acquainted with Him. What is the use of coming to such a fake Guru? Know the Truth, hold on to Him and be established with It. Here is a question: For whom shall a person count the beads?. Anyone who tells you they can take you to God, is simply not telling the Truth. No person can be a Guru. Every person has a Guru inside. Don't run after a Guru, run after knowing your Self. Therein lies the whole secret. You have immense power. Use it to awaken from that great slumber. Guru? Everybody is Guru. Only Prana is Guru. He is everywhere and He is for all. No human Guru, no guide, can help you to know Him. The Lord is within you. Complete surrender to Him, with remembrance of His Name throught Nama Japa in abiding Love, can alone lead you to Him. The mortal being can never be a Guru by any means. God Himself is the only Guru. What is Guru? Guru actually refers to teaching. But, today Guru has become big business and wealthy institutions. Real Guru is Him. In any circumstances, a Guru cannot give you anything and he cannot accept anything. If he accepts anything, then he is a business. Who is He? That is the question. If you are really a lover of Him, you have no need of monetary business for Him. One does not get Him by donning deception. Putting on deceptive garb (saffron robes, priest collars, etc.) means self-deception. Through the help of the garb, I show to others what I am not. That is why the conduct of priests and Gurus is so deadly injurious as to be beyond comparison. Do you understand what these worldly Gurus are? Actually, the one who questions, as well as the one who answers, both are one and the same Being. The Almighty is as anxious to have you, as you are to have Him. Do not bother with an external guide. You have only to search Him within. Guru? Who is Guru? If I am Guru, then you are Guru. Everyone is Guru. This Guru business is a disastrous affair. If I am myself blind, then how can I show the path to another blind person? If my own affairs are not in order, how can I show the way to others? If I know Him, can I then become a Guru? No, for then I will see myself present in everyone. What a strange business. Who is the Guru? What you see around of Gurudom, that is merely a trade. The human being cannot be Guru. Guru is deathless and Eternal. Do not run after Gurus, Yogis, Priests (inclduing the Catholic Church). Look within instead. Then He alone will appear to exist. All these so-called and self-styled Bhagawans, Maharishis, Babas, and Gurus are bluffing innocent people to make money. Don't be misled by all these charlatans who pass off as Bhagawans and Jagadgurus (God of the world). How can mortals, on whose carrion vultures will peck, be God? No human being can ever be a Guru. The Guru is within you as the Mahanama ....the basal stuff of your Existence. If you are a Guru, why not I? We are all limitations, fragmentation of Truth. But, the Guru is unlimited, Integral Truth. You and I die, the Guru never dies. The self-styled Gurus, Mahants, Bhagawans, Priest are making a business out of God. The worst criminals, these scourges of human society should be stamped out forthwith. He, Who at all times sees Himself in everyone, how can He become a Guru? How can there be a difference between man and woman for Him? All are He! Person cannot be Guru. At the time of birth we have come with the Guru. At the same time we have come with Mahanama, Diksha, and Truth. Who will teach? Who will guide? Is there anybody who can guide or give Mantra? Yogis, saints? Nobody. If anyone realizes Him, they cannot utter or give Mantra by mouth to anyone! They cannot utter the words, "I am Guru," because the Supreme is everybody, everywhere. How is it possible to say I am Guru, you are disciple? I am within you. That's enough. Have you understood? The Lord residing within you is the only Guru. Everything is His. Everything has the same Power. If one person is Guru or saint, each person is the same. God alone is the Guru. The moment one poses as an agent, everything is lost. You must guard yourself against one thing. You cannot do fraudulent use of Him. It is rabid materialism to take a human being for Guru. You are all idiots. This cult of the Guru is a fraud perpetrated by vested interests. This stigma on our Eternal Religion must be abolished forthwith. What outlandish and preposterous practices in the Name of Truth! All these Yogis, saints, Sadhus, Godmen, Gurus, this, that. All, each and every one are bluff, full of bluff. Their only interest is to collect money and make institutions. No human being with finite knowledge and perfection can be Guru. How can finite lead to Infinite, darkness to Light, or ignorance to Wisdom? It is the expression of ego that makes a person boast to be Guru. Guru is all business exploitation. A mortal being cannot initiate another. There cannot be an intermediary between God and a person. No agent or intermediary is needed by a person to commune with the Lord, the Absolute, Who is within each person. He alone can grant Diksha (initiation). Anybody who realizes Him, cannot utter the words, "I will guide you." Because those who realize, they look and see