Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 That is defination I have found on VARGOTTAM VARGOTTAMA A planet occupying the same zodiacal sign in the Navamsa (q.v.) as in the natal chart. Such a planet becomes very powerful in bestowing its auspicious results. Thx Raman OM [explore_vulcan ]Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:33 AMSubject: To Raman: Anita's horoscope discussion 1: From SouvikHi Raman,I had a look at her horoscope. Well, yes there are a few problems but most of them (I feel so) are on the mental plane.1. Saturn conjunct natal moon (Sade Sathi)2. Rahu conjunct Asc with natal RahuThese are the two problems at hand.Mars+Ketu conjuction don't seem to be a problem as Mars is vargottam in Libra (vayu kshetra) in Venus's house.Well, it will just make her divert her attention to peace and equality. Well, she may also like sleeping and ample rest!!Anyway, Raman , it is a temporary phase and u know that Gemini is heavily populated for her and Gochar Saturn's presence there for Aries asc. is not good at all.Just relax!! Bad times will end!!In my very personal opinion, worship the Ulimate force of the world, Devadidev Mahadev and all ur troubles will fly away in a blink.Regards,Souvik, "OM" <explore_vulcan> wrote:> Yes, Raman I received the mail and the attachment in my mail. I would > get back to u...> > However, any comments on y I couldnot receive it thru the group mail.> > Moderators, any suggestion from u...> > Regards,> Souvik> > , "Calla, Raman" <rcalla@s...> > wrote:> > I have sent directly you too.> > Did you received it.> > > > thx> > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > Sun 4/18/2004 11:08 PM > > > > Cc: > > To Raman and Moderators :Re: Souvik: From Souvik> > > > > > Hi Raman, Neeraj and Tanvir,> > > > Please note that I cannot view any attachment sent by a > member, Raman.> > > > Is this a temporary problem or a permanent one. Am I > following a > > wrong procedure or is this problem faced by all.> > > > Sorry, Raman, even this time I got no attachment. Try to see > it by > > logging on to > > > > Please do let me know (moderators) if the problem is at my > side!!> > > > Regards> > > > Souvik> > > > , "Calla, Raman" > <rcalla@s...> > > wrote:> > > I did attached them . This time I sending you directly too.> > > If not please let me know.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > rc> > > > > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > Sun 4/18/2004 10:57 PM > > > > > > Cc: > > > To Raman:Re: Souvik: From Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Raman,> > > > > > I didnot receive any attachment. Did u miss to attch > it?> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Souvik> > > > > > , "Calla, > Raman" > > <rcalla@s...> > > > wrote:> > > > Here you go Souvik.> > > > > > > > regards!> > > > > > > > Raman> > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > > Sun 4/18/2004 10:39 PM > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > To Raman:Re: Souvik: From Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > Raman...give me her details (I donot have > Jhl5 with > > me right > > > now so > > > > please give me the txt file or the details in > > text)...Her > > > horoscope I > > > > mean..may be the 8th. or 12th. house > problem...> > > > > > > > Also send ur deatils..Do u also have Mars in > kendra??> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Souvik> > > > > , "Calla, > > Raman" > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > wrote:> > > > > It is not me, my wife has it.> > > > > She also some health problem. I think she > has it > > because > > > Mars and > > > > Ketu conjuction in Libra.> > > > > > > > > > Now any thought on it.> > > > > > > > > > regards!> > > > > > > > > > Raman.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > > > Sun 4/18/2004 10:18 PM > > > > > To: > > > > > Cc: > > > > > To Raman:Re: Souvik: > From Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raman,> > > > > > > > > > Yes, u r correct...fighting spirit is > good > > but it can > > > be > > > > deadly as > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > Two circumstances:> > > > > > > > > > 1. friend1 plays a prank on another > friend2. > > If f2 > > > has > > > > mars+ketu > > > > > conjunction he will be proactive > and "over-> > prepared" > > > for such > > > > a > > > > > prank. He may over react and thus > take things > > > > too "seriously"!!> > > > > > > > > > 2. If with such a combi (mars + > ketu), he > > also has > > > good > > > > rationality > > > > > and other "cooler" aspects, he will > wait till > > things > > > donot go > > > > out of > > > > > hand and stay cool and learn to watch > and > > wait...and > > > then > > > > react..> > > > > > > > > > IT is just the difference of > approach...> > > > > > > > > > Dear, I myself have Mars 8th aspect > on my > > Lagna Ketu > > > and I > > > > feel I am > > > > > quite rational!!! :)> > > > > > > > > > Do u have the same??> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > , "Calla, > > > Raman" > > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > But Souvik Ji you are calling it > deadly.> > > > > > Fighting Spirit is good any way.> > > > > > > > > > > > Please give more on that.> > > > > > > > > > > > regards!> > > > > > > > > > > > Raaman> > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > OM > [explore_vulcan] > > > > > > Sent: Sun 4/18/2004 9:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > To Raman:Re: > Souvik: > > From Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Raman,> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th.house Mars+Ketu in Libra > means, > > Mars more > > > > powerful and in > > > > > direct > > > > > > opposition to Rahu. Thus an > > inborn "fighting > > > spirit" > > > > > predominates the > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Calla, > > > > Raman" > > > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > Ketu and Mars.