Guest guest Posted February 22, 2004 Report Share Posted February 22, 2004 Tanvirji, Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or the starting point of the first house? Although this is a basic question, many astrologers differ on this, resulting in vast differences in predictions. Scientifically ascendant only represents the Eastern horizon. So it should be the starting point of the first house or bhava, irrespective of ayanamsa? What are your views on this? Best wishes, Niranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Dear Niranjan Jee, As per my experience and practice, the whole sign where the Asc is becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree rising. Then the next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so on. In my practice I never found any chart that could prove / seemed to prove that Asc should be counted from the starting of the rising point or keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. That gives a lot of confusions and also questions the authenticness of D charts, if you logically review how D charts are made. However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like taking the rising point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not believe in it for the experiences and practices of me, and also because for the KP ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my own chart and life events so accurately and it only proves that the Lahiri Ayanamsha is exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. However, I have a very good impression on KP and respect it a lot because I have seen some great accuracy of timing with it. I never explored KP so I guess there is "something" that balances the error of ayanamsha KP uses :-) Regards Tanvir. , "Niranjan S. Rao" <nsrao76> wrote: > Tanvirji, > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or the starting point > of the first house? > > Although this is a basic question, many astrologers differ on this, > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the Eastern horizon. So it > should be the starting point of the first house or bhava, > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > What are your views on this? > > Best wishes, > Niranjan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Dear sir, with reference to your question regarding ascendent and houses let me tell you there is a process regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat Parashara Hora. This method is also written in the book " A manual of Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the greatest astrologer India had in 21st century. According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find the sign deposition of planets and also relation between various planets, but in order to find the results regarding various bhavas which the planets will give we need to know the bhava position of planets. I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava result as per bhava placement. regards, sourav dasgupta regards --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana wrote: > Dear Niranjan Jee, > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign > where the Asc is > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree > rising. Then the > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so > on. In my > practice I never found any chart that could prove / > seemed to prove > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the > rising point or > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. > That gives a lot > of confusions and also questions the authenticness > of D charts, if > you logically review how D charts are made. > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like > taking the rising > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not > believe in it for > the experiences and practices of me, and also > because for the KP > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my > own chart and life > events so accurately and it only proves that the > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and > respect it a lot > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing > with it. I never > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that > balances the error > of ayanamsha KP uses :-) > > Regards > Tanvir. > > , "Niranjan > S. Rao" > <nsrao76> wrote: > > Tanvirji, > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or > the starting > point > > of the first house? > > > > Although this is a basic question, many > astrologers differ on this, > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the > Eastern horizon. So it > > should be the starting point of the first house or > bhava, > > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > > > What are your views on this? > > > > Best wishes, > > Niranjan > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > and houses let me tell you there is a process > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > Parashara Hora. Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed out by Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind of computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the border of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or both) houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant and derivation of chalits or bhavas. Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own horoscope. Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is in the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how to gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example such as this? Best wishes, Niranjan , sourav dasgupta <sourav_dg> wrote: > Dear sir, > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > and houses let me tell you there is a process > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > Parashara Hora. > This method is also written in the book " A manual of > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century. > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find > the sign deposition of planets and also relation > between various planets, but in order to find the > results regarding various bhavas which the planets > will give we need to know the bhava position of > planets. > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava > result as per bhava placement. > regards, > sourav dasgupta > regards > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > wrote: > > Dear Niranjan Jee, > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign > > where the Asc is > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree > > rising. Then the > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so > > on. In my > > practice I never found any chart that could prove / > > seemed to prove > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the > > rising point or > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. > > That gives a lot > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness > > of D charts, if > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like > > taking the rising > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not > > believe in it for > > the experiences and practices of me, and also > > because for the KP > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my > > own chart and life > > events so accurately and it only proves that the > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and > > respect it a lot > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing > > with it. I never > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that > > balances the error > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-) > > > > Regards > > Tanvir. > > > > , "Niranjan > > S. Rao" > > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > Tanvirji, > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or > > the starting > > point > > > of the first house? > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many > > astrologers differ on this, > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > should be the starting point of the first house or > > bhava, > > > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > > > > > What are your views on this? