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There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12

rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow for

other considerations such as:

 

bhavas in amshas

padas

bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither

chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always

bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a

horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

 

....

 

etc.

 

As long as we remember that when voting.

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Manasji,

 

I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was

generic.

 

My interpretation of the question was as follows:

 

"Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It is

linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a horoscope

tells us about this.

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan

 

, "Manas Kumar"

<manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12

> rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow for

> other considerations such as:

>

> bhavas in amshas

> padas

> bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

> bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither

> chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always

> bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a

> horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

>

> ...

>

> etc.

>

> As long as we remember that when voting.

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would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th

bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or

arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true

story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses

its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed

the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same chart

or yogadi work!

 

, "occult_oracle"

<occult_oracle> wrote:

> Manasji,

>

> I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was

> generic.

>

> My interpretation of the question was as follows:

>

> "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It

is

> linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a

horoscope

> tells us about this.

>

> Best wishes,

> Niranjan

>

> , "Manas Kumar"

> <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the

12

> > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow

for

> > other considerations such as:

> >

> > bhavas in amshas

> > padas

> > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

> > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither

> > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always

> > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a

> > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

> >

> > ...

> >

> > etc.

> >

> > As long as we remember that when voting.

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You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions

vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK,

while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of

the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it

agrees with the results of 12th bhava.

As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and that the

judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this science will not suffer.

 

 

Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the modern era.

Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are also documented in

detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed account on this topic.

 

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan

Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th bhava in

rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or arudha? Not all of

these 12th houses can possibly give the true story about liberation. If they

can, then astrology kind of looses its 'specificity' and some critics do

maintain that that is indeed the case, hence so many different interpretations

of the same chart or yogadi work!,

"occult_oracle" wrote:> Manasji,> > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I

guess the question was > generic.> > My interpretation of the question was as

follows:> > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It is

> linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a horoscope >

tells us about this.> > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > --- In

, "Manas Kumar" > wrote:> > There is a poll at

this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12 > > rashi bhavas are indicated

there, so the poll would not allow for > > other considerations such as:> > > >

bhavas in amshas> > padas> > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor> > bhavas

that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > > chandra, lagnesha

or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always> > bhavas that hold the karaka for

one of the three planes that a > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human

reality.> > > > ...> > > > etc.> > > > As long as we remember that when

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Niranjan saheb,

 

Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where mokshaprapti

does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

factors in this case.

5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India

You are also right when you state that interpretations could differ

and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid

re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. Using

this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and point

out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in

Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others that

you prefer).

 

Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:

13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA

 

Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but

what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and

liberation?

 

Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.

 

MKu

 

 

 

, Niranjan Rao

<occult_oracle> wrote:

> In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu

aspecting the 12th etc..so on.

>

> You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However

the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some

people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as

they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My

personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the

results of 12th bhava.

>

> As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and

that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this

science will not suffer.

>

> Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the

modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are

also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the

detailed account on this topic.

>

> Best wishes,

> Niranjan

>

> Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the

12th

> bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or

> arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true

> story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses

> its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed

> the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same

chart

> or yogadi work!

>

> , "occult_oracle"

> wrote:

> > Manasji,

> >

> > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was

> > generic.

> >

> > My interpretation of the question was as follows:

> >

> > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It

> is

> > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a

> horoscope

> > tells us about this.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Niranjan

> >

> > , "Manas Kumar"

> > wrote:

> > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only

the

> 12

> > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow

> for

> > > other considerations such as:

> > >

> > > bhavas in amshas

> > > padas

> > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

> > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is

neither

> > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always

> > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a

> > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > As long as we remember that when voting.

>

>

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

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Dear friends,

My idea of ultimate bhava:

-12th house for annhiliation of self(1st bhava) and everything

connected with self.

- 12th stands for our astral-body/soul/Brahama.

-when we lose anything health,wealth,freedom,name,fame,etc it comes

under 12th.

-All pains come under 12th.

-When this annihilation of self etc is SELF IMPOSED it can be termed

sprituality.(or when we have travelled all aspect bhava of life)

If you give away or lose something with spritual pleasure, this is

the greatest pleasure of life.12th bhava.

-Ultimate bhava in worldly sence would be 11th gains of all kind

including knowledge of sprituality.

-Merger of 1st house with 12th is also when we are in MEDITATION for

that duration losing our everything-ego, name, family etc fusing 2nd

to 11th bhava aspects.

-May be NIRVANA is when you merge self 1st bhava to universe 12th

bhava.

So 11th house in this world and 12th occult world are the ultimate

bhavas.

-Inder

 

, "Manas Kumar"

<manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> Niranjan saheb,

>

> Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

mokshaprapti

> does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

> factors in this case.

