Guest guest Posted May 7, 2004 Report Share Posted May 7, 2004 Dear Surya: Very nice experiences :-). > I once felt a very vibrant light descend into my > vision when I was doing gayathri mantra .. >... and suddenly there was a > huge spinning light that appeared and gave me a jolt > back into reality ... I never understood the > significance of this .. The inner kingdom of the Self is the same for everybody. Inside, there are different colored lights. They are brilliant and the same for everybody. If we meditate systematically, then we will see them. The inner Self contains infinite light. It is only because its light exists that there is radiance in a human being, that we feel interest in others. The experience of all realized beings are the same. However each one of them describes their experiences in thier own way. Jagadguru Shankaracharya said " The Shaivites call him Shiva. The Vedantins call him Brahman. People who follow the path of devotion see Him as the object of devotion. people who follow rituals believe that He is the giver of the fruits of their rituals So everybody describes the same One in many different ways. Nonetheless, He is only one throughout all the three worlds, and it is He who manipulates everything". Every person experiences the same state, the same God. He dwells within all equally. He is all-pervasive. So everybody has the same experience of Him. The Lord himself said to Arjuna, "O Arjuna, understand that only He has the vision to see Me who becomes aware that the creation, sustenance and dissolution of this entire universe takes place within Me". > There was one more time when I was travelling in a bus > to hyderabad and suddenly a extrodinarliy beautiful > image of lord krishna appeared into my vision which > was followed by a intense un explainable joy wehre I > was feeling one with everything around me ... this > lasted for about 3 hours .. and the next day I was > told by my dad that the previous day was Janmastami > !!! something I had forgotten !!! again I dont know > what to make of this experience either ... because I > love Lord Krishna a lot yet dont think I am great > enough to have his visions !! :-). The lila of Krishna, the dear enchanter, the sweet lover is just this: We lost ourselves completely; We knew not who we were. Radha was so devoted to Krishna that she thought of nothing else. Finally she became so immersed in Krishna and began to ask her friends , "Where is Radha?". She had lost herself completely in love. In the same way, we must lose ourself in the Self. When we become One with the inner love, that love will saturate the entire being and we ourselves will become the embodiment of Love. Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. OM TAT SAT. --Sanjay Aggarwal Group: jyotish_tat_sat , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Have you had any specific experiences to share > sanjay??? I would love to know !! > > I once felt a very vibrant light descend into my > vision when I was doing gayathri mantra .. this was > after I think repeating the mantra over a 1000 times > ... at which point I experienced a total stillness and > blankness in my mind ... I thik at that point I > stopped repeting the mantra and was surely not asleep > as I recollected later ... and suddenly there was a > huge spinning light that appeared and gave me a jolt > back into reality ... I never understood the > significance of this .. and I always wanted to wait to > ask my guru about the same when he came into my life > .... > > There was one more time when I was travelling in a bus > to hyderabad and suddenly a extrodinarliy beautiful > image of lord krishna appeared into my vision which > was followed by a intense un explainable joy wehre I > was feeling one with everything around me ... this > lasted for about 3 hours .. and the next day I was > told by my dad that the previous day was Janmastami > !!! something I had forgotten !!! again I dont know > what to make of this experience either ... because I > love Lord Krishna a lot yet dont think I am great > enough to have his visions !! > > there are other instances as well ... however these > are the two highlights of my feeling !! > > Cheers ! > > > > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > wrote: > > Dear Ajith Bhai: > > > > >The goal of Mantra is always the vision of the > > Ishta and > > >for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. > > > > Beautiful Indeed.... > > > > Some more additions from my side. > > > > Worshipping God a thousand times is as good as > > repeating a hymn > > once. Repeating a thousand hymns is equal to one > > repetition of the > > Mantra. Repeating the Mantra a million times is > > equal to one moment > > of stillness in good meditation. Meditating a > > million times is equal > > to one total merging in the Self. Therefore, the > > scriptures say "To > > lose onself in the Self is the true repetition of > > the Mantra". There > > is no greater deity than the Self. There is no > > greater worship than > > the worship of the Inner Self. A person should > > consider his own > > inner Self the Deity and should remain in this > > natural state all the > > time. > > > > For the mind to observe silence is the true "JAPA", > > the true mantra > > repetition. > > > > As the mind contemplates continuously, it stops. > > Pursue whatever is > > left. That is the ATTAINMENT. > > > > Om Tat Sat. > > > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > > > > jyotish_tat_sat > > saggarwal_4 > > > > > > , ajith@o... > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Surya, > > > > > > I read ur post with interest, however