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 My other observation is that KP and Lahiri make a difference of upto 3 months in calculation of starting and ending times of dasa periods/sub-periods. Again I am bewildered...which system is more accurate? (I missed my birth location in my prev mail - sorry. It is Mysore 76 E 39, 12 N 18.) Best wishes, Niranjan , "Niranjan S. Rao" <nsrao76> wrote: > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > Parashara Hora. > > Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed out by > Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind of > computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the border > of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or both) > houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant and > derivation of chalits or bhavas. > > Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional > strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a > student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. > > My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own horoscope. > Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is in > the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: > 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how to > gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example such > as this? > > Best wishes, > Niranjan > > > > , sourav dasgupta > <sourav_dg> wrote: > > Dear sir, > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > Parashara Hora. > > This method is also written in the book " A manual of > > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the > > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century. > > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find > > the sign deposition of planets and also relation > > between various planets, but in order to find the > > results regarding various bhavas which the planets > > will give we need to know the bhava position of > > planets. > > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava > > result as per bhava placement. > > regards, > > sourav dasgupta > > regards > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > > wrote: > > > Dear Niranjan Jee, > > > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign > > > where the Asc is > > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree > > > rising. Then the > > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so > > > on. In my > > > practice I never found any chart that could prove / > > > seemed to prove > > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the > > > rising point or > > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. > > > That gives a lot > > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness > > > of D charts, if > > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like > > > taking the rising > > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not > > > believe in it for > > > the experiences and practices of me, and also > > > because for the KP > > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my > > > own chart and life > > > events so accurately and it only proves that the > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. > > > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and > > > respect it a lot > > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing > > > with it. I never > > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that > > > balances the error > > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-) > > > > > > Regards > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > , "Niranjan > > > S. Rao" > > > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > > Tanvirji, > > > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or > > > the starting > > > point > > > > of the first house? > > > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many > > > astrologers differ on this, > > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the > > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > > should be the starting point of the first house or > > > bhava, > > > > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > What are your views on this? > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Regards Sanjay"Niranjan S. Rao" <nsrao76 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: My other observation is that KP and Lahiri make a difference of upto 3 months in calculation of starting and ending times of dasa periods/sub-periods. Again I am bewildered...which system is more accurate? (I missed my birth location in my prev mail - sorry. It is Mysore 76 E 39, 12 N 18.)Best wishes,Niranjan--- In , "Niranjan S. Rao" <nsrao76> wrote:> > with reference to your question regarding ascendent> > and houses let me tell you there is a process> > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat> > Parashara Hora.> > Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed out by > Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind of > computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the border > of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or both) > houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant and > derivation of chalits or bhavas.> > Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional > strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a > student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. > > My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own horoscope. > Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is in > the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: > 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how to > gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example such > as this? > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > > > --- In , sourav dasgupta > <sourav_dg> wrote:> > Dear sir,> > with reference to your question regarding ascendent> > and houses let me tell you there is a process> > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat> > Parashara Hora.> > This method is also written in the book " A manual of> > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the> > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century.> > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find> > the sign deposition of planets and also relation> > between various planets, but in order to find the> > results regarding various bhavas which the planets> > will give we need to know the bhava position of> > planets.> > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava> > result as per bhava placement.> > regards,> > sourav dasgupta> > regards> > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...>> > wrote:> > > Dear Niranjan Jee,> > > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign> > > where the Asc is > > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree> > > rising. Then the > > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so> > > on. In my > > > practice I never found any chart that could prove /> > > seemed to prove > > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the> > > rising point or > > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house.