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has in 7 house and He is > Aries.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-> ---- > > > > > > > OM > > [explore_vulcan] > > > > > > > Thu 4/15/2004 > 11:56 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > To > > > > Parvatishankar:Mars+Ketu:From Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Parvatishankar,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars+Ketu conjunction > is > > DEADLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, if Mars > dominates then > > Ketu > > > addes the > > > > analytical > > > > > power > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > activity and the > person > > becomes > > > almost > > > > invinsible.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if Ketu > dominates, > > the whole > > > energy > > > > is > > > > > devoted to > > > > > > > the "analysis" of the > > Ultimate and > > > the Truth.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both cases, the > aspect or > > > conjunction of > > > > Mars+Ketu > > > > > is > > > > > > noteworthy.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen such > cases too in > > my life.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "parvatishankar" > > > > > > > <parvatishankar> > wrote:> > > > > > > > Hi,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have friend with > Mars and > > Ketu in > > > taurus > > > > > ascendant...i > > > > > > have heard > > > > > > > > that ketu behaves > like > > mars, this > > > perhaps > > > > acts like > > > > > a > > > > > > double mars > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > ascendant...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have never met a > person > > oozing so > > > much of > > > > martian > > > > > male > > > > > > > > energy...he's > downright > > aggressive, > > > > dominating and > > > > > > adamant...no one > > > > > > > > can change his mind > on > > anything > > > that it's > > > > set > > > > > > upon...whatever the > > > > > > > > trouble he faces > it, rather > > dares > > > > it! ...and i have > > > > > > observed that > > > > > > > > with some strange > inner > > drive and > > > > determination he > > > > > > continues to > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > for it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....there's another > friend > > with an > > > exalted > > > > mars in > > > > > lagna > > > > > > but a > > > > > > > > retrograde exalted > > mars...the > > > difference is > > > > quite > > > > > > astounding...he > > > > > > > > looks slightly like > a mars-> > ruled > > > person but > > > > the the > > > > > > restless mars > > > > > > > > energy has been > diverted > > > inward!...anger > > > > surfaces > > > > > when he's > > > > > > drunk! > > > > > > > > his girlfriend > complained > > that he > > > used to > > > > beat her > > > > > up when > > > > > > drunk! i > > > > > > > > have seen him > violent a > > couple of > > > times and > > > > have > > > > > been > > > > > > shocked > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > otherwise he's > quite a soft > > spoken, > > > amiable > > > > fellow! > > > > > exalted > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > retrograde can be > quite > > deceptive!> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > , "khallopapa" > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >From my > observation...I > > feel Mars > > > strong > > > > in any > > > > > chart(not > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > ascendent) gives > a lot of > > > enterprise and > > > > drive to > > > > > the > > > > > > native. I > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > still a learner > though:-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Rajeev > > > > > > Tadepalli" > > > > > > > > > > <Rajeev.Tadepalli@S...> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your > > observation is > > > right. > > > > Mars in > > > > > the > > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > > > > give the native > a lot > > of > > > enterprise and > > > > drive.> > > > > > > > > > I > am a > > Taurus > > > ascendant > > > > with Mars > > > > > in > > > > > > it. I > > > > > > > > > > confirm your > > observation out of > > > my > > > > experience.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > see, in > > Triveni > > > > Sangamam, River > > > > > > Saraswati is, > > > > > > > > > > Antarvahini, > that is it > > flows > > > through > > > > > underground and > > > > > > seen by > > > > > > > > > people.> > > > > > > > > > The > other > > two > > > rivers flow > > > > on the > > > > > surface of > > > > > > earth to > > > > > > > > > > be seen and > polluted by > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > this > > energy, > > > drive, > > > > enterprise > > > > > etc flow > > > > > > > > > > subversively > and are > > not > > > apparent.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether > > this > > > Martian energy > > > > is > > > > > exhibited > > > > > > externally > > > > > > > > > > or not is > highly > > dependent of > > > the > > > > Ascendent > > > > > Sign.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some > > Ascendants > > > like Leo, > > > > > Saggitarius etc. > > > > > > It can be > > > > > > > > > > observed > externally in > > > behaviour.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a > > tendency > > > for > > > > these > > > > > natives to be > > > > > > adamant. > > > > > > > > > > > Apparantly > > they > > > seem to be > > > > agreeing > > > > > but > > > > > > eventually > > > > > > > > > > be taking their > own > > course > > > unless > > > > convinced of > > > > > the over > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > point.