i am > > perplexed by ur > > comments. > > > " Mantras on the other hand are a totally > > different concept ... so > > is doing > > > punya .. because both of these will only lead us > > to a point where > > we have > > > to discard both of them to destroy karma .. > > > > > > Mantras are specifically driven for a purpose ... > > they are not > > wrong either > > > .. however they are not the ultimate aim either !! > > > > > > Millions of pious Hindus and buddhists chant some > > sort of Mantra. > > > I think you fail to understand the power of > > mantras. The Vedas > > extol the > > > use of Mantras, Sankaras' bhaja Govindam speak of > > power of Mantras > > as does > > > the Srimad Bhagavadam and numerous other > > scriptures. Mantras lead > > us to > > > the object of attraction, ie we get what we call > > forth. In that > > aspect > > > great bhaktas like Chiatanya had recommended > > Mantras as devotional > > tools. > > > Where did u get this notion that one has to > > discard Mantras to > > destroy > > > Karma. On the other hand Mantras are used to > > destroy attachement > > and the > > > resultant Karma. The goal of Mantra is always the > > vision of the > > Ishta and > > > for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. Is > > there a state > > beyond > > > that, the Vedanta as espoused by Sankara says > > there is, that of > > Nirguna > > > Brahman, but then it is the Ishtas role to guide > > the devotee > > there. I do > > > not know abt others, but i am still trying to > > realise my Ishta. > > > > > > Reg > > > > > > Ajith > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K. 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Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Incidentally one of the meaning of Krishna is attraction ... he attracts you to himself automatically should you care to look at him once!! Thanks for your comments !! --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology wrote: > Dear Surya: > > Very nice experiences :-). > > > I once felt a very vibrant light descend into my > > vision when I was doing gayathri mantra .. > >... and suddenly there was a > > huge spinning light that appeared and gave me a > jolt > > back into reality ... I never understood the > > significance of this .. > > > The inner kingdom of the Self is the same for > everybody. Inside, > there are different colored lights. They are > brilliant and the same > for everybody. If we meditate systematically, then > we will see them. > The inner Self contains infinite light. It is only > because its light > exists that there is radiance in a human being, that > we feel > interest in others. > > The experience of all realized beings are the same. > However each one > of them describes their experiences in thier own > way. Jagadguru > Shankaracharya said " The Shaivites call him Shiva. > The Vedantins > call him Brahman. People who follow the path of > devotion see Him as > the object of devotion. people who follow rituals > believe that He is > the giver of the fruits of their rituals So > everybody describes the > same One in many different ways. Nonetheless, He is > only one > throughout all the three worlds, and it is He who > manipulates > everything". Every person experiences the same > state, the same God. > He dwells within all equally. He is all-pervasive. > So everybody has > the same experience of Him. > > The Lord himself said to Arjuna, "O Arjuna, > understand that only He > has the vision to see Me who becomes aware that the > creation, > sustenance and dissolution of this entire universe > takes place > within Me". > > > There was one more time when I was travelling in a > bus > > to hyderabad and suddenly a extrodinarliy > beautiful > > image of lord krishna appeared into my vision > which > > was followed by a intense un explainable joy wehre > I > > was feeling one with everything around me ... this > > lasted for about 3 hours .. and the next day I was > > told by my dad that the previous day was > Janmastami > > !!! something I had forgotten !!! again I dont > know > > what to make of this experience either ... because > I > > love Lord Krishna a lot yet dont think I am great > > enough to have his visions !! > > :-). > > The lila of Krishna, the dear enchanter, the sweet > lover is just > this: > > We lost ourselves completely; > We knew not who we were. > > Radha was so devoted to Krishna that she thought of > nothing else. > Finally she became so immersed in Krishna and began > to ask her > friends , "Where is Radha?". She had lost herself > completely in > love. In the same way, we must lose ourself in the > Self. When we > become One with the inner love, that love will > saturate the entire > being and we ourselves will become the embodiment of > Love. > > Om Shanti Shanti Shanti. > > OM TAT SAT. > > --Sanjay Aggarwal > Group: > jyotish_tat_sat > > > > > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Have you had any specific experiences to share > > sanjay??? I would love to know !! > > > > I once felt a very vibrant light descend into my > > vision when I was doing gayathri mantra .. this > was > > after I think repeating the mantra over a 1000 > times > > ... at which point I experienced a total stillness > and > > blankness in my mind ... I thik at that point I > > stopped repeting the mantra and was surely not > asleep > > as I recollected later ... and suddenly there was > a > > huge spinning light that appeared and gave me a > jolt > > back into reality ... I never understood the > > significance of this .. and I always wanted to > wait to > > ask my guru about the same when he came into my > life > > .... > > > > There was one more time when I was travelling in a > bus > > to hyderabad and suddenly a extrodinarliy > beautiful > > image of lord krishna appeared into my vision > which > > was followed by a intense un explainable joy wehre > I > > was feeling one with everything around me ... this > > lasted for about 3 hours .. and the next day I was > > told by my dad that the previous day was > Janmastami > > !!! something I had forgotten !!! again I dont > know > > what to make of this experience either ... because > I > > love Lord Krishna a lot yet dont think I am great > > enough to have his visions !! > > > > there are other instances as well ... however > these > > are the two highlights of my feeling !! > > > > Cheers ! > > > > > > > > > > --- sanjaytechnology <sanjaytechnology> > > wrote: > > > Dear Ajith Bhai: > > > > > > >The goal of Mantra is always the vision of the > > > Ishta and > > > >for a lot of devotees that is the ultimate aim. > > > > > > > Beautiful Indeed.... > > > > > > Some more additions from my side. > > > > > > Worshipping God a thousand times is as good as > > > repeating a hymn > > > once. Repeating a thousand hymns is equal to one > > > repetition of the > > > Mantra. Repeating the Mantra a million times is > > > equal to one moment > > > of stillness in good meditation. Meditating a > > > million times is equal > > > to one total merging in the Self. Therefore, the > > > scriptures say "To > > > lose onself in the Self is the true repetition > of > > > the Mantra". There > > > is no greater deity than the Self. There is no > > > greater worship than > > > the worship of the Inner Self. A person should > > > consider his own > > > inner Self the Deity and should remain in this > > > natural state all the > > > time. > > > > > > For the mind to observe silence is the true > "JAPA", > > > the true mantra > > > repetition. > === message truncated === Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2004 Report Share Posted May 10, 2004 Dear Surya, > Incidentally one of the meaning of Krishna is > attraction ... he attracts you to himself > automatically should you care to look at him once!! For quite some time, when very young, I was believed to be very "dumb". Doctors thought that I was an autistic child. To the point that my caring parents brought me one day to see a neurologist ) I remember, amongst so many experiences, the pleasure I had to walk in the woods (specially in autumn when the ground was cover with leaves of a beautiful bright golden yellow color). But after sometimes my walking was getting slower and slower till I could'nt walk anymore and had to stop and stay there, ecstatic, merged in Pure Being, lost to the world. Yes you can speak about Krishna's power of attraction ) You just can't resist when you feel His calling... He is the Ocean that extinguish and satisfy the greatest thirst... The poverty of relative life is that it cannot express the absolute. So the intellect is using the "point of views" to express many facets of the Inexpressible... they can be every so often completely opposite and still aspects of the same Truth. By example some upanishads said that the world is born out of "fear", others said that it is born out of the rapture of love. Both are perfectly true!!! Different point of views to feed our poor limited intellect. When we speak about Shani we have a feeling of austerity. So we think that the inward flow of the mind toward Pure Consciousness (Dhyan or Deep Meditation) should be austere, without much notion of joy or pleasantness... and in a way this is right as we can use to describe some aspect of meditation in terms of ... "One should sit in meditation prepared to lose everything. When consciousness of outside objects begins to be lost, one should not begin to mourn its loss. We do not analyze, we do not expect anything, one should be innocent as a child. When one starts meditation, one should not try to hang on to anything. With a free mind one should be dead to the world"... Those words are a perfect description of what some aspects of Shani are, or the inward flow leading to Turiya Chetana. But when one practice or experience Dhyan (the experience of the mind flowing towards the Bliss of Pure Consciousness) the description is felt very differently... And, as you said Surya, we can describe this experience in term of "attraction", irresistible attraction! But I will add one more delightful aspect expressed by the fascinating music of Gopal's Divine Flute... and that is "Increasing Charm". As you get nearer to the experience of Pure Consciousness, the charm of the experience deepen and your desire grows more and more to be One with the Lord... this is a Natural process... you can't escape ) When one feels the attraction, the irresistible call of Gopal's Flute, we are lost to the world because NOTHING in the world is bringing to the mind a comparable pleasure, such a delightful ecstasy... Even the sweet binding influence of maternal love was not enough to stop Gopis to answer the call of the Absolute Bliss of the Lord... So this is the reality of Shani seen from a relative standpoint (austerity, detachment from the binding influence of the world, etc...) and the reality of Shani seen from the inner experience of divine attraction (increasing charm, ecstasy and bliss of Pure Consciousness). They are both the same aspect seen under opposite facets. But we should not forget that Jyotish is the Science of "the best of Lights"... the Light of Pure Consciousness and then, that Jyotish should always been analysed under a "vedantic" angle as Vedanta is the Science of the Soul... The