ASTROLOGERS(doubts):Deeper classification of gemstones required?

June 4, 2004

Surya jee,

What is the average or most common dilution/potency used in

homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary quite a bit from one to

another but give me a basic number and also check my numbers below:

I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary medicine) say a 60%

solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600 grammes per litre)

one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a 1x

1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

1 of that in 10 = 1000x

1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

so that gives

1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops = 10000x.

Is that correct?

1 drop of that , "Inder"

<indervohra2001> wrote:

> No dear,

> The drug or substance is not in ionised or in any other form.

> Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all avalaible in the

> homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is also considered

> unscientific by many.

> Inder

>

> - In , surya vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Inder,

> >

> > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of curing .. I

> > believe astrology can help u understand the root of

> > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > predominantly cancerian tendency would call for drug

> > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> >

> > with dilution I believe the drug is there in ionized

> > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then maybe we

> > are understanding wat sprituality is

> >

> > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > Dear friends,

> > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these are

> > > not working in

> > > small dose but rather these work at energy level.

> > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo medicines

> > > donot contain

> > > the chemical substence.

> > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it will

> > > contain only

> > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal medium),

> > > chemical substence

> > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and dilution

> > > carried out along

> > > with potentiation.

> > > So it is magic. or the substence is available in

> > > energy form or

> > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > I have not done resarch on these but what I have

> > > seen that as per

> > > particular constitution medicine works which can be

> > > related to

> > > astrological considerations.

> > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > Mercurian people.

> > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > particularly suits

> > > Saturanian people.

> > > Etc .

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > ,

> > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years back,

> > > this being is

> > > well

> > > > aware of how it works but why it works in small

> > > dosages is a

> > > mystery.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > , surya

> > > vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > >

> > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or mantras

> > > etc) it

> > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > introduction of

> > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to greater

> > > dilution

> > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to suggestion

> > > sent

> > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In some ways physics works on the same

> > > principles the

> > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the

> > > smallest of

> > > > > the particles ...

> > > > >

> > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > >

> >

> > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.

> > http://messenger./

June 4, 2004

amazing? Yes!

In fact what is amazing is the things that trigger the inner healing

mechanism. Most drugs act on parts of cells known as receptors that

are chemically very specific (not one size fits all!). So why are

there those highly specific 'receptors' on the cells? Not for the

artificial substances made by drug companies, I presume. Ergo there

must be natural substances in the body that use those receptors. The

artificial substances just happen to fit the same sites and trigger

responses. An example is the natural pain killers in the body. Maybe

there are more, natural healing molecules within the body.

And the inner healing mechanisms can be activated by chemicals,

herbs, healing energies. Now that is mind-boggling! Imagine, the

same common lock that gets opened in so many ways, physical

psychological and spiritual!

RR

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Hmm .. ok .. I was not aware of this

> Now that u have said it's amazing science really !

>

> --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > No dear,

> > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in any

> > other form.

> > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all

> > avalaible in the

> > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is also

> > considered

> > unscientific by many.

> > Inder

> >

> > - In , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Inder,

> > >

> > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of curing ..

> > I

> > > believe astrology can help u understand the root

> > of

> > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call for

> > drug

> > > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> > >

> > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> > ionized

> > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then maybe

> > we

> > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > >

> > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these

> > are

> > > > not working in

> > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> > level.

> > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> > medicines

> > > > donot contain

> > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it

> > will

> > > > contain only

> > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> > medium),

> > > > chemical substence

> > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> > dilution

> > > > carried out along

> > > > with potentiation.

> > > > So it is magic. or the substence is available in

> > > > energy form or

> > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I have

> > > > seen that as per

> > > > particular constitution medicine works which can

> > be

> > > > related to

> > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > particularly suits

> > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > Etc .

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years

> > back,

> > > > this being is

> > > > well

> > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in

> > small

> > > > dosages is a

> > > > mystery.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > , surya

> > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or mantras

> > > > etc) it

> > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > > introduction of

> > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to greater

> > > > dilution

> > > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to

> > suggestion

> > > > sent

> > > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some ways physics works on the same

> > > > principles the

> > > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the

> > > > smallest of

> > > > > > the particles ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.

> > > http://messenger./

> >

>

> Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger.

> http://messenger./

June 4, 2004

In a sense there are connections.

Anyway bringing back to astrology, allowing myself a shameful plug,

you might want to read my research article

Astrological signature of alternative healers @

http://www.boloji.com/astro/00320.htm

, "vijay kumar"

<v_kumar@c...> wrote:

> Dear Group,

>

> I do not know, whether homoeopathy deserve discussion in this

forum, I would

> only mention that the real cure of a patient is possible after the

miasmatic

> base is identified and then treated by homoeo medicines.

>

> The isolated mention of Arg. Nit, Rhus Tox, Bryonia, Sulphur etc

is too

> superficial a discussion for cure in the domain of homoeopathy.

>

> Possibly, a discussion may start, what attributes are required to

be seen in

> a chart if the energy medicines like homoeo, Reiki etc are to be

helpful for

> cure to a patient.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vijay Kumar

>

> -

> "Inder" <indervohra2001>

> <>

> Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:14 PM

> Re: ASTROLOGERS(doubts):Deeper classification of

gemstones

> required?

>

> > Dear friends,

> > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these are not working in

> > small dose but rather these work at energy level.

> > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo medicines donot

contain

> > the chemical substence.

> > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it will contain only

> > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal medium), chemical

substence

> > will not be tracable, due to dilution and dilution carried out

along

> > with potentiation.