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manas > > > > > Kumar" > > > > > > > > > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > I distinguish > between > > > assertive and > > > > agressive > > > > > > (subject of the > > > > > > > > > > post) > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > dynamic/energetic/motivated.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , srik > > > > > rami > > > > > > > > > <srikrami> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it > does, > > either > > > when placed > > > > with > > > > > ascendent > > > > > > lord or > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > ascendent. > They will > > be > > > dynamic and > > > > highly > > > > > motivated > > > > > > with > > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > > > > > martian force.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manas Kumar > > > <manaskumar@h...> > > > > wrote: Put a > > > > > soldier > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > warfield, he > will > > fight, put > > > him to > > > > pasture, > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > will wither > away. > > Mars gets > > > exalted > > > > in > > > > > capricorn > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars may > not always > > be > > > associated > > > > with > > > > > aggression, > > > > > > just > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > stereotypes > are not > > 100% > > > accurate. > > > > > Astrology has > > > > > > its own > > > > > > > set > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereotypical ankle > > > chains ;-)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "OM" > > > > > > > > > > > > <explore_vulcan> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Manas,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is > an > > excellent > > > point > > > > brought out by > > > > > you. A > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > back, > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > document (wars > > of the > > > world), > > > > where I > > > > > pointed > > > > > > out that > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > disasters > took > > place in > > > history > > > > when > > > > > there was > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > Opposed > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > force > most > > commonly Rahu > > > and > > > > Saturn.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do > strongly > > belief that > > > the > > > > aggressive > > > > > nature > > > > > > of humans > > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributed to > > Mars in > > > Ascendant > > > > or with > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > Lord alone. > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a > some > > opposition.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A hero > is > > useless > > > without a > > > > villian"-Tom > > > > > Cruise, > > > > > > MIssion > > > > > > > > > > > > ImpossibleII> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do let me > know ur > > views,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manas > > > > > > Kumar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manaskumar@h...> > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler > did not > > have > > > mars in > > > > first house > > > > > but in > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnesh. Most > > of his > > > cruel > > > > deeds and > > > > > orders > > > > > > took place > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha > > coinciding with > > > aries > > > > chara > > > > > (where venus, > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are). > Rahu is > > in 9th > > > house in > > > > mithuna, > > > > > right > > > > > > across > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > third > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > holds the > > moon, > > > jupiter -- > > > > but > > > > > with ketu. > > > > > > Chandal-> > > > > > > > > > > > gajkeshari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > interesting that > > > mercury > > > > plays a > > > > > > significant role > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > Most of > > Hitler's > > > > atrocities were > > > > > carried > > > > > > out by > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messengers of > > evil, > > > rather than > > > > > directly by > > > > > > him. Much > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > explore > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > chart. > > > Interestingly, > > > > compare > > > > > Mahatma > > > > > > Gandhi's > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > well.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "ssz_dreams" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ssz_dreams> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > ebody,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got > some > > doubts > > > while > > > > observing > > > > > > neighbours chield > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.Does mars > > in > > > ascendent > > > > makes one > > > > > > > > > agressive/fighter,as > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > observed> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > chield > > has > > > > aggressive/fighting > > > > > behaviour> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HITLER HAS > > mars in > > > asc in > > > > mars house)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > this > > chield need > > > any > > > > remedies to > > > > > become > > > > > > a calm > > > > > > > boy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > this > > horoscope> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.five > > planets > > > combusted> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. > five > > planets in > > > 12th house> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.rahu-ketu > > in an axis> > > (kala > > > > sarpa > > > > > dosha)?