To Inderji: Man the ruler of his own Destiny: From Souvik

[Guest guest]

Yes, Inderji..I understand ur point. In the level u r talking, we can

root to only The ONE...

Ekam advaitam

Yes, this is true but it was HIS will to create many from one...

Ekam anekam

Thank God he did so otherwise how could we discuss these topics on

the group :)

IT would be Souvik to Souvik or Inderji to Inderji...as we would be

ONE...

 

I feel let us mortals see things in the view of natural instincts and

supreme consciousness as separate entities...atleast for naives like

me, I find it easier

 

I believe and strongly stick to my conventions that destiny is

decided by the deeds we do today. This is replicated in the age old

saying that "jaisi karni waisi bharni", "jo sopo wohi ropo" etc.

 

If we move above our personal "instincts" with our "conscious"

efforts we can change destiny. It is very much possible and history

stands as evidence.

 

Even the source of the science u r talking about Inderji, the source

of jyotish and all the roots of the root, the creater, Brahma HIMSELF

predicted and knew that Savitri's husband would die. How did Savitri

bring back her husband from the dead?? CAN ASTROLOGY EXPLAIN THIS????

 

 

Destiny is Man's Own Work Replicated in Future.....I believe in

this...

 

Regards

 

Souvik

 

, "indervohra2001"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear ,

> My vies are:

> Baser Instincts are also part of the Supreme conciousness.

>

> It is not possible to manipulate the destiny .

>

> Anyway, this debate on destiny versus freewill is nevrending and

can

> not be resolved with our exiting concept/knowledge ot Time and

> Conciousness.

>

> What I was telling in the begning was that Planets donot influence

> our destiny, but they only indicate destiny. Like a watch only

> indicates time but doesnot control time.

>

> Inder

>

> -- In , "OM" <explore_vulcan>

> wrote:

> > Yes Inderji,

> >

> > This is the whole concept of Hinduism. The Purush and the

Prakrit.

> > Can the Purush manipulate Prakrit? Can we rule over our most

> obvious

> > instincts? Well, that is what meditation, tapas, controlled life

> and

> > civilization tells us about.

> >

> > Yes, I believe it is possible. But it is difficult. This

> explanation

> > is above and beyond astrology. The person or individual rises

> above

> > the control of mere instincts and attains bliss or enlightenment.

> >

> > Have anyone seen the horoscope of Swamiji (Vivenkanda, Narendra

> Nath

> > Dutta). If someone has then he would know that there is no

> > astrological evidence of his early death at the age of 33 yrs.

> People

> > rise above instincts and control them. This is where people

> > become "Jeetendra", the controller of Instincts.

> >

> > Yes, one can take different forms. There are lots of evidence of

> this

> > in Indian texts. The same Vishnu was Narasimha and Raam. Valmiki,

> a

> > dacoit became an esteemed Rishi. We can change our instincts and

> take

> > the attributes of any abstract planet.

> >

> > This is about the eternal conquest between the baser "instincts"

> and

> > supreme "consciousness".

> >

> > This is my belief.

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable with

> > > Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become Jupiter by

> the

> > > same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become Neptunian

by

> > > some different efforts. Can I control like this.?

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > -- In , "OM"

> <explore_vulcan>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > >

> > > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part...

> > > >

> > > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a

Lagna

> > and

> > > 9

> > > > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can

> deduce)

> > > one

> > > > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all

> > > > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree on

> this.

> > > > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of the

> > person

> > > > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can know

> > > about

> > > > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we

> > > > underestimate his other characteristics, this just means that

> a

> > > > predominant part of his character is represented by one..but

> > > ofcourse

> > > > their can be other traits in his character..but these cannot

> in

> > > > totality explain the person. This is just like one coalition

> > party

> > > > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but only

> 1

> > > (has

> > > > to) predominate.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly" would be

> > > > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars".

> > However,

> > > > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By

> making

> > > > a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter" in u

> to

> > > adapt

> > > > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is

> mentioned

> > > in

> > > > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have not

> given

> > > any

> > > > new concept but just a different angle to it on the earthly

> plane.

> > > >

> > > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question.

> > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to determine

> the

> > > > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the

> person

> > > and

> > > > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE.

> > > >

> > > > Please do let me know ur views.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > >

> > > > Souvik

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of the

> 9

> > or

> > > 10

> > > > > planets which we know ?

