To Inderjiand Rajeev: Destiny Fare Thee Well: From Souvik

[Guest guest]

Dear Inderji Rajeev and all,

 

What has really made me happy that while writing all these mails, we

have shown firmness in our convinctions. This is what matters.

Sticking to his own convinctions in life.

 

I am extremely glad that I could participate in this discussion and

result in the "churning" of the process.

 

Indeed, free-will , destiny and human limitations ...these are

eternal debates and we three can just carry on

 

I am glad that we are a group of like-minded ppl, the likeness being

the interest to explore.

 

I congratulate us on this very fruitful discussion!!

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

 

, "indervohra2001"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> Dear Sauvik,

> I again say that I dont wish to get trapped in the discussion of

> freewill versus destiny, as this is ever never ending.

> The point we were discussing.... can one person be represented by a

> single planet, and if so can he jump to represent another planet.

> In my opinion there is not a pure Saturian or martian or mercurian,

> it is a mixure of all these in some proportion.

> In KP system we see a mixure of atleast three planets :

> Ascendent sign lord, ascendent star lord and most predominently

> ascendent sub lord governing the basic

> nature ,qualities,characterstics of a person. And their placement

> and moon,s star and sub position etc also become guiding factors.

>

> My main question is are planets indicating or they are governing.

>

> Inder

>

> - In , "OM" <explore_vulcan>

> wrote:

> > Yes, Inderji..I understand ur point. In the level u r talking, we

> can

> > root to only The ONE...

> > Ekam advaitam

> > Yes, this is true but it was HIS will to create many from one...

> > Ekam anekam

> > Thank God he did so otherwise how could we discuss these topics

on

> > the group :)

> > IT would be Souvik to Souvik or Inderji to Inderji...as we would

> be

> > ONE...

> >

> > I feel let us mortals see things in the view of natural instincts

> and

> > supreme consciousness as separate entities...atleast for naives

> like

> > me, I find it easier

> >

> > I believe and strongly stick to my conventions that destiny is

> > decided by the deeds we do today. This is replicated in the age

> old

> > saying that "jaisi karni waisi bharni", "jo sopo wohi ropo" etc.

> >

> > If we move above our personal "instincts" with our "conscious"

> > efforts we can change destiny. It is very much possible and

> history

> > stands as evidence.

> >

> > Even the source of the science u r talking about Inderji, the

> source

> > of jyotish and all the roots of the root, the creater, Brahma

> HIMSELF

> > predicted and knew that Savitri's husband would die. How did

> Savitri

> > bring back her husband from the dead?? CAN ASTROLOGY EXPLAIN

> THIS????

> >

> >

> > Destiny is Man's Own Work Replicated in Future.....I believe in

> > this...

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear ,

> > > My vies are:

> > > Baser Instincts are also part of the Supreme conciousness.

> > >

> > > It is not possible to manipulate the destiny .

> > >

> > > Anyway, this debate on destiny versus freewill is nevrending

and

> > can

> > > not be resolved with our exiting concept/knowledge ot Time and

> > > Conciousness.

> > >

> > > What I was telling in the begning was that Planets donot

> influence

> > > our destiny, but they only indicate destiny. Like a watch only

> > > indicates time but doesnot control time.

> > >

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > -- In , "OM"

> <explore_vulcan>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Yes Inderji,

> > > >

> > > > This is the whole concept of Hinduism. The Purush and the

> > Prakrit.

> > > > Can the Purush manipulate Prakrit? Can we rule over our most

> > > obvious

> > > > instincts? Well, that is what meditation, tapas, controlled

> life

> > > and

> > > > civilization tells us about.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, I believe it is possible. But it is difficult. This

> > > explanation

> > > > is above and beyond astrology. The person or individual rises

> > > above

> > > > the control of mere instincts and attains bliss or

> enlightenment.

> > > >

> > > > Have anyone seen the horoscope of Swamiji (Vivenkanda,

> Narendra

> > > Nath

> > > > Dutta). If someone has then he would know that there is no

> > > > astrological evidence of his early death at the age of 33

yrs.