everybody is God, everywhere is God. They cannot utter the words, "I am a Guru." They cannot behave like that. Have you understood? Don't believe any person. If you believe in God then success. If not.. is your decision.. A teacher or professor of your worldly language can be spoken of, but how can there be a Guru? By setting up Ashram and Math, one indulges in a kind of business only. The Self plays a dual role, that of the Guru and the disciple at the same time. You are your Guru and you are your disciple. Other than this, nobody can be Guru. Real Guru is Immortal and Eternal Truth, our own Self or God. Guru is all the time with us. He never leaves. How can He leave? He is the very Eternal Source of our Life, our Existence. Make Him the Guru and you will find that He Himself will take you safely to the shore through the stream of life, tiding over all storms by holding the oar Himself. Whenever there is a movement to uproot the age-old Sanskaras (superstitions), there are always great agitation against it. Nothing to worry about. As He creates dangers, so He also lays the path of Peace. No person can be a Guru. Each person has the Guru within, Who is God. Don't look to Gurus, Yogis, Babas and saints. Look within. No person can initiate you into God. This is all humbugism and exploitation. As soon as someone says, "I am the Guru, I am the doer," that person is an egotist. When those who sell God realize Him, they are out of business. By Guru is meant Nama. It is Nama, Who is Guru. With Guru it is complete Bliss. Nama means Omniscience. Where Nama is firmly established and is constantly attended, an appetite for Nama comes from the faithful recital of Nama and that is happiness Eternal. The place where Nama is set is called a solitary Abode. Nothing but that Abode attracts heavenly excellence and grandeur. None is dearer than Husband, the Lord. So, God is described as the Lord. And the Nama you God has granted you through His Mercy and Compassion is God. In this world, without Nama nothing of Nature endures. Only Nama lasts. The relation with Guru (Absolute) is of happiness with love serene. Both disciple and Teacher (Soul within human heart and the Absolute) commingle with Love, with Ecstasy, with Eternal Attraction and then merge into One. Life and all other substances which appear are but manifestations of God. While the human Soul and the Absolute commingle with each other, the debt of the world is cleared. That is, constant practice of Love with Nama, Who is none else but the Absolute, leads to Supreme Knowledge or Reality. And this Knowledge alone expels all other superficial knowledge and takes one to the Bliss Eternal. Note: I have noticed for a while your strong and authorative emails. Like the one below. So I have decided that you can "yell" or talk until your face turns blue but I am not going to follow or go with what you are saying. --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear Jose, > > The very thought of Lord shiva sometimes makes me > cry > ... such is the beauty of this gentleman that he can > make u weak with love for him ... > > I have been yelling from the top of my voice for > such > a long time .. and this is probably going to be the > last time .. do not use the panchakshari mantra or > any > other mantra without the initiation from a guru ... > at > least if you want to do "OM namaha shivaya" then put > a > disciplined schedule and do it for a pre decided > number of times ... the reason why I am telling u to > go for a guru is because there are different stages > of > realising mantras ... and each stage has a beauty of > its own ... and it is very essential that you get > initiated and are under if you want to use this > mantra > in a meditative style which is the surest path of > acheieving the mantra and the diety presiding it > .... > > I am sure you wouldnt want to meddle with psychology > or hypnotism without the supervision of a person > authorized to do so ... it's the same with mantras > ... > I am telling you this because I have learnt this the > hard way ... > > when a mantra is given to a disciple by a guru (its > debatable as to who is fit to be a guru int he first > place) the prana of the mantra is instilled into the > person by the guru as he utters it ... only when > this > happens using a mantra will give you the results it > should ... It's ok if you just want to do the > panchakshari not as a meditative process but just as > a > prayer .. but here too pre decide a time and stick > to > it .. (ideally the brahmi muhurtas 4-8 morning or > evening .. even within this 6-7 is the ideal time) > .. > would be good .. > > Regarding siddhis ... Om namaha shivaya wont lead > you > to siddhis ... but it will lead you to higher > reaches > .. siddhis in yogi parlance are like sweeping the > floor and samadhi is like building a castle ... it's > upto u what you want to do ... the problems wiht > siddhis is that they lead you away from the actual > aim > of spirituality ... > > I have seen a person (I am a witness to this) empty > a > egg infront of my eyes without touching it ... in 5 > mins !!! ... the egg was intact but was