> > > > >

> > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One

> representing

> > > > > Jupiter or Mars ?

> > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > , "OM"

> > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we

would

> > map

> > > to

> > > > > > these 9 planets.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I think this.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets

> > > (including

> > > > > the

> > > > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most

> dominant

> > > > planet

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts

> > > (corresponding

> > > > > with

> > > > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction we

> need

> > > to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > who we are.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with

> Saturn,

> > > > Venus,

> > > > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel comfortable

> with

> > > and

> > > > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive nature.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u would

> > find

> > > it

> > > > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u

> still

> > > can

> > > > > b'coz

> > > > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be

> > ur "conscious"

> > > > > effort.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take this

> > > example

> > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is what I meant to say.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that matter.

> Yes,

> > > his

> > > > > Mars

> > > > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different

> story.

> > > > This

> > > > > > doesnot change his "instincts".

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets on

> > this

> > > > > earth?

> > > > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc.

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > - In , "OM"

> > > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My views:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our

own

> > way

> > > > are

> > > > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in certain

> > places

> > > > and

> > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > irritated in others.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of

> karma

> > > done

> > > > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We mould

> our

> > > > today

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets)

> mould

> > > our

> > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc. are

> > > gained

> > > > so

> > > > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that

> > going "instinctively"

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However,

> > > > > going "consciously",

> > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > can mould our destiny.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here.

> > > > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a

> debate

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > ever inconclusive.

> > > > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and astrology:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any way

> but

> > > they

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a

> > > > predestined

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in astrology

> as

> > > > future

> > > > > > > > > indications.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates

> Time.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and donot

> > > control

> > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What you say dear..

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Inder

[Guest guest]

Dear Sauvik,

I again say that I dont wish to get trapped in the discussion of

freewill versus destiny, as this is ever never ending.

The point we were discussing.... can one person be represented by a

single planet, and if so can he jump to represent another planet.

In my opinion there is not a pure Saturian or martian or mercurian,

it is a mixure of all these in some proportion.

In KP system we see a mixure of atleast three planets :

Ascendent sign lord, ascendent star lord and most predominently

ascendent sub lord governing the basic

nature ,qualities,characterstics of a person. And their placement

and moon,s star and sub position etc also become guiding factors.

 

My main question is are planets indicating or they are governing.

 

Inder

 

- In , "OM" <explore_vulcan>

wrote:

> Yes, Inderji..I understand ur point. In the level u r talking, we

can

> root to only The ONE...

> Ekam advaitam

> Yes, this is true but it was HIS will to create many from one...

> Ekam anekam

> Thank God he did so otherwise how could we discuss these topics on

> the group :)

> IT would be Souvik to Souvik or Inderji to Inderji...as we would

be

> ONE...

>

> I feel let us mortals see things in the view of natural instincts

and

> supreme consciousness as separate entities...atleast for naives

like

> me, I find it easier

>

> I believe and strongly stick to my conventions that destiny is

> decided by the deeds we do today. This is replicated in the age

old

> saying that "jaisi karni waisi bharni", "jo sopo wohi ropo" etc.

>

> If we move above our personal "instincts" with our "conscious"

> efforts we can change destiny. It is very much possible and

history

> stands as evidence.

>

> Even the source of the science u r talking about Inderji, the

source

> of jyotish and all the roots of the root, the creater, Brahma

HIMSELF

> predicted and knew that Savitri's husband would die. How did

Savitri

> bring back her husband from the dead?? CAN ASTROLOGY EXPLAIN

THIS????

>

>

> Destiny is Man's Own Work Replicated in Future.....I believe in

> this...

>

> Regards

>

> Souvik

>

> , "indervohra2001"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear ,

> > My vies are:

> > Baser Instincts are also part of the Supreme conciousness.

> >

> > It is not possible to manipulate the destiny .

> >

> > Anyway, this debate on destiny versus freewill is nevrending and

> can

> > not be resolved with our exiting concept/knowledge ot Time and

> > Conciousness.

> >

> > What I was telling in the begning was that Planets donot

influence

> > our destiny, but they only indicate destiny. Like a watch only

> > indicates time but doesnot control time.

> >

> > Inder

> >

> > -- In , "OM"

<explore_vulcan>

> > wrote:

> > > Yes Inderji,

> > >

> > > This is the whole concept of Hinduism. The Purush and the

> Prakrit.

