To Mark:Moderators and Members : Boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

[Guest guest]

Dear Mark,

 

Excellent article. I too bow to the Guru and I agree that one should

show respect to HIM. It is although a personal view that I bow also

to the Guru in ME. And Mark all Gurus also have a LEARNER in HIM/HER.

 

However, that is not my question. My question is a student has shown

disrespect to his/her Guru. The Guru has always taught that the

student should NEVER show disrespect to ANYONE. In such a situation

will the GURU PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THE STUDENT, thereby DEFYING HIS OWN

NORMS.

 

THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!

 

THEN WHY THIS HYPOCRISY OF PREACHING TO RESPECT OTHERS!!! DOESN'T A

DISRESPECTFUL STUDENT FALL UNDER THE "OTHERS" CATEGORY???????????????

 

I hope I could convey my idea!!

 

Regards,

 

Souvik

, Mark Kincaid

<m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> There's this beautiful tradition both in the West and the East...

>

> that we 'respect' each other...

>

> In the West, the student approaches the teacher, with apple in

hand...

> and in the East...

>

> the student bows down and prostrates oneself...in front of his

teacher...

>

> As a professional teacher for many years, I'm aware of the delicate

> relationship that exists between someone who wishes to learn...and

those

> who can teach....

>

> One Guru in India in fact has said: "when a student approaches the

teacher,

> respectfully, his behavior....can have the effect of inspiring the

teacher,

> to rise high in waves of inspiration for his teaching as a result."

>

> Yogananda's teacher, Shri Yuketeswar, once said of one of his

disciples,

> students, who did not do what his teacher, Guru, recomeneded....

> said:

>

> "the world now is his Guru"...

>

> So, if we're going to be students and teachers to each other, I'd

suggest we

> follow this wonderful guide line for interaction....

>

> I personally, don't mind a doubting or skeptical person or student.

>

> What bothers me is someone who's cruel, or especially negative,

that effects

> everyone with their attitude....

>

> Especially, since we at 'jyotish remedies' are researching the very

> important role in how we can literally transform...our Jyotish into

a more

> beneficial, benefic, even sattvic situation...

>

> I don't think it's too much to ask for this kind of respect Tanvir

mentions.

>

> I personally, would leave it up to the Moderator, owner, as it is

his

> intention that we are following....

>

> Jai Guru!

>

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

>

>

>

> > "OM" <explore_vulcan>

> >

> > Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:34 -0000

> >

> > To the Moderators and Members : Boundaries of

Jyotish Remedies,

> > the

> >

> > Hi Moderators and Members,

> >

> > A very sensitive issue has been put forward by Tanvir, the owner

of

> > JR. The issue of the boundaries of Jyotish Remedies, the

Group.

> >

> > I would like to put forward my views on this subject:

> >

> > The introduction page:

> > This '' discussion list is owned by me, Tanvir

> > Chowdhury. This list of Vedic Astrology is a platform for both

> > beginners and experts to discuss on chart analysis, remedial

measures

> > and all other related topics.

> > '' list is to ensure a friendly, respectful sphere

> > for a free exchange of ideas and thoughts. Please put your

opinion in

> > a gentle and polite manner so that it does not disrespect anyone.

> >

> >

> > I would express my concern as a member of this group to two

phrases

> > of this introduction page:

> > 1. "related topics"

> > 2. "does not disrespect anyone"

> >

> > 1. Jyotish Remedies is related to Jyotish and Jyotish is related

to

> > Time. Every occurance in the world is related to time and hence

> > jyotish. So I would request a boundary to this "relation".

> >

> > 2. I absolutely agree with this part but here to I post a

question.

> > What is disrespect? Is it stating truth in an unacceptable way

(which

> > may be taken as a disrespect to someone) or being hypocrite

enough to

> > shun away the burnt side of the face (which may be considered

> > respectful for some).

> >

> > I have something more to state. This with reference to a mail by a

> > member with subject line "Sonia maid in UK....".