very light > when i picked it and empty when I broke it !!! .. > but > it took the person some 5 years to develop that > ability ... !!! > > people who go into samadhi wont really know how to > use > something like laghuma or garima (two of the asta > siddhis) but if necessary they can summon the > siddhis > at will ... this is what I have been told by someone > who I feel is qualified to say so ... but has not > been > a part of my experience ... > > If siddhis are your end goal (eventually all will > lead > you to the same goal in different intervals of time) > then I reckon you should go for kundalini yoga ... > believe me it works !!! ... > > take care > > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA > > > > Dear Memebers: > > > > Mahashivaratri is soon to arrive Jan 18 in India > and > > Jan 19 in the USA. > > > > As was wondering if anyone in this great site > could > > help me in this. I am looking for any inforamtion > > related to OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA all the way from > > opinions, > > feelings, objective or subjective opinions. Also > if > > any one one knows Gurus, Saints or people that > have > > used OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA to achieve their goals. This > > way > > I can go and do more research. > > > > Does anyone also know any Siddhis that come about > > from > > doing Japa of OM NAMAH SHIVÃYA. > > > > Any information will help. Thank You > > > > Jose Rosa > > > > > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > wrote: > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > Dear Jose, > > > > > > Yes, I meant 125,000. In India it is a common > > > practice > > > to put one more comma. > > > > > > No, I don't know siddhis about "Om Namah > Shivaya". > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Neeraj Gupta > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > > > > Dear Neeraj: > > > > > > > > The number 1,25,000 has an extra comma/ Let me > > > know > > > > if > > > > you meant 125,000. Thank You > > > > > > > > Also do you know anything related to Siddhis > for > > > OM > > > > NAMAH SHIVAYA? Meaning certain Mantras have > > > > particular > > > > Siddhis and application. Do you know of any > > saints > > > > you > > > > have done Japa or OM NAMAH SHIVAYA? Any thing > > > would > > > > help in my quest for knowledge. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > > > Jose > > > > > > > > --- Neeraj Gupta <gupta_neeraj_2000 > > > > wrote: > > > > > ~ Om Namah Shivaya ~ > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jose, > > > > > > > > > > Yes, you are very correct. If one has > undying > > > > faith > > > > > in > > > > > the mantra, it will work. Some mantras are > > > > > recommended > > > > > to be taken by guru, but again, faith or > > bhakti > > > is > > > > > superior to all. > > > > > > > > > > It's not the way how you worship (mantra, > > aarti, > > > > > reciting names, Japa, Homam, Yaga), but the > > > > feelings > > > > > matter more. The way one finds comfortable, > it > > > is > > > > > good. > > > > > > > > > > I have read somewhere that one attains > siddhi > > > > after > > > > > reciting it 1,25,000 times. I daily recite > one > > > > mala, > > > > > not more. Let it go slowly and cool way. Not > > in > > > a > > > > > hurry. I am happy with it. While reciting > it, > > I > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 My Dear Friend, We are all limited by what we know ... be it me or you .... we can only hope to expand by distilled knowledge and experience ... What you are saying is perfectly true ... there is no question about that ... and there is no contradiction .... If you have realised that god is within then you dont need a mantra like "Om namaha shivaya" for any justifyable reason ... if you havent realised the god within a mantra can be a means of awakening that which is inside you ... However if you dare to say that you want to chant the mantras that great sages have laid down ... it's imperetive that you should follow the principles laid down by them ... not many of the mantras that have been put here by different people here have been put in the true sense for which they were meant !! Guru can be a means to ends ... guru is any experience that broadens your view of all that is ... One should not take a guru based on blind faith ... one should test and be perfectly sure ... and once sure should surrender to the one without holding back ... if you choose god as guru so be it ... then wait for that voice to awaken in you by itself and not force it with mantras !! and it will awaken if you are true to your cause !! What you are saying is like "I have a text book in my bag .. that's where the knowledge is .. why do I need a teacher to learn them?" ... no sir you dont need a teacher to learn them unless you want to learn them fast !!! ... how fast you learn will depend on how brilliant u r or what school you attend ... guru is no more than a teacher to impart the correct knowledge and the correct means to it ... Guru tatva is different ... anything/anyone that teaches you to exapnd your vision is a guru !!! be it the