> > So it is magic. or the substence is available in energy form or

> > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > I have not done resarch on these but what I have seen that as per

> > particular constitution medicine works which can be related to

> > astrological considerations.

> > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with Mercurian people.

> > Sulpher goes well with so many people but particularly suits

> > Saturanian people.

> > Etc .

> > Inder

> >

> > , "om_tatsat_om"

> > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Fiend,

> > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years back, this being

is

> > well

> > > aware of how it works but why it works in small dosages is a

> > mystery.

> > >

> > > Tatvam-Asi

> > >

> > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Dear frined,

> > > >

> > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or mantras etc) it

> > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the introduction of

> > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > >

> > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to greater dilution

> > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to suggestion sent

> > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > >

> > > > In some ways physics works on the same principles the

> > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the smallest of

> > > > the particles ...

> > > >

> > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > Links

> >

June 5, 2004

Dear Mr. Inder,

Although, the reply of your mail was not necessary, but I notice that you

too easily react to a view and do not try to understand the meaning of the

assertions made. I am not interested to indicate my awareness of the miastic

studies of homoepathy to the group, but your remarks " But to reply you on

miasmic study ---" really made me think so. In case, if you take it

sportingly, please stop it here and participate in the other part of the

thread which has relevance to astrology.

In homoeopathy, the treatment differ on acute and on chronic stage of

problems and the mismatic searching is made on the chronic cases unlike the

treatment in english systm of medicines.

However, in case if you want to participate in the other part of my message

" Possibly, a discussion may start, what attributes are required to be seen

in a chart if the energy medicines like homoeo, Reiki etc are to be helpful

for cure to a patient ", your observations would be helpful to the group of

astrologers.

[in case, if you do not take offensively, I am interested to know about your

goodself, your various involvements in Homoeo, Astro studies etc, your

publications etc for my awareness sake. You may kindly send the details to

me on my personal id, I would reciprocate then. The mutual awareness gets

better by such interactions.]

Thanks,

Vijay Kumar

-

"Inder" <indervohra2001

<>

Friday, June 04, 2004 4:12 PM

Re: ASTROLOGERS(doubts):Deeper classification of gemstones

required?

> Yes dear,

> Discussion on homeopathy may not be good here.

> But to reply you on miasmic study, suppose a patient comes to you

> with an injury, will you apply calendula and admister Arnia or you

> will go for searching miasm.

> I raise the point when somebody mentioned that homeo works on small

> dose etc under discussion on working effects of gems. I wanted to

> clarify that homeo medicines are working at energy level not

> material level.

> Thanks.

> Inder

> - In , "vijay kumar" <v_kumar@c...>

> wrote:

> > Dear Group,

> >

> > I do not know, whether homoeopathy deserve discussion in this

> forum, I would

> > only mention that the real cure of a patient is possible after the

> miasmatic

> > base is identified and then treated by homoeo medicines.

> >

> > The isolated mention of Arg. Nit, Rhus Tox, Bryonia, Sulphur etc

> is too

> > superficial a discussion for cure in the domain of homoeopathy.

> >

> > Possibly, a discussion may start, what attributes are required to

> be seen in

> > a chart if the energy medicines like homoeo, Reiki etc are to be

> helpful for

> > cure to a patient.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Vijay Kumar

> >

> > -

> > "Inder" <indervohra2001>

> > <>

> > Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:14 PM

> > Re: ASTROLOGERS(doubts):Deeper classification of

> gemstones

> > required?

> >

> > > Dear friends,

> > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these are not working in

> > > small dose but rather these work at energy level.

> > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo medicines donot

> contain

> > > the chemical substence.

> > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it will contain only

> > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal medium), chemical

> substence

> > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and dilution carried out

> along

> > > with potentiation.

> > > So it is magic. or the substence is available in energy form or

> > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > I have not done resarch on these but what I have seen that as per

> > > particular constitution medicine works which can be related to

> > > astrological considerations.

> > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with Mercurian people.

> > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but particularly suits

> > > Saturanian people.

> > > Etc .

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > , "om_tatsat_om"

> > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years back, this being

> is

> > > well

> > > > aware of how it works but why it works in small dosages is a

> > > mystery.

> > > >

> > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > >

> > > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > >

> > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or mantras etc) it

> > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the introduction of

> > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > >

> > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to greater dilution

> > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to suggestion sent

> > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > >

> > > > > In some ways physics works on the same principles the

> > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the smallest of

> > > > > the particles ...

> > > > >

> > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > >

> > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > > Links

> > >

>

> ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> Links

>

June 5, 2004

Dear Vijay,

Without streching the discussion, I wanted to convey my views that

miasmic study is not that important.

My other view is that when selecting homeo remedies or going for

Reiki , astro analysis is not important rather it may prove to be

counterproductive.

I have no publication/articles etc on astro or homeo studies.

I am a water resource engineer and a busy professional.

Astrology, homeopathy etc just hobby.

Inder

, "vijay kumar"

<v_kumar@c...> wrote:

> Dear Mr. Inder,

>

> Although, the reply of your mail was not necessary, but I notice

that you

> too easily react to a view and do not try to understand the

meaning of the

> assertions made. I am not interested to indicate my awareness of

the miastic

> studies of homoepathy to the group, but your remarks " But to

reply you on

> miasmic study ---" really made me think so. In case, if you take it

> sportingly, please stop it here and participate in the other part

of the

> thread which has relevance to astrology.

