Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Dear Surya, I read ur post with interest, however i am perplexed by ur comments. " Mantras on the other hand are a totally different concept ... so is doing punya .. because both of these will only lead us to a point where we have to discard both of them to destroy karma .. Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... they are not wrong either ... however they are not the ultimate aim either !! Millions of pious Hindus and buddhists chant some sort of Mantra. I think you fail to understand the power of mantras. The Vedas extol the use of Mantras, Sankaras' bhaja Govindam speak of power of Mantras as does the Srimad Bhagavadam and numerous other scriptures. Mantras lead us to the object of attraction, ie we get what we call forth. In that aspect great bhaktas like Chiatanya had recommended Mantras as devotional tools. Where did u get this notion that one has to discard Mantras to destroy Karma. On the other hand Mantras are used to destroy attachement and the resultant Karma. The goal of Mantra is always the vision of the Ishta and for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. Is there a state beyond that, the Vedanta as espoused by Sankara says there is, that of Nirguna Brahman, but then it is the Ishtas role to guide the devotee there. I do not know abt others, but i am still trying to realise my Ishta. Reg Ajith K. Ajith _ This report is solely for information and general circulation only and may not be published, circulated, reproduced or distributed in whole or in part to any other person without our written consent. This report should not be construed as an offer or solicitation for the subscription, purchase or sale of the securities mentioned herein. 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OCBC Securities Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations together with their respective directors and officers may have or take positions in the securities mentioned in this report and may also perform or seek to perform broking and other investment or securities-related services for the corporations whose securities are mentioned in this report as well as other parties generally. Privileged/Confidential information may be contained in this message. If you are not the addressee indicated in this message (or responsible for delivery of the message to such person), you may not copy or deliver this message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to the official business of my company shall be understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv@ cc: > Re: Attaining God...another path? 07/05/04 14:22 Please respond to Hi manoshi .. I agree with you ... There is one point I would like to mention here just to share my views ... I dont think there can be any work done selflessly ... that is if you are talking in terms of material gain ... but often by doing charity people get a innerpeace .. not that this is wrong .. but selflessness goes out of the door because you do gain something by doing it ... this has been the basis of Randism (A la Ayn rand theory) ... However, doing such things and simply mentally telling god that I dedicate the result of the action to the almighty (no need to name the god as vishnu etc ... ) ... is the best way of both doing good things and getting closer to god ... Mantras on the other hand are a totally different concept ... so is doing punya .. because both of these will only lead us to a point where we have to discard both of them to destroy karma .. Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... they are not wrong either .. however they are not the ultimate aim either !! Doing service is not selfless .. it cant be selfish either .. it surely is an act that will balance both your material mental emotional and physical needs and hence should be done with dedication !! I hope I am making sense !! .. Its really great that you are doing service ... three cheers to you !! --- khallopapa <khallopapa wrote: > Dear Friends, > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital in my > spare time. I > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working > there during my > short stay. > I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain > God...meditating > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this > thought brings up more > thoughts. What about those people who don't really > meditate but work > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to > give them > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that. > Isn't that a kind > of meditation? > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk > about God etc. > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have > not been able > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they > really on the path > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't > meditate but help > other people, help in healing the hurt done by > others, selflessly, > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal > to chanting > mantras thousand times. > I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly, > which gives us > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to > lead us to the > doors of God. > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so > easy to attain > God? > > Manoshi > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Dear Ajith, I was referring in the context of going beyond the ista as well ... Mantras lead to the istas .. I was talking about going beyond the istas as well when I said that mantras will lead only to a point after which they lose their significance as well .. No, I dont underestimate the power of mantras at all .... However mantras are a means to an end and not hte end in themselves is what I want to highlight ... I am sure you will agree on that ! In this context I would like to mention that Nirguna para brahman is not bound to mantras or anything else ... to me reaching him is a process of negation and not attachment to anything ... However, I need maybe to correct the context in which I had said "a point where we have to discard both of them to destroy