Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that. The level of morality decides the judgement power of a person. The courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the moral sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and that is how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling guilty whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty always is the difference that the morality of a person decides. Higher the morality level, more concious is the person about his/her wrong doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have the peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring down his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the repentance in itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? Instead, to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what is important. There is just one life that we really know we have. Let us aim to make it beautiful. Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 Dear Manoshi, Again : Jupiter is the only planet who is worried about rules --moral, legal,conventional or religious. Saturn knows no law or rules or morality. Mars is bold,action oriented, couragious. In association with Sat it becomes criminal. In association with Jupiter it enforces law or rules. Sun is spirit. Moon is mood. Mercury is changable opinion. With Jupiter it will talk of rules/morality with nice words. With Sat it can talk about how rules are useless etc. Inder -- In , "khallopapa" <khallopapa> wrote: > > Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this > topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that. > > The level of morality decides the judgement power of a person. The > courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the moral > sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and that is > how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling guilty > whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty always > is the difference that the morality of a person decides. Higher the > morality level, more concious is the person about his/her wrong > doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have the > peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring down > his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is > natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the repentance in > itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? Instead, > to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what is > important. There is just one life that we really know we have. Let > us aim to make it beautiful. > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Saturn is a planet that believes in Discipline and is a law enforcer or the policeman looking after karmaphala. Guru is both a law maker and a law bender.Guru speaks of Morality and sits on a pedestal of Ego. It has been the experience of this writer that Guru must be taken with a pinch of salt. Sani is a better philosopher and a guide. It is this planet that makes one understand what is right and wrong by awarding punishment or giving appropriate Gyana. , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > Again : > Jupiter is the only planet who is worried about rules --moral, > legal,conventional or religious. > Saturn knows no law or rules or morality. > Mars is bold,action oriented, couragious. > In association with Sat it becomes criminal. > In association with Jupiter it enforces law or rules. > Sun is spirit. > Moon is mood. > Mercury is changable opinion. With Jupiter it will talk of > rules/morality with nice words. With Sat it can talk about how rules > are useless etc. > Inder > > -- In , "khallopapa" > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this > > topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that. > > > > The level of morality decides the judgement power of a person. The > > courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the moral > > sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and that is > > how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling guilty > > whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty always > > is the difference that the morality of a person decides. Higher > the > > morality level, more concious is the person about his/her wrong > > doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have the > > peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring down > > his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is > > natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the repentance > in > > itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? Instead, > > to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what is > > important. There is just one life that we really know we have. Let > > us aim to make it beautiful. > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 I do not have much exp. to give any judgement on jupiter or Saturn.. But Based on my little exp. I can say that the do not come to conculsion that any planet is always bad or good; it depedns on the ascendant, moon sign and placement of planet ... I have been told by my gurus and from my little exp. that Whenever saturn gives it gives in quntity and when it takes something it takes everything and that is not case with Jupiter ... Jupiter placement alone is anti node of many bad yogas but saturn placement alone does/can not nullify bad yogas.... As earlier I have mentioned that i do not have much exp. i am still learning Astrology ... I even do not know 0.000001 % astrology. I might be wrong on my observation of Saturn and Jupiter... Thank You, Yogesh Shahom_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om > wrote: Saturn is a planet that believes in Discipline and is a law enforcer or the policeman looking after karmaphala.Guru is both a law maker and a law bender.Guru speaks of Morality and sits on a pedestal of Ego. It has been the experience of this writer that Guru must be taken with a pinch of salt.Sani is a better philosopher and a guide. It is this planet that makes one understand what is right and wrong by awarding punishment or giving appropriate Gyana.--- In , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote:> Dear Manoshi,> Again :> Jupiter is the only planet who is worried about rules --moral, > legal,conventional or religious.> Saturn knows no law or rules or morality.> Mars is bold,action oriented, couragious.> In association with Sat it becomes criminal.> In association with Jupiter it enforces law or rules.