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Dear Ajith Bhai:

 

>The goal of Mantra is always the vision of the Ishta and

>for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim.

 

Beautiful Indeed....

 

Some more additions from my side.

 

Worshipping God a thousand times is as good as repeating a hymn

once. Repeating a thousand hymns is equal to one repetition of the

Mantra. Repeating the Mantra a million times is equal to one moment

of stillness in good meditation. Meditating a million times is equal

to one total merging in the Self. Therefore, the scriptures say "To

lose onself in the Self is the true repetition of the Mantra". There

is no greater deity than the Self. There is no greater worship than

the worship of the Inner Self. A person should consider his own

inner Self the Deity and should remain in this natural state all the

time.

 

For the mind to observe silence is the true "JAPA", the true mantra

repetition.

 

As the mind contemplates continuously, it stops. Pursue whatever is

left. That is the ATTAINMENT.

 

Om Tat Sat.

 

--Sanjay Aggarwal

 

jyotish_tat_sat

saggarwal_4

 

 

, ajith@o... wrote:

>

>

> Dear Surya,

>

> I read ur post with interest, however i am perplexed by ur

comments.

> " Mantras on the other hand are a totally different concept ... so

is doing

> punya .. because both of these will only lead us to a point where

we have

> to discard both of them to destroy karma ..

>

> Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... they are not

wrong either

> .. however they are not the ultimate aim either !!

>

> Millions of pious Hindus and buddhists chant some sort of Mantra.

> I think you fail to understand the power of mantras. The Vedas

extol the

> use of Mantras, Sankaras' bhaja Govindam speak of power of Mantras

as does

> the Srimad Bhagavadam and numerous other scriptures. Mantras lead

us to

> the object of attraction, ie we get what we call forth. In that

aspect

> great bhaktas like Chiatanya had recommended Mantras as devotional

tools.

> Where did u get this notion that one has to discard Mantras to

destroy

> Karma. On the other hand Mantras are used to destroy attachement

and the

> resultant Karma. The goal of Mantra is always the vision of the

Ishta and

> for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. Is there a state

beyond

> that, the Vedanta as espoused by Sankara says there is, that of

Nirguna

> Brahman, but then it is the Ishtas role to guide the devotee

there. I do

> not know abt others, but i am still trying to realise my Ishta.

>

> Reg

>

> Ajith

>

>

>

>

> K. Ajith

>

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>

> Hi manoshi .. I agree with you ...

>

> There is one point I would like to mention here just

> to share my views ... I dont think there can be any

> work done selflessly ... that is if you are talking in

> terms of material gain ...

>

> but often by doing charity people get a innerpeace ..

> not that this is wrong .. but selflessness goes out of

> the door because you do gain something by doing it ...

> this has been the basis of Randism (A la Ayn rand

> theory) ...

>

> However, doing such things and simply mentally telling

> god that I dedicate the result of the action to the

> almighty (no need to name the god as vishnu etc ... )

> .. is the best way of both doing good things and

> getting closer to god ...

>

> Mantras on the other hand are a totally different

> concept ... so is doing punya .. because both of these

> will only lead us to a point where we have to discard

> both of them to destroy karma ..

>

> Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... they

> are not wrong either .. however they are not the

> ultimate aim either !!

>

> Doing service is not selfless .. it cant be selfish

> either .. it surely is an act that will balance both

> your material mental emotional and physical needs and

> hence should be done with dedication !!

>

> I hope I am making sense !! .. Its really great that

> you are doing service ... three cheers to you !!

>

>

> --- khallopapa <khallopapa> wrote:

> > Dear Friends,

> >

> > Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

> >

> > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital in my

> > spare time. I

> > was inspired by the selfless volunteers working

> > there during my

> > short stay.

> > I keep wondering if there is just one way to attain

> > God...meditating

> > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this

> > thought brings up more

> > thoughts. What about those people who don't really

> > meditate but work

> > selflessly, day and night for the sick and needy to

> > give them

> > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing that.

> > Isn't that a kind

> > of meditation?

> > I know people who meditate vigorously, always talk

> > about God etc.

> > but don't mind hurting people's feelings, still have

> > not been able

> > to come out of their small world of ego. Are they

> > really on the path

> > of attaining God or those who are simple, don't

> > meditate but help

> > other people, help in healing the hurt done by

> > others, selflessly,

> > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is equal

> > to chanting

> > mantras thousand times.

> > I strongly believe, anything that we do selflessly,

> > which gives us

> > profound inner satisfaction has the capability to

> > lead us to the

> > doors of God.

> > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it be so

> > easy to attain

> > God?

> >

> > Manoshi

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

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Have you had any specific experiences to share

sanjay??? I would love to know !!

 

I once felt a very vibrant light descend into my

vision when I was doing gayathri mantra .. this was

after I think repeating the mantra over a 1000 times

.... at which point I experienced a total stillness and

blankness in my mind ... I thik at that point I

stopped repeting the mantra and was surely not asleep

as I recollected later ... and suddenly there was a

huge spinning light that appeared and gave me a jolt

back into reality ... I never understood the

significance of this .. and I always wanted to wait to

ask my guru about the same when he came into my life

.....

