Ultimate bhava ---> Inder

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Ofcourse all the bhavas should be taken into account before predicting results.

As detailed very well in the chapter on "judging a horoscope" BV Raman's book.

I agree with you on this.

 

My note on D-9, D-24 and D-20 conveys the samething. The D-charts are indeed for

the "microscopic" examination of different bhavas.

 

12th Bhava only gives the vital hint for spiritual evolution of a person and his/her moksha prapti.

 

Lastly, Dalai Lama is a spiritual person and also a political leader. He may

have renounced some, but not all the worldly aspects. In my view, we should

refrain from quoting alleged statements from people. The press distorts many

statements and tries to give a diffrent flavour. So you never know.

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan

indervohra2001 <indervohra2001 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear sirs,In my humble opinion, the accomplishments of Chaitanya Mahaparabhu and

of Yoganand should be analysed through 11th,10th and 9th houses.When Deha (

body)is formed out of universe all aspects of life as seen in all the 12 bhavas

are to be gone through.Dalai Lama during a recent interview, when asked about

regret of his life told that he has curiosity about females.This is a stunning

reply from a Yougi.Yoganand in his biography describes many aspects of life.

Even talked of pleasure of food but omitted about discussion on sex. ( perhaps

Victorian/Indian sensabilities). Otherwise we could have got some revealations

from the great Yogi as we have from Osho.Mystery of 12th bhava or Moksha can

not resolved as there are no check backs or validation. 12th is ultimate

mystry!Inder-- In

, Niranjan Rao wrote:> Manas....the date of

birth of Ron Hubbard is actually 13 Mar 1911, not 1811!! Just realised this

morning that he was very much a 20th century man. I just took the date you gave

me for generating his chart. A grave error :-(> > His Asc is actually Cancer and

his 12th lord mercury is the 8th along with 2nd lord sun. No wonder he made such

advancement in spiritualism in a society, which still thinks man is a one-life

animal.> > My yesterday's post was full of errors as it was late in the night

and I do get "dyslexic" at times (guess it happens with everyone).> > My

further apologies to the group. However, I guess the key messages I had to

convey are still valid. Please focus on the judgemental aspects of this post

and ignore the errors.> > > Niranjan Rao wrote:> Apologies...AK

occupies the house of kuja (mars) in both cases. This only indicates a difficult

path.> > Niranjan Rao wrote: Okay, a very brief analysis...> > Yogoda:> Leo Asc.

