Attaining God...another path? --> Surya

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Dear Surya:

 

Just tuning in from southern california. Very nice thoughts..

 

> What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham brahmansmi"

> without caring to clear the layers of delusion as you

> say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's like

> Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that he is

> the real Krishna !!! ...

> I just want to caution that it's possible that you

> know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if you

> give the same tool into the hand of someone who is not

> evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his

> actions rather than to understand the actual

> implication ... that's what we should endevor to gaurd

> against ...

 

Yes. There is an eternal principle behind the mind, from which ego

arises and which observes ego all the time. We should identify

ourselves with That. That pure "I" - awareness has no appendages.

That is the supreme Truth, and that is the right kind of "I" -

awareness. The Vedas point to the pure "I" - awareness, the "I" -

awareness which is free of all identifications, and they have

sanctioned it.

 

The sanction in the Vedic dictum "AHAM BRAHMASMI", "I am the highest

Being". So we should change the direction of our Ego. We should have

the Ego of "I am Consciousness, I am God, I am pure, I am all

pervasive". That kind of ego is perfectly valid. When the ego is

obliterated, our personality is not obliterated. For instance, if

there is a person who gets angry, but his anger leaves him, what

makes us think that his personality leaves him? In the same way, if

a person's ego leaves him, what makes us think that his personality

leaves him? :-). His personality will remain.

 

Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner Self.

 

> Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the

> conscious mind and intellect ... a state of samadhi

> which is the ultimate feeling !!!

 

When we absorbed in God, there is no seeing and no being seen.

 

The real question is "How long will it take to get rid of our ego?".

It is very stubborn.

 

The answer through my understanding is : As much time as it takes

for us to snap our fingers. The ego is not holding us. We are

holding it. Once a man went to see King Janaka. He found Janaka

standing under a tree. He had put his elbow on a branch, and he was

resting his head on his hand, thinking about something. The man

asked, "You are Janaka, you are a great king. Not only that, you

have risen above body-consciousness. I want your help to discard my

ego." Janaka stood there with his arm around the branch and

said , "Brother, just wait. I will answer your question when this

branch lets me go."

 

"But the branch is not holding you", the man said. "You are holding

that branch".

 

"You are in the same situation," said Janaka. "It is you who are

holding onto your ego. You have made ego your friend and you dont

want to let go of it. Now all you have to do is let go of it and you

will be free".

 

Om Tat Sat.

 

--Sanjay Aggarwal

 

 

 

 

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Sanjay,

>

> I agree to the extent that by constantly reinforcing

> the feeling within ourselves helps us get closer to

> god .. there is no doubt about it ... but I somehow

> feel a guiding hand in the form of a guru is very

> necessary to hold us from agressively making us more

> egoistic ...

>

> What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham brahmansmi"

> without caring to clear the layers of delusion as you

> say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's like

> Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that he is

> the real Krishna !!! ...

>

> I believe regular sadhana and constantly reminding

> ourselves that we are one with the source and one with

> every living being on earth really does help otherwise

> !!

>

> I just want to caution that it's possible that you

> know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if you

> give the same tool into the hand of someone who is not

> evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his

> actions rather than to understand the actual

> implication ... that's what we should endevor to gaurd

> against ...

>

> Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the

> conscious mind and intellect ... a state of samadhi

> which is the ultimate feeling !!!

>

> It's good to see you being so confidant of the fact

> ... it surely shows that you have been born to evolve

> ... sadly I must admit .. I am still in the mire of

> the intellect and my desires ,...

>

> Way to go sanjay !!

>

> Surya.

>

>

> --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology>

> wrote:

> > Dear Surya :

> >

> > Some more thoughts...

> >

> > Remember, the second we change our Understanding, we

> > start to move

> > into that state.

> >

> > I live in the state of my own Understanding.

> > Everybody exists in the

> > state of his or her Understanding, and whatever

> > state of

> > Understanding we live in, so we become.

> >

> > Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and whatever is

> > inside me is

> > inside you. So what is the difference? The only

> > difference is in the

> > Understanding. Some people think they lost it.

> > Others think they Got

> > it. When we all get IT, we develop the right

> > Understanding and we

> > can perceive everything within OurSelf.

> >

> > If we go beyond the conscious mind, and the

> > intellect, then we

> > realize that we are Nothing but the effulgent light

> > of the Self, and

> > we begin to swim in that ocean of brilliance.

> >

> > If we think we are far away from Gid, that is due to

> > the delusion of

> > our own Mind.

> >

> > Knowing ones True Nature and being immersed in It

> > are two different

> > things.

> >

> > Om Tat Sat.

> >

> > --Sanjay Agggarwal

> >

> > , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Sanjay,

> > >

> > > The state you are talking about is a very high

> > state

> > > to attain (not know but to experience) .. it

> > sometimes

> > > takes years just to begin realising that we have

> > to

> > > unlearn all that we have learnt about ourselves

> > !!!

