Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Dear Manoshi, You presented a very salient point. Scriptures tell us that Sadhana or ritualistic practice is important for spirituality. The great Ramakrishna, said first seek God and then serve the world with the knowledge that it is Him you are serving, not helping as that conveys a notion of superiority. Jesus Christ said the same thing in the Gospel, "In so much as u do for others u do for others u do for me". But he or she who does it for pomp and show,"they have already received their rewards". So Meditation and prayer are important and without that mere works might just accrue positive karma and does not necessarily lead us out of samsara. but works with the attitude that one is serving god, that is redeeming. Lastly from a vedantic standpoint, we do not attain God, we only realise that we are one with God. He is not far but here. God bless K. Ajith _ This report is solely for information and general circulation only and may not be published, circulated, reproduced or distributed in whole or in part to any other person without our written consent. This report should not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we have taken all reasonable care to ensure that the information contained in this publication is not untrue or misleading at the time of publication, we cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and you should not act on it without first independently verifying its contents. Any opinion or estimate contained in this report is subject to change without notice. We have not given any consideration to and we have not made any investigation of the investment objectives, financial situation or particular needs of the recipient or any class of persons, and accordingly, no warranty whatsoever is given and no liability whatsoever is accepted for any loss arising whether directly or indirectly as a result of the recipient or any class of persons acting on such information or opinion or estimate. OCBC Securities Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together with their respective directors and officers may have or take positions in the securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to perform broking and other investment or securities-related services for the corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other parties generally. Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. "khallopapa" <khallopapa@ya hoo.com> cc: Attaining God...another path? 07/05/04 07:30 Please respond to jyotish_remedi es Dear Friends, Sharing a few thoughts of mine. Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in my spare time). I was inspired by the selfless volunteers working there during my short stay. I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain God...meditating continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this thought brings up more thoughts. What about those people who don't really meditate but work selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to give them whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. Isn't that a kind of meditation? I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk about God etc. but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have not been able to come out of their small world of ego. Are they really on the path of attaining God or those who are simple, don't meditate but help other people, help in healing the hurt done by others, selflessly, are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal to chanting mantras thousand times. I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly, which gives us profound inner satisfaction has the capability to lead us to the doors of God. It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so easy to attain God? Manoshi ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2004 Report Share Posted May 6, 2004 Dear Manoshi Ji: > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so easy to attain > God? The worst sin is to identify with the body, to say "I am an ordinary person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have this sort of awareness is the worst hell. But to have the awareness "I am the Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the highest virtue; it is also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will take us to God. Why do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives within US. God is not without US, nor are we without God. Let us live our life with this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this Truth. This is "Sadhana". There is no greater worship than the worship of the Inner Self. There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose oneself in the Self is the true repetition of the mantra. For the mind to observe silence is the true Japa, the true mantra repetition. ************** When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing and no being seen. This is the state of liberation in life. ************** Om Tat Sat. --Sanjay Aggarwal , "khallopapa" <khallopapa> wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in my spare time). I > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working there during my > short stay. > I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain God...meditating > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this thought brings up more > thoughts. What about those people who don't really meditate but work > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to give them > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. Isn't that a kind > of meditation? > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk about God etc. > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have not been able > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they really on the path > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't meditate but help > other people, help in healing the hurt done by others, selflessly, > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal to chanting > mantras thousand times. > I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly, which gives us > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to lead us to the > doors of God. > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so easy to attain > God? > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Hi manoshi .. I agree with you ... There is one point I would like to mention here just to share my views ... I dont think there can be any work done selflessly ... that is if you are talking in terms of material gain ... but often by doing charity people get a innerpeace .. not that this is wrong .. but selflessness goes out of the door because you do gain something by doing it ... this has been the basis of Randism (A la Ayn rand theory) ... However, doing such things and simply mentally telling god that I dedicate the result of the action to the almighty (no need to name the god as vishnu etc ... ) ... is the best way of both doing good things and getting closer to god ... Mantras on the other hand are a totally different concept ... so is doing punya .. because both of these will only lead us to a point where we have to discard both of them to destroy karma .. Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... they are not wrong either .. however they are not the ultimate aim either !! Doing service is not selfless .. it cant be selfish either .. it surely is an act that will balance both your material mental emotional and physical needs and hence should be done with dedication !! I hope I am making sense !! .. Its really great that you are doing service ... three cheers to you !! --- khallopapa <khallopapa wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital in my > spare time. I > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working > there during my > short stay. > I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain > God...meditating > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this > thought brings up more > thoughts. What about those people who don't really > meditate but work > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to > give them > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. > Isn't that a kind > of meditation? > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk > about God etc. > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have > not been able > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they > really on the path > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't > meditate but help > other people, help in healing the hurt done by > others, selflessly, > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal > to chanting > mantras thousand times. > I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly, > which gives us > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to > lead us to the > doors of God. > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so > easy to attain > God? > > Manoshi > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Sanjay, The state you are talking about is a very high state to attain (not know but to experience) .. it sometimes takes years just to begin realising that we have to unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves !!! In fact anyone who can reach that state of being can overcome karma to begin with ... Just sharing !! --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology wrote: > Dear Manoshi Ji: > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be > so easy to attain > > God? > > The worst sin is to identify with the body, to say > "I am an ordinary > person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have > this sort of > awareness is the worst hell. But to have the > awareness "I am the > Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the > highest virtue; it is > also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will > take us to God. Why > do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives > within US. God is > not without US, nor are we without God. Let us live > our life with > this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this > Truth. This > is "Sadhana". > > There is no greater worship than the worship of the > Inner Self. > There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose > oneself in the Self > is the true repetition of the mantra. For the mind > to observe > silence is the true Japa, the true mantra > repetition. > > ************** > When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing and > no being seen. > This is the state of liberation in life. > ************** > > Om Tat Sat. > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > , > "khallopapa" > <khallopapa> wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in > my spare time). > I > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working > there during my > > short stay. > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to > attain > God...meditating > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this > thought brings up > more > > thoughts. What about those people who don't really > meditate but > work > > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy > to give them > > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. > Isn't that a kind > > of meditation? > > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk > about God etc. > > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still > have not been able > > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they > really on the > path > > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't > meditate but help > > other people, help in healing the hurt done by > others, selflessly, > > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal > to chanting > > mantras thousand times. > > I strongly believe, anything that we do > selflessly, which gives us > > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to > lead us to the > > doors of God. > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be > so easy to attain > > God? > > > > Manoshi > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Dear Surya : Some more thoughts... Remember, the second we change our Understanding, we start to move into that state. I live in the state of my own Understanding. Everybody exists in the state of his or her Understanding, and whatever state of Understanding we live in, so we become. Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and whatever is inside me is inside you. So what is the difference? The only difference is in the Understanding. Some people think they lost it. Others think they Got it. When we all get IT, we develop the right Understanding and we can perceive everything within OurSelf. If we go beyond the conscious mind, and the intellect, then we realize that we are Nothing but the effulgent light of the Self, and we begin to swim in that ocean of brilliance. If we think we are far away from Gid, that is due to the delusion of our own Mind. Knowing ones True Nature and being immersed in It are two different things. Om Tat Sat. --Sanjay Agggarwal , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Sanjay, > > The state you are talking about is a very high state > to attain (not know but to experience) .. it sometimes > takes years just to begin realising that we have to > unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves !!! > > In fact anyone who can reach that state of being can > overcome karma to begin with ... > > Just sharing !! > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > wrote: > > Dear Manoshi Ji: > > > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be > > so easy to attain > > > God? > > > > The worst sin is to identify with the body, to say > > "I am an ordinary > > person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have > > this sort of > > awareness is the worst hell. But to have the > > awareness "I am the > > Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the > > highest virtue; it is > > also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will > > take us to God. Why > > do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives > > within US. God is > > not without US, nor are we without God. Let us live > > our life with > > this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this > > Truth. This > > is "Sadhana". > > > > There is no greater worship than the worship of the > > Inner Self. > > There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose > > oneself in the Self > > is the true repetition of the mantra. For the mind > > to observe > > silence is the true Japa, the true mantra > > repetition. > > > > ************** > > When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing and > > no being seen. > > This is the state of liberation in life. > > ************** > > > > Om Tat Sat. > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > , > > "khallopapa" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > > > > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital (in > > my spare time). > > I > > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working > > there during my > > > short stay. > > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to > > attain > > God...meditating > > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this > > thought brings up > > more > > > thoughts. What about those people who don't really > > meditate but > > work > > > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy > > to give them > > > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. > > Isn't that a kind > > > of meditation? > > > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk > > about God etc. > > > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still > > have not been able > > > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they > > really on the > > path > > > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't > > meditate but help > > > other people, help in healing the hurt done by > > others, selflessly, > > > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal > > to chanting > > > mantras thousand times. > > > I strongly believe, anything that we do > > selflessly, which gives us > > > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to > > lead us to the > > > doors of God. > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be > > so easy to attain > > > God? > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Sanjay, I agree to the extent that by constantly reinforcing the feeling within ourselves helps us get closer to god .. there is no doubt about it ... but I somehow feel a guiding hand in the form of a guru is very necessary to hold us from agressively making us more egoistic ... What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham brahmansmi" without caring to clear the layers of delusion as you say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's like Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that he is the real Krishna !!! ... I believe regular sadhana and constantly reminding ourselves that we are one with the source and one with every living being on earth really does help otherwise !! I just want to caution that it's possible that you know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if you give the same tool into the hand of someone who is not evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his actions rather than to understand the actual implication ... that's what we should endevor to gaurd against ... Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the conscious mind and intellect ... a state of samadhi which is the ultimate feeling !!! It's good to see you being so confidant of the fact .... it surely shows that you have been born to evolve .... sadly I must admit .. I am still in the mire of the intellect and my desires ,... Way to go sanjay !! Surya. --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology wrote: > Dear Surya : > > Some more thoughts... > > Remember, the second we change our Understanding, we > start to move > into that state. > > I live in the state of my own Understanding. > Everybody exists in the > state of his or her Understanding, and whatever > state of > Understanding we live in, so we become. > > Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and whatever is > inside me is > inside you. So what is the difference? The only > difference is in the > Understanding. Some people think they lost it. > Others think they Got > it. When we all get IT, we develop the right > Understanding and we > can perceive everything within OurSelf. > > If we go beyond the conscious mind, and the > intellect, then we > realize that we are Nothing but the effulgent light > of the Self, and > we begin to swim in that ocean of brilliance. > > If we think we are far away from Gid, that is due to > the delusion of > our own Mind. > > Knowing ones True Nature and being immersed in It > are two different > things. > > Om Tat Sat. > > --Sanjay Agggarwal > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Sanjay, > > > > The state you are talking about is a very high > state > > to attain (not know but to experience) .. it > sometimes > > takes years just to begin realising that we have > to > > unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves > !!! > > > > In fact anyone who can reach that state of being > can > > overcome karma to begin with ... > > > > Just sharing !! > > > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi Ji: > > > > > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it > be > > > so easy to attain > > > > God? > > > > > > The worst sin is to identify with the body, to > say > > > "I am an ordinary > > > person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have > > > this sort of > > > awareness is the worst hell. But to have the > > > awareness "I am the > > > Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the > > > highest virtue; it is > > > also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will > > > take us to God. Why > > > do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives > > > within US. God is > > > not without US, nor are we without God. Let us > live > > > our life with > > > this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this > > > Truth. This > > > is "Sadhana". > > > > > > There is no greater worship than the worship of > the > > > Inner Self. > > > There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose > > > oneself in the Self > > > is the true repetition of the mantra. For the > mind > > > to observe > > > silence is the true Japa, the true mantra > > > repetition. > > > > > > ************** > > > When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing > and > > > no being seen. > > > This is the state of liberation in life. > > > ************** > > > > > > Om Tat Sat. > > > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > > > , > > > "khallopapa" > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > > > > > > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital > (in > > > my spare time). > > > I > > > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers > working > > > there during my > > > > short stay. > > > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to > > > attain > > > God...meditating > > > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this > > > thought brings up > > > more > > > > thoughts. What about those people who don't > really > > > meditate but > > > work > > > > selflessly, day and night for the sick and > needy > > > to give them > > > > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing > that. > > > Isn't that a kind > > > > of meditation? > > > > I know people who meditate vigorously, always > talk > > > about God etc. > > > > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, > still > > > have not been able > > > > to come out of their small world of ego. Are > they > > > really on the > > > path > > > > of attaining God or those who are simple, > don't > > > meditate but help > > > > other people, help in healing the hurt done by > > > others, selflessly, > > > > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is > equal > > > to chanting > > > > mantras thousand times. > > > > I strongly believe, anything that we do > > > selflessly, which gives us > > > > profound inner satisfaction has the capability > to > > > lead us to the > > > > doors of God. > > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it > be > > > so easy to attain > > > > God? > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs > > > http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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