To rohiniranjan: Ishta Devata - planet exalted or debiliated???

[Guest guest]

Hi Rohiniji,

 

I came across a few messages where you have discussed Ishta

Devata ...I would like to know what happens if the plant that

signifies Ishta Devata is either exalted or debilitated??

 

I have Mars signifying Ishta Devata exalted in Capricorn (in navamsa

lagna) but a friend of mine has Mars as Ishta Devata debilitated in

Cancer (sixth house from navamsa lagna). What would be the difference?

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> Sorry about that, did not wish to tie your understanding in a knot,

> but seems like we approach astrology in different ways :-)

>

> My approach to jyotish is not devotional or ritualistic. To be

> honest and candid, I do not sincerely believe that praying makes

one

> an astrologer. It is a vidya which requires hard work, lot of

> practical experience, just like other skills. Prayer may help in

> stabilising one's mind, in gaining concentration etc., but there is

> no rambaan prayer that will replace the normal channels of learning.

>

> Rohiniranjan

>

> , "vidyut_bhatt"

> <vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Rohini Ranjan ji,

> >

> > Your answer has left me more confused.

> > You have not written anything about praying which Planet/God for

> > Trikaal Gyana in Astrology.

> >

> > Can I request Tanveer ji or Sri Niraj ji to throw more light on

> this?

> >

> > Rgds,

> > VB/HT

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Unfortunately, this is true for other things in jyotish as

well.

> > > Different people will see the same results in different

patterns

> of

> > > planets. It may be counterintuitive, because we all like to

> think

> > of

> > > jyotish as a very rigid scientific discipline where 1+1 must

=2.

> > > However, unless much of the jyotish population is unmatta, how

> can

> > > one explain the use of different ayanamshas, different dashas

or

> > > rather different combinations of dashas and yet the outcomes

are

> > > reasonably comparable (in terms of success). Each camp or

cohort

> > may

> > > think that they are the only one with the key and some publicly

> > > state so, but it is all very complex and anecdotal.

> > >

> > > Something like jyotish which describes and goes into all facets

> of

> > > human experience could not possibly fit into one or two planets

> or

> > > signs, etc. Even for something as technical as medicine or

> > > engineering, there would not be one or few combinations or a

> planet

> > > that would be the be all, end all. How can the same be expected

> of

> > > jyotish, which has so many different flavour and different ways

> of

> > > thinking and deducing. It is quite possible that different

> > jyotishis

> > > will have different leanings and skews and while some may be

> more

> > > given to listening to innersource and japam etc., others might

> like

> > > to approach the vidya in a more linear, fact-based manner.

> Mercury

> > > and mars may indicate one's comfort in a worldly, linear

> framework,

> > > jupiter may give scholarship and broad knowledge of the field

> and a

> > > great ability to apply many different techniques in a complex

> > > framework and a leaning towards teaching astrology, ketu may

> make

> > > one more intuitive, rahu may make one focused more on worldly

> > > issues, sun may give a leaning for mundane or political

> astrology,

> > > saturn may bring to the fore someone who is somewhat sceptical

> and

> > > needs that there be a very common sense approach, venus may

> bring

> > > into the field an organizer and researcher, and so on.

> > >

> > .com/offer

[Guest guest]

You are asking the wrong person :-)

I was questioning the concept of ishtadevta and how to fit so many

in so few (indicators).

 

Someone else, I forget which member it was (search through the

messages, please) who was claiming that he used the 12th from

karakamsha many many times (presumably successfully) and may have

some research/proof to share. I don't recall reading any more

details other than that. Sorry!

 

, "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar> wrote:

> Hi Rohiniji,

>

> I came across a few messages where you have discussed Ishta

> Devata ...I would like to know what happens if the plant that

> signifies Ishta Devata is either exalted or debilitated??

>

> I have Mars signifying Ishta Devata exalted in Capricorn (in

navamsa

> lagna) but a friend of mine has Mars as Ishta Devata debilitated in

> Cancer (sixth house from navamsa lagna). What would be the

difference?