> > > That gives a lot > > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness> > > of D charts, if > > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like> > > taking the rising > > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not> > > believe in it for > > > the experiences and practices of me, and also> > > because for the KP > > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my> > > own chart and life > > > events so accurately and it only proves that the> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate.> > > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and> > > respect it a lot > > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing> > > with it. I never > > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that> > > balances the error > > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-)> > > > > > Regards> > > Tanvir.> > > > > > , "Niranjan> > > S. Rao" > > > <nsrao76> wrote:> > > > Tanvirji,> > > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or> > > the starting > > > point > > > > of the first house?> > > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many> > > astrologers differ on this, > > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the> > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > > should be the starting point of the first house or> > > bhava, > > > > irrespective of ayanamsa?> > > > > > > > What are your views on this?> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Niranjan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you ?> > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.> > http://antispam./tools~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2004 Report Share Posted February 23, 2004 Dear Niranjan Bhai, I have gone through various literature on this subject. What I have found is , most of the authors and as per my personal experience also Lahiri Ayanamsha ( Which are very close to Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsha ) give most accurate mapping. However everybody is free to draw his own conclusion. Regards, Anil - Niranjan S. Rao Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:16 AM Re: Tanvirji, question on ascendant My other observation is that KP and Lahiri make a difference of upto 3 months in calculation of starting and ending times of dasa periods/sub-periods. Again I am bewildered...which system is more accurate? (I missed my birth location in my prev mail - sorry. It is Mysore 76 E 39, 12 N 18.)Best wishes,Niranjan--- In , "Niranjan S. Rao" <nsrao76> wrote:> > with reference to your question regarding ascendent> > and houses let me tell you there is a process> > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat> > Parashara Hora.> > Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed out by > Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind of > computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the border > of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or both) > houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant and > derivation of chalits or bhavas.> > Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional > strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a > student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. > > My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own horoscope. > Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is in > the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: > 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how to > gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example such > as this? > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > > > --- In , sourav dasgupta > <sourav_dg> wrote:> > Dear sir,> > with reference to your question regarding ascendent> > and houses let me tell you there is a process> > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat> > Parashara Hora.> > This method is also written in the book " A manual of> > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the> > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century.> > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find> > the sign deposition of planets and also relation> > between various planets, but in order to find the> > results regarding various bhavas which the planets> > will give we need to know the bhava position of> > planets.> > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava> > result as per bhava placement.> > regards,> > sourav dasgupta> > regards> > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...>> > wrote:> > > Dear Niranjan Jee,> > > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign> > > where the Asc is > > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree> > > rising. Then the > > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so> > > on. In my > > > practice I never found any chart that could prove /> > > seemed to prove > > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the> > > rising point or > > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house.> > > That gives a lot > > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness> > > of D charts, if > > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like> > > taking the rising > > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not> > > believe in it for > > > the experiences and practices of me, and also> > > because for the KP > > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my> > > own chart and life > > > events so accurately and it only proves that the> > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate.> > > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and> > > respect it a lot > > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing> > > with it. I never > > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that> > > balances the error > > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-)> > > > > > Regards> > > Tanvir.> > > > > > --- In , "Niranjan> > > S. Rao" > > > <nsrao76> wrote:> > > > Tanvirji,> > > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or> > > the starting > > > point > > > > of the first house?> > > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many> > > astrologers differ on this, > > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the> > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > > should be the starting point of the first house or> > > bhava, > > > > irrespective of ayanamsa?> > > > > > > > What are your views on this?> > > > > > > > Best wishes,> > > > Niranjan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.> > http://antispam./tools~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Dear sirs, I would like to join the discussion please. Suppose Ascendent is rising 27 degree Leo ,then upto 26 degree leo has not risen, so upto 26 degree leo would surely be part of 12th house. 