manas in you or the even a beggar on the streets ... planets, sani, jupiter they become gurus too !!! I personally have resisted going to any gurus (I do not and will not have a guru unless I am convinced on a rational level to begin with of the genuiness of a guru) .. however it's foolish to say based on stray cheaters that the concept of GURU is fake !!! How can you justify Lord Krishna, Rama etc having gone to Gurus then?? are sankaracharya, veda vyasa or even parasara fakes??? NO at least to me!!! .. I am not trying to prove anything to you or anyone ... but having faced the negative effect of meddling with some mantras I want you to know what you are getting into .. and it dosent really bother me if you dont want to listen to me !!! sooner or later you will know if you are doing wrong ... if you are doing right then good for you !! Mantra is essentially a sound and a vibration .. for a beginner it always is a sound for the ear .. to the advanced it's a vibration of the mind .. sadly I am not so advanced as to prove this truth to you ... but am wise enuff to know it for myself .. I can afford to be authoritative in what I know for sure ... it's upto you to test the truth in what i say and see for youself ... I am not asking for your faith in what I say .. I am asking you to know what you seek !! Good day ! Surya. --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > God is My Guru > > God within you is your only Guru. He is within you. > The Mahamantra (Great Name of God) comes from > within you. He alone can reveal Mahanama to you. The > Lord residing within you is the only Guru. > > Priesthood and Gurubad can never lead one to the > domain of purification where the Divine dwells > within. > > Flawless perfection can only be possible when the > Divine Creator appears before us, and not through > any > media or interpreter. > > Your real Guru lies within you to embrace you and > guide you to your final destination, to the > realization of your True Nature which is Divine and > Blissful. You do not require any human being as > Guru for Self-realization. Your Self or God alone is > Guru. > > His Grace is already present toward His creatures! > How > can a body-bound person be Guru? Body decays. > Does Guru ever decay? Guru is All-pervading. As the > Holder of the body, residing in the body, He is the > one and only Guru. > > Who is Guru? What does one gain if the (human) Guru > whispers a Mantra in your ear? A human being can > never supply the Mantra to know the Truth and get > acquainted with Him. What is the use of coming to > such > > a fake Guru? Know the Truth, hold on to Him and be > established with It. > > Here is a question: For whom shall a person count > the > beads?. > > Anyone who tells you they can take you to God, is > simply not telling the Truth. No person can be a > Guru. > > Every person has a Guru inside. > > Don't run after a Guru, run after knowing your Self. > Therein lies the whole secret. You have immense > power. Use it to awaken from that great slumber. > > Guru? Everybody is Guru. Only Prana is Guru. He is > everywhere and He is for all. > > No human Guru, no guide, can help you to know Him. > The > Lord is within you. Complete surrender to Him, > with remembrance of His Name throught Nama Japa in > abiding Love, can alone lead you to Him. > > The mortal being can never be a Guru by any means. > God > Himself is the only Guru. > > What is Guru? Guru actually refers to teaching. But, > today Guru has become big business and wealthy > institutions. Real Guru is Him. In any > circumstances, > a Guru cannot give you anything and he cannot > accept anything. If he accepts anything, then he is > a > business. > > Who is He? That is the question. If you are really a > lover of Him, you have no need of monetary business > for Him. > > One does not get Him by donning deception. Putting > on > deceptive garb (saffron robes, priest collars, etc.) > > means self-deception. Through the help of the garb, > I > show to others what I am not. That is why the > conduct of priests and Gurus is so deadly injurious > as > to be beyond comparison. Do you understand what > these worldly Gurus are? Actually, the one who > questions, as well as the one who answers, both are > one > and the same Being. > > The Almighty is as anxious to have you, as you are > to > have Him. Do not bother with an external guide. You > have only to search Him within. > > Guru? Who is Guru? If I am Guru, then you are Guru. > Everyone is Guru. This Guru business is a > disastrous affair. If I am myself blind, then how > can > I show the path to another blind person? If my own > affairs are not in order, how can I show the way to > others? If I know Him, can I then become a Guru? No, > > for then I will see myself present in everyone. What > a > strange business. Who is the Guru? What you see > around of Gurudom, that is merely a trade. > > The human being cannot be Guru. Guru is deathless > and > Eternal. > > Do not run after Gurus, Yogis, Priests (inclduing > the > Catholic Church). Look within instead. Then He alone > > will appear to exist. > > All these so-called and self-styled