To Rajeev and ALL: Make Your Own Destiny: From Souvik

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeev,

 

Let us take a few examples.

 

1....The Destiny of Human Soul

 

Birth->Childhood->Youth->Old Age->Death->Re-birth->Childhood->...

 

My friend, some noble souls, very human like u and me have broken

this cycle, changed their destiny to attain Moksha. Yes, I agree that

that not everyone can do it, but the fact remains that even if one

has done it, humans can change their destiny.

 

2.....You must be knowing that "Indra" was a position and not an

individual. Humans have attained Indrattwa. They have changed their

destiny by ruling the Gods.

 

3.....Indra and other Gods from time to time sent celestial nymphs to

distract the mortal beings from tapas. Why? Because they feared that

such is the strength in Human "consciousness" that not only could

they change their own destiny but also the destiny of others (I mean

Gods)

 

I feel that destiny and relying on it are signs of mortality,

very "instinctive" reaction of humans.

 

4.....Swami Vivekanada said that Astrology makes an individual weak

and dependent. He was actually hinting at the "destiny"

predictability part of astrology.

 

I donot consider Destiny synonomous to Divinity. I consider

Karma, "conscious" efforts to be synonomous to Divinity.

 

We say that "God/Brahma/Allah CREATED the universe". Their too is a

verb. HE DID something. IF even he relied on HIS DESTINY

well....perhaps we wouldn't have been discussing destiny.

 

I feel that "Destiny" is instinctive. Man loves to say:

"Are yaar bhagya mein nehi thaa islye..."

 

I feel that Divinity is :

"Give me strength Lord so that I can DO IT"

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

[Guest guest]

Oh Dear :-) :-)

 

Humans have not changed thier destiny but made thier destiny to

attain Indratwwa. Out of desire the made/worked towards it.

This was not against the law of karma. They desired it performed

actions to get qualified and attained it.

 

Again you say, chaged thier destiny :-) :-) it is not change but

made thier destiny.

 

It is in harmony with thier desires they attained and not against or

overcoming the law of Karma that they attained it.

 

 

I concede to this perfect statement from you...

 

" I donot consider Destiny synonomous to Divinity. I consider

Karma, "conscious" efforts to be synonomous to Divinity."

 

In all what u say it is the Karmic results that come back as destiny

which people are experiencing. (Thier own Karma phala.)

 

There is no free will going against destiny in all the thing u are

explaining.

 

I am only able to see harmony between free will and destiny..

 

ther is no contradiction.

 

 

, "OM" <explore_vulcan>

wrote:

> Dear Rajeev,

>

> Let us take a few examples.

>

> 1....The Destiny of Human Soul

>

> Birth->Childhood->Youth->Old Age->Death->Re-birth->Childhood->...

>

> My friend, some noble souls, very human like u and me have broken

> this cycle, changed their destiny to attain Moksha. Yes, I agree

that

> that not everyone can do it, but the fact remains that even if one

> has done it, humans can change their destiny.

>

> 2.....You must be knowing that "Indra" was a position and not an

> individual. Humans have attained Indrattwa. They have changed

their

> destiny by ruling the Gods.

>

> 3.....Indra and other Gods from time to time sent celestial nymphs

to

> distract the mortal beings from tapas. Why? Because they feared

that

> such is the strength in Human "consciousness" that not only could

> they change their own destiny but also the destiny of others (I

mean

> Gods)

>

> I feel that destiny and relying on it are signs of mortality,

> very "instinctive" reaction of humans.

>

> 4.....Swami Vivekanada said that Astrology makes an individual

weak

> and dependent. He was actually hinting at the "destiny"

> predictability part of astrology.

>

> I donot consider Destiny synonomous to Divinity. I consider

> Karma, "conscious" efforts to be synonomous to Divinity.

>

> We say that "God/Brahma/Allah CREATED the universe". Their too is

a

> verb. HE DID something. IF even he relied on HIS DESTINY

> well....perhaps we wouldn't have been discussing destiny.

>

> I feel that "Destiny" is instinctive. Man loves to say:

> "Are yaar bhagya mein nehi thaa islye..."

>

> I feel that Divinity is :

> "Give me strength Lord so that I can DO IT"

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik