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Dear Manoshi,

 

You presented a very salient point. Scriptures tell us that Sadhana or

ritualistic practice is important for spirituality. The great Ramakrishna,

said first seek God and then serve the world with the knowledge that it is

Him you are serving, not helping as that conveys a notion of superiority.

Jesus Christ said the same thing in the Gospel, "In so much as u do for

others u do for others u do for me". But he or she who does it for pomp and

show,"they have already received their rewards".

 

So Meditation and prayer are important and without that mere works might

just accrue positive karma and does not necessarily lead us out of samsara.

but works with the attitude that one is serving god, that is redeeming.

 

Lastly from a vedantic standpoint, we do not attain God, we only realise

that we are one with God. He is not far but here.

 

God bless

 

K. Ajith

 

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Dear Friends,

 

Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

 

Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in my spare time). I

was inspired by the selfless volunteers working there during my

short stay.

I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain God...meditating

continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this thought brings up more

thoughts. What about those people who don't really meditate but work

selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to give them

whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. Isn't that a kind

of meditation?

I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk about God etc.

but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have not been able

to come out of their small world of ego. Are they really on the path

of attaining God or those who are simple, don't meditate but help

other people, help in healing the hurt done by others, selflessly,

are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal to chanting

mantras thousand times.

I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly, which gives us

profound inner satisfaction has the capability to lead us to the

doors of God.

It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so easy to attain

God?

 

Manoshi

 

 

 

 

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Dear Manoshi Ji:

 

> It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so easy to attain

> God?

 

The worst sin is to identify with the body, to say "I am an ordinary

person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have this sort of

awareness is the worst hell. But to have the awareness "I am the

Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the highest virtue; it is

also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will take us to God. Why

do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives within US. God is

not without US, nor are we without God. Let us live our life with

this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this Truth. This

is "Sadhana".

 

There is no greater worship than the worship of the Inner Self.

There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose oneself in the Self

is the true repetition of the mantra. For the mind to observe

silence is the true Japa, the true mantra repetition.

 

**************

When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing and no being seen.

This is the state of liberation in life.

**************

 

Om Tat Sat.

 

--Sanjay Aggarwal

 

, "khallopapa"

<khallopapa> wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

>

> Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in my spare time).

I

> was inspired by the selfless volunteers working there during my

> short stay.

> I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain

God...meditating

> continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this thought brings up

more

> thoughts. What about those people who don't really meditate but

work

> selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to give them

> whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. Isn't that a kind

> of meditation?

> I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk about God etc.

> but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have not been able

> to come out of their small world of ego. Are they really on the

path

> of attaining God or those who are simple, don't meditate but help

> other people, help in healing the hurt done by others, selflessly,

> are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal to chanting

> mantras thousand times.

> I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly, which gives us

> profound inner satisfaction has the capability to lead us to the

> doors of God.

> It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so easy to attain

> God?

>

> Manoshi

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Hi manoshi .. I agree with you ...

 

There is one point I would like to mention here just

to share my views ... I dont think there can be any

work done selflessly ... that is if you are talking in

terms of material gain ...

 

but often by doing charity people get a innerpeace ..

not that this is wrong .. but selflessness goes out of

the door because you do gain something by doing it ...

this has been the basis of Randism (A la Ayn rand

theory) ...

 

However, doing such things and simply mentally telling

god that I dedicate the result of the action to the

almighty (no need to name the god as vishnu etc ... )

... is the best way of both doing good things and

getting closer to god ...

 

Mantras on the other hand are a totally different

concept ... so is doing punya .. because both of these

will only lead us to a point where we have to discard

both of them to destroy karma ..

 

Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... they

are not wrong either .. however they are not the

ultimate aim either !!

 

Doing service is not selfless .. it cant be selfish

either .. it surely is an act that will balance both

your material mental emotional and physical needs and

hence should be done with dedication !!

 

I hope I am making sense !! .. Its really great that

you are doing service ... three cheers to you !!

 

 

--- khallopapa <khallopapa wrote:

> Dear Friends,

>

> Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

>

> Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital in my

> spare time. I

> was inspired by the selfless volunteers working

> there during my

> short stay.

> I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain

> God...meditating

> continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this

> thought brings up more

> thoughts. What about those people who don't really

> meditate but work

> selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to

> give them

> whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that.

> Isn't that a kind

> of meditation?

> I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk

> about God etc.

> but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have

> not been able

> to come out of their small world of ego. Are they

> really on the path

> of attaining God or those who are simple, don't

> meditate but help

> other people, help in healing the hurt done by

> others, selflessly,

> are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal

> to chanting

> mantras thousand times.

> I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly,

> which gives us

> profound inner satisfaction has the capability to

> lead us to the

> doors of God.

> It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so

> easy to attain

> God?