1st house can be from 27 degree leo to say 25 degree virgo. I dont think that you can/should simplify this. A planet at say 16 degree leo would surely be in 12th house, although it would give say about 25 % result of 1st house being in leo. regards Inder In , "Niranjan S. Rao" <nsrao76> wrote: > My other observation is that KP and Lahiri make a difference of upto > 3 months in calculation of starting and ending times of dasa > periods/sub-periods. Again I am bewildered...which system is more > accurate? > > (I missed my birth location in my prev mail - sorry. It is Mysore 76 > E 39, 12 N 18.) > > Best wishes, > Niranjan > > , "Niranjan S. Rao" > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > > Parashara Hora. > > > > Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed out > by > > Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind of > > computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the border > > of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or > both) > > houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant > and > > derivation of chalits or bhavas. > > > > Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional > > strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a > > student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. > > > > My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own horoscope. > > Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is in > > the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: > > 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how to > > gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example such > > as this? > > > > Best wishes, > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > , sourav dasgupta > > <sourav_dg> wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > > Parashara Hora. > > > This method is also written in the book " A manual of > > > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the > > > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century. > > > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find > > > the sign deposition of planets and also relation > > > between various planets, but in order to find the > > > results regarding various bhavas which the planets > > > will give we need to know the bhava position of > > > planets. > > > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava > > > result as per bhava placement. > > > regards, > > > sourav dasgupta > > > regards > > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Niranjan Jee, > > > > > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign > > > > where the Asc is > > > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree > > > > rising. Then the > > > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so > > > > on. In my > > > > practice I never found any chart that could prove / > > > > seemed to prove > > > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the > > > > rising point or > > > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. > > > > That gives a lot > > > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness > > > > of D charts, if > > > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like > > > > taking the rising > > > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not > > > > believe in it for > > > > the experiences and practices of me, and also > > > > because for the KP > > > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my > > > > own chart and life > > > > events so accurately and it only proves that the > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. > > > > > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and > > > > respect it a lot > > > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing > > > > with it. I never > > > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that > > > > balances the error > > > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > , "Niranjan > > > > S. Rao" > > > > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > > > Tanvirji, > > > > > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or > > > > the starting > > > > point > > > > > of the first house? > > > > > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many > > > > astrologers differ on this, > > > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the > > > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > > > should be the starting point of the first house or > > > > bhava, > > > > > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > What are your views on this? > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > > > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Anil Bhai, Please can you throw some light, why do you think Lahiri is the more accurate? I am just trying to build up a deeper reasoning/understanding behind practices by opening this debate. Best wishes, Niranjan , gogatea <gogatea@v...> wrote: > Dear Niranjan Bhai, > > I have gone through various literature on this subject. What I have found is , most of the authors and as per my personal experience also Lahiri Ayanamsha ( Which are very close to Chitrapakshiya Ayanamsha ) give most accurate mapping. > > However everybody is free to draw his own conclusion. > > Regards, > > Anil > - > Niranjan S. Rao > > Tuesday, February 24, 2004 6:16 AM > Re: Tanvirji, question on ascendant > > > My other observation is that KP and Lahiri make a difference of upto > 3 months in calculation of starting and ending times of dasa > periods/sub-periods. Again I am bewildered...which system is more > accurate? > > (I missed my birth location in my prev mail - sorry. It is Mysore 76 > E 39, 12 N 18.) > > Best wishes, > Niranjan > > , "Niranjan S. Rao" > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > > Parashara Hora. > > > > Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed out > by > > Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind of > > computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the border > > of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or > both) > > houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant > and > > derivation of chalits or bhavas. > > > > Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional > > strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a > > student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. > > > > My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own horoscope. > > Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is in > > the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: > > 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how to > > gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example such > > as this? > > > > Best wishes, > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > , sourav dasgupta > > <sourav_dg> wrote: > > > Dear sir, > > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > > Parashara Hora. > > > This method is also written in the book " A manual of > > > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the > > > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century. > > > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find > > > the sign deposition of planets and also relation > > > between various planets, but in order to find the > > > results regarding various bhavas which the planets > > > will give we need to know the bhava position of > > > planets. > > > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava > > > result as per bhava placement. > > > regards, > > > sourav dasgupta > > > regards > > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Niranjan Jee, > > > > > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign > > > > where the Asc is > > > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree > > > > rising. Then the > > > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so > > > > on. In my > > > > practice I never found any chart that could prove / > > > > seemed to prove > > > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the > > > > rising point or > > > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. > > > > That gives a lot > > > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness > > > > of D charts, if > > > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like > > > > taking the rising > > > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not > > > > believe in it for > > > > the experiences and practices of me, and also > > > > because for the KP > > > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my > > > > own chart and life > > > > events so accurately and it only proves that the > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. > > > > > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and > > > > respect it a lot > > > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing > > > > with it. I never > > > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that > > > > balances the error > > > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-) > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > , "Niranjan > > > > S. Rao" > > > > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > > > Tanvirji, > > > > > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or > > > > the starting > > > > point > > > > > of the first house? > > > > > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many > > > > astrologers differ on this, > > > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the > > > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > > > should be the starting point of the first house or > > > > bhava, > > > > > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > What are your views on this? > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > > > http://antispam./tools > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > -- ---------- > Links > > > / > > b.. > > > c.. Terms of Service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2004 Report Share Posted February 24, 2004 Inderji, I partly agree with your view that there should be exceptions. > 1st house can be from 27 degree leo ... If we are talking KP, then we dont mix houses and signs In KP system, the zodiac signs and houses are two seperate things. The sky of 360 degrees around earth is divided equally into twelve houses. The eastern horizon (ascendant) is the midpoint of the 1st house (some people take the starting point). The western horizon is the midpoint of the 7th house. In the KP system, signs are used only to see the potential benefit or harm planets can cause. The actual prediction is made using these houses. The assumption is that the stars or zodiac sign are stationary. The chalits or houses and the planets move. The planets move in anti-clockwise direction and the houses move in clockwise direction. The movement of the horizon and houses is due earth's movement relative to the stars in the zodiacs. I do have a feeling, but not sure that KP gets the timing of events, periods/sub periods more accurately, while Lahiri may be stronger in intricacy of prediction. Looking for more views and insights! Best wishes, Niranjan , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear sirs, > I would like to join the discussion please. > Suppose Ascendent is rising 27 degree Leo ,then upto 26 degree leo > has not risen, so upto 26 degree leo would surely be part of 12th > house. > 1st house can be from 27 degree leo to say 25 degree virgo. > I dont think that you can/should simplify this. > A planet at say 16 degree leo would surely be in 12th house, > although it would give say about 25 % result of 1st house being in > leo. > regards > Inder > In , "Niranjan S. Rao" > <nsrao76> wrote: > > My other observation is that KP and Lahiri make a difference of > upto > > 3 months in calculation of starting and ending times of dasa > > periods/sub-periods. Again I am bewildered...which system is more > > accurate? > > > > (I missed my birth location in my prev mail - sorry. It is Mysore > 76 > > E 39, 12 N 18.) > > > > Best wishes, > > Niranjan > > > > , "Niranjan S. Rao" > > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > > > Parashara Hora. > > > > > > Yes, this is the process I was refering to. As rightly pointed > out > > by > > > Tanvir bhai, it is popular as KP. The reasoning behind this kind > of > > > computation may be to compensate for planets that are at the > border > > > of two houses? Such planets may give the results of either (or > > both) > > > houses? The results in KP system relies heavily on the ascendant > > and > > > derivation of chalits or bhavas. > > > > > > Lahiri system arrives at the same result using the positional > > > strength in the partcular sign and/or the Navamsa chart. I am a > > > student of Lahiri myself, I have strayed into KP these days. > > > > > > My interest in KP started due to peculiarities in my own > horoscope. > > > Especially when an astroger argued that Guru in my horoscope is > in > > > the 6th house as against my belief that it was in the 5th. (dob: > > > 03/07/76 5.50 pm). Guru is 29 deg in Aries. The question is how > to > > > gauge the strength of a planet (and its results) in an example > such > > > as this? > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > , sourav dasgupta > > > <sourav_dg> wrote: > > > > Dear sir, > > > > with reference to your question regarding ascendent > > > > and houses let me tell you there is a process > > > > regarding calculation of various houses in Brihat > > > > Parashara Hora. > > > > This method is also written in the book " A manual of > > > > Hindu astrology" by late Dr. B.V Raman one of the > > > > greatest astrologer India had in 21st century. > > > > According to this a from a rasi chart we can only find > > > > the sign deposition of planets and also relation > > > > between various planets, but in order to find the > > > > results regarding various bhavas which the planets > > > > will give we need to know the bhava position of > > > > planets. > > > > I have found in my horoscope , planets giving bhava > > > > result as per bhava placement. > > > > regards, > > > > sourav dasgupta > > > > regards > > > > --- Tanvir Chowdhury <lord_narayana@l...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Dear Niranjan Jee, > > > > > > > > > > As per my experience and practice, the whole sign > > > > > where the Asc is > > > > > becomes the first house, irrespective to the degree > > > > > rising. Then the > > > > > next sign [whole sign] becomes the 2nd house and so > > > > > on. In my > > > > > practice I never found any chart that could prove / > > > > > seemed to prove > > > > > that Asc should be counted from the starting of the > > > > > rising point or > > > > > keeping the rising point as middle of the 1st house. > > > > > That gives a lot > > > > > of confusions and also questions the authenticness > > > > > of D charts, if > > > > > you logically review how D charts are made. > > > > > > > > > > However, some systems like KP uses other ideas like > > > > > taking the rising > > > > > point to 'derive' the actual first house. I do not > > > > > believe in it for > > > > > the experiences and practices of me, and also > > > > > because for the KP > > > > > ayanamsa makes no sense to me - I have studied my > > > > > own chart and life > > > > > events so accurately and it only proves that the > > > > > Lahiri Ayanamsha is > > > > > exactly/almost exactly/sufficiently accurate. > > > > > > > > > > However, I have a very good impression on KP and > > > > > respect it a lot > > > > > because I have seen some great accuracy of timing > > > > > with it. I never > > > > > explored KP so I guess there is "something" that > > > > > balances the error > > > > > of ayanamsha KP uses :-) > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Tanvir. > > > > > > > > > > , "Niranjan > > > > > S. Rao" > > > > > <nsrao76> wrote: > > > > > > Tanvirji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Should ascendant be the midpoint of first house or > > > > > the starting > > > > > point > > > > > > of the first house? > > > > > > > > > > > > Although this is a basic question, many > > > > > astrologers differ on this, > > > > > > resulting in vast differences in predictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > Scientifically ascendant only represents the > > > > > Eastern horizon. So it > > > > > > should be the starting point of the first house or > > > > > bhava, > > > > > > irrespective of ayanamsa? > > > > > > > > > > > > What are your views on this? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > > > > http://antispam./tools Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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