karma .." .. I didnt intend here to say that discarding mantras is discarding karma or anything on that line .. I had merely intended to say that when you are ready to completely eliminate the impressions formed by either the mantras or the karmas you are one with Brahman ... I was really impressed by your earlier mail as well .... do correct me wherever you feel there is something for me to learn ... Thank you --- ajith wrote: > > > Dear Surya, > > I read ur post with interest, however i am perplexed > by ur comments. > " Mantras on the other hand are a totally different > concept ... so is doing > punya .. because both of these will only lead us to > a point where we have > to discard both of them to destroy karma .. > > Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... > they are not wrong either > .. however they are not the ultimate aim either !! > > Millions of pious Hindus and buddhists chant some > sort of Mantra. > I think you fail to understand the power of > mantras. The Vedas extol the > use of Mantras, Sankaras' bhaja Govindam speak of > power of Mantras as does > the Srimad Bhagavadam and numerous other scriptures. > Mantras lead us to > the object of attraction, ie we get what we call > forth. In that aspect > great bhaktas like Chiatanya had recommended Mantras > as devotional tools. > Where did u get this notion that one has to discard > Mantras to destroy > Karma. On the other hand Mantras are used to destroy > attachement and the > resultant Karma. The goal of Mantra is always the > vision of the Ishta and > for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. Is > there a state beyond > that, the Vedanta as espoused by Sankara says there > is, that of Nirguna > Brahman, but then it is the Ishtas role to guide the > devotee there. I do > not know abt others, but i am still trying to > realise my Ishta. > > Reg > > Ajith > > > > > K. Ajith > > _ > This report is solely for information and general > circulation only and may > not be published, circulated, reproduced or > distributed in whole or in part > to any other person without our written consent. > This report should not be > construed as an offer or solicitation for the > subscription, purchase or > sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we > have taken all > reasonable care to ensure that the information > contained in this > publication is not untrue or misleading at the time > of publication, we > cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and > you should not act on it > without first independently verifying its contents. > Any opinion or estimate > contained in this report is subject to change > without notice. We have not > given any consideration to and we have not made any > investigation of the > investment objectives, financial situation or > particular needs of the > recipient or any class of persons, and accordingly, > no warranty whatsoever > is given and no liability whatsoever is accepted for > any loss arising > whether directly or indirectly as a result of the > recipient or any class of > persons acting on such information or opinion or > estimate. OCBC Securities > Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated corporations > together with their > respective directors and officers may have or take > positions in the > securities mentioned in this report and may also > perform or seek to perform > broking and other investment or securities-related > services for the > corporations whose securities are mentioned in this > report as well as other > parties generally. > > Privileged/Confidential information may be contained > in this message. If > you are not the addressee indicated in this message > (or responsible for > delivery of the message to such person), you may not > copy or deliver this > message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other > information in this > message that do not relate to the official business > of my company shall be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it. > > > > > surya > > vishnubhotla To: > > <surya_prakashv@ cc: > > > Subject: > Re: Attaining God...another > path? > > 07/05/04 14:22 > > Please respond > > to > > > > > Hi manoshi .. I agree with you ... > > There is one point I would like to mention here just > to share my views ... I dont think there can be any > work done selflessly ... that is if you are talking > in > terms of material gain ... > > but often by doing charity people get a innerpeace > .. > not that this is wrong .. but selflessness goes out > of > the door because you do gain something by doing it > ... > this has been the basis of Randism (A la Ayn rand > theory) ... > > However, doing such things and simply mentally > telling > god that I dedicate the result of the action to the > almighty (no need to name the god as vishnu etc ... > ) > .. is the best way of both doing good things and > getting closer to god ... > > Mantras on the other hand are a totally different > concept ... so is doing punya .. because both of > these > will only lead us to a point where we have to > discard > both of them to destroy karma .. > > Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... > they > are not wrong either .. however they are not the > ultimate aim either !! > > Doing service is not selfless .. it cant be selfish > either .. it surely is an act that will balance both > your material mental emotional and physical needs > and > hence should be done with dedication !! > > I hope I am making sense !! .. Its really great that > you are doing service ... three cheers to you !! > > > --- khallopapa <khallopapa wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine. > > > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital in > my > > spare time. I > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working > > there during my > > short stay. > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to > attain > > God...meditating > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this > > thought brings up more > === message truncated === Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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