>

> Thanks

>

>

>

>

> , "rohiniranjan"

<rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > Sorry about that, did not wish to tie your understanding in a

knot,

> > but seems like we approach astrology in different ways :-)

> >

> > My approach to jyotish is not devotional or ritualistic. To be

> > honest and candid, I do not sincerely believe that praying makes

> one

> > an astrologer. It is a vidya which requires hard work, lot of

> > practical experience, just like other skills. Prayer may help in

> > stabilising one's mind, in gaining concentration etc., but there

is

> > no rambaan prayer that will replace the normal channels of

learning.

> >

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> > , "vidyut_bhatt"

> > <vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello Rohini Ranjan ji,

> > >

> > > Your answer has left me more confused.

> > > You have not written anything about praying which Planet/God

for

> > > Trikaal Gyana in Astrology.

> > >

> > > Can I request Tanveer ji or Sri Niraj ji to throw more light

on

> > this?

> > >

> > > Rgds,

> > > VB/HT

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Unfortunately, this is true for other things in jyotish as

> well.

> > > > Different people will see the same results in different

> patterns

> > of

> > > > planets. It may be counterintuitive, because we all like to

> > think

> > > of

> > > > jyotish as a very rigid scientific discipline where 1+1 must

> =2.

> > > > However, unless much of the jyotish population is unmatta,

how

> > can

> > > > one explain the use of different ayanamshas, different

dashas

> or

> > > > rather different combinations of dashas and yet the outcomes

> are

> > > > reasonably comparable (in terms of success). Each camp or

> cohort

> > > may

> > > > think that they are the only one with the key and some

publicly

> > > > state so, but it is all very complex and anecdotal.

> > > >

> > > > Something like jyotish which describes and goes into all

facets

> > of

> > > > human experience could not possibly fit into one or two

planets

> > or

> > > > signs, etc. Even for something as technical as medicine or

> > > > engineering, there would not be one or few combinations or a

> > planet

> > > > that would be the be all, end all. How can the same be

expected

> > of

> > > > jyotish, which has so many different flavour and different

ways

> > of

> > > > thinking and deducing. It is quite possible that different

> > > jyotishis

> > > > will have different leanings and skews and while some may be

> > more

> > > > given to listening to innersource and japam etc., others

might

> > like

> > > > to approach the vidya in a more linear, fact-based manner.

> > Mercury

> > > > and mars may indicate one's comfort in a worldly, linear

> > framework,

> > > > jupiter may give scholarship and broad knowledge of the

field

> > and a

> > > > great ability to apply many different techniques in a

complex

> > > > framework and a leaning towards teaching astrology, ketu may

> > make

> > > > one more intuitive, rahu may make one focused more on

worldly

> > > > issues, sun may give a leaning for mundane or political

> > astrology,

> > > > saturn may bring to the fore someone who is somewhat

sceptical

> > and

> > > > needs that there be a very common sense approach, venus may

> > bring

> > > > into the field an organizer and researcher, and so on.

> > > >

> > > .com/offer

[Guest guest]

Oops! sorry for troubling u:) i've even checked the net for info and

couldn't find it...

 

, "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

wrote:

> You are asking the wrong person :-)

> I was questioning the concept of ishtadevta and how to fit so many

> in so few (indicators).

>

> Someone else, I forget which member it was (search through the

> messages, please) who was claiming that he used the 12th from

> karakamsha many many times (presumably successfully) and may have

> some research/proof to share. I don't recall reading any more

> details other than that. Sorry!

>

> , "parvatishankar"

> <parvatishankar> wrote:

> > Hi Rohiniji,

> >

> > I came across a few messages where you have discussed Ishta

> > Devata ...I would like to know what happens if the plant that

> > signifies Ishta Devata is either exalted or debilitated??