> > >

> > > In fact anyone who can reach that state of being

> > can

> > > overcome karma to begin with ...

> > >

> > > Just sharing !!

> > >

> > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Dear Manoshi Ji:

> > > >

> > > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it

> > be

> > > > so easy to attain

> > > > > God?

> > > >

> > > > The worst sin is to identify with the body, to

> > say

> > > > "I am an ordinary

> > > > person."; "I am not a GOOD human being". To have

> > > > this sort of

> > > > awareness is the worst hell. But to have the

> > > > awareness "I am the

> > > > Self, I am pure, I am sublime" is not only the

> > > > highest virtue; it is

> > > > also the best "sadhana", the "sadhana" that will

> > > > take us to God. Why

> > > > do we seek THAT from forest to forest? He lives

> > > > within US. God is

> > > > not without US, nor are we without God. Let us

> > live

> > > > our life with

> > > > this very Truth. Let us lead our life with this

> > > > Truth. This

> > > > is "Sadhana".

> > > >

> > > > There is no greater worship than the worship of

> > the

> > > > Inner Self.

> > > > There is no greater deity than the Self. To lose

> > > > oneself in the Self

> > > > is the true repetition of the mantra. For the

> > mind

> > > > to observe

> > > > silence is the true Japa, the true mantra

> > > > repetition.

> > > >

> > > > **************

> > > > When we are absorbed in God, there is no seeing

> > and

> > > > no being seen.

> > > > This is the state of liberation in life.

> > > > **************

> > > >

> > > > Om Tat Sat.

> > > >

> > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "khallopapa"

> > > > <khallopapa> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Friends,

> > > > >

> > > > > Sharing a few thoughts of mine.

> > > > >

> > > > > Today I applied for volunteering in a hospital

> > (in

> > > > my spare time).

> > > > I

> > > > > was inspired by the selfless volunteers

> > working

> > > > there during my

> > > > > short stay.

> > > > > I keep wondering if there is just one way to

> > > > attain

> > > > God...meditating

> > > > > continuously, and chanting mantras ? And this

> > > > thought brings up

> > > > more

> > > > > thoughts. What about those people who don't

> > really

> > > > meditate but

> > > > work

> > > > > selflessly, day and night for the sick and

> > needy

> > > > to give them

> > > > > whatever little they can? They enjoy doing

> > that.

> > > > Isn't that a kind

> > > > > of meditation?

> > > > > I know people who meditate vigorously, always

> > talk

> > > > about God etc.

> > > > > but don't mind hurting people's feelings,

> > still

> > > > have not been able

> > > > > to come out of their small world of ego. Are

> > they

> > > > really on the

> > > > path

> > > > > of attaining God or those who are simple,

> > don't

> > > > meditate but help

> > > > > other people, help in healing the hurt done by

> > > > others, selflessly,

> > > > > are more near to God? `That' satisfaction is

> > equal

> > > > to chanting

> > > > > mantras thousand times.

> > > > > I strongly believe, anything that we do

> > > > selflessly, which gives us

> > > > > profound inner satisfaction has the capability

> > to

> > > > lead us to the

> > > > > doors of God.

> > > > > It's so hard to be a GOOD human being...can it

> > be

> > > > so easy to attain

> > > > > God?

> > > > >

> > > > > Manoshi

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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Sanjay,

 

I agree with Surya here, you are certainly at a higher level of

evolution than some of us - well, let me just speak for myself, :-),

higher level than me. I'm curious, what indications in your natal

chart support this? Strong Advaita convictions .... did you ever

study your chart to see if this is indicated in the Vimsamsa maybe?

I can't find much help with analysing a chart for spirituality, the

bulk of research seems to be in the marraiges/jobs/money area! All

important things of course, but why stop there :-)

 

Venkatarama

 

> > It's good to see you being so confidant of the fact

> > ... it surely shows that you have been born to evolve

> > ... sadly I must admit .. I am still in the mire of

> > the intellect and my desires ,...

> >

> > Way to go sanjay !!

[Guest guest]

Sanjay,

 

Somehow I have never understood the idea of

destruction of ego or not having anger in totality ...

 

 

it sounds good and desirable to hear them .. but in

everyday life knowing really sinks when we need to

actually implement it in the heat of the moment ...

 

Nice thoughts those ... However many questions come to

my mind ...

 

Howevaer I have a strong belief that irrespective of

our current state of evolution we are all collectively

moving towards the same goal .. and I hope there will

be a day when I do realise the true meaning of "Aham

brahmasmi" as you mention it ... till then I should

submit to god as beign different from me and

protecting me with his benevolence like as u say a

father looks over his child !! ...

 

Surya.

 

--- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology

wrote:

> Dear Surya:

>

> Just tuning in from southern california. Very nice

> thoughts..