prerequisite for a Jyotishi is to develop the experience of Pure Consciousness in his own life. So there is malefics and benefics Grahas, Benefic and Malific Bhavas etc..., but foremost there is Bliss and Bliss and Bliss at the core of all This ) Very Best Regards Jean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2004 Report Share Posted May 11, 2004 Jean, I read and re read this mail ... I can synch with what you have written ... and it all sits so beautifully into the scheme of things ... Indian Literature has given us so many reasons to learn this simple truth that everything is actually the same aspect of two seemingly opposite facets .. There is Saraswathi the godess of purity, in her resplindent whites ... then there is her own form, the Dark Matangi who is an outcaste in feeding on the leftovers ... both representing the same aspect of transcendental reality that must be reached through two different modes of consciousness .. one through purity same and one through a mode of what is generally treated as outcaste in normal society ... The key being calling Matangi the "Ucchista chandali" ... ucchista standing for leftovers ... which in a spiritual sense also means the leftover after casting off all that is not pure !! Thanks for this beautiful mail ... it's so simple to love everything else when you start loving god !!! --- Jean CLEMENT <tashrif wrote: > Dear Surya, > > > Incidentally one of the meaning of Krishna is > > attraction ... he attracts you to himself > > automatically should you care to look at him > once!! > > For quite some time, when very young, I was believed > to be very "dumb". > Doctors thought that I was an autistic child. To the > point that my caring > parents brought me one day to see a neurologist ) > > I remember, amongst so many experiences, the > pleasure I had to walk in the > woods (specially in autumn when the ground was cover > with leaves of a > beautiful bright golden yellow color). But after > sometimes my walking was > getting slower and slower till I could'nt walk > anymore and had to stop and > stay there, ecstatic, merged in Pure Being, lost to > the world. Yes you can > speak about Krishna's power of attraction ) You > just can't resist when you > feel His calling... He is the Ocean that extinguish > and satisfy the greatest > thirst... > > The poverty of relative life is that it cannot > express the absolute. So the > intellect is using the "point of views" to express > many facets of the > Inexpressible... they can be every so often > completely opposite and still > aspects of the same Truth. > > By example some upanishads said that the world is > born out of "fear", others > said that it is born out of the rapture of love. > Both are perfectly true!!! > Different point of views to feed our poor limited > intellect. > > When we speak about Shani we have a feeling of > austerity. So we think that > the inward flow of the mind toward Pure > Consciousness (Dhyan or Deep > Meditation) should be austere, without much notion > of joy or pleasantness... > and in a way this is right as we can use to describe > some aspect of > meditation in terms of ... "One should sit in > meditation prepared to lose > everything. When consciousness of outside objects > begins to be lost, one > should not begin to mourn its loss. We do not > analyze, we do not expect > anything, one should be innocent as a child. When > one starts meditation, one > should not try to hang on to anything. With a free > mind one should be dead > to the world"... > > Those words are a perfect description of what some > aspects of Shani are, or > the inward flow leading to Turiya Chetana. But when > one practice or > experience Dhyan (the experience of the mind flowing > towards the Bliss of > Pure Consciousness) the description is felt very > differently... And, as you > said Surya, we can describe this experience in term > of "attraction", > irresistible attraction! But I will add one more > delightful aspect expressed > by the fascinating music of Gopal's Divine Flute... > and that is "Increasing > Charm". > > As you get nearer to the experience of Pure > Consciousness, the charm of the > experience deepen and your desire grows more and > more to be One with the > Lord... this is a Natural process... you can't > escape ) > > When one feels the attraction, the irresistible call > of Gopal's Flute, we > are lost to the world because NOTHING in the world > is bringing to the mind a > comparable pleasure, such a delightful ecstasy... > Even the sweet binding > influence of maternal love was not enough to stop > Gopis to answer the call > of the Absolute Bliss of the Lord... > > So this is the reality of Shani seen from a relative > standpoint (austerity, > detachment from the binding influence of the world, > etc...) and the reality > of Shani seen from the inner experience of divine > attraction (increasing > charm, ecstasy and bliss of Pure Consciousness). > They are both the same > aspect seen under opposite facets. > > But we should not forget that Jyotish is the Science > of "the best of > Lights"... the Light of Pure Consciousness and then, > that Jyotish should > always been analysed under a "vedantic" angle as > Vedanta is the Science of > the Soul... The prerequisite for a Jyotishi is to > develop the experience of > Pure Consciousness in his own life. So there is > malefics and benefics > Grahas, Benefic and Malific Bhavas etc..., but > foremost there is Bliss and > Bliss and Bliss at the core of all This ) > > Very Best Regards > Jean > > > Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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