> >

> > I have Mars signifying Ishta Devata exalted in Capricorn (in

> navamsa

> > lagna) but a friend of mine has Mars as Ishta Devata debilitated

in

> > Cancer (sixth house from navamsa lagna). What would be the

> difference?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , "rohiniranjan"

> <rrgb@s...>

> > wrote:

> > > Sorry about that, did not wish to tie your understanding in a

> knot,

> > > but seems like we approach astrology in different ways :-)

> > >

> > > My approach to jyotish is not devotional or ritualistic. To be

> > > honest and candid, I do not sincerely believe that praying

makes

> > one

> > > an astrologer. It is a vidya which requires hard work, lot of

> > > practical experience, just like other skills. Prayer may help

in

> > > stabilising one's mind, in gaining concentration etc., but

there

> is

> > > no rambaan prayer that will replace the normal channels of

> learning.

> > >

> > > Rohiniranjan

> > >

> > > , "vidyut_bhatt"

> > > <vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hello Rohini Ranjan ji,

> > > >

> > > > Your answer has left me more confused.

> > > > You have not written anything about praying which Planet/God

> for

> > > > Trikaal Gyana in Astrology.

> > > >

> > > > Can I request Tanveer ji or Sri Niraj ji to throw more light

> on

> > > this?

> > > >

> > > > Rgds,

> > > > VB/HT

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > Unfortunately, this is true for other things in jyotish as

> > well.

> > > > > Different people will see the same results in different

> > patterns

> > > of

> > > > > planets. It may be counterintuitive, because we all like to

> > > think

> > > > of

> > > > > jyotish as a very rigid scientific discipline where 1+1

must

> > =2.

> > > > > However, unless much of the jyotish population is unmatta,

> how

> > > can

> > > > > one explain the use of different ayanamshas, different

> dashas

> > or

> > > > > rather different combinations of dashas and yet the

outcomes

> > are

> > > > > reasonably comparable (in terms of success). Each camp or

> > cohort

> > > > may

> > > > > think that they are the only one with the key and some

> publicly

> > > > > state so, but it is all very complex and anecdotal.

> > > > >

> > > > > Something like jyotish which describes and goes into all

> facets

> > > of

> > > > > human experience could not possibly fit into one or two

> planets

> > > or

> > > > > signs, etc. Even for something as technical as medicine or

> > > > > engineering, there would not be one or few combinations or

a

> > > planet

> > > > > that would be the be all, end all. How can the same be

> expected

> > > of

> > > > > jyotish, which has so many different flavour and different

> ways

> > > of

> > > > > thinking and deducing. It is quite possible that different

> > > > jyotishis

> > > > > will have different leanings and skews and while some may

be

> > > more

> > > > > given to listening to innersource and japam etc., others

> might

> > > like

> > > > > to approach the vidya in a more linear, fact-based manner.

> > > Mercury

> > > > > and mars may indicate one's comfort in a worldly, linear

> > > framework,

> > > > > jupiter may give scholarship and broad knowledge of the

> field

> > > and a

> > > > > great ability to apply many different techniques in a

> complex

> > > > > framework and a leaning towards teaching astrology, ketu

may

> > > make

> > > > > one more intuitive, rahu may make one focused more on

> worldly

> > > > > issues, sun may give a leaning for mundane or political

> > > astrology,

> > > > > saturn may bring to the fore someone who is somewhat

> sceptical

> > > and

> > > > > needs that there be a very common sense approach, venus may

> > > bring

> > > > > into the field an organizer and researcher, and so on.

> > > > >

> > > > .com/offer

[Guest guest]

I think someone quoted an article by Sanjay Rath. If you have his

translation of Jaimini sutras it is there early on. I gave

reference in one of my messages recently, I think it was page 48 or

49 if I remember correctly.

 

, "parvatishankar"

<parvatishankar> wrote:

> Oops! sorry for troubling u:) i've even checked the net for info and

> couldn't find it...

>

> , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...>

> wrote:

> > You are asking the wrong person :-)

> > I was questioning the concept of ishtadevta and how to fit so many

> > in so few (indicators).

> >

> > Someone else, I forget which member it was (search through the

> > messages, please) who was claiming that he used the 12th from

> > karakamsha many many times (presumably successfully) and may have

> > some research/proof to share. I don't recall reading any more

> > details other than that. Sorry!