> > > People

> > > > rise above instincts and control them. This is where people

> > > > become "Jeetendra", the controller of Instincts.

> > > >

> > > > Yes, one can take different forms. There are lots of evidence

> of

> > > this

> > > > in Indian texts. The same Vishnu was Narasimha and Raam.

> Valmiki,

> > > a

> > > > dacoit became an esteemed Rishi. We can change our instincts

> and

> > > take

> > > > the attributes of any abstract planet.

> > > >

> > > > This is about the eternal conquest between the

> baser "instincts"

> > > and

> > > > supreme "consciousness".

> > > >

> > > > This is my belief.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > >

> > > > Souvik

> > > >

> > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable with

> > > > > Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become Jupiter

> by

> > > the

> > > > > same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become

> Neptunian

> > by

> > > > > some different efforts. Can I control like this.?

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > -- In , "OM"

> > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as a

> > Lagna

> > > > and

> > > > > 9

> > > > > > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we can

> > > deduce)

> > > > > one

> > > > > > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in all

> > > > > > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I agree

> on

> > > this.

> > > > > > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character of

> the

> > > > person

> > > > > > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we can

> know

> > > > > about

> > > > > > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that we

> > > > > > underestimate his other characteristics, this just means

> that

> > > a

> > > > > > predominant part of his character is represented by

> one..but

> > > > > ofcourse

> > > > > > their can be other traits in his character..but these

> cannot

> > > in

> > > > > > totality explain the person. This is just like one

> coalition

> > > > party

> > > > > > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt but

> only

> > > 1

> > > > > (has

> > > > > > to) predominate.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly"

would

> be

> > > > > > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter" and "Mars".

> > > > However,

> > > > > > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them. By

> > > making

> > > > > > a "conscious" effort you have to activate the "Jupiter"

in

> u

> > > to

> > > > > adapt

> > > > > > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is

> > > mentioned

> > > > > in

> > > > > > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I have

> not

> > > given

> > > > > any

> > > > > > new concept but just a different angle to it on the

> earthly

> > > plane.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question.

> > > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to

> determine

> > > the

> > > > > > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of the

> > > person

> > > > > and

> > > > > > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please do let me know ur views.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one of

> the

> > > 9

> > > > or

> > > > > 10

> > > > > > > planets which we know ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One

> > > representing

> > > > > > > Jupiter or Mars ?

> > > > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , "OM"

> > > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion , we

> > would

> > > > map

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > these 9 planets.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I think this.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10 planets

> > > > > (including

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most

> > > dominant

> > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts

> > > > > (corresponding

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an abstraction

> we

> > > need

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > who we are.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends with

> > > Saturn,

> > > > > > Venus,

> > > > > > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel

> comfortable

> > > with

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive

> nature.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup, u

> would

> > > > find

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct" but u

> > > still

> > > > > can

> > > > > > > b'coz

> > > > > > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be

> > > > ur "conscious"

> > > > > > > effort.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot take

> this

> > > > > example

> > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is what I meant to say.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that

> matter.

> > > Yes,

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a

different

> > > story.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > doesnot change his "instincts".

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions

planets

> on

> > > > this

> > > > > > > earth?

> > > > > > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc.

> > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > - In , "OM"

> > > > > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My views:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in

our

> > own

> > > > way

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in

> certain

> > > > places

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > > irritated in others.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result of

> > > karma

> > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We

> mould

> > > our

> > > > > > today

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we" (planets)

> > > mould

> > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts etc.

> are

> > > > > gained

> > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that

> > > > going "instinctively"

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However,

> > > > > > > going "consciously",

> > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > can mould our destiny.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here.

> > > > > > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny--

a

> > > debate

> > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > ever inconclusive.

> > > > > > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and

> astrology:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in any

> way

> > > but

> > > > > they

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move in

a

> > > > > > predestined

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in

> astrology

> > > as

> > > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > indications.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only

indicates

> > > Time.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny and

> donot

> > > > > control

> > > > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > What you say dear..