>

> > What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham

> brahmansmi"

> > without caring to clear the layers of delusion as

> you

> > say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's

> like

> > Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that

> he is

> > the real Krishna !!! ...

> > I just want to caution that it's possible that you

> > know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if

> you

> > give the same tool into the hand of someone who is

> not

> > evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his

> > actions rather than to understand the actual

> > implication ... that's what we should endevor to

> gaurd

> > against ...

>

> Yes. There is an eternal principle behind the mind,

> from which ego

> arises and which observes ego all the time. We

> should identify

> ourselves with That. That pure "I" - awareness has

> no appendages.

> That is the supreme Truth, and that is the right

> kind of "I" -

> awareness. The Vedas point to the pure "I" -

> awareness, the "I" -

> awareness which is free of all identifications, and

> they have

> sanctioned it.

>

> The sanction in the Vedic dictum "AHAM BRAHMASMI",

> "I am the highest

> Being". So we should change the direction of our

> Ego. We should have

> the Ego of "I am Consciousness, I am God, I am pure,

> I am all

> pervasive". That kind of ego is perfectly valid.

> When the ego is

> obliterated, our personality is not obliterated. For

> instance, if

> there is a person who gets angry, but his anger

> leaves him, what

> makes us think that his personality leaves him? In

> the same way, if

> a person's ego leaves him, what makes us think that

> his personality

> leaves him? :-). His personality will remain.

>

> Once the ego leaves, then what is left is the inner

> Self.

>

> > Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the

> > conscious mind and intellect ... a state of

> samadhi

> > which is the ultimate feeling !!!

>

> When we absorbed in God, there is no seeing and no

> being seen.

>

> The real question is "How long will it take to get

> rid of our ego?".

> It is very stubborn.

>

> The answer through my understanding is : As much

> time as it takes

> for us to snap our fingers. The ego is not holding

> us. We are

> holding it. Once a man went to see King Janaka. He

> found Janaka

> standing under a tree. He had put his elbow on a

> branch, and he was

> resting his head on his hand, thinking about

> something. The man

> asked, "You are Janaka, you are a great king. Not

> only that, you

> have risen above body-consciousness. I want your

> help to discard my

> ego." Janaka stood there with his arm around the

> branch and

> said , "Brother, just wait. I will answer your

> question when this

> branch lets me go."

>

> "But the branch is not holding you", the man said.

> "You are holding

> that branch".

>

> "You are in the same situation," said Janaka. "It is

> you who are

> holding onto your ego. You have made ego your friend

> and you dont

> want to let go of it. Now all you have to do is let

> go of it and you

> will be free".

>

> Om Tat Sat.

>

> --Sanjay Aggarwal

>

>

>

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Sanjay,

> >

> > I agree to the extent that by constantly

> reinforcing

> > the feeling within ourselves helps us get closer

> to

> > god .. there is no doubt about it ... but I

> somehow

> > feel a guiding hand in the form of a guru is very

> > necessary to hold us from agressively making us

> more

> > egoistic ...

> >

> > What I dont agree with is asserting "Aham

> brahmansmi"

> > without caring to clear the layers of delusion as

> you

> > say, that cover us all thru our lives ... it's

> like

> > Paundraka vasu deva challenging Sri krishna that

> he is

> > the real Krishna !!! ...

> >

> > I believe regular sadhana and constantly reminding

> > ourselves that we are one with the source and one

> with

> > every living being on earth really does help

> otherwise

> > !!

> >

> > I just want to caution that it's possible that you

> > know the implication of "aham brahmasmi" but if

> you

> > give the same tool into the hand of someone who is

> not

> > evolved enough ... he will use it to justify his

> > actions rather than to understand the actual

> > implication ... that's what we should endevor to

> gaurd

> > against ...

> >

> > Otherwise it's very difficult to go beyond the

> > conscious mind and intellect ... a state of

> samadhi

> > which is the ultimate feeling !!!

> >

> > It's good to see you being so confidant of the

> fact

> > ... it surely shows that you have been born to

> evolve

> > ... sadly I must admit .. I am still in the mire

> of

> > the intellect and my desires ,...

> >

> > Way to go sanjay !!

> >

> > Surya.

> >

> >

> > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Surya :

> > >

> > > Some more thoughts...

> > >

> > > Remember, the second we change our

> Understanding, we

> > > start to move

> > > into that state.

> > >

> > > I live in the state of my own Understanding.

> > > Everybody exists in the

> > > state of his or her Understanding, and whatever

> > > state of

> > > Understanding we live in, so we become.

> > >

> > > Whatever is inside you is inside Me, and

> whatever is

> > > inside me is

> > > inside you. So what is the difference? The only

> > > difference is in the

> > > Understanding. Some people think they lost it.

> > > Others think they Got

> > > it. When we all get IT, we develop the right

> > > Understanding and we

> > > can perceive everything within OurSelf.

> > >

>

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