> >

> > This was a political mail. This mail showed disrespect to an

> > individual. Agreed on all these points.

> >

> > BUT the FACT remains that MANY MEMBERS not only read the mail but

> > also DIDNOT REFRAIN FROM Publicly CRTICISING the MAIL and THE MAIL

> > POSTER. If one sees the chain of mails, one need not think twice

that

> > it was not a astro group but a political one. MEMBERS responded,

and

> > THEY DID SO WITH ENERGY.

> >

> > My question is that WHY WAS DISRESPECT SHOWN TO THE

MEMBER???????????

> > SONIA GANDHI IS NOT A MEMBER OF THIS GROUP BUT THE MESSAGE POSTER

OF

> > THE MESSAGE IS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> >

> > Even the moderator PUBLICLY DECLARED THAT THE CONCERNED PERSON'S

MAIL

> > WOULD BE SCANNED!!!! I NOW PUBLICLY QUESTION HIM THAT DID HE (THE

> > MODERATOR) NOT DEFY HIS OWN RULES.......???????

> >

> > Why could not the mail be ignored by the members?

> > Why did not the moderator delete the mail and correspond with the

> > concerned member to refrain from such posting PERSONALLY????

> >

> > So this means that if some member shows disrespect to someone, he

or

> > she will be PUBLICLY SHOWN DISRESPECT.

> >

> > WHY THIS HYPOCRISY???

> >

> > If this is so then please put up a RULE in the FILES Section to

refer

> > to which would state AN EYE FOR AN EYE!!!!

> >

> > Dear moderator, please revert back to some old mails in the Group

> > called JR and see the postings...DO u only find ONLY astrological

> > postings??

> >

> > Anyway, if I am KICKED OUT FROM this group for what I have written

> > and questioned, I will still have the consolation that I stood by

my

> > OWN CONVICTIONS and voiced my thoughts on something I consider the

> > TRUTH!!!!!

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Souvik

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > Links

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Souvik,

 

While I appreciate your concerns .. you should realise

that there is something called disciplin as well ...

 

Maybe what tanvir did was a little sharp .. but in a

group where there is very very little scope of

personal interaction and where you are judged only by

a few key strokes that you put in .. I do not believe

it's wrong to make an example of someone who has

stepped out of line and invited concern of others ...

 

Do you mean to say that anyone not from the group can

become an object of ridicule and everyone from within

should be soft to all the people involving in

senseless propoganda in the name of mutual respect??

 

Just like we should have ignored the mail (as you

rightly pointed out) on sonia gandhi ... I believe you

should ignore what tanvir did as well ... at least it

would have been more helpful to send a mail to tanvir

to reconsider his decision rather than to challenge

his decision ...

 

There is no hypocracy involved .. simply because I

dont beleive anyone from the list is beyond reason ..

 

What happened to your theory man??? I am still waiting

!!!! Let me defend mother earth and become a

international hero !!

 

Chill out

Surya.

 

--- OM <explore_vulcan wrote:

> Dear Mark,

>

> Excellent article. I too bow to the Guru and I agree

> that one should

> show respect to HIM. It is although a personal view

> that I bow also

> to the Guru in ME. And Mark all Gurus also have a

> LEARNER in HIM/HER.

>

> However, that is not my question. My question is a

> student has shown

> disrespect to his/her Guru. The Guru has always

> taught that the

> student should NEVER show disrespect to ANYONE. In

> such a situation

> will the GURU PUBLICLY HUMILIATE THE STUDENT,

> thereby DEFYING HIS OWN

> NORMS.

>

> THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> THEN WHY THIS HYPOCRISY OF PREACHING TO RESPECT

> OTHERS!!! DOESN'T A

> DISRESPECTFUL STUDENT FALL UNDER THE "OTHERS"

> CATEGORY???????????????

>

> I hope I could convey my idea!!

>

> Regards,

>

> Souvik

> , Mark

> Kincaid

> <m.kincaid@m...> wrote:

> > There's this beautiful tradition both in the West

> and the East...