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Inder

[Guest guest]

I have following thinking on this matter:

We can imagine a planet say Jupiter as conciousness.

Then different type of conciousness say Mercury conciousness or Mars

or Neptunian conciousness.

 

All things so called jupitarian falls under Jupiter conciousness.

This may include animate or non animate, Jara or Chetan, even the

planet jupiter falls under the domain of Jupiter conciousness.

 

Some things can be pure one type of conciousness as Iron is only

Saturian conciousness and fat is Jupitarian conciousness.

 

Human being most superior Jiva may contain all types of

conciousnesses, which tend to come a little closer to supreme

conciousness.

 

These conciousness forces and Time interplay games some of which we

can see by astrology.

 

Do I make a sence to continue further?

 

Inder

 

 

 

 

 

In , "OM" <explore_vulcan>

wrote:

> Dear Inderji Rajeev and all,

>

> What has really made me happy that while writing all these mails,

we

> have shown firmness in our convinctions. This is what matters.

> Sticking to his own convinctions in life.

>

> I am extremely glad that I could participate in this discussion

and

> result in the "churning" of the process.

>

> Indeed, free-will , destiny and human limitations ...these are

> eternal debates and we three can just carry on

>

> I am glad that we are a group of like-minded ppl, the likeness

being

> the interest to explore.

>

> I congratulate us on this very fruitful discussion!!

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

>

> , "indervohra2001"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > Dear Sauvik,

> > I again say that I dont wish to get trapped in the discussion of

> > freewill versus destiny, as this is ever never ending.

> > The point we were discussing.... can one person be represented

by a

> > single planet, and if so can he jump to represent another planet.

> > In my opinion there is not a pure Saturian or martian or

mercurian,

> > it is a mixure of all these in some proportion.

> > In KP system we see a mixure of atleast three planets :

> > Ascendent sign lord, ascendent star lord and most predominently

> > ascendent sub lord governing the basic

> > nature ,qualities,characterstics of a person. And their

placement

> > and moon,s star and sub position etc also become guiding factors.

> >

> > My main question is are planets indicating or they are governing.

> >

> > Inder

> >

> > - In , "OM"

<explore_vulcan>

> > wrote:

> > > Yes, Inderji..I understand ur point. In the level u r talking,

we

> > can

> > > root to only The ONE...

> > > Ekam advaitam

> > > Yes, this is true but it was HIS will to create many from

one...

> > > Ekam anekam

> > > Thank God he did so otherwise how could we discuss these

topics

> on

> > > the group :)

> > > IT would be Souvik to Souvik or Inderji to Inderji...as we

would

> > be

> > > ONE...

> > >

> > > I feel let us mortals see things in the view of natural

instincts

> > and

> > > supreme consciousness as separate entities...atleast for

naives

> > like

> > > me, I find it easier

> > >

> > > I believe and strongly stick to my conventions that destiny is

> > > decided by the deeds we do today. This is replicated in the

age

> > old

> > > saying that "jaisi karni waisi bharni", "jo sopo wohi ropo"

etc.

> > >

> > > If we move above our personal "instincts" with our "conscious"

> > > efforts we can change destiny. It is very much possible and

> > history

> > > stands as evidence.

> > >

> > > Even the source of the science u r talking about Inderji, the

> > source

> > > of jyotish and all the roots of the root, the creater, Brahma

> > HIMSELF

> > > predicted and knew that Savitri's husband would die. How did

> > Savitri

> > > bring back her husband from the dead?? CAN ASTROLOGY EXPLAIN

> > THIS????

> > >

> > >

> > > Destiny is Man's Own Work Replicated in Future.....I believe

in

> > > this...

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Souvik

> > >

> > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear ,

> > > > My vies are:

> > > > Baser Instincts are also part of the Supreme conciousness.

> > > >

> > > > It is not possible to manipulate the destiny .

> > > >

> > > > Anyway, this debate on destiny versus freewill is nevrending

> and

> > > can

> > > > not be resolved with our exiting concept/knowledge ot Time

and

> > > > Conciousness.