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > four > > combusted > > > planets along > > > > with sun > > > > > in 12th > > > > > > house > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vipareeta raj > > yoga(is > > > it > > > > good/bad?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > data:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d.o.b: 7-may-> > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t.o.b: 6:25 > > a.m > > > > (IST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.ob: > 78E3O , > > 17N20> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Yes, Raman this definition is absolutely correct. Mars is in Libra in both D-1 and D-9 and thus I said that it may not be the problem for her anxiety or health. Take care, Souvik , "Calla, Raman" <rcalla@s...> wrote: > That is defination I have found on VARGOTTAM > > VARGOTTAMA > > A planet occupying the same zodiacal sign in the Navamsa (q.v.) as in the natal chart. Such a planet becomes very powerful in bestowing its auspicious results. > > > > Thx > > > > Raman > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > Monday, April 19, 2004 1:33 AM > > To Raman: Anita's horoscope discussion 1: From Souvik > > > Hi Raman, > > > I had a look at her horoscope. Well, yes there are a few problems but > most of them (I feel so) are on the mental plane. > 1. Saturn conjunct natal moon (Sade Sathi) > 2. Rahu conjunct Asc with natal Rahu > > These are the two problems at hand. > > Mars+Ketu conjuction don't seem to be a problem as Mars is vargottam > in Libra (vayu kshetra) in Venus's house. > > Well, it will just make her divert her attention to peace and > equality. Well, she may also like sleeping and ample rest!! > > Anyway, Raman , it is a temporary phase and u know that Gemini is > heavily populated for her and Gochar Saturn's presence there for > Aries asc. is not good at all. > > Just relax!! Bad times will end!! > > In my very personal opinion, worship the Ulimate force of the world, > Devadidev Mahadev and all ur troubles will fly away in a blink. > > Regards, > Souvik > > , "OM" <explore_vulcan> > wrote: > > Yes, Raman I received the mail and the attachment in my mail. I > would > > get back to u... > > > > However, any comments on y I couldnot receive it thru the group > mail. > > > > Moderators, any suggestion from u... > > > > Regards, > > Souvik > > > > , "Calla, Raman" > <rcalla@s...> > > wrote: > > > I have sent directly you too. > > > Did you received it. > > > > > > thx > > > > > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > Sun 4/18/2004 11:08 PM > > > > > > Cc: > > > To Raman and Moderators :Re: Souvik: From Souvik > > > > > > > > > Hi Raman, Neeraj and Tanvir, > > > > > > Please note that I cannot view any attachment sent by a > > member, Raman. > > > > > > Is this a temporary problem or a permanent one. Am I > > following a > > > wrong procedure or is this problem faced by all. > > > > > > Sorry, Raman, even this time I got no attachment. Try to see > > it by > > > logging on to > > > > > > Please do let me know (moderators) if the problem is at my > > side!! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > , "Calla, Raman" > > <rcalla@s...> > > > wrote: > > > > I did attached them . This time I sending you directly too. > > > > If not please let me know. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > rc > > > > > > > > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > > Sun 4/18/2004 10:57 PM > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > To Raman:Re: Souvik: From Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Raman, > > > > > > > > I didnot receive any attachment. Did u miss to attch > > it? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > , "Calla, > > Raman" > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Here you go Souvik. > > > > > > > > > > regards! > > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > > > Sun 4/18/2004 10:39 PM > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > To Raman:Re: Souvik: From Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman...give me her details (I donot have > > Jhl5 with > > > me right > > > > now so > > > > > please give me the txt file or the details in > > > text)...Her > > > > horoscope I > > > > > mean..may be the 8th. or 12th. house > > problem... > > > > > > > > > > Also send ur deatils..Do u also have Mars in > > kendra?? > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > --- In > > , "Calla, > > > Raman" > > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > It is not me, my wife has it. > > > > > > She also some health problem. I think she > > has it > > > because > > > > Mars and > > > > > Ketu conjuction in Libra. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now any thought on it. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM [explore_vulcan] > > > > > > Sun 4/18/2004 10:18 PM > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > To Raman:Re: Souvik: > > From Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u r correct...fighting spirit is > > good > > > but it can > > > > be > > > > > deadly as > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > Two circumstances: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. friend1 plays a prank on another > > friend2. > > > If f2 > > > > has > > > > > mars+ketu > > > > > > conjunction he will be proactive > > and "over- > > > prepared" > > > > for such > > > > > a > > > > > > prank. He may over react and thus > > take things > > > > > too "seriously"!! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. If with such a combi (mars + > > ketu), he > > > also has > > > > good > > > > > rationality > > > > > > and other "cooler" aspects, he will > > wait till > > > things > > > > donot go > > > > > out of > > > > > > hand and stay cool and learn to watch > > and > > > wait...and > > > > then > > > > > react.. > > > > > > > > > > > > IT is just the difference of > > approach... > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear, I myself have Mars 8th aspect > > on my > > > Lagna Ketu > > > > and I > > > > > feel I am > > > > > > quite rational!!! :) > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u have the same?? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , "Calla, > > > > Raman" > > > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > But Souvik Ji you are calling it > > deadly. > > > > > > > Fighting Spirit is good any way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please give more on that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > OM > > [explore_vulcan] > > > > > > > Sun 4/18/2004 9:49 PM > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > To Raman:Re: > > Souvik: > > > From Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Raman, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th.house Mars+Ketu in Libra > > means, > > > Mars more > > > > > powerful and in > > > > > > direct > > > > > > > opposition to Rahu. Thus an > > > inborn "fighting > > > > spirit" > > > > > > predominates the > > > > > > > native > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , "Calla, > > > > > Raman" > > > > > > <rcalla@s...> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Ketu and Mars. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He has in 7 house and He is > > Aries. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message- > > ---- > > > > > > > > OM > > > [explore_vulcan] > > > > > > > > Thu 4/15/2004 > > 11:56 PM > > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > > > > Cc: > > > > > > > > To > > > > > Parvatishankar:Mars+Ketu:From Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Parvatishankar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars+Ketu conjunction > > is > > > DEADLY. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, if Mars > > dominates then > > > Ketu > > > > addes the > > > > > analytical > > > > > > power > > > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > activity and the > > person > > > becomes > > > > almost > > > > > invinsible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > However, if Ketu > > dominates, > > > the whole > > > > energy > > > > > is > > > > > > devoted to > > > > > > > > the "analysis" of the > > > Ultimate and > > > > the Truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In both cases, the > > aspect or > > > > conjunction of > > > > > Mars+Ketu > > > > > > is > > > > > > > noteworthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have seen such > > cases too in > > > my life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , "parvatishankar" > > > > > > > > <parvatishankar> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have friend with > > Mars and > > > Ketu in > > > > taurus > > > > > > ascendant...i > > > > > > > have heard > > > > > > > > > that ketu behaves > > like > > > mars, this > > > > perhaps > > > > > acts like > > > > > > a > > > > > > > double mars > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > ascendant... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i have never met a > > person > > > oozing so > > > > much of > > > > > martian > > > > > > male > > > > > > > > > energy...he's > > downright > > > aggressive, > > > > > dominating and > > > > > > > adamant...no one > > > > > > > > > can change his mind > > on > > > anything > > > > that it's > > > > > set > > > > > > > upon...whatever the > > > > > > > > > trouble he faces > > it, rather > > > dares > > > > > it! ...and i have > > > > > > > observed that > > > > > > > > > with some strange > > inner > > > drive and > > > > > determination he > > > > > > > continues to > > > > > > > > work > > > > > > > > > for it! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....there's another > > friend > > > with an > > > > exalted > > > > > mars in > > > > > > lagna > > > > > > > but a > > > > > > > > > retrograde exalted > > > mars...the > > > > difference is > > > > > quite > > > > > > > astounding...he > > > > > > > > > looks slightly like > > a mars- > > > ruled > > > > person but > > > > > the the > > > > > > > restless mars > > > > > > > > > energy has been > > diverted > > > > inward!...anger > > > > > surfaces > > > > > > when he's > > > > > > > drunk! > > > > > > > > > his girlfriend > > complained > > > that he > > > > used to > > > > > beat her > > > > > > up when > > > > > > > drunk! i > > > > > > > > > have seen him > > violent a > > > couple of > > > > times and > > > > > have > > > > > > been > > > > > > > shocked > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > otherwise he's > > quite a soft > > > spoken, > > > > amiable > > > > > fellow! > > > > > > exalted > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > retrograde can be > > quite > > > deceptive! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > , "khallopapa" > > > > > > > > > <khallopapa> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From my > > observation...I > > > feel Mars > > > > strong > > > > > in any > > > > > > chart(not > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > ascendent) gives > > a lot of > > > > enterprise and > > > > > drive to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > native. I > > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > > > still a learner > > though:-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "Rajeev > > > > > > > Tadepalli" > > > > > > > > > > > > <Rajeev.Tadepalli@S...