Guest guest Posted February 27, 2004 Report Share Posted February 27, 2004 There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12 rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow for other considerations such as: bhavas in amshas padas bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. .... etc. As long as we remember that when voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2004 Report Share Posted February 28, 2004 Manasji, I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was generic. My interpretation of the question was as follows: "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It is linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a horoscope tells us about this. Best wishes, Niranjan , "Manas Kumar" <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12 > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow for > other considerations such as: > > bhavas in amshas > padas > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. > > ... > > etc. > > As long as we remember that when voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same chart or yogadi work! , "occult_oracle" <occult_oracle> wrote: > Manasji, > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was > generic. > > My interpretation of the question was as follows: > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It is > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a horoscope > tells us about this. > > Best wishes, > Niranjan > > , "Manas Kumar" > <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12 > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow for > > other considerations such as: > > > > bhavas in amshas > > padas > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. > > > > ... > > > > etc. > > > > As long as we remember that when voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the results of 12th bhava. As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this science will not suffer. Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed account on this topic. Best wishes, Niranjan Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same chart or yogadi work!, "occult_oracle" wrote:> Manasji,> > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was > generic.> > My interpretation of the question was as follows:> > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It is > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a horoscope > tells us about this.> > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > --- In , "Manas Kumar" > wrote:> > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the 12 > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow for > > other considerations such as:> > > > bhavas in amshas> > padas> > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor> > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always> > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.> > > > ...> > > > etc.> > > > As long as we remember that when voting.~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:/<*> To from this group, send an email to:<*> Your Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 29, 2004 Report Share Posted February 29, 2004 Niranjan saheb, Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India You are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others that you prefer). Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity: 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and liberation? Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial. MKu , Niranjan Rao <occult_oracle> wrote: > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu aspecting the 12th etc..so on. > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the results of 12th bhava. > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this science will not suffer. > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed account on this topic. > > Best wishes, > Niranjan > > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same chart > or yogadi work! > > , "occult_oracle" > wrote: > > Manasji, > > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was > > generic. > > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows: > > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It > is > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > horoscope > > tells us about this. > > > > Best wishes, > > Niranjan > > > > , "Manas Kumar" > > wrote: > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the > 12 > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow > for > > > other considerations such as: > > > > > > bhavas in amshas > > > padas > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. > > > > > > ... > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting. > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear friends, My idea of ultimate bhava: -12th house for annhiliation of self(1st bhava) and everything connected with self. - 12th stands for our astral-body/soul/Brahama. -when we lose anything health,wealth,freedom,name,fame,etc it comes under 12th. -All pains come under 12th. -When this annihilation of self etc is SELF IMPOSED it can be termed sprituality.(or when we have travelled all aspect bhava of life) If you give away or lose something with spritual pleasure, this is the greatest pleasure of life.12th bhava. -Ultimate bhava in worldly sence would be 11th gains of all kind including knowledge of sprituality. -Merger of 1st house with 12th is also when we are in MEDITATION for that duration losing our everything-ego, name, family etc fusing 2nd to 11th bhava aspects. -May be NIRVANA is when you merge self 1st bhava to universe 12th bhava. So 11th house in this world and 12th occult world are the ultimate bhavas. -Inder , "Manas Kumar" <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > Niranjan saheb, > > Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where mokshaprapti > does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the > factors in this case. > 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India > You are also right when you state that interpretations could differ > and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid > re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. Using > this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and point > out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in > Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others that > you prefer). > > Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity: > 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA > > Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but > what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and > liberation? > > Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial. > > MKu > > > > , Niranjan Rao > <occult_oracle> wrote: > > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu > aspecting the 12th etc..so on. > > > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However > the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some > people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as > they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My > personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the > results of 12th bhava. > > > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and > that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this > science will not suffer. > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the > modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are > also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the > detailed account on this topic. > > > > Best wishes, > > Niranjan > > > > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the > 12th > > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true > > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses > > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed > > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same > chart > > or yogadi work! > > > > , "occult_oracle" > > wrote: > > > Manasji, > > > > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was > > > generic. > > > > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows: > > > > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It > > is > > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > > horoscope > > > tells us about this. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Niranjan > > > > > > , "Manas Kumar" > > > wrote: > > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only > the > > 12 > > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow > > for > > > > other considerations such as: > > > > > > > > bhavas in amshas > > > > padas > > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor > > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is > neither > > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always > > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting. > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends > today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear sirs, So what happens if jupiter is in 12th bhava in aquarius and is lagna lord of Pisces? , "indervohra2001" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear friends, > My idea of ultimate bhava: > -12th house for annhiliation of self(1st bhava) and everything > connected with self. > - 12th stands for our astral-body/soul/Brahama. > -when we lose anything health,wealth,freedom,name,fame,etc it comes > under 12th. > -All pains come under 12th. > -When this annihilation of self etc is SELF IMPOSED it can be termed > sprituality.(or when we have travelled all aspect bhava of life) > If you give away or lose something with spritual pleasure, this is > the greatest pleasure of life.12th bhava. > -Ultimate bhava in worldly sence would be 11th gains of all kind > including knowledge of sprituality. > -Merger of 1st house with 12th is also when we are in MEDITATION for > that duration losing our everything-ego, name, family etc fusing 2nd > to 11th bhava aspects. > -May be NIRVANA is when you merge self 1st bhava to universe 12th > bhava. > So 11th house in this world and 12th occult world are the ultimate > bhavas. > -Inder > > , "Manas Kumar" > <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > Niranjan saheb, > > > > Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where > mokshaprapti > > does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the > > factors in this case. > > 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India > > You are also right when you state that interpretations could > differ > > and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to > avoid > > re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. > Using > > this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and > point > > out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in > > Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others > that > > you prefer). > > > > Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity: > > 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA > > > > Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, > but > > what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and > > liberation? > > > > Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial. > > > > MKu > > > > > > > > , Niranjan Rao > > <occult_oracle> wrote: > > > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu > > aspecting the 12th etc..so on. > > > > > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. > However > > the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some > > people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, > as > > they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My > > personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the > > results of 12th bhava. > > > > > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science > and > > that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this > > science will not suffer. > > > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in > the > > modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are > > also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the > > detailed account on this topic. > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > Niranjan > > > > > > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the > > 12th > > > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka > or > > > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true > > > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of > looses > > > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is > indeed > > > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same > > chart > > > or yogadi work! > > > > > > , "occult_oracle" > > > wrote: > > > > Manasji, > > > > > > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question > was > > > > generic. > > > > > > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows: > > > > > > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". > It > > > is > > > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > > > horoscope > > > > tells us about this. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > , "Manas Kumar" > > > > wrote: > > > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only > > the > > > 12 > > > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not > allow > > > for > > > > > other considerations such as: > > > > > > > > > > bhavas in amshas > > > > > padas > > > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor > > > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is > > neither > > > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always > > > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that > a > > > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends > > today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Yogoda: Leo Asc. Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house. i.e., the lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates freedom from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu: This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human incarnation. Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has eclipsed the moon, indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK is Saturn (4th house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of Ketu. Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame): I also had a quick look Ron's rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in 3rd house. The lord of Asc is situated in own house and there by strengthening it. I did not spend much time on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to explore) Further D-9, D-24, and D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward paramatma. D-9 is for the accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and D-24 shows the spiritual evolution. Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain bliss. - Gyana maarga - Bhakti maarga - Yoga maarga I will post on the source and nature in detail at a later date. Best wishes, Niranjan Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Niranjan saheb,Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., IndiaYou are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others that you prefer).Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USAHardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and liberation?Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.MKu--- In , Niranjan Rao wrote:> In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu aspecting the 12th etc..so on.> > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the results of 12th bhava.> > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this science will not suffer. > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed account on this topic. > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > Manas Kumar wrote:> would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same chart > or yogadi work!> > , "occult_oracle" > wrote:> > Manasji,> > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was > > generic.> > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:> > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It > is > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > horoscope > > tells us about this.> > > > Best wishes,> > Niranjan> > > > --- In , "Manas Kumar" > > wrote:> > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the > 12 > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow > for > > > other considerations such as:> > > > > > bhavas in amshas> > > padas> > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor> > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always> > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.> > > > > > ...> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting.> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links> > > > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or LexmarkPrinter at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511http://us.click./mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/C9XolB/TM---~->~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:/<*> To from this group, send an email to:<*> Your Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Okay, a very brief analysis... Yogoda: Leo Asc. Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house. i.e., the lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates freedom from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu: This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human incarnation. Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has eclipsed the moon, indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK is Saturn (4th house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of Ketu. Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame): I also had a quick look Ron's rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in 3rd house. The lord of Asc is situated in own house and there by strengthening it. I did not spend much time on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to explore) Further D-9, D-24, and D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward paramatma. D-9 is for the accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and D-24 shows the spiritual evolution. Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain bliss. - Gyana maarga - Bhakti maarga - Yoga maarga I will post on the source and nature in detail at a later date. Best wishes, Niranjan Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Niranjan saheb,Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., IndiaYou are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others that you prefer).Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USAHardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and liberation?Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.MKu--- In , Niranjan Rao wrote:> In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu aspecting the 12th etc..so on.> > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. However the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the results of 12th bhava.> > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this science will not suffer. > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts are also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives the detailed account on this topic. > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > Manas Kumar wrote:> would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the 12th > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of looses > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is indeed > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same chart > or yogadi work!> > , "occult_oracle" > wrote:> > Manasji,> > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question was > > generic.> > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows:> > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". It > is > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > horoscope > > tells us about this.> > > > Best wishes,> > Niranjan> > > > --- In , "Manas Kumar" > > wrote:> > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only the > 12 > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not allow > for > > > other considerations such as:> > > > > > bhavas in amshas> > > padas> > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor> > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is neither > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always> > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.> > > > > > ...> > > > > > etc.> > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting.> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > Links> > > > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now------------------------ Sponsor ---------------------~-->Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or LexmarkPrinter at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US & Canada.http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511http://us.click./mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/C9XolB/TM---~->~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links<*> To visit your group on the web, go to:/<*> To from this group, send an email to:<*> Your Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2004 Report Share Posted March 1, 2004 Dear Sir, There is no check back and validation on MOKSHA. So no body can ever know what happens when Jup...,,as far as Moksha is concerned. But the astrologer can work out your physical losses etc from the analysis of your Jup.... Inder - In , "parvatishankar" <parvatishankar> wrote: > Dear sirs, > > So what happens if jupiter is in 12th bhava in aquarius and is lagna > lord of Pisces? > > > , "indervohra2001" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear friends, > > My idea of ultimate bhava: > > -12th house for annhiliation of self(1st bhava) and everything > > connected with self. > > - 12th stands for our astral-body/soul/Brahama. > > -when we lose anything health,wealth,freedom,name,fame,etc it comes > > under 12th. > > -All pains come under 12th. > > -When this annihilation of self etc is SELF IMPOSED it can be > termed > > sprituality.