Bhagawans, > Maharishis, Babas, and Gurus are bluffing innocent > people to make money. > > Don't be misled by all these charlatans who pass off > as Bhagawans and Jagadgurus (God of the world). > How can mortals, on whose carrion vultures will > peck, > be God? > > No human being can ever be a Guru. The Guru is > within > you as the Mahanama ....the basal stuff of your > Existence. If you are a Guru, why not I? We are all > limitations, fragmentation of Truth. But, the Guru > is > unlimited, Integral Truth. You and I die, the Guru > never dies. The self-styled Gurus, Mahants, > Bhagawans, > > Priest are making a business out of God. The worst > criminals, these scourges of human society > should be stamped out forthwith. > > He, Who at all times sees Himself in everyone, how > can > He become a Guru? How can there be a > difference between man and woman for Him? All are > He! > > Person cannot be Guru. At the time of birth we have > come with the Guru. At the same time we have come > with Mahanama, Diksha, and Truth. > > Who will teach? Who will guide? Is there anybody who > can guide or give Mantra? Yogis, saints? Nobody. > If anyone realizes Him, they cannot utter or give > Mantra by mouth to anyone! They cannot utter the > words, > "I am Guru," because the Supreme is everybody, > everywhere. How is it possible to say I am Guru, you > are > disciple? I am within you. That's enough. Have you > understood? > > The Lord residing within you is the only Guru. > > Everything is His. Everything has the same Power. If > one person is Guru or saint, each person is the > same. > > God alone is the Guru. The moment one poses as an > agent, everything is lost. > > You must guard yourself against one thing. You > cannot > do fraudulent use of Him. > > It is rabid materialism to take a human being for > Guru. You are all idiots. > > This cult of the Guru is a fraud perpetrated by > vested > interests. This stigma on our Eternal Religion > must be abolished forthwith. What outlandish and > preposterous practices in the Name of Truth! > > All these Yogis, saints, Sadhus, Godmen, Gurus, > this, > that. All, each and every one are bluff, full of > bluff. Their only interest is to collect money and > make institutions. > > No human being with finite knowledge and perfection > can be Guru. How can finite lead to Infinite, > darkness > > to Light, or ignorance to Wisdom? It is the > expression > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Reading your mail ... it occurs to me that somewhere I might have hurt your sentiments .. specially that note that you have left at the end ... I am sorry if I did so ... it's just that having delved into the theory of mantras I sometimes feel sad to see that they r not getting the treatment they should !!! You cant put a sri yantra at home for mental peace !!! it;s a sin ... you cant utter all the mantras as you like ... there are rules and ways of doing them ... ignoring which can lead to problems .... I am sure you dont want that to happen !!! ... Well I guess its time for me to shut up !! ... sayonara !! --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > God is My Guru > > God within you is your only Guru. He is within you. > The Mahamantra (Great Name of God) comes from > within you. He alone can reveal Mahanama to you. The > Lord residing within you is the only Guru. > > Priesthood and Gurubad can never lead one to the > domain of purification where the Divine dwells > within. > > Flawless perfection can only be possible when the > Divine Creator appears before us, and not through > any > media or interpreter. > > Your real Guru lies within you to embrace you and > guide you to your final destination, to the > realization of your True Nature which is Divine and > Blissful. You do not require any human being as > Guru for Self-realization. Your Self or God alone is > Guru. > > His Grace is already present toward His creatures! > How > can a body-bound person be Guru? Body decays. > Does Guru ever decay? Guru is All-pervading. As the > Holder of the body, residing in the body, He is the > one and only Guru. > > Who is Guru? What does one gain if the (human) Guru > whispers a Mantra in your ear? A human being can > never supply the Mantra to know the Truth and get > acquainted with Him. What is the use of coming to > such > > a fake Guru? Know the Truth, hold on to Him and be > established with It. > > Here is a question: For whom shall a person count > the > beads?. > > Anyone who tells you they can take you to God, is > simply not telling the Truth. No person can be a > Guru. > > Every person has a Guru inside. > > Don't run after a Guru, run after knowing your Self. > Therein lies the whole secret. You have immense > power. Use it to awaken from that great slumber. > > Guru? Everybody is Guru. Only Prana is Guru. He is > everywhere and He is for all. > > No human Guru, no guide, can help you to know Him. > The > Lord is within you. Complete surrender to Him, > with remembrance of His Name throught Nama Japa in > abiding Love, can alone lead you to Him. > > The mortal being can never be a Guru by any means. > God > Himself is the only