> Sun is spirit.> Moon is mood.> Mercury is changable opinion. With Jupiter it will talk of > rules/morality with nice words. With Sat it can talk about how rules > are useless etc.> Inder> > -- In , "khallopapa" > <khallopapa> wrote:> > > > Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this > > topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that.> > > > The level of morality decides the judgement power of a person. The > > courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the moral > > sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and that is > > how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling guilty > > whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty always > > is the difference that the morality of a person decides. Higher > the > > morality level, more concious is the person about his/her wrong > > doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have the > > peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring down > > his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is > > natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the repentance > in > > itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? Instead, > > to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what is > > important. There is just one life that we really know we have. Let > > us aim to make it beautiful.> > > > Manoshi~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Dear, Sat in association with (aspect,conjunction, star posting etc) Jup or Sun becomes philospher or Yogi etc. Otherwise its real nature is secretive, selfish, no rules,cold, barren,dry, lazy ..etc.etc. In , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > Saturn is a planet that believes in Discipline and is a law enforcer > or the policeman looking after karmaphala. > > Guru is both a law maker and a law bender.Guru speaks of Morality and > sits on a pedestal of Ego. It has been the experience of this writer > that Guru must be taken with a pinch of salt. > > Sani is a better philosopher and a guide. It is this planet that > makes one understand what is right and wrong by awarding punishment > or giving appropriate Gyana. > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > Again : > > Jupiter is the only planet who is worried about rules --moral, > > legal,conventional or religious. > > Saturn knows no law or rules or morality. > > Mars is bold,action oriented, couragious. > > In association with Sat it becomes criminal. > > In association with Jupiter it enforces law or rules. > > Sun is spirit. > > Moon is mood. > > Mercury is changable opinion. With Jupiter it will talk of > > rules/morality with nice words. With Sat it can talk about how > rules > > are useless etc. > > Inder > > > > -- In , "khallopapa" > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this > > > topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that. > > > > > > The level of morality decides the judgement power of a person. > The > > > courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the moral > > > sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and that is > > > how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling guilty > > > whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty > always > > > is the difference that the morality of a person decides. Higher > > the > > > morality level, more concious is the person about his/her wrong > > > doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have the > > > peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring down > > > his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is > > > natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the repentance > > in > > > itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? > Instead, > > > to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what is > > > important. There is just one life that we really know we have. > Let > > > us aim to make it beautiful. > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Tunde, Tunde Matirbhinna !!!! Tatvam-Asi , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear, > Sat in association with (aspect,conjunction, star posting etc) Jup > or Sun becomes philospher or Yogi etc. Otherwise its real nature is > secretive, selfish, no rules,cold, barren,dry, lazy ..etc.etc. > > In , "om_tatsat_om" > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > Saturn is a planet that believes in Discipline and is a law > enforcer > > or the policeman looking after karmaphala. > > > > Guru is both a law maker and a law bender.Guru speaks of Morality > and > > sits on a pedestal of Ego. It has been the experience of this > writer > > that Guru must be taken with a pinch of salt. > > > > Sani is a better philosopher and a guide. It is this planet that > > makes one understand what is right and wrong by awarding > punishment > > or giving appropriate Gyana. > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > Again : > > > Jupiter is the only planet who is worried about rules --moral, > > > legal,conventional or religious. > > > Saturn knows no law or rules or morality. > > > Mars is bold,action oriented, couragious. > > > In association with Sat it becomes criminal. > > > In association with Jupiter it enforces law or rules. > > > Sun is spirit. > > > Moon is mood. > > > Mercury is changable opinion. With Jupiter it will talk of > > > rules/morality with nice words. With Sat it can talk about how > > rules > > > are useless etc. > > > Inder > > > > > > -- In , "khallopapa" > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this > > > > topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that. > > > > > > > > The level of morality decides the judgement power of a person. > > The > > > > courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the > moral > > > > sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and that > is > > > > how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling > guilty > > > > whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty > > always > > > > is the difference that the morality of a person decides. > Higher > > > the > > > > morality level, more concious is the person about his/her > wrong > > > > doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have > the > > > > peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring > down > > > > his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is > > > > natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the > repentance > > > in > > > > itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? > > Instead, > > > > to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what > is > > > > important. There is just one life that we really know we have. > > Let > > > > us aim to make it beautiful. > > > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 What does it mean, dear? , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > Tunde, Tunde Matirbhinna !!!! > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > , "Inder" > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > Dear, > > Sat in association with (aspect,conjunction, star posting etc) Jup > > or Sun becomes philospher or Yogi etc. Otherwise its real nature is > > secretive, selfish, no rules,cold, barren,dry, lazy ..etc.etc. > > > > In , "om_tatsat_om" > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > Saturn is a planet that believes in Discipline and is a law > > enforcer > > > or the policeman looking after karmaphala. > > > > > > Guru is both a law maker and a law bender.Guru speaks of Morality > > and > > > sits on a pedestal of Ego. It has been the experience of this > > writer > > > that Guru must be taken with a pinch of salt. > > > > > > Sani is a better philosopher and a guide. It is this planet that > > > makes one understand what is right and wrong by awarding > > punishment > > > or giving appropriate Gyana. > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Inder" > > > <indervohra2001> wrote: > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > Again : > > > > Jupiter is the only planet who is worried about rules -- moral, > > > > legal,conventional or religious. > > > > Saturn knows no law or rules or morality. > > > > Mars is bold,action oriented, couragious. > > > > In association with Sat it becomes criminal. > > > > In association with Jupiter it enforces law or rules. > > > > Sun is spirit. > > > > Moon is mood. > > > > Mercury is changable opinion. With Jupiter it will talk of > > > > rules/morality with nice words. With Sat it can talk about how > > > rules > > > > are useless etc. > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > -- In , "khallopapa" > > > > <khallopapa> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Based on a few observations , I am trying to write on this > > > > > topic.There may be different opinions and I respect that. > > > > > > > > > > The level of morality decides the judgement power of a > person. > > > The > > > > > courage to do wrong without feeling guilty depends on the > > moral > > > > > sense of the person. World is made up of good and bad and > that > > is > > > > > how it is balanced. Doing wrong knowingly and not feeling > > guilty > > > > > whereas committing a mistake unknowingly and feeling guilty > > > always > > > > > is the difference that the morality of a person decides. > > Higher > > > > the > > > > > morality level, more concious is the person about his/her > > wrong > > > > > doings. But paradoxically, these are the people who dont have > > the > > > > > peace of mind and are unhappy. So, should one try to bring > > down > > > > > his/her morality level? This is not possible. Moral sense is > > > > > natural, inborn. Actually to realize the fault is the > > repentance > > > > in > > > > > itself. Why to think about the mistakes done in the past? > > > Instead, > > > > > to rectify the faults and not repeating the mistakes is what > > is > > > > > important. There is just one life that we really know we > have. > > > Let > > > > > us aim to make it beautiful. > > > > > > > > > > Manoshi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Atmasnehi Sri Indra, each head, has different idea/thoughts Tatvam-Asi (The Apabhrunsha in your name has been removed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 I am no sanskrit scholar but isn't it Munde munde matibhinna? I thought tunde refers to Sri Ganeshji's trunk (or an elephant's trunk). I could be wrong though having always cut sanskrit classes in favour of something else ;-)! , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > Atmasnehi Sri Indra, > each head, has different idea/thoughts > > Tatvam-Asi > > (The Apabhrunsha in your name has been removed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 You might be right but this beings Samskrit Guru used to recite this shubhashita with Tunde Tunde... The following is actual one. piNDe piNDe matirbhinnA kuNDe kuNDe nava.n payaH | jAtau jAtau navAchArAH navA vANI mukhe mukhe ||37|| Tatvam-Asi , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I am no sanskrit scholar but isn't it > > Munde munde matibhinna? > > I thought tunde refers to Sri Ganeshji's trunk (or an elephant's > trunk). I could be wrong though having always cut sanskrit classes > in favour of something else ;-)! > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > Atmasnehi Sri Indra, > > each head, has different idea/thoughts > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > (The Apabhrunsha in your name has been removed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Actually at least one internet site (the purest way to learn sanskrit ;-) just kidding!) indicates that tunde also mean 'tongue' so it makes sense since different tongues would express different opinions. , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > You might be right but this beings Samskrit Guru used to recite this > shubhashita with Tunde Tunde... > The following is actual one. > > piNDe piNDe matirbhinnA kuNDe kuNDe nava.n payaH | > jAtau jAtau navAchArAH navA vANI mukhe mukhe ||37|| > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > I am no sanskrit scholar but isn't it > > > > Munde munde matibhinna? > > > > I thought tunde refers to Sri Ganeshji's trunk (or an elephant's > > trunk). I could be wrong though having always cut sanskrit classes > > in favour of something else ;-)! > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Atmasnehi Sri Indra, > > > each head, has different idea/thoughts > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > (The Apabhrunsha in your name has been removed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Atmasnehi Om Tat Sat, Many Thanks for removing apabhransha. So nice of you. Indra -- In , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > Atmasnehi Sri Indra, > each head, has different idea/thoughts > > Tatvam-Asi > > (The Apabhrunsha in your name has been removed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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