>

> In homoeopathy, the treatment differ on acute and on chronic stage

of

> problems and the mismatic searching is made on the chronic cases

unlike the

> treatment in english systm of medicines.

>

> However, in case if you want to participate in the other part of

my message

> " Possibly, a discussion may start, what attributes are required

to be seen

> in a chart if the energy medicines like homoeo, Reiki etc are to

be helpful

> for cure to a patient ", your observations would be helpful to the

group of

> astrologers.

>

> [in case, if you do not take offensively, I am interested to know

about your

> goodself, your various involvements in Homoeo, Astro studies etc,

your

> publications etc for my awareness sake. You may kindly send the

details to

> me on my personal id, I would reciprocate then. The mutual

awareness gets

> better by such interactions.]

>

> Thanks,

>

> Vijay Kumar

>

> -

> "Inder" <indervohra2001>

> <>

> Friday, June 04, 2004 4:12 PM

> Re: ASTROLOGERS(doubts):Deeper classification of

gemstones

> required?

>

> > Yes dear,

> > Discussion on homeopathy may not be good here.

> > But to reply you on miasmic study, suppose a patient comes to you

> > with an injury, will you apply calendula and admister Arnia or

you

> > will go for searching miasm.

> > I raise the point when somebody mentioned that homeo works on

small

> > dose etc under discussion on working effects of gems. I wanted to

> > clarify that homeo medicines are working at energy level not

> > material level.

> > Thanks.

> > Inder

> > - In , "vijay kumar"

<v_kumar@c...>

> > wrote:

> > > Dear Group,

> > >

> > > I do not know, whether homoeopathy deserve discussion in this

> > forum, I would

> > > only mention that the real cure of a patient is possible after

the

> > miasmatic

> > > base is identified and then treated by homoeo medicines.

> > >

> > > The isolated mention of Arg. Nit, Rhus Tox, Bryonia, Sulphur

etc

> > is too

> > > superficial a discussion for cure in the domain of homoeopathy.

> > >

> > > Possibly, a discussion may start, what attributes are required

to

> > be seen in

> > > a chart if the energy medicines like homoeo, Reiki etc are to

be

> > helpful for

> > > cure to a patient.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > Vijay Kumar

> > >

> > > -

> > > "Inder" <indervohra2001>

> > > <>

> > > Thursday, June 03, 2004 5:14 PM

> > > Re: ASTROLOGERS(doubts):Deeper classification of

> > gemstones

> > > required?

> > >

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these are not

working in

> > > > small dose but rather these work at energy level.

> > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo medicines donot

> > contain

> > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it will contain

only

> > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal medium), chemical

> > substence

> > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and dilution carried

out

> > along

> > > > with potentiation.

> > > > So it is magic. or the substence is available in energy form

or

> > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I have seen that

as per

> > > > particular constitution medicine works which can be related

to

> > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with Mercurian

people.

> > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but particularly suits

> > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > Etc .

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > , "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years back, this

being

> > is

> > > > well

> > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in small dosages is

a

> > > > mystery.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > , surya vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or mantras etc) it

> > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the introduction of

> > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to greater dilution

> > > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to suggestion sent

> > > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some ways physics works on the same principles the

> > > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the smallest of

> > > > > > the particles ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > > > Links

> > > >

> >

> > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~

> > Links

> >

June 7, 2004

Hello RR,

"Surya" is fine with me

You are right about the potencies .. only it be

fuddles me to know that when you test for it you dont

find any traces of the original drug in the dilutions

!!

I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

discussion ... but I think most of the things in life

are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind all

madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to me

... just as homeo medicins gain strength with dilution

... is it possible that thoughts when made more and

more subtle gain more potential as well?

The issue then remains as to how we can make a thought

more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful? any

ideas? can we get talking?

I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt to

analyze a chart ..

Thanks!

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Surya jee,

>

> What is the average or most common dilution/potency

> used in

> homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary quite a

> bit from one to

> another but give me a basic number and also check my

> numbers below:

>

> I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

>

> Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> medicine) say a 60%

> solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> grammes per litre)

> one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a 1x

>

> 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

>

> so that gives

> 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> 10000x.

>

> Is that correct?

>

> 1 drop of that --- In

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > No dear,

> > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in any

> other form.

> > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all

> avalaible in the

> > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is also

> considered

> > unscientific by many.

> > Inder

> >

> > - In , surya

> vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Inder,

> > >

> > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of curing

> .. I

> > > believe astrology can help u understand the root

> of

> > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call for

> drug

> > > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> > >

> > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> ionized

> > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> maybe we

> > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > >

> > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these

> are

> > > > not working in

> > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> level.

> > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> medicines

> > > > donot contain

> > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it

> will

> > > > contain only

> > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> medium),

> > > > chemical substence

> > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> dilution

> > > > carried out along

> > > > with potentiation.

> > > > So it is magic. or the substence is available

> in

> > > > energy form or

> > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I

> have

> > > > seen that as per

> > > > particular constitution medicine works which

> can be

> > > > related to

> > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > particularly suits

> > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > Etc .

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years

> back,

> > > > this being is

> > > > well

> > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in

> small

> > > > dosages is a

> > > > mystery.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> surya

> > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or

> mantras

> > > > etc) it

> > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > > introduction of

> > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to

> greater

> > > > dilution

> > > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to

> suggestion

> > > > sent

> > > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some ways physics works on the same

> > > > principles the

> > > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the

> > > > smallest of

> > > > > > the particles ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new

> Messenger.

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Dear Surya,

More important than the dilution of a remedy, is the potentization that occurs

between dilutions. The same would apply to thoughts. We would have to find a way

to potentise them. There are diverse ways to do this; meditation, magic etc.

according to your preference and beliefs. Generally speaking, it is those that

do this, that are more successfull at their calling (or destiny) in life.

Best Regards,

Alexandro De Montemayor

surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote:

Hello RR,

"Surya" is fine with me

You are right about the potencies .. only it be

fuddles me to know that when you test for it you dont

find any traces of the original drug in the dilutions

!!

I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

discussion ... but I think most of the things in life

are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind all

madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to me

... just as homeo medicins gain strength with dilution

... is it possible that thoughts when made more and

more subtle gain more potential as well?

The issue then remains as to how we can make a thought

more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful? any

ideas? can we get talking?

I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt to

analyze a chart ..

Thanks!

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Surya jee,

>

> What is the average or most common dilution/potency

> used in

> homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary quite a

> bit from one to

> another but give me a basic number and also check my

> numbers below:

>

> I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

>

> Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> medicine) say a 60%

> solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> grammes per litre)

> one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a 1x

>

> 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

>

> so that gives

> 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> 10000x.

>

> Is that correct?

>

> 1 drop of that --- In

> , "Inder"

> <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > No dear,

> > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in any

> other form.

> > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all

> avalaible in the

> > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is also

> considered

> > unscientific by many.

> > Inder

> >

> > - In , surya

> vishnubhotla

> > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > Inder,

> > >

> > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of curing

> .. I

> > > believe astrology can help u understand the root

> of

> > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call for

> drug

> > > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> > >

> > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> ionized

> > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> maybe we

> > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > >

> > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > Dear friends,

> > > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these

> are

> > > > not working in

> > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> level.

> > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> medicines

> > > > donot contain

> > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it

> will

> > > > contain only

> > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> medium),

> > > > chemical substence

> > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> dilution

> > > > carried out along

> > > > with potentiation.

> > > > So it is magic. or the substence is available

> in

> > > > energy form or

> > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I

> have

> > > > seen that as per

> > > > particular constitution medicine works which

> can be

> > > > related to

> > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > particularly suits

> > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > Etc .

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years

> back,

> > > > this being is

> > > > well

> > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in

> small

> > > > dosages is a

> > > > mystery.

> > > > >

> > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> surya

> > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or

> mantras

> > > > etc) it

> > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > > introduction of

> > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to

> greater

> > > > dilution

> > > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to

> suggestion

> > > > sent

> > > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > In some ways physics works on the same

> > > > principles the

> > > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the

> > > > smallest of

> > > > > > the particles ...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om>

> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new

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June 7, 2004

I understand what you are saying.

I was wondering if the negation of the thought itself

going to stregthen it's happening .. provided we

potentalize our mind in between?

I hope u understand my dilema here ... I have a desire

... by diluting the desire, however potentalizing it in

say deep meditation (say maybe an Alpha state of mind)

and just leaving a suggestion in that state is going

to bring the desire to happen?

Say I want a nail to be hammered into the wall,

simplest way would be to take a nail, hammer and bang

it in .. now say I want to create a suggestion for

this to happen without my involvement

would the sequence of these steps help my cause:

a) Dilute the desire to have a nail on the wall, by

maybe getting detached to the very idea

b) Go into meditation

c) release a disspationate suggestion that the nail

should be keyed into the wall?

I think even remedies to horoscopes then should follow

the same pattern !! isnt it?

--- Alexandro de Montemayor <alexandrodem

wrote:

> Dear Surya,

>

> More important than the dilution of a remedy, is the

> potentization that occurs between dilutions. The

> same would apply to thoughts. We would have to find

> a way to potentise them. There are diverse ways to

> do this; meditation, magic etc. according to your

> preference and beliefs. Generally speaking, it is

> those that do this, that are more successfull at

> their calling (or destiny) in life.

>

> Best Regards,

>

> Alexandro De Montemayor

>

> surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote:

> Hello RR,

>

> "Surya" is fine with me

>

> You are right about the potencies .. only it be

> fuddles me to know that when you test for it you

> dont

> find any traces of the original drug in the

> dilutions

> !!

>

> I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

> discussion ... but I think most of the things in

> life

> are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind

> all

> madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

>

> Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to

> me

> .. just as homeo medicins gain strength with

> dilution

> .. is it possible that thoughts when made more and

> more subtle gain more potential as well?

>

> The issue then remains as to how we can make a

> thought

> more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful? any

> ideas? can we get talking?

>

> I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt to

> analyze a chart ..

>

> Thanks!

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> > Surya jee,

> >

> > What is the average or most common

> dilution/potency

> > used in

> > homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary quite

> a

> > bit from one to

> > another but give me a basic number and also check

> my

> > numbers below:

> >

> > I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

> >

> > Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> > medicine) say a 60%

> > solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> > grammes per litre)

> > one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a 1x

> >

> > 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> > 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> > 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> > 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

> >

> > so that gives

> > 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> > 10000x.

> >

> > Is that correct?

> >

> > 1 drop of that --- In

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > No dear,

> > > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in

> any

> > other form.

> > > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all

> > avalaible in the

> > > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is

> also

> > considered

> > > unscientific by many.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > - In , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Inder,

> > > >

> > > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of

> curing

> > .. I

> > > > believe astrology can help u understand the

> root

> > of

> > > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call

> for

> > drug

> > > > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> > > >

> > > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> > ionized

> > > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> > maybe we

> > > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > > >

> > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > As far as homeo medicines are

> concerned,these

> > are

> > > > > not working in

> > > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> > level.

> > > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> > medicines

> > > > > donot contain

> > > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency

> it

> > will

> > > > > contain only

> > > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> > medium),

> > > > > chemical substence

> > > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> > dilution

> > > > > carried out along

> > > > > with potentiation.

> > > > > So it is magic. or the substence is

> available

> > in

> > > > > energy form or

> > > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I

> > have

> > > > > seen that as per

> > > > > particular constitution medicine works which

> > can be

> > > > > related to

> > > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > > particularly suits

> > > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > > Etc .

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35

> years

> > back,

> > > > > this being is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in

> > small

> > > > > dosages is a

> > > > > mystery.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > surya

> > > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or

> > mantras

> > > > > etc) it

> > > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > > > introduction of

> > > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to

> > greater

>

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Diluting can also work as a focusing aid. As you weaken the total

thought noise, most already weak thoughts would die out and fall

below the threshold of perception, leaving only the seed thought to

focus on and perceive -- even though it is weaker -- but with the

noise produced by other thoughts gone or weakened, one can focus on

the thought that remains.

I went up and down the message but could not find the analysis of

chart that you wanted me to comment upon :-(

This medium is very limited in allowing one to give feedback on

things like charts. Imagine if we had a realtime whiteboard where we

could draw charts and conference in real time -- that would work.

This is why I posted if anyone is interested in conferencing but

there was little interest.

Problem with this is that when one looks at a chart so many thought

trains run at the same time and it is not a linear train. to capture

it in writing which is linear (you can only write about A then B and

so on, is very difficult.

But let us not lose heart nor hope. Is there more that we can see,

given that we have more than one level of vargas (rashi being the

primary varga) to look at.

It should be a standard practice when looking at an issue to look at

the rashi, derived charts (karakamsha, from specific karaka etc) and

the secondary varga (navamsha for marriage, saptmasha for children

etc) and then see if there is consensus. Remember the charts where

there is consensus in different vargas and probe if the experiences

of that nativity were stronger or different than another one with

something showing up just in one chart. Although lot of people

(modern and classic like Satya) talk about looking at the lunar

chart, I have not seen it as a strong factor at all in real charts.

RR

, surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Hello RR,

>

> "Surya" is fine with me

>

> You are right about the potencies .. only it be

> fuddles me to know that when you test for it you dont

> find any traces of the original drug in the dilutions

> !!

>

> I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

> discussion ... but I think most of the things in life

> are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind all

> madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

>

> Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to me

> .. just as homeo medicins gain strength with dilution

> .. is it possible that thoughts when made more and

> more subtle gain more potential as well?

>

> The issue then remains as to how we can make a thought

> more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful? any

> ideas? can we get talking?

>

> I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt to

> analyze a chart ..

>

> Thanks!

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Surya jee,

> >

> > What is the average or most common dilution/potency

> > used in

> > homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary quite a

> > bit from one to

> > another but give me a basic number and also check my

> > numbers below:

> >

> > I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

> >

> > Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> > medicine) say a 60%

> > solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> > grammes per litre)

> > one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a 1x

> >

> > 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> > 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> > 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> > 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

> >

> > so that gives

> > 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> > 10000x.

> >

> > Is that correct?

> >

> > 1 drop of that --- In

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > No dear,

> > > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in any

> > other form.

> > > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all

> > avalaible in the

> > > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is also

> > considered

> > > unscientific by many.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > - In , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Inder,

> > > >

> > > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of curing

> > .. I

> > > > believe astrology can help u understand the root

> > of

> > > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call for

> > drug

> > > > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> > > >

> > > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> > ionized

> > > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> > maybe we

> > > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > > >

> > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these

> > are

> > > > > not working in

> > > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> > level.

> > > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> > medicines

> > > > > donot contain

> > > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it

> > will

> > > > > contain only

> > > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> > medium),

> > > > > chemical substence

> > > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> > dilution

> > > > > carried out along

> > > > > with potentiation.

> > > > > So it is magic. or the substence is available

> > in

> > > > > energy form or

> > > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I

> > have

> > > > > seen that as per

> > > > > particular constitution medicine works which

> > can be

> > > > > related to

> > > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > > particularly suits

> > > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > > Etc .

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years

> > back,

> > > > > this being is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in

> > small

> > > > > dosages is a

> > > > > mystery.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > surya

> > > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or

> > mantras

> > > > > etc) it

> > > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > > > introduction of

> > > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to

> > greater

> > > > > dilution

> > > > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to

> > suggestion

> > > > > sent

> > > > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In some ways physics works on the same

> > > > > principles the

> > > > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the

> > > > > smallest of

> > > > > > > the particles ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new

> > Messenger.

> > > > http://messenger./

> >

>

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June 8, 2004

Hello RR,

enclosing what I had written earlier .. and requesting

your inputs (this is regards to Quiz 2 posted by

tanvir):

Mercury is the planet of intellect as opposed to Moon

which is the planet of mind. Merury being the lord of

9th broadly indicates intellect brought to the relm of

wisdom, religiousness, education and travel.

Mercury being the lord of 12th signifies losses,

pleasures and spiritual gains ..

Mercury being aspected by jupiter indicates beauty and

learning, the aspect of mars will render a touch

of dryness to person with clouding of the intellect ..

Mercury in association with sun and venus in Leo I

believe is going to render the person prone to the

opposite sex and agony on that account.