Moon the lord of 12th house is in 12th position from the 12th house. i.e., the

lord of moksha bhava occupies the lagna or 1st house. This indicates freedom

from the cycle of re-birth. Also, as Yogoda himself narrates in his

autobiography, that he had taken birth again as a yogi only to complete his

journey to the abode of God. His AK is Venus (4th house). It can be observed

that moksha karaka ketu is in 12 position from AK. > > Chaitanya Mahaprabhu:>

This is a much better example, because this was the Almighty himself in human

incarnation.> Again Leo Asc. Moon in the lagna. But moksha karaka ketu has

eclipsed the moon, indicating the non-existance of birth cycle. In this case AK

is Saturn (4th

house). As in Yogoda's chart, we can observe that the AK occupies the house of

Ketu.> > Ron Hubbard (of scientology fame):> I also had a quick look Ron's

rashi chart on your request. His 12th lord is in 3rd house. The lord of Asc is

situated in own house and there by strengthening it. I did not spend much time

on this. (Sorry! I will leave it to you to explore)> > > Further D-9, D-24, and

D-20 give the source and nature of the journey toward paramatma. D-9 is for the

accomplishments of life...D-24 denotes education and D-24 shows the spiritual

evolution.> > Hindus believe that there are three paths or "maarga" ot attain

bliss.> - Gyana maarga > - Bhakti maarga> - Yoga maarga> > I will post on the

source and nature in detail at a later date.> > > Best wishes,> Niranjan> > >

Manas Kumar wrote:>

Niranjan saheb,> > Yoganandji would be undoubtedly a good candidate where

mokshaprapti > does not sound far-fetched and so should strongly indicate the >

factors in this case. > 5 January 1893, 20:38 hrs (LMT), Gorakhpur, U.P., India>

You are also right when you state that interpretations could differ > and indeed

we see this happen quite often. I therefore try to avoid > re-engineering, as

they say, interpretations given by others. Using > this chart as an example, I

hope you would take some time and point > out the specific strong

factor/factors that indicate liberation in > Swamiji's chart using the 12th

house in rashi chart (or others that > you prefer).> > Another spiritually

interesting chart is of the male nativity:> 13 March 1811, 2:01 AM CST, Tilden,

Nebraska, USA> > Hardly in the same league as the famous Paramahansa Yoganandji,

but > what does this chart indicate, using the 12th house parameters and >

liberation?> > Thanks for your time and effort given to this tutorial.> > MKu>

> > > , Niranjan Rao > wrote:> > In

general it is seen from 12th house in rashi chart. Eg: Ketu > aspecting the

12th etc..so on.> > > > You can also look into the amsa or D charts for

specifics. However > the opinions vary depending different schools of thought.

Some > people prefer to use AK, while some others prefer to use navamsa, as >

they think "liberation" is one of the "bhagya" of human life. My > personal

preference is to look from AK ..as it agrees with the > results of 12th bhava.>

> > > As long as we remember that astrology is an empirical science and > that

the judgements of different

astrogers need not agree, this > science will not suffer. > > > > Paramahamsa

Yogananda is known to be the most studied yogi in the > modern era. Just like

other aspects his life, his birth charts are > also documented in detail. It

comes highly recomended as gives the > detailed account on this topic. > > > >

Best wishes,> > Niranjan> > > > Manas Kumar wrote:> > would the matters

surrounding 'liberation' be learned from the > 12th > > bhava in rashi, or

navamsha, vimshamsha or 12th from atmakaraka or > > arudha? Not all of these

12th houses can possibly give the true > > story about liberation. If they can,

then astrology kind of looses > > its 'specificity' and some critics do maintain

that that is indeed > > the case, hence so many different interpretations of the

same > chart > > or

yogadi work!> > > > , "occult_oracle" > >

wrote:> > > Manasji,> > > > > > I agree. Each horoscope is unique. But I guess

the question was > > > generic.> > > > > > My interpretation of the question

was as follows:> > > > > > "Utimate truth" is the "ulimate destiny" or

"ulitmate bliss". It > > is > > > linked to the liberation of the soul. The

12th house in a > > horoscope > > > tells us about this.> > > > > > Best

wishes,> > > Niranjan> > > > > > ,

"Manas Kumar" > > > wrote:> > > > There is a poll at this site for the

'ultimate bhava'. Only > the > > 12 > > > > rashi bhavas are indicated there,

so

the poll would not allow > > for > > > > other considerations such as:> > > > >

> > > bhavas in amshas> > > > padas> > > > bhavas that hold the ultimate

dispositor> > > > bhavas that hold the key planet in a horoscope and it is >

neither > > > > chandra, lagnesha or atmakaraka, etc -- necessarily or always>

> > > bhavas that hold the karaka for one of the three planes that a > > > >

horoscope indicates in consonance with human reality.> > > > > > > > ...> > > >

> > > > etc.> > > > > > > > As long as we remember that when voting.> > > > > >

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Respected Niranjanji,

 

Of course D-charts are important for predictions. Can you refer some book for

rectification before going into deep with d-charts?

 

regards,

Pankaj

Niranjan Rao

[occult_oracle (AT) (DOT) co.uk]Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:48 PMTo:

Subject: Re: Re: Ultimate bhava ---> Inder

Chaitanya Mahaprabhu was a yogi and also the incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Hence

at least I have no doubt in his case. I think if you look at the charts of

incarnations of the Lord...the results can be validated.

 

Ofcourse all the bhavas should be taken into account before predicting results.

As detailed very well in the chapter on "judging a horoscope" BV Raman's book.

I agree with you on this.

 

My note on D-9, D-24 and D-20 conveys the samething. The D-charts are indeed for

the "microscopic" examination of different bhavas.

 

12th Bhava only gives the vital hint for spiritual evolution of a person and his/her moksha prapti.

 

Lastly, Dalai Lama is a spiritual person and also a political leader. He may

have renounced some, but not all the worldly aspects. In my view, we should

refrain from quoting alleged statements from people. The press distorts many

statements and tries to give a diffrent flavour. So you never know.

 

Best wishes,

Niranjan