> >

> > , "parvatishankar"

> > <parvatishankar> wrote:

> > > Hi Rohiniji,

> > >

> > > I came across a few messages where you have discussed Ishta

> > > Devata ...I would like to know what happens if the plant that

> > > signifies Ishta Devata is either exalted or debilitated??

> > >

> > > I have Mars signifying Ishta Devata exalted in Capricorn (in

> > navamsa

> > > lagna) but a friend of mine has Mars as Ishta Devata debilitated

> in

> > > Cancer (sixth house from navamsa lagna). What would be the

> > difference?

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > <rrgb@s...>

> > > wrote:

> > > > Sorry about that, did not wish to tie your understanding in a

> > knot,

> > > > but seems like we approach astrology in different ways :-)

> > > >

> > > > My approach to jyotish is not devotional or ritualistic. To be

> > > > honest and candid, I do not sincerely believe that praying

> makes

> > > one

> > > > an astrologer. It is a vidya which requires hard work, lot of

> > > > practical experience, just like other skills. Prayer may help

> in

> > > > stabilising one's mind, in gaining concentration etc., but

> there

> > is

> > > > no rambaan prayer that will replace the normal channels of

> > learning.

> > > >

> > > > Rohiniranjan

> > > >

> > > > , "vidyut_bhatt"

> > > > <vidyut_Bhatt@h...> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hello Rohini Ranjan ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Your answer has left me more confused.

> > > > > You have not written anything about praying which Planet/God

> > for

> > > > > Trikaal Gyana in Astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can I request Tanveer ji or Sri Niraj ji to throw more light

> > on

> > > > this?

> > > > >

> > > > > Rgds,

> > > > > VB/HT

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , "rohiniranjan"

> > > > <rrgb@s...>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > Unfortunately, this is true for other things in jyotish as

> > > well.

> > > > > > Different people will see the same results in different

> > > patterns

> > > > of

> > > > > > planets. It may be counterintuitive, because we all like

to

> > > > think

> > > > > of

> > > > > > jyotish as a very rigid scientific discipline where 1+1

> must

> > > =2.

> > > > > > However, unless much of the jyotish population is unmatta,

> > how

> > > > can

> > > > > > one explain the use of different ayanamshas, different

> > dashas

> > > or

> > > > > > rather different combinations of dashas and yet the

> outcomes

> > > are

> > > > > > reasonably comparable (in terms of success). Each camp or

> > > cohort

> > > > > may

> > > > > > think that they are the only one with the key and some

> > publicly

> > > > > > state so, but it is all very complex and anecdotal.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Something like jyotish which describes and goes into all

> > facets

> > > > of

> > > > > > human experience could not possibly fit into one or two

> > planets

> > > > or

> > > > > > signs, etc. Even for something as technical as medicine or

> > > > > > engineering, there would not be one or few combinations or

> a

> > > > planet

> > > > > > that would be the be all, end all. How can the same be

> > expected

> > > > of

> > > > > > jyotish, which has so many different flavour and different

> > ways

> > > > of

> > > > > > thinking and deducing. It is quite possible that different

> > > > > jyotishis

> > > > > > will have different leanings and skews and while some may

> be

> > > > more

> > > > > > given to listening to innersource and japam etc., others

> > might

> > > > like

> > > > > > to approach the vidya in a more linear, fact-based manner.

> > > > Mercury

> > > > > > and mars may indicate one's comfort in a worldly, linear

> > > > framework,

> > > > > > jupiter may give scholarship and broad knowledge of the

> > field

> > > > and a

> > > > > > great ability to apply many different techniques in a

> > complex

> > > > > > framework and a leaning towards teaching astrology, ketu

> may

> > > > make

> > > > > > one more intuitive, rahu may make one focused more on

> > worldly

> > > > > > issues, sun may give a leaning for mundane or political

> > > > astrology,

> > > > > > saturn may bring to the fore someone who is somewhat

> > sceptical

> > > > and

> > > > > > needs that there be a very common sense approach, venus

may

> > > > bring

> > > > > > into the field an organizer and researcher, and so on.

> > > > > >

> > > > > .com/offer