Mercury being in 11th house signifies gains and

success related to these areas as well. Gains probably

by intellect applied and losses thorugh others. Both

the gains and the losses will be in the hands of

the native with probable protection from the father to

the native on all accounts.

Moon in 6th house loses all its good aspects. It

indicates illness, agony and losses. More so on

emotional clouding. It will probably bring out the

losses in a sub dasa of mercury related to mercury

being the lord of the 12th house. More so emotional

losses and gains relgious/spiritually for the 9th

house. This could be triggered with own personal ill

health (merc/moon - eyes etc) or due to emotional

distrubances from opposite sex (spouse?- there is an

indication of delayed marriage for the native)

The sub period of saturn in Merc/moon is largely

decided by saturn's position ...

Saturn is a functional benefic being the lord of 4th

and 5th. As the lord of 4th and 5th he tries to

ground issues like mother, private affairs, progeny,

religious tendencies, learning exams etc in

practical reality. His aspects on the 4th house (own)

will bring forth issues related to mother, private

affairs, property, vehicles to the forefront. His gaze

on the 12th house (lord mercury) will probably

cause expenditure and profit if in business. His gaze

on the 7th house (lord mars) shows a dischord in

the married life and may also indicate ill health to

spouse. Incidentally Jupiter (lord of 3 and 6)

is in the 7th house and he causes health problems as

well related to skin/anus.

Being in 10th house he tries to materialize the above

issues favourably. If the native is engaged in job

there will be promotion/permanency power invested with

recognition. However lord of 10th Moon is in 6th

and this will largely discount these issues.

Mercury aspecting the 5th house whose lord is saturn

will highlite the issues like religion/ love affairs

progeny entertainment/competition to the forefront.

Moon aspecting the 12th house highlites the losses

thru enemies and gain spiritually related to mercury

being the lord of the 12th house.

(lordship/in/aspecting)

Merc - 9,12/11/5

Moon - 10/6/12

Saturn - 4,5/10/12,7,4

Looking backwards, the 4, 5, 12, 10 seem to be the

predominant houses in this context from the point of

view of saturn.

I believe this might roughly translate to

property/vehicle gain, Progeny, ill health, losses

through love and gain spiritually.

--- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote:

> Diluting can also work as a focusing aid. As you

> weaken the total

> thought noise, most already weak thoughts would die

> out and fall

> below the threshold of perception, leaving only the

> seed thought to

> focus on and perceive -- even though it is weaker --

> but with the

> noise produced by other thoughts gone or weakened,

> one can focus on

> the thought that remains.

>

> I went up and down the message but could not find

> the analysis of

> chart that you wanted me to comment upon :-(

>

> This medium is very limited in allowing one to give

> feedback on

> things like charts. Imagine if we had a realtime

> whiteboard where we

> could draw charts and conference in real time --

> that would work.

> This is why I posted if anyone is interested in

> conferencing but

> there was little interest.

>

> Problem with this is that when one looks at a chart

> so many thought

> trains run at the same time and it is not a linear

> train. to capture

> it in writing which is linear (you can only write

> about A then B and

> so on, is very difficult.

>

> But let us not lose heart nor hope. Is there more

> that we can see,

> given that we have more than one level of vargas

> (rashi being the

> primary varga) to look at.

>

> It should be a standard practice when looking at an

> issue to look at

> the rashi, derived charts (karakamsha, from specific

> karaka etc) and

> the secondary varga (navamsha for marriage,

> saptmasha for children

> etc) and then see if there is consensus. Remember

> the charts where

> there is consensus in different vargas and probe if

> the experiences

> of that nativity were stronger or different than

> another one with

> something showing up just in one chart. Although lot

> of people

> (modern and classic like Satya) talk about looking

> at the lunar

> chart, I have not seen it as a strong factor at all

> in real charts.

>

> RR

>

> , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Hello RR,

> >

> > "Surya" is fine with me

> >

> > You are right about the potencies .. only it be

> > fuddles me to know that when you test for it you

> dont

> > find any traces of the original drug in the

> dilutions

> > !!

> >

> > I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

> > discussion ... but I think most of the things in

> life

> > are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind

> all

> > madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

> >

> > Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to

> me

> > .. just as homeo medicins gain strength with

> dilution

> > .. is it possible that thoughts when made more and

> > more subtle gain more potential as well?

> >

> > The issue then remains as to how we can make a

> thought

> > more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful?

> any

> > ideas? can we get talking?

> >

> > I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt

> to

> > analyze a chart ..

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Surya jee,

> > >

> > > What is the average or most common

> dilution/potency

> > > used in

> > > homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary

> quite a

> > > bit from one to

> > > another but give me a basic number and also

> check my

> > > numbers below:

> > >

> > > I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

> > >

> > > Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> > > medicine) say a 60%

> > > solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> > > grammes per litre)

> > > one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a

> 1x

> > >

> > > 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> > > 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> > > 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> > > 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

> > >

> > > so that gives

> > > 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> > > 10000x.

> > >

> > > Is that correct?

> > >

> > > 1 drop of that --- In

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > No dear,

> > > > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in

> any

> > > other form.

> > > > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at

> all

> > > avalaible in the

> > > > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is

> also

> > > considered

> > > > unscientific by many.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > - In , surya

> > > vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Inder,

> > > > >

> > > > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of

> curing

> > > .. I

> > > > > believe astrology can help u understand the

> root

> > > of

> > > > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call

> for

> > > drug

> > > > > treatment line that also cater to the mind

> ..