>

> Manoshi

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Sanjay,

 

The state you are talking about is a very high state

to attain (not know but to experience) .. it sometimes

takes years just to begin realising that we have to

unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves !!!

 

In fact anyone who can reach that state of being can

overcome karma to begin with ...

 

Just sharing !!

 

--- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology

wrote:

> Dear Manoshi Ji:

>

> > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be

> so easy to attain

> > God?

>

> The worst sin is to identify with the body, to say

> "I am an ordinary

> person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have

> this sort of

> awareness is the worst hell. But to have the

> awareness "I am the

> Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the

> highest virtue; it is

> also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will

> take us to God. Why

> do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives

> within US. God is

> not without US, nor are we without God. Let us live

> our life with

> this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this

> Truth. This

> is "Sadhana".

>

> There is no greater worship than the worship of the

> Inner Self.

> There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose

> oneself in the Self

> is the true repetition of the mantra. For the mind

> to observe

> silence is the true Japa, the true mantra

> repetition.

>

> **************

> When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing and

> no being seen.

> This is the state of liberation in life.

> **************

>

> Om Tat Sat.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

> ,

> "khallopapa"

> <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

> >

> > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in

> my spare time).

> I

> > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working

> there during my

> > short stay.

> > I keep wondering if there is just one way to

> attain

> God...meditating

> > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this

> thought brings up

> more

> > thoughts. What about those people who don't really

> meditate but

> work

> > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy

> to give them

> > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that.

> Isn't that a kind

> > of meditation?

> > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk

> about God etc.

> > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still

> have not been able

> > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they

> really on the

> path

> > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't

> meditate but help

> > other people, help in healing the hurt done by

> others, selflessly,

> > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal

> to chanting

> > mantras thousand times.

> > I strongly believe, anything that we do

> selflessly, which gives us

> > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to

> lead us to the

> > doors of God.

> > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be

> so easy to attain

> > God?

> >

> > Manoshi

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Surya :

 

Some more thoughts...

 

Remember, the second we change our Understanding, we start to move

into that state.

 

I live in the state of my own Understanding. Everybody exists in the

state of his or her Understanding, and whatever state of

Understanding we live in, so we become.

 

Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and whatever is inside me is

inside you. So what is the difference? The only difference is in the

Understanding. Some people think they lost it. Others think they Got

it. When we all get IT, we develop the right Understanding and we

can perceive everything within OurSelf.

 

If we go beyond the conscious mind, and the intellect, then we

realize that we are Nothing but the effulgent light of the Self, and

we begin to swim in that ocean of brilliance.

 

If we think we are far away from Gid, that is due to the delusion of

our own Mind.

 

Knowing ones True Nature and being immersed in It are two different

things.

 

Om Tat Sat.

 

--Sanjay Agggarwal

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Sanjay,

>

> The state you are talking about is a very high state

> to attain (not know but to experience) .. it sometimes

> takes years just to begin realising that we have to

> unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves !!!

>

> In fact anyone who can reach that state of being can

> overcome karma to begin with ...

>

> Just sharing !!

>

> --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology>

> wrote:

> > Dear Manoshi Ji:

> >

> > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be

> > so easy to attain

> > > God?

> >

> > The worst sin is to identify with the body, to say

> > "I am an ordinary

> > person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have

> > this sort of

> > awareness is the worst hell. But to have the

> > awareness "I am the

> > Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the

> > highest virtue; it is

> > also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will

> > take us to God. Why

> > do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives

> > within US. God is

> > not without US, nor are we without God. Let us live

> > our life with

> > this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this

> > Truth. This

> > is "Sadhana".

> >

> > There is no greater worship than the worship of the

> > Inner Self.

> > There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose

> > oneself in the Self

> > is the true repetition of the mantra. For the mind

> > to observe

> > silence is the true Japa, the true mantra

> > repetition.

> >

> > **************

> > When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing and

> > no being seen.

> > This is the state of liberation in life.

> > **************

> >

> > Om Tat Sat.

> >

> > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> >

> > ,

> > "khallopapa"

> > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

> > >

> > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in

> > my spare time).

> > I

> > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working

> > there during my

> > > short stay.

> > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to

> > attain

> > God...meditating

> > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this

> > thought brings up

> > more

> > > thoughts. What about those people who don't really

> > meditate but

> > work

> > > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy

> > to give them

> > > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that.

> > Isn't that a kind

> > > of meditation?

> > > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk

> > about God etc.

> > > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still

> > have not been able

> > > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they

> > really on the

> > path

> > > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't

> > meditate but help

> > > other people, help in healing the hurt done by

> > others, selflessly,

> > > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal

> > to chanting

> > > mantras thousand times.

> > > I strongly believe, anything that we do

> > selflessly, which gives us

> > > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to

> > lead us to the

> > > doors of God.

> > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be

> > so easy to attain

> > > God?

> > >

> > > Manoshi

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Sanjay,

 

I agree to the extent that by constantly reinforcing

the feeling within ourselves helps us get closer to

god .. there is no doubt about it ... but I somehow

feel a guiding hand in the form of a guru is very

necessary to hold us from agressively making us more

egoistic ...

 

What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham brahmansmi"

without caring to clear the layers of delusion as you

say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's like

Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that he is

the real Krishna !!! ...

 

I believe regular sadhana and constantly reminding

ourselves that we are one with the source and one with

every living being on earth really does help otherwise

!!

 

I just want to caution that it's possible that you

know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if you

give the same tool into the hand of someone who is not

evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his

actions rather than to understand the actual

implication ... that's what we should endevor to gaurd

against ...

 

Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the

conscious mind and intellect ... a state of samadhi

which is the ultimate feeling !!!

 

It's good to see you being so confidant of the fact

.... it surely shows that you have been born to evolve

.... sadly I must admit .. I am still in the mire of

the intellect and my desires ,...

 

Way to go sanjay !!

 

Surya.

 

 

--- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology

wrote:

> Dear Surya :

>

> Some more thoughts...

>

> Remember, the second we change our Understanding, we

> start to move

> into that state.

>

> I live in the state of my own Understanding.

> Everybody exists in the

> state of his or her Understanding, and whatever

> state of

> Understanding we live in, so we become.

>

> Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and whatever is

> inside me is

> inside you. So what is the difference? The only

> difference is in the

> Understanding. Some people think they lost it.

> Others think they Got

> it. When we all get IT, we develop the right

> Understanding and we

> can perceive everything within OurSelf.

>

> If we go beyond the conscious mind, and the

> intellect, then we

> realize that we are Nothing but the effulgent light

> of the Self, and

> we begin to swim in that ocean of brilliance.

>

> If we think we are far away from Gid, that is due to

> the delusion of

> our own Mind.

>

> Knowing ones True Nature and being immersed in It

> are two different

> things.

>

> Om Tat Sat.

>

> --Sanjay Agggarwal

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Sanjay,

> >

> > The state you are talking about is a very high

> state

> > to attain (not know but to experience) .. it

> sometimes

> > takes years just to begin realising that we have

> to

> > unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves

> !!!

> >

> > In fact anyone who can reach that state of being

> can

> > overcome karma to begin with ...

> >

> > Just sharing !!

> >

> > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Manoshi Ji:

> > >

> > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it

> be

> > > so easy to attain

> > > > God?

> > >

> > > The worst sin is to identify with the body, to

> say

> > > "I am an ordinary

> > > person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have

> > > this sort of

> > > awareness is the worst hell. But to have the

> > > awareness "I am the

> > > Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the

> > > highest virtue; it is

> > > also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will

> > > take us to God. Why

> > > do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives

> > > within US. God is

> > > not without US, nor are we without God. Let us

> live

> > > our life with

> > > this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this

> > > Truth. This

> > > is "Sadhana".

> > >

> > > There is no greater worship than the worship of

> the

> > > Inner Self.

> > > There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose

> > > oneself in the Self

> > > is the true repetition of the mantra. For the

> mind

> > > to observe

> > > silence is the true Japa, the true mantra

> > > repetition.

> > >

> > > **************

> > > When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing

> and

> > > no being seen.

> > > This is the state of liberation in life.

> > > **************

> > >

> > > Om Tat Sat.

> > >

> > > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> > >

> > > ,

> > > "khallopapa"

> > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > Dear Friends,

> > > >

> > > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

> > > >

> > > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital

> (in

> > > my spare time).

> > > I

> > > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers

> working

> > > there during my

> > > > short stay.

> > > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to

> > > attain

> > > God...meditating

> > > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this

> > > thought brings up

> > > more

> > > > thoughts. What about those people who don't

> really

> > > meditate but

> > > work

> > > > selflessly, day and night for the sick and

> needy

> > > to give them

> > > > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing

> that.

> > > Isn't that a kind

> > > > of meditation?

> > > > I know people who meditate vigorously, always

> talk

> > > about God etc.

> > > > but don't mind hurting people's feelings,

> still

> > > have not been able

> > > > to come out of their small world of ego. Are

> they

> > > really on the

> > > path

> > > > of attaining God or those who are simple,

> don't

> > > meditate but help

> > > > other people, help in healing the hurt done by

> > > others, selflessly,

> > > > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is

> equal

> > > to chanting

> > > > mantras thousand times.

> > > > I strongly believe, anything that we do

> > > selflessly, which gives us

> > > > profound inner satisfaction has the capability

> to

> > > lead us to the

> > > > doors of God.

> > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it

> be

> > > so easy to attain

> > > > God?

> > > >

> > > > Manoshi

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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