 

There was one more time when I was travelling in a bus

to hyderabad and suddenly a extrodinarliy beautiful

image of lord krishna appeared into my vision which

was followed by a intense un explainable joy wehre I

was feeling one with everything around me ... this

lasted for about 3 hours .. and the next day I was

told by my dad that the previous day was Janmastami

!!! something I had forgotten !!! again I dont know

what to make of this experience either ... because I

love Lord Krishna a lot yet dont think I am great

enough to have his visions !!

 

there are other instances as well ... however these

are the two highlights of my feeling !!

 

Cheers !

 

 

 

 

--- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology

wrote:

> Dear Ajith Bhai:

>

> >The goal of Mantra is always the vision of the

> Ishta and

> >for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim.

>

> Beautiful Indeed....

>

> Some more additions from my side.

>

> Worshipping God a thousand times is as good as

> repeating a hymn

> once. Repeating a thousand hymns is equal to one

> repetition of the

> Mantra. Repeating the Mantra a million times is

> equal to one moment

> of stillness in good meditation. Meditating a

> million times is equal

> to one total merging in the Self. Therefore, the

> scriptures say "To

> lose onself in the Self is the true repetition of

> the Mantra". There

> is no greater deity than the Self. There is no

> greater worship than

> the worship of the Inner Self. A person should

> consider his own

> inner Self the Deity and should remain in this

> natural state all the

> time.

>

> For the mind to observe silence is the true "JAPA",

> the true mantra

> repetition.

>

> As the mind contemplates continuously, it stops.

> Pursue whatever is

> left. That is the ATTAINMENT.

>

> Om Tat Sat.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

> jyotish_tat_sat

> saggarwal_4

>

>

> , ajith@o...

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Surya,

> >

> > I read ur post with interest, however i am

> perplexed by ur

> comments.

> > " Mantras on the other hand are a totally

> different concept ... so

> is doing

> > punya .. because both of these will only lead us

> to a point where

> we have

> > to discard both of them to destroy karma ..

> >

> > Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ...

> they are not

> wrong either

> > .. however they are not the ultimate aim either !!

> >

> > Millions of pious Hindus and buddhists chant some

> sort of Mantra.

> > I think you fail to understand the power of

> mantras. The Vedas

> extol the

> > use of Mantras, Sankaras' bhaja Govindam speak of

> power of Mantras

> as does

> > the Srimad Bhagavadam and numerous other

> scriptures. Mantras lead

> us to

> > the object of attraction, ie we get what we call

> forth. In that

> aspect

> > great bhaktas like Chiatanya had recommended

> Mantras as devotional

> tools.

> > Where did u get this notion that one has to

> discard Mantras to

> destroy

> > Karma. On the other hand Mantras are used to

> destroy attachement

> and the

> > resultant Karma. The goal of Mantra is always the

> vision of the

> Ishta and

> > for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. Is

> there a state

> beyond

> > that, the Vedanta as espoused by Sankara says

> there is, that of

> Nirguna

> > Brahman, but then it is the Ishtas role to guide

> the devotee

> there. I do

> > not know abt others, but i am still trying to

> realise my Ishta.

> >

> > Reg

> >

> > Ajith

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > K. Ajith

> >

> >

> _

> > This report is solely for information and general

> circulation only

> and may

> > not be published, circulated, reproduced or

> distributed in whole

> or in part

> > to any other person without our written consent.

> This report

> should not be

> > construed as an offer or solicitation for the

> subscription,

> purchase or

> > sale of the securities mentioned herein. Whilst we

> have taken all

> > reasonable care to ensure that the information

> contained in this

> > publication is not untrue or misleading at the

> time of

> publication, we

> > cannot guarantee its accuracy or completeness, and

> you should not

> act on it

> > without first independently verifying its

> contents. Any opinion or

> estimate

> > contained in this report is subject to change

> without notice. We

> have not

> > given any consideration to and we have not made

> any investigation

> of the

> > investment objectives, financial situation or

> particular needs of

> the

> > recipient or any class of persons, and

> accordingly, no warranty

> whatsoever

> > is given and no liability whatsoever is accepted

> for any loss

> arising

> > whether directly or indirectly as a result of the

> recipient or any

> class of

> > persons acting on such information or opinion or

> estimate. OCBC

> Securities

> > Pte Ltd and its related and affiliated

> corporations together with

> their

> > respective directors and officers may have or take

> positions in the

> > securities mentioned in this report and may also

> perform or seek

> to perform

> > broking and other investment or securities-related

> services for the

> > corporations whose securities are mentioned in

> this report as well

> as other

> > parties generally.

> >

> > Privileged/Confidential information may be

> contained in this

> message. If

> > you are not the addressee indicated in this

> message (or

> responsible for

> > delivery of the message to such person), you may

> not copy or

> deliver this

> > message to anyone. Opinions, conclusions and other

> information in

> this

> > message that do not relate to the official

> business of my company

> shall be

> > understood as neither given nor endorsed by it.

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> >

> surya

>

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