> > > > >

> > > > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> > > ionized

> > > > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> > > maybe we

> > > > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > As far as homeo medicines are

> concerned,these

> > > are

> > > > > > not working in

> > > > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> > > level.

> > > > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> > > medicines

> > > > > > donot contain

> > > > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th

> potency it

> > > will

> > > > > > contain only

> > > > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> > > medium),

> > > > > > chemical substence

> > > > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> > > dilution

> > > > > > carried out along

> > > > > > with potentiation.

> > > > > > So it is magic. or the substence is

> available

>

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Dear ,

Some more fodder for thinking.

Any substance can be diluted and potencied to prepare homeo

medicines.

It may cure some problem .

The substence in crude form if taken will cause some problem or

disease to the body and symptoms , and if any person is suffering

from these problem/disease can be cured by that substence in

potencied form.

Strong poisons make good homeo remedy.

The nature of a substance changes with potencisation. Upto mother

tincture level it will give some of the property of crude substance

in some enhanced way. In Ayurveda, potencisation is carried out by

kharad or silbatta(grinder)and the drugs like herbs etc are made

effective and they gain enhanced power to act. In homeopathy the

potenisation when taken to say 30 power or 200 power etc the

property/characterstics of the substance is quite apposite to the

that of crude form. In 1 lakhs power the property/Characterstics

undergo further changes.

So dear, can we corelate these observations with some astro/spritual

considerations.?

Inder

- In , surya vishnubhotla

<surya_prakashv> wrote:

> Hello RR,

>

> "Surya" is fine with me

>

> You are right about the potencies .. only it be

> fuddles me to know that when you test for it you dont

> find any traces of the original drug in the dilutions

> !!

>

> I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

> discussion ... but I think most of the things in life

> are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind all

> madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

>

> Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to me

> .. just as homeo medicins gain strength with dilution

> .. is it possible that thoughts when made more and

> more subtle gain more potential as well?

>

> The issue then remains as to how we can make a thought

> more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful? any

> ideas? can we get talking?

>

> I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt to

> analyze a chart ..

>

> Thanks!

>

> --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > Surya jee,

> >

> > What is the average or most common dilution/potency

> > used in

> > homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary quite a

> > bit from one to

> > another but give me a basic number and also check my

> > numbers below:

> >

> > I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

> >

> > Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> > medicine) say a 60%

> > solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> > grammes per litre)

> > one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a 1x

> >

> > 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> > 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> > 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> > 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

> >

> > so that gives

> > 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> > 10000x.

> >

> > Is that correct?

> >

> > 1 drop of that --- In

> > , "Inder"

> > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > No dear,

> > > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in any

> > other form.

> > > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at all

> > avalaible in the

> > > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is also

> > considered

> > > unscientific by many.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > > - In , surya

> > vishnubhotla

> > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > Inder,

> > > >

> > > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of curing

> > .. I

> > > > believe astrology can help u understand the root

> > of

> > > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call for

> > drug

> > > > treatment line that also cater to the mind ..

> > > >

> > > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> > ionized

> > > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> > maybe we

> > > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > > >

> > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > As far as homeo medicines are concerned,these

> > are

> > > > > not working in

> > > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> > level.

> > > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> > medicines

> > > > > donot contain

> > > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th potency it

> > will

> > > > > contain only

> > > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> > medium),

> > > > > chemical substence

> > > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> > dilution

> > > > > carried out along

> > > > > with potentiation.

> > > > > So it is magic. or the substence is available

> > in

> > > > > energy form or

> > > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > > I have not done resarch on these but what I

> > have

> > > > > seen that as per

> > > > > particular constitution medicine works which

> > can be

> > > > > related to

> > > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well with

> > > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > > particularly suits

> > > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > > Etc .

> > > > > Inder

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > > > > "om_tatsat_om"

> > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Fiend,

> > > > > > As a practitioner of Homeopathy abt 35 years

> > back,

> > > > > this being is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > aware of how it works but why it works in

> > small

> > > > > dosages is a

> > > > > mystery.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Tatvam-Asi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > surya

> > > > > vishnubhotla

> > > > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear frined,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Both in homeopathy, spirituality (or

> > mantras

> > > > > etc) it

> > > > > > > is widly accepted that more subtle the

> > > > > introduction of

> > > > > > > material more the power it carries ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Subtlity in homeopathy translates to

> > greater

> > > > > dilution

> > > > > > > .. and in spirituality pertains to

> > suggestion

> > > > > sent

> > > > > > > forth in teh most unnoticable manner ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In some ways physics works on the same

> > > > > principles the

> > > > > > > greatest of the energies is stored in the

> > > > > smallest of

> > > > > > > the particles ...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- om_tatsat_om <om_tatsat_om>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new

> > Messenger.

> > > > http://messenger./

> >

>

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June 8, 2004

A very good observation .. I am impressed !!!

All this boils down simply to this as I think about it

...

The idea is to have a healthy and balanced body. Any

kind of imbalance is probably cured when we take the

appropriate dose of appropriately potentialized form

of drug.

The same should go to spiritual realm. The idea is to

probably be in a neutral unbiased unattached state of

existance.

It should be noted that inappropriate medication can

cause harm in both realms !!

Much of spiritual practice, like homeo practice then

depends on learning the correct potentalized thought

to bring about a balanced state. Also, the process of

dilution and the medium for dilution probably need to

be defined.

Interestingly the same goes for Remedies as well !! ..