Guru. > > What is Guru? Guru actually refers to teaching. But, > today Guru has become big business and wealthy > institutions. Real Guru is Him. In any > circumstances, > a Guru cannot give you anything and he cannot > accept anything. If he accepts anything, then he is > a > business. > > Who is He? That is the question. If you are really a > lover of Him, you have no need of monetary business > for Him. > > One does not get Him by donning deception. Putting > on > deceptive garb (saffron robes, priest collars, etc.) > > means self-deception. Through the help of the garb, > I > show to others what I am not. That is why the > conduct of priests and Gurus is so deadly injurious > as > to be beyond comparison. Do you understand what > these worldly Gurus are? Actually, the one who > questions, as well as the one who answers, both are > one > and the same Being. > > The Almighty is as anxious to have you, as you are > to > have Him. Do not bother with an external guide. You > have only to search Him within. > > Guru? Who is Guru? If I am Guru, then you are Guru. > Everyone is Guru. This Guru business is a > disastrous affair. If I am myself blind, then how > can > I show the path to another blind person? If my own > affairs are not in order, how can I show the way to > others? If I know Him, can I then become a Guru? No, > > for then I will see myself present in everyone. What > a > strange business. Who is the Guru? What you see > around of Gurudom, that is merely a trade. > > The human being cannot be Guru. Guru is deathless > and > Eternal. > > Do not run after Gurus, Yogis, Priests (inclduing > the > Catholic Church). Look within instead. Then He alone > > will appear to exist. > > All these so-called and self-styled Bhagawans, > Maharishis, Babas, and Gurus are bluffing innocent > people to make money. > > Don't be misled by all these charlatans who pass off > as Bhagawans and Jagadgurus (God of the world). > How can mortals, on whose carrion vultures will > peck, > be God? > > No human being can ever be a Guru. The Guru is > within > you as the Mahanama ....the basal stuff of your > Existence. If you are a Guru, why not I? We are all > limitations, fragmentation of Truth. But, the Guru > is > unlimited, Integral Truth. You and I die, the Guru > never dies. The self-styled Gurus, Mahants, > Bhagawans, > > Priest are making a business out of God. The worst > criminals, these scourges of human society > should be stamped out forthwith. > > He, Who at all times sees Himself in everyone, how > can > He become a Guru? How can there be a > difference between man and woman for Him? All are > He! > > Person cannot be Guru. At the time of birth we have > come with the Guru. At the same time we have come > with Mahanama, Diksha, and Truth. > > Who will teach? Who will guide? Is there anybody who > can guide or give Mantra? Yogis, saints? Nobody. > If anyone realizes Him, they cannot utter or give > Mantra by mouth to anyone! They cannot utter the > words, > "I am Guru," because the Supreme is everybody, > everywhere. How is it possible to say I am Guru, you > are > disciple? I am within you. That's enough. Have you > understood? > > The Lord residing within you is the only Guru. > > Everything is His. Everything has the same Power. If > one person is Guru or saint, each person is the > same. > > God alone is the Guru. The moment one poses as an > agent, everything is lost. > > You must guard yourself against one thing. You > cannot > do fraudulent use of Him. > > It is rabid materialism to take a human being for > Guru. You are all idiots. > > This cult of the Guru is a fraud perpetrated by > vested > interests. This stigma on our Eternal Religion > must be abolished forthwith. What outlandish and > preposterous practices in the Name of Truth! > > All these Yogis, saints, Sadhus, Godmen, Gurus, > this, > that. All, each and every one are bluff, full of > bluff. Their only interest is to collect money and > make institutions. > > No human being with finite knowledge and perfection > can be Guru. How can finite lead to Infinite, > darkness > > to Light, or ignorance to Wisdom? It is the > expression > === message truncated === SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey ! The first sentence was true, but the second was you falsely speaking for another. Stamp out your attention to that other, and focus on your God and Guru. Therein lies all the treasure. Blessed BeDharmananda SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 Dharmananda <cerulean122000 > wrote: Jose Rosa <master4114 > wrote: God is My GuruGod within you is your only Guru. Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey a Hey ! The first sentence was true, but the second was you falsely speaking for another. Stamp out your attention to that other, and focus on your God and Guru. Therein lies all the treasure. Blessed BeDharmananda SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ To visit your group on the web, go to:/ To from this group, send an email to: Your use of is subject to the SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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