> 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India

> You are also right when you state that interpretations could

differ

> and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to

avoid

> re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others.

Using

> this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and

point

> out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in

> Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others

that

> you prefer).

>

> Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:

> 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA

>

> Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji,

but

> what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and

> liberation?

>

> Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.

>

> MKu

>

>

>

> , Niranjan Rao

> <occult_oracle> wrote:

> > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu

> aspecting the 12th etc..so on.

> >

> > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics.

However

> the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some

> people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa,

as

> they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My

> personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the

> results of 12th bhava.

> >

> > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science

and

> that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this

> science will not suffer.

> >

> > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in

the

> modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are

> also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the

> detailed account on this topic.

> >

> > Best wishes,

> > Niranjan

> >

> > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the

> 12th

> > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka

or

> > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true

> > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of

looses

> > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is

indeed

> > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same

> chart

> > or yogadi work!

> >

> > , "occult_oracle"

> > wrote:

> > > Manasji,

> > >

> > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question

was

> > > generic.

> > >

> > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:

> > >

> > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss".

It

> > is

> > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a

> > horoscope

> > > tells us about this.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Niranjan

> > >

> > > , "Manas Kumar"

> > > wrote:

> > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only

> the

> > 12

> > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not

allow

> > for

> > > > other considerations such as:

> > > >

> > > > bhavas in amshas

> > > > padas

> > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

> > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is

> neither

> > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always

> > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that

a

> > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > etc.

> > > >

> > > > As long as we remember that when voting.

> >

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Dear sirs,

 

So what happens if jupiter is in 12th bhava in aquarius and is lagna

lord of Pisces?

 

 

, "indervohra2001"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear friends,

> My idea of ultimate bhava:

> -12th house for annhiliation of self(1st bhava) and everything

> connected with self.

> - 12th stands for our astral-body/soul/Brahama.

> -when we lose anything health,wealth,freedom,name,fame,etc it comes

> under 12th.

> -All pains come under 12th.

> -When this annihilation of self etc is SELF IMPOSED it can be

termed

> sprituality.(or when we have travelled all aspect bhava of life)

> If you give away or lose something with spritual pleasure, this is

> the greatest pleasure of life.12th bhava.

> -Ultimate bhava in worldly sence would be 11th gains of all kind

> including knowledge of sprituality.

> -Merger of 1st house with 12th is also when we are in MEDITATION

for

> that duration losing our everything-ego, name, family etc fusing

2nd

> to 11th bhava aspects.

> -May be NIRVANA is when you merge self 1st bhava to universe 12th

> bhava.

> So 11th house in this world and 12th occult world are the ultimate

> bhavas.

> -Inder

>

> , "Manas Kumar"

> <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > Niranjan saheb,

> >

> > Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

> mokshaprapti

> > does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

> > factors in this case.

> > 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India

> > You are also right when you state that interpretations could

> differ

> > and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to

> avoid

> > re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others.

> Using

> > this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and

> point

> > out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation

in

> > Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others

> that

> > you prefer).

> >

> > Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:

> > 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA

> >

> > Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji,

> but

> > what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters

and

> > liberation?

> >

> > Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.

> >

> > MKu

> >

> >

> >

> > , Niranjan Rao

> > <occult_oracle> wrote:

> > > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu

> > aspecting the 12th etc..so on.

> > >

> > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics.

> However

> > the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some

> > people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa,

> as

> > they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My

> > personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the

> > results of 12th bhava.

> > >

> > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science

> and

> > that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this

> > science will not suffer.

> > >

> > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in

> the

> > modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts

are

> > also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives

the

> > detailed account on this topic.

> > >

> > > Best wishes,

> > > Niranjan

> > >

> > > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the

> > 12th

> > > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka

> or

> > > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true

> > > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of

> looses

> > > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is

> indeed

> > > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same

> > chart

> > > or yogadi work!

> > >

> > > , "occult_oracle"

> > > wrote:

> > > > Manasji,

> > > >

> > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question

> was

> > > > generic.

> > > >

> > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:

> > > >

> > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss".

> It

> > > is

> > > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a

> > > horoscope

> > > > tells us about this.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Niranjan

> > > >

> > > > , "Manas Kumar"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only

> > the

> > > 12

> > > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not

> allow

> > > for

> > > > > other considerations such as:

> > > > >

> > > > > bhavas in amshas

> > > > > padas

> > > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

> > > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is

> > neither

> > > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or

always

> > > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes

that

> a

> > > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > As long as we remember that when voting.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > > Links

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Yogoda:

Leo Asc. Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house.

i.e., the lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates

freedom from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his

autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his

journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed

that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK.

 

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu:

This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human incarnation.

Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has eclipsed the moon,

indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK is Saturn (4th

house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of

Ketu.

 

Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame):

I also had a quick look Ron's rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in

3rd house. The lord of Asc is situated in own house and there by strengthening

it. I did not spend much time on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to

explore)

 

 

Further D-9, D-24, and D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward

paramatma. D-9 is for the accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and

D-24 shows the spiritual evolution.

 

Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain bliss.

- Gyana maarga

- Bhakti maarga

- Yoga maarga

 

I will post on the source and nature in detail at a later date.

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan

 

Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Niranjan saheb,Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P.,

IndiaYou are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and

indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering,

as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I

hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors

that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart

(or others that you prefer).Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male

nativity:13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USAHardly in the same

league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what

does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and liberation?Thanks

for your time and effort given to this tutorial.MKu--- In

, Niranjan Rao wrote:> In general it is seen

from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu aspecting the 12th etc..so on.> > You

can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions

vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK,

while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of

the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it

agrees with the results of 12th bhava.> > As long as we remember that astrology

is an empirical science and that the judgements of different astrogers need not

agree, this science will not suffer. > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be

the most studied

yogi in the modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are

also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed

account on this topic. > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > Manas Kumar wrote:> would

the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th > bhava in rashi,

or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > arudha? Not all of these

12th houses can possibly give the true > story about liberation. If they can,

then astrology kind of looses > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain

that that is indeed > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the

same chart > or yogadi work!> > ,

"occult_oracle" > wrote:> > Manasji,> > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique.

But I guess the question was > >

generic.> > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:> > > >

"Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It > is > >

linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > horoscope > > tells

us about this.> > > > Best wishes,> > Niranjan> > > > --- In

, "Manas Kumar" > > wrote:> > > There is a poll

at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the > 12 > > > rashi bhavas are

indicated there, so the poll would not allow > for > > > other considerations

such as:> > > > > > bhavas in amshas> > > padas> > > bhavas that hold the

ultimate dispositor> > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it

is neither > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka,

etc -- necessarily or always> > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the

three planes that a > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human

reality.> > > > > > ...> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > As long as we remember that

when voting.> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ >

Links> > > > > > > >

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Okay, a very brief analysis...

 

Yogoda:

Leo Asc. Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house.

i.e., the lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates

freedom from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his

autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his

journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed

that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK.

 

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu:

This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human incarnation.

Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has eclipsed the moon,

indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK is Saturn (4th

house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of

Ketu.

 

Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame):

I also had a quick look Ron's rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in

3rd house. The lord of Asc is situated in own house and there by strengthening

it. I did not spend much time on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to

explore)

 

 

Further D-9, D-24, and D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward

paramatma. D-9 is for the accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and

D-24 shows the spiritual evolution.

 

Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain bliss.

- Gyana maarga

- Bhakti maarga

- Yoga maarga

 

I will post on the source and nature in detail at a later date.

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan

 

Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Niranjan saheb,Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P.,

IndiaYou are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and

indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering,

as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I

hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors

that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart

(or others that you prefer).Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male

nativity:13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USAHardly in the same

league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what

does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and liberation?Thanks

for your time and effort given to this tutorial.MKu--- In

, Niranjan Rao wrote:> In general it is seen

from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu aspecting the 12th etc..so on.> > You

can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions

vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK,

while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of

the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it

agrees with the results of 12th bhava.> > As long as we remember that astrology

is an empirical science and that the judgements of different astrogers need not

agree, this science will not suffer. > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be

the most studied

yogi in the modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are

also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed

account on this topic. > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > Manas Kumar wrote:> would

the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th > bhava in rashi,

or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > arudha? Not all of these

12th houses can possibly give the true > story about liberation. If they can,

then astrology kind of looses > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain

that that is indeed > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the

same chart > or yogadi work!> > ,

"occult_oracle" > wrote:> > Manasji,> > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique.

But I guess the question was > >

generic.> > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:> > > >

"Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It > is > >

linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > horoscope > > tells

us about this.> > > > Best wishes,> > Niranjan> > > > --- In

, "Manas Kumar" > > wrote:> > > There is a poll

at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the > 12 > > > rashi bhavas are

indicated there, so the poll would not allow > for > > > other considerations

such as:> > > > > > bhavas in amshas> > > padas> > > bhavas that hold the

ultimate dispositor> > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it

is neither > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka,

etc -- necessarily or always> > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the

three planes that a > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human

reality.> > > > > > ...> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > As long as we remember that

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Dear Sir,

There is no check back and validation on MOKSHA.

So no body can ever know what happens when Jup...,,as far as Moksha

is concerned.

