Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Gentlemen, Is Intuition necessary qualification for an Astrologer??? Regards, Raghu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2004 Report Share Posted June 1, 2004 Intuition is not always a very dramatic, in your face kind of information perception. More often than not, particularly in matters of lesser personal significance, it can be quite subtle and 'weak' as inner voices go. It can be cultivated as those have done so, tell. It can help, certainly, particularly when one is faced with a large matrix of possible astroindicators and combinations and the option lies between staying confused or picking a lamp that will lead through the dark corridor of someone else's karma without setting the place on fire! This does not mean most of us can do away with the logic in astrologic and become trikalagnas just armed with intuition! My 2 cents RR , "raghuvenkataj" <raghuvenkataj> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an Astrologer??? > > Regards, > Raghu. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Dear Raghu, If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a necessary but sufficient condition to try and be an astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution actually draw from their experiences of having seen many charts (probably thousands) ... some may genuinely be gifted with intution and such people dont actually need astrology to do the needful !! In any case both intution as well as astrology can be learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application of the mind ! --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj wrote: > Gentlemen, > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > Astrologer??? > > Regards, > Raghu. > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Dear Surya: This reminds me of playing chess. There is something called "pattern recognition." After perhaps thousands and thousands of games a player develops the ability to know what move to make