Malefics probably intensify pain, benefics intensify

joy. Moderation is achieved by catering to the

imbalanced planet should be catered to by way of

remedies we apply.

--- Inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

> Dear ,

> Some more fodder for thinking.

> Any substance can be diluted and potencied to

> prepare homeo

> medicines.

> It may cure some problem .

> The substence in crude form if taken will cause some

> problem or

> disease to the body and symptoms , and if any person

> is suffering

> from these problem/disease can be cured by that

> substence in

> potencied form.

> Strong poisons make good homeo remedy.

>

> The nature of a substance changes with

> potencisation. Upto mother

> tincture level it will give some of the property of

> crude substance

> in some enhanced way. In Ayurveda, potencisation is

> carried out by

> kharad or silbatta(grinder)and the drugs like herbs

> etc are made

> effective and they gain enhanced power to act. In

> homeopathy the

> potenisation when taken to say 30 power or 200 power

> etc the

> property/characterstics of the substance is quite

> apposite to the

> that of crude form. In 1 lakhs power the

> property/Characterstics

> undergo further changes.

> So dear, can we corelate these observations with

> some astro/spritual

> considerations.?

> Inder

>

> - In , surya

> vishnubhotla

> <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > Hello RR,

> >

> > "Surya" is fine with me

> >

> > You are right about the potencies .. only it be

> > fuddles me to know that when you test for it you

> dont

> > find any traces of the original drug in the

> dilutions

> > !!

> >

> > I am sorry for bringing homeopathy back into

> > discussion ... but I think most of the things in

> life

> > are interconnected !! .. there is a method behind

> all

> > madness (vice versa is dogma I guess )

> >

> > Over the weekend an interesting thuoght occured to

> me

> > .. just as homeo medicins gain strength with

> dilution

> > .. is it possible that thoughts when made more and

> > more subtle gain more potential as well?

> >

> > The issue then remains as to how we can make a

> thought

> > more dilute and subtle to make it more powerful?

> any

> > ideas? can we get talking?

> >

> > I would also appreciate your inputs on my attempt

> to

> > analyze a chart ..

> >

> > Thanks!

> >

> > --- rohiniranjan <rrgb@s...> wrote:

> > > Surya jee,

> > >

> > > What is the average or most common

> dilution/potency

> > > used in

> > > homeopathic medicine? I realize it will vary

> quite a

> > > bit from one to

> > > another but give me a basic number and also

> check my

> > > numbers below:

> > >

> > > I am going by hearsay but does this sound right?

> > >

> > > Mother tincture (alcholic extract of primary

> > > medicine) say a 60%

> > > solution on average (60 grammes in 100 mL or 600

> > > grammes per litre)

> > > one drop of that + 99 drops of vehicle gives a

> 1x

> > >

> > > 1 drop of that in 10 gives a 10x potency

> > > 1 of that 10 gives a 100x potency

> > > 1 of that in 10 = 1000x

> > > 1 of that in 10 = 10000x (commonly used?)

> > >

> > > so that gives

> > > 1 drop of mother tincture in 1 million drops =

> > > 10000x.

> > >

> > > Is that correct?

> > >

> > > 1 drop of that --- In

> > > , "Inder"

> > > <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > No dear,

> > > > The drug or substance is not in ionised or in

> any

> > > other form.

> > > > Chemical analysis shows that drug in not at

> all

> > > avalaible in the

> > > > homeo medicine. That is why homeo practice is

> also

> > > considered

> > > > unscientific by many.

> > > > Inder

> > > >

> > > > - In , surya

> > > vishnubhotla

> > > > <surya_prakashv> wrote:

> > > > > Inder,

> > > > >

> > > > > Homeopathy being a symptomatic system of

> curing

> > > .. I

> > > > > believe astrology can help u understand the

> root

> > > of

> > > > > patients symptoms better ... for example a

> > > > > predominantly cancerian tendency would call

> for

> > > drug

> > > > > treatment line that also cater to the mind

> ..

> > > > >

> > > > > with dilution I believe the drug is there in

> > > ionized

> > > > > form ... now if ionization is spiritual then

> > > maybe we

> > > > > are understanding wat sprituality is

> > > > >

> > > > > --- Inder <indervohra2001> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear friends,

> > > > > > As far as homeo medicines are

> concerned,these

> > > are

> > > > > > not working in

> > > > > > small dose but rather these work at energy

> > > level.

> > > > > > Beyound 6th or 12th potency, the the homeo

> > > medicines

> > > > > > donot contain

> > > > > > the chemical substence.

> > > > > > If one analyse the medicine of 12th

> potency it

> > > will

> > > > > > contain only

> > > > > > sugar or alcohal ( sugar pill or alcohal

> > > medium),

> > > > > > chemical substence

> > > > > > will not be tracable, due to dilution and

> > > dilution

> > > > > > carried out along

> > > > > > with potentiation.

> > > > > > So it is magic. or the substence is

> available

> > > in

> > > > > > energy form or

> > > > > > spritual form. It works and cures.

> > > > > > I have not done resarch on these but what

> I

> > > have

> > > > > > seen that as per

> > > > > > particular constitution medicine works

> which

> > > can be

> > > > > > related to

> > > > > > astrological considerations.

> > > > > > Like Argetum Nit and Ignitia works well

> with

> > > > > > Mercurian people.

> > > > > > Sulpher goes well with so many people but

> > > > > > particularly suits

> > > > > > Saturanian people.

> > > > > > Etc .

> > > > > > Inder

> > > > > >

>

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