> > > Can the Purush manipulate Prakrit? Can we rule over our most

> > obvious

> > > instincts? Well, that is what meditation, tapas, controlled

life

> > and

> > > civilization tells us about.

> > >

> > > Yes, I believe it is possible. But it is difficult. This

> > explanation

> > > is above and beyond astrology. The person or individual rises

> > above

> > > the control of mere instincts and attains bliss or

enlightenment.

> > >

> > > Have anyone seen the horoscope of Swamiji (Vivenkanda,

Narendra

> > Nath

> > > Dutta). If someone has then he would know that there is no

> > > astrological evidence of his early death at the age of 33 yrs.

> > People

> > > rise above instincts and control them. This is where people

> > > become "Jeetendra", the controller of Instincts.

> > >

> > > Yes, one can take different forms. There are lots of evidence

of

> > this

> > > in Indian texts. The same Vishnu was Narasimha and Raam.

Valmiki,

> > a

> > > dacoit became an esteemed Rishi. We can change our instincts

and

> > take

> > > the attributes of any abstract planet.

> > >

> > > This is about the eternal conquest between the

baser "instincts"

> > and

> > > supreme "consciousness".

> > >

> > > This is my belief.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Souvik

> > >

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable with

> > > > Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become Jupiter

by

> > the

> > > > same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become

Neptunian

> by

> > > > some different efforts. Can I control like this.?

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "OM"

> > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > >

> > > > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part...

> > > > >

> > > > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a

> Lagna

> > > and

> > > > 9

> > > > > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can

> > deduce)

> > > > one

> > > > > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all

> > > > > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree

on

> > this.

> > > > > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of

the

> > > person

> > > > > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can

know

> > > > about

> > > > > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we

> > > > > underestimate his other characteristics, this just means

that

> > a

> > > > > predominant part of his character is represented by

one..but

> > > > ofcourse

> > > > > their can be other traits in his character..but these

cannot

> > in

> > > > > totality explain the person. This is just like one

coalition

> > > party

> > > > > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but

only

> > 1

> > > > (has

> > > > > to) predominate.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly" would

be

> > > > > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars".

> > > However,

> > > > > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By

> > making

> > > > > a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter" in

u

> > to

> > > > adapt

> > > > > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is

> > mentioned

> > > > in

> > > > > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have

not

> > given

> > > > any

> > > > > new concept but just a different angle to it on the

earthly

> > plane.

> > > > >

> > > > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question.

> > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to

determine

> > the

> > > > > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the

> > person

> > > > and

> > > > > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE.

> > > > >

> > > > > Please do let me know ur views.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >

> > > > > Souvik

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of

the

> > 9

> > > or

> > > > 10

> > > > > > planets which we know ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One

> > representing

> > > > > > Jupiter or Mars ?

> > > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "OM"

> > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we

> would

> > > map

> > > > to

> > > > > > > these 9 planets.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I think this.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets

> > > > (including

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most

> > dominant

> > > > > planet

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts

> > > > (corresponding

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction

we

> > need

> > > > to

> > > > > > find

> > > > > > > who we are.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with

> > Saturn,

> > > > > Venus,

> > > > > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel

comfortable

> > with

> > > > and

> > > > > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive

nature.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u

would

> > > find

> > > > it

> > > > > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u

> > still

> > > > can

> > > > > > b'coz

> > > > > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be

> > > ur "conscious"

> > > > > > effort.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take

this

> > > > example

> > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is what I meant to say.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that

matter.

> > Yes,

> > > > his

> > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a different

> > story.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > doesnot change his "instincts".

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions planets

on

> > > this

> > > > > > earth?

> > > > > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc.

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > - In , "OM"

> > > > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My views:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in our

> own

> > > way

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in

certain

> > > places

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > irritated in others.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of

> > karma

> > > > done

> > > > > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We

mould

> > our

> > > > > today

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets)

> > mould

> > > > our

> > > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc.

are

> > > > gained

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that

> > > going "instinctively"

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However,

> > > > > > going "consciously",

> > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > can mould our destiny.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here.

> > > > > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-- a

> > debate

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > ever inconclusive.

> > > > > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and

astrology:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any

way

> > but

> > > > they

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in a

> > > > > predestined

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in

astrology

> > as

> > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > indications.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only indicates

> > Time.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and

donot

> > > > control

> > > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > What you say dear..

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Inder