> >

> > that we 'respect' each other...

> >

> > In the West, the student approaches the teacher,

> with apple in

> hand...

> > and in the East...

> >

> > the student bows down and prostrates oneself...in

> front of his

> teacher...

> >

> > As a professional teacher for many years, I'm

> aware of the delicate

> > relationship that exists between someone who

> wishes to learn...and

> those

> > who can teach....

> >

> > One Guru in India in fact has said: "when a

> student approaches the

> teacher,

> > respectfully, his behavior....can have the effect

> of inspiring the

> teacher,

> > to rise high in waves of inspiration for his

> teaching as a result."

> >

> > Yogananda's teacher, Shri Yuketeswar, once said of

> one of his

> disciples,

> > students, who did not do what his teacher, Guru,

> recomeneded....

> > said:

> >

> > "the world now is his Guru"...

> >

> > So, if we're going to be students and teachers to

> each other, I'd

> suggest we

> > follow this wonderful guide line for

> interaction....

> >

> > I personally, don't mind a doubting or skeptical

> person or student.

> >

> > What bothers me is someone who's cruel, or

> especially negative,

> that effects

> > everyone with their attitude....

> >

> > Especially, since we at 'jyotish remedies' are

> researching the very

> > important role in how we can literally

> transform...our Jyotish into

> a more

> > beneficial, benefic, even sattvic situation...

> >

> > I don't think it's too much to ask for this kind

> of respect Tanvir

> mentions.

> >

> > I personally, would leave it up to the Moderator,

> owner, as it is

> his

> > intention that we are following....

> >

> > Jai Guru!

> >

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > > "OM" <explore_vulcan>

> > >

> > > Wed, 19 May 2004 16:14:34 -0000

> > >

> > > To the Moderators and Members :

> Boundaries of

> Jyotish Remedies,

> > > the

> > >

> > > Hi Moderators and Members,

> > >

> > > A very sensitive issue has been put forward by

> Tanvir, the owner

> of

> > > JR. The issue of the boundaries of Jyotish

> Remedies, the

> Group.

> > >

> > > I would like to put forward my views on this

> subject:

> > >

> > > The introduction page:

> > > This '' discussion list is owned

> by me, Tanvir

> > > Chowdhury. This list of Vedic Astrology is a

> platform for both

> > > beginners and experts to discuss on chart

> analysis, remedial

> measures

> > > and all other related topics.

> > > '' list is to ensure a friendly,

> respectful sphere

> > > for a free exchange of ideas and thoughts.

> Please put your

> opinion in

> > > a gentle and polite manner so that it does not

> disrespect anyone.

> > >

> > >

> > > I would express my concern as a member of this

> group to two

> phrases

> > > of this introduction page:

> > > 1. "related topics"

> > > 2. "does not disrespect anyone"

> > >

> > > 1. Jyotish Remedies is related to Jyotish and

> Jyotish is related

> to

> > > Time. Every occurance in the world is related to

> time and hence

> > > jyotish. So I would request a boundary to this

> "relation".

> > >

> > > 2. I absolutely agree with this part but here to

> I post a

> question.

> > > What is disrespect? Is it stating truth in an

> unacceptable way

> (which

> > > may be taken as a disrespect to someone) or

> being hypocrite

> enough to

> > > shun away the burnt side of the face (which may

> be considered

> > > respectful for some).

> > >

> > > I have something more to state. This with

> reference to a mail by a

> > > member with subject line "Sonia maid in UK....".

> > >

> > > This was a political mail. This mail showed

> disrespect to an

> > > individual. Agreed on all these points.

> > >

> > > BUT the FACT remains that MANY MEMBERS not only

> read the mail but

> > > also DIDNOT REFRAIN FROM Publicly CRTICISING the

> MAIL and THE MAIL

> > > POSTER. If one sees the chain of mails, one need

> not think twice

> that

> > > it was not a astro group but a political one.

> MEMBERS responded,

> and

> > > THEY DID SO WITH ENERGY.

> > >

>

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