Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Dear Mark, I had to read, reread and reread to understand the full implications of this mail !! ... I have many views to share abotu these as well .. however these will be counter productive like a nursery kid reciting "A B C" because they will be from the intellectual level and not the experiential level .... So I will refrain from saying anything that I might find too hard to swallow .. Yet I would like to share just one strong feeling I have ... I have a small theory ... there was nothing ... there was a stir and came the creation ... in came the individual consciousness in the reflection of the original mind ... creating their own stirrs and creations ... that we call the karmas ... over a period of time these have become our prisons because of the grosser nature that we identify with ourselves .... the key is to clear these again to nothing to go back to the source !! Now .. the consciousness had the freedom to make it's stirs and creations ... and by identifying with those that were the products to be us.. we have predetermined where we should go ... To me the story of free will and fate stand there ... Surya. --- Mark Kincaid <m.kincaid wrote: > Dear Surya: > > This is perhaps the most deep, and confusing, and > even, controversial > aspects of Jyotish and of life...I can think of. > > > Life obviously has it deterministic aspects. Look > at everything, it's > following some natural order, design and plan. > > You plant a banana seed, and you're going to get a > banana tree! > > But, we also believe in freedom. > > When you look at creation, in fact, you see such a > whirlwind of galaxies and > Universes! > > It's hard to imagine all 'that' was created in a > bound, deterministic way, > though the creation itself, seems to follow many > rules, and laws of nature. > > So, it's a very confusing question determinism...and > freedom. > > We can take hope, however, because though the > obvious signs of bondage, > boundries, and laws and rules are all around us; > we do have something inside of us that seems to be > more free! > > And that is our Consciousness or Soul.... > > A good case can then, be made for this aspect of our > lives as being the > source of true freedom in life.... > > The verification of this idea or hope, can be found > in actual experience. > > When the mind, awareness, or attention, goes within, > in fact, leaving the > outside, world, we can have a direct experience of > this inner, though hidden > and abstract level of 'uncreated' life... > > When the mind, even, transcends the relative > existence...and has a direct > experience of the Unbounded field of pure > Consciousness.... > > then, we can have a pure taste of unlimited freedom! > > There are no limitations of even time and space in > this experience.... > and ..... > > funnily enough, when we come out of this state, we > find ourselves.... > > thinking more clearly, more inner awake, and even > self-confident, and more > intuitive... > > In fact, everything about our life is found better. > > So, if there's any case that can be made for a > person being able to change > their fate or karma....it might be.... > > the ability to contact...this source of all ..... > > actions, karmas, and creation.... > > > > Practical experience also shows that.... people have > the ability, to look > within,....and conquer their patterns, and bad > habits, and compulsions... > > Even Spiritually, there are those, highly evolved > souls that tell us, that > Human Life, has the potential...of complete Mastery > over creation. > > There are even, many instances, in Vedic Knowledge, > which are called, > Sidhis, or Mental Perfections, which are > representative of the potential of > Human Consciousness, to transcend...and grow beyond > not only the normal > constraints of past karmas or fate... > but also arrive at such a sublime level of Natural > freedom from which real > Mastery can be lived.... > > Some of these include such 'sidhis', as Levitation, > knowing anything at a > time, ability to go through walls, and many more. > > There are some great Indian Vedic Seers, who say > this is the real nature of > Human Beings...and is much more representative of > the true, > freedom aspect of human life..... > > Sincerely, > > > > > Mark Kincaid > > > > In my experience, also, in addition to this > Consciousness aspect, there is > the possibility to grow, more in-tune with each > Planet through Jyotish, > which may also give great freedom to change one's > karmas...and fate... > > > PS....for those of you who haven't heard, I also > write a Jyotish > newsletter. It includes a daily, Transits > newsletter as well as other > aspects > of Jyotish as well. If you, or anyone else in this > group is interested, in > subscribing, feel free to contact me personally at: > m.kincaid > > I, also have a new /message board, called > which is a nice blending of both > Western & Eastern > Astrologys. You can > check that out at: > > / > > > > > > > surya vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv > > > > Thu, 13 May 2004 04:00:48 -0700 (PDT) > > > > Re: Re: Fate of a person can be > changed....MARK,Rohiniji and > > ALL > > > > I believe in different contexts both are vaild .. > > > > We should look at things with detachment maybe > like > > watching a movie (where emotions rise and fall but > > dont shake ur ethos .. well at lesat in most > cases) .. > > > > at the same time action cannot justify itself by > mere > > supposition that nothing is in our hands !! > > > > I dont to "what happens has to happen" > > unless its a vipareet karma ... in all other > cases we > > have our own say in what has to happen I guess ... > > > > Again I feel this is a difference between reality > and > > percieved reality ... all that happens around is > > reality and surely not a movie .. however how we > > percieve it is the movie we to !! > > > > I believe god simply creates the situations that > we > > muse undergo to learn reality from the point of > view > > of our reality ... he however in most cases leaves > the > > outcome to our own actions !! > > > > > > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > >> First we would have to have an absolute > definition > >> for sin! > >> Sometimes what shows up as a sin and crime in a > >> narrow one lifetime > >> view looks differently when the full picture can > be > >> viewed. However, > >> for most of us that takes us into the realm of > >> speculations and > === message truncated === Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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