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Souvik, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your > > > observation is > > > > right. > > > > > Mars in > > > > > > the > > > > > > > ascendant > > > > > > > > > > > give the native > > a lot > > > of > > > > enterprise and > > > > > drive. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > am a > > > Taurus > > > > ascendant > > > > > with Mars > > > > > > in > > > > > > > it. I > > > > > > > > > > > confirm your > > > observation out of > > > > my > > > > > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You > > see, in > > > Triveni > > > > > Sangamam, River > > > > > > > Saraswati is, > > > > > > > > > > > Antarvahini, > > that is it > > > flows > > > > through > > > > > > underground and > > > > > > > seen by > > > > > > > > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > The > > other > > > two > > > > rivers flow > > > > > on the > > > > > > surface of > > > > > > > earth to > > > > > > > > > > > be seen and > > polluted by > > > people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So > > this > > > energy, > > > > drive, > > > > > enterprise > > > > > > etc flow > > > > > > > > > > > subversively > > and are > > > not > > > > apparent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether > > > this > > > > Martian energy > > > > > is > > > > > > exhibited > > > > > > > externally > > > > > > > > > > > or not is > > highly > > > dependent of > > > > the > > > > > Ascendent > > > > > > Sign. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some > > > Ascendants > > > > like Leo, > > > > > > Saggitarius etc. > > > > > > > It can be > > > > > > > > > > > observed > > externally in > > > > behaviour. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a > > > tendency > > > > for > > > > > these > > > > > > natives to be > > > > > > > adamant. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Apparantly > > > they > > > > seem to be > > > > > agreeing > > > > > > but > > > > > > > eventually > > > > > > > > > > > be taking their > > own > > > course > > > > unless > > > > > convinced of > > > > > > the over > > > > > > > view > > > > > > > > > point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , "Manas > > > > > > Kumar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manaskumar@h...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I distinguish > > between > > > > assertive and > > > > > agressive > > > > > > > (subject of the > > > > > > > > > > > post) > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > dynamic/energetic/motivated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , srik > > > > > > rami > > > > > > > > > > <srikrami> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it > > does, > > > either > > > > when placed > > > > > with > > > > > > ascendent > > > > > > > lord or > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > ascendent. > > They will > > > be > > > > dynamic and > > > > > highly > > > > > > motivated > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > inner > > > > > > > > > > > > martian force. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manas Kumar > > > > <manaskumar@h...> > > > > > wrote: Put a > > > > > > soldier > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > > > > > > warfield, he > > will > > > fight, put > > > > him to > > > > > pasture, > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > > > > will wither > > away. > > > Mars gets > > > > exalted > > > > > in > > > > > > capricorn > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > debilitated > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > cancer! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars may > > not always > > > be > > > > associated > > > > > with > > > > > > aggression, > > > > > > > just > > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereotypes > > are not > > > 100% > > > > accurate. > > > > > > Astrology has > > > > > > > its own > > > > > > > > set > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > stereotypical ankle > > > > chains ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , "OM" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <explore_vulcan> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Manas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is > > an > > > excellent > > > > point > > > > > brought out by > > > > > > you. A > > > > > > > month > > > > > > > > > back, > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a > > document (wars > > > of the > > > > world), > > > > > where I > > > > > > pointed > > > > > > > out that > > > > > > > > > > most > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > disasters > > took > > > place in > > > > history > > > > > when > > > > > > there was > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > Opposed > > > > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > > > > > > > force > > most > > > commonly Rahu > > > > and > > > > > Saturn. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I do > > strongly > > > belief that > > > > the > > > > > aggressive > > > > > > nature > > > > > > > of humans > > > > > > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > attributed to > > > Mars in > > > > Ascendant > > > > > or with > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > Lord alone. > > > > > > > > > > > There > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to be a > > some > > > opposition. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "A hero > > is > > > useless > > > > without a > > > > > villian"-Tom > > > > > > Cruise, > > > > > > > MIssion > > > > > > > > > > > > > ImpossibleII > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do let me > > know ur > > > views, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Souvik > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > , "Manas > > > > > > > Kumar" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <manaskumar@h...> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hitler > > did not > > > have > > > > mars in > > > > > first house > > > > > > but in > > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnesh. Most > > > of his > > > > cruel > > > > > deeds and > > > > > > orders > > > > > > > took place > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dasha > > > coinciding with > > > > aries > > > > > chara > > > > > > (where venus, > > > > > > > mercury > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > mars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are). > > Rahu is > > > in 9th > > > > house in > > > > > mithuna, > > > > > > right > > > > > > > across > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > third > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > holds the > > > moon, > > > > jupiter -- > > > > > but > > > > > > with ketu. > > > > > > > Chandal- > > > > > > > > > > > > > gajkeshari. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is > > > interesting that > > > > mercury > > > > > plays a > > > > > > > significant role > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rahu. > > Most of > > > Hitler's > > > > > atrocities were > > > > > > carried > > > > > > > out by > > > > > > > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > messengers of > > > evil, > > > > rather than > > > > > > directly by > > > > > > > him. Much > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > explore > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that > > chart. > > > > Interestingly, > > > > > compare > > > > > > Mahatma > > > > > > > Gandhi's > > > > > > > > > chart, > > > > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > > > > , "ssz_dreams" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <ssz_dreams> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > ebody, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I got > > some > > > doubts > > > > while > > > > > observing > > > > > > > neighbours chield > > > > > > > > > > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.Does mars > > > in > > > > ascendent > > > > > makes one > > > > > > > > > > > agressive/fighter,as > > > > > > > > > > i > > > > > > > > > > > > > > observed > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this > > chield > > > has > > > > > aggressive/fighting > > > > > > behaviour > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (HITLER HAS > > > mars in > > > > asc in > > > > > mars house) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does > > this > > > chield need > > > > any > > > > > remedies to > > > > > > become > > > > > > > a calm > > > > > > > > boy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in > > this > > > horoscope > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.five > > > planets > > > > combusted > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. > > five > > > planets in > > > > 12th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3.rahu-ketu > > > in an axis > > > > (kala > > > > > sarpa > > > > > > dosha)? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > four > > > combusted > > > > planets along > > > > > with sun > > > > > > in 12th > > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > as > > > > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > > > > > > form > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > vipareeta raj > > > yoga(is > > > > it > > > > > good/bad?) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > birth > > data: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d.o.b: 7-may- > > > > 2000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t.o.b: 6:25 > > > a.m > > > > > (IST) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > p.ob: > > 78E3O , > > > 17N20 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE > > MEANS > > > STRUGGLE, THE > > > > FITTEST > > > > > WINS > > > > > > SURVIVAL ! > > > > > > > ~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- ---- > > -------- > > > -------- > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Groups Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To visit > > your > > > group on > > > > the web, > > > > > go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To > > > > > from this > > > > group, > > > > > send an > > > > > > email to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your use > > of > > > > > > > Groups is > > > > > subject to > > > > > > the > > > > > > > Terms > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------- ---- > > -------- > > > -------- > > > > ----- > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tax > > Center - > > > File > > > > online by > > > > > April > > > > > > 15th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS > > STRUGGLE, THE > > > FITTEST > > > > WINS > > > > > SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * To visit your > > group on > > > the > > > > web, go to: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * To > > from > > > this > > > > group, send > > > > > an email > > > > > > to: > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > > <- > > > > ? > > > > > > > subject=Un> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Your use of > > > > > Groups is > > > > subject > > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of Service > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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