(or when we have travelled all aspect bhava of life) > > If you give away or lose something with spritual pleasure, this is > > the greatest pleasure of life.12th bhava. > > -Ultimate bhava in worldly sence would be 11th gains of all kind > > including knowledge of sprituality. > > -Merger of 1st house with 12th is also when we are in MEDITATION > for > > that duration losing our everything-ego, name, family etc fusing > 2nd > > to 11th bhava aspects. > > -May be NIRVANA is when you merge self 1st bhava to universe 12th > > bhava. > > So 11th house in this world and 12th occult world are the ultimate > > bhavas. > > -Inder > > > > , "Manas Kumar" > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > Niranjan saheb, > > > > > > Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where > > mokshaprapti > > > does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the > > > factors in this case. > > > 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India > > > You are also right when you state that interpretations could > > differ > > > and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to > > avoid > > > re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. > > Using > > > this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and > > point > > > out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation > in > > > Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others > > that > > > you prefer). > > > > > > Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity: > > > 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USA > > > > > > Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, > > but > > > what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters > and > > > liberation? > > > > > > Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial. > > > > > > MKu > > > > > > > > > > > > , Niranjan Rao > > > <occult_oracle> wrote: > > > > In general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu > > > aspecting the 12th etc..so on. > > > > > > > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for specifics. > > However > > > the opinions vary depending different schools of thought. Some > > > people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, > > as > > > they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My > > > personal preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the > > > results of 12th bhava. > > > > > > > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science > > and > > > that the judgements of different astrogers need not agree, this > > > science will not suffer. > > > > > > > > Paramahamsa Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in > > the > > > modern era. Just like other aspects his life, his birth charts > are > > > also documented in detail. It comes highly recomended as gives > the > > > detailed account on this topic. > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > Manas Kumar <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > > would the matters surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the > > > 12th > > > > bhava in rashi, or navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka > > or > > > > arudha? Not all of these 12th houses can possibly give the true > > > > story about liberation. If they can, then astrology kind of > > looses > > > > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain that that is > > indeed > > > > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the same > > > chart > > > > or yogadi work! > > > > > > > > , "occult_oracle" > > > > wrote: > > > > > Manasji, > > > > > > > > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess the question > > was > > > > > generic. > > > > > > > > > > My interpretation of the question was as follows: > > > > > > > > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or "ulitmate bliss". > > It > > > > is > > > > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The 12th house in a > > > > horoscope > > > > > tells us about this. > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > Niranjan > > > > > > > > > > , "Manas Kumar" > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > There is a poll at this site for the 'ultimate bhava'. Only > > > the > > > > 12 > > > > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there, so the poll would not > > allow > > > > for > > > > > > other considerations such as: > > > > > > > > > > > > bhavas in amshas > > > > > > padas > > > > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate dispositor > > > > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is > > > neither > > > > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or > always > > > > > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes > that > > a > > > > > > horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality. > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your > friends > > > today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 2, 2004 Report Share Posted March 2, 2004 What are the birth details of Chaitanya Mahaprabhu? Niranjan Rao [occult_oracle (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Tuesday, March 02, 2004 3:55 AMTo: Subject: Re: Re: Ultimate bhava Okay, a very brief analysis... Yogoda: Leo Asc. Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house. i.e., the lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates freedom from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK. Chaitanya Mahaprabhu: This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human incarnation. Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has eclipsed the moon, indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK is Saturn (4th house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of Ketu. Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame): I also had a quick look Ron's rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in 3rd house. The lord of Asc is situated in own house and there by strengthening it. I did not spend much time on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to explore) Further D-9, D-24, and D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward paramatma. D-9 is for the accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and D-24 shows the spiritual evolution. Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain bliss. - Gyana maarga - Bhakti maarga - Yoga maarga I will post on the source and nature in detail at a later date. Best wishes, Niranjan Manas Kumar <manaskumar (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote: Niranjan saheb,Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where mokshaprapti does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the factors in this case. 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., IndiaYou are also right when you state that interpretations could differ and indeed we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid re-engineering, as they say, interpretations given by others. Using this chart as an example, I hope you would take some time and point out the specific strong factor/factors that indicate liberation in Swamiji's chart using the 12th house in rashi chart (or others that you prefer).Another spiritually interesting chart is of the male nativity:13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden, Nebraska, USAHardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji, but what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and liberation?Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.MKu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.