> > > >

> > > > What I was telling in the begning was that Planets donot

> > influence

> > > > our destiny, but they only indicate destiny. Like a watch

only

> > > > indicates time but doesnot control time.

> > > >

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > -- In , "OM"

> > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Yes Inderji,

> > > > >

> > > > > This is the whole concept of Hinduism. The Purush and the

> > > Prakrit.

> > > > > Can the Purush manipulate Prakrit? Can we rule over our

most

> > > > obvious

> > > > > instincts? Well, that is what meditation, tapas,

controlled

> > life

> > > > and

> > > > > civilization tells us about.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, I believe it is possible. But it is difficult. This

> > > > explanation

> > > > > is above and beyond astrology. The person or individual

rises

> > > > above

> > > > > the control of mere instincts and attains bliss or

> > enlightenment.

> > > > >

> > > > > Have anyone seen the horoscope of Swamiji (Vivenkanda,

> > Narendra

> > > > Nath

> > > > > Dutta). If someone has then he would know that there is no

> > > > > astrological evidence of his early death at the age of 33

> yrs.

> > > > People

> > > > > rise above instincts and control them. This is where

people

> > > > > become "Jeetendra", the controller of Instincts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes, one can take different forms. There are lots of

evidence

> > of

> > > > this

> > > > > in Indian texts. The same Vishnu was Narasimha and Raam.

> > Valmiki,

> > > > a

> > > > > dacoit became an esteemed Rishi. We can change our

instincts

> > and

> > > > take

> > > > > the attributes of any abstract planet.

> > > > >

> > > > > This is about the eternal conquest between the

> > baser "instincts"

> > > > and

> > > > > supreme "consciousness".

> > > > >

> > > > > This is my belief.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > >

> > > > > Souvik

> > > > >

> > > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > Suppose I make concious efforts to become cofortable

with

> > > > > > Jupitarian ,it could also happen that I can become

Jupiter

> > by

> > > > the

> > > > > > same more efforts.Is it possible? Or say can become

> > Neptunian

> > > by

> > > > > > some different efforts. Can I control like this.?

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -- In , "OM"

> > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If u r mercury: Please let me explain this part...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > By this I meant that u (and I as well as everybody) as

a

> > > Lagna

> > > > > and

> > > > > > 9

> > > > > > > planets. This is a fact. However, there comes out (we

can

> > > > deduce)

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > such entity (a planet) which is predominant in us in

all

> > > > > > > circumstances. No, this deduction is not simple. I

agree

> > on

> > > > this.

> > > > > > > But, once we know the basic abstraction of character

of

> > the

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > (represented by the qualities of a SINGLE planet) we

can

> > know

> > > > > > about

> > > > > > > his/her predominant instincts. This does NOT mean that

we

> > > > > > > underestimate his other characteristics, this just

means

> > that

> > > > a

> > > > > > > predominant part of his character is represented by

> > one..but

> > > > > > ofcourse

> > > > > > > their can be other traits in his character..but these

> > cannot

> > > > in

> > > > > > > totality explain the person. This is just like one

> > coalition

> > > > > party

> > > > > > > winning the elections...all the allies are imporatnt

but

> > only

> > > > 1

> > > > > > (has

> > > > > > > to) predominate.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes, now if u are ultimately Mercury, u "instinctly"

> would

> > be

> > > > > > > uncomfortable with one representing "Jupiter"

and "Mars".

> > > > > However,

> > > > > > > this doesnot mean that u can never go along with them.

By

> > > > making

> > > > > > > a "conscious" effort you have to activate

the "Jupiter"

> in

> > u

> > > > to

> > > > > > adapt

> > > > > > > to their view-point. This is a difficult task. This is

> > > > mentioned

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > all religious texts..to control ones instincts...I

have

> > not

> > > > given

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > new concept but just a different angle to it on the

> > earthly

> > > > plane.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again, I would like to answer ur very valid question.

> > > > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > > > No, it is NOT. But the task that is difficult is to

> > determine

> > > > the

> > > > > > > most predominant character , qualities, attributes of

the

> > > > person

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > map it to a planet. The theory after that is SIMPLE.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please do let me know ur views.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > > > You mean to say one person can be represented by one

of

> > the

> > > > 9

> > > > > or

> > > > > > 10

> > > > > > > > planets which we know ?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If I am Mercury , I would be uncofortable with One

> > > > representing

> > > > > > > > Jupiter or Mars ?

> > > > > > > > Is it so simple ?

> > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , "OM"

> > > > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > Dear Inderji,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Even if the popoulation shoots up to 1 zelion ,

we

> > > would

> > > > > map

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > these 9 planets.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I think this.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now, the question is that each of us have 10

planets

> > > > > > (including

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > Lagna). The work of one ahould be to know the most

> > > > dominant

> > > > > > > planet

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > the horoscope. However, their are all the 9 parts

> > > > > > (corresponding

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > 9 planets) in each of us. However, as an

abstraction

> > we

> > > > need

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > who we are.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > e.g. Inderji, if u r Buddh, u would be friends

with

> > > > Saturn,

> > > > > > > Venus,

> > > > > > > > > Rahu etc. These are the ppl who u would feel

> > comfortable

> > > > with

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > would love the company of. This is ur instinctive

> > nature.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > However, if u are forced to spend a day with Jup,

u

> > would

> > > > > find

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > difficult, as it would be against ur "instinct"

but u

> > > > still

> > > > > > can

> > > > > > > > b'coz

> > > > > > > > > u have Jup somewhere in ur chart. This would be

> > > > > ur "conscious"

> > > > > > > > effort.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Inderji this was just an example. Please donot

take

> > this

> > > > > > example

> > > > > > > > > seriously.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is what I meant to say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Yes, one can be Mars, Rahu or anything for that

> > matter.

> > > > Yes,

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > Mars

> > > > > > > > > can be under influence of Rahu but that is a

> different

> > > > story.

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > doesnot change his "instincts".

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I would explain in more detail in another mail...

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sauvik,

> > > > > > > > > > If we are the planets then we are 6 billions

> planets

> > on

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > earth?

> > > > > > > > > > What about your Mars or Rahu etc.

> > > > > > > > > > Inder

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > - In , "OM"

> > > > > > > > <explore_vulcan>

> > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > A great discussion topic Inderji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My views:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > I feel that we are the planets . Each of us in

> our

> > > own

> > > > > way

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > planets personified. We feel comfortable in

> > certain

> > > > > places

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > feel

> > > > > > > > > > > irritated in others.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > According to me, destiny or future is a result

of

> > > > karma

> > > > > > done

> > > > > > > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > Since, we interact with each other in ways. We

> > mould

> > > > our

> > > > > > > today

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > thus mould our destiny. This means "we"

(planets)

> > > > mould

> > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > > However, our reactions, feelings, instincts

etc.

> > are

> > > > > > gained

> > > > > > > so

> > > > > > > > > > > predictable and thus we may say that

> > > > > going "instinctively"

> > > > > > > our

> > > > > > > > > > > destinies are not goverened by us. However,

> > > > > > > > going "consciously",

> > > > > > > > > > we

> > > > > > > > > > > can mould our destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Souvik

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , "indervohra2001"

> > > > > > > > > > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friend,

> > > > > > > > > > > > I start a new type of discussion here.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I donot talk here on freewill versus destiny-

-

> a

> > > > debate

> > > > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > ever inconclusive.

> > > > > > > > > > > > I have following ideas about planets and

> > astrology:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Planets are not influencing our destiny in

any

> > way

> > > > but

> > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > > of the same destiny as we are. Planets move

in

> a

> > > > > > > predestined

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > fixed manner. As our destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Planetary position can be interpreted in

> > astrology

> > > > as

> > > > > > > future

> > > > > > > > > > > > indications.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > A watch does not control time ,it only

> indicates

> > > > Time.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sameway planets can only indicate destiny

and

> > donot

> > > > > > control

> > > > > > > > > > destiny.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > What you say dear..

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > More on this as you comment.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Inder