But the astrologer can work out your physical losses etc from the

analysis of your Jup....

Inder

 

- In , "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar> wrote:

> Dear sirs,

>

> So what happens if jupiter is in 12th bhava in aquarius and is

lagna

> lord of Pisces?

>

>

> , "indervohra2001"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear friends,

> > My idea of ultimate bhava:

> > -12th house for annhiliation of self(1st bhava) and everything

> > connected with self.

> > - 12th stands for our astral-body/soul/Brahama.

> > -when we lose anything health,wealth,freedom,name,fame,etc it

comes

> > under 12th.

> > -All pains come under 12th.

> > -When this annihilation of self etc is SELF IMPOSED it can be

> termed

> > sprituality.(or when we have travelled all aspect bhava of life)

> > If you give away or lose something with spritual pleasure, this

is

> > the greatest pleasure of life.12th bhava.

> > -Ultimate bhava in worldly sence would be 11th gains of all kind

> > including knowledge of sprituality.

> > -Merger of 1st house with 12th is also when we are in MEDITATION

> for

> > that duration losing our everything-ego, name, family etc fusing

> 2nd

> > to 11th bhava aspects.

> > -May be NIRVANA is when you merge self 1st bhava to universe

12th

> > bhava.

> > So 11th house in this world and 12th occult world are the

ultimate

> > bhavas.

> > -Inder

> >

> > , "Manas Kumar"

> > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > Niranjan saheb,

> > >

> > > Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

> > mokshaprapti

> > > does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

> > > factors in this case.

> > > 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India

> > > You are also right when you state that interpretations could

> > differ

> > > and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to

> > avoid

> > > re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others.

> > Using

> > > this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and

> > point

> > > out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate

liberation

> in

> > > Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others

> > that

> > > you prefer).

> > >

> > > Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:

> > > 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA

> > >

> > > Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa

Yoganandji,

> > but

> > > what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters

> and

> > > liberation?

> > >

> > > Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.

> > >

> > > MKu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , Niranjan Rao

> > > <occult_oracle> wrote:

> > > > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg:

Ketu

> > > aspecting the 12th etc..so on.

> > > >

> > > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics.

> > However

> > > the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some

> > > people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use

navamsa,

> > as

> > > they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life.

My

> > > personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the

> > > results of 12th bhava.

> > > >

> > > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical

science

> > and

> > > that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree,

this

> > > science will not suffer.

> > > >

> > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi

in

> > the

> > > modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts

> are

> > > also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives

> the

> > > detailed account on this topic.

> > > >

> > > > Best wishes,

> > > > Niranjan

> > > >

> > > > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote:

> > > > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from

the

> > > 12th

> > > > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from

atmakaraka

> > or

> > > > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the

true

> > > > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of

> > looses

> > > > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is

> > indeed

> > > > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the

same

> > > chart

> > > > or yogadi work!

> > > >

> > > > , "occult_oracle"

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Manasji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the

question

> > was

> > > > > generic.

> > > > >

> > > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate

bliss".

> > It

> > > > is

> > > > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a

> > > > horoscope

> > > > > tells us about this.

> > > > >

> > > > > Best wishes,

> > > > > Niranjan

> > > > >

> > > > > , "Manas Kumar"

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'.

Only

> > > the

> > > > 12

> > > > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not

> > allow

> > > > for

> > > > > > other considerations such as:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > bhavas in amshas

> > > > > > padas

> > > > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor

> > > > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is

> > > neither

> > > > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or

> always

> > > > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes

> that

> > a

> > > > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

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Niranjan Rao

[occult_oracle (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:55 AMTo:

Subject: Re: Re: Ultimate bhava

Okay, a very brief analysis...

 

Yogoda:

Leo Asc. Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house.

i.e., the lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates

freedom from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his

autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his

journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed

that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK.

 

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu:

This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human incarnation.

Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has eclipsed the moon,

indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK is Saturn (4th

house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of

Ketu.

 

Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame):

I also had a quick look Ron's rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in

3rd house. The lord of Asc is situated in own house and there by strengthening

it. I did not spend much time on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to

explore)

 

 

Further D-9, D-24, and D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward

paramatma. D-9 is for the accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and

D-24 shows the spiritual evolution.

 

Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain bliss.

- Gyana maarga

- Bhakti maarga

- Yoga maarga

 

I will post on the source and nature in detail at a later date.

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan

 

Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Niranjan saheb,Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the

factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P.,

IndiaYou are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and

indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering,

as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I

hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors

that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart

(or others that you prefer).Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male

nativity:13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USAHardly in the same

league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what does this chart indicate,

using the 12th house parameters and liberation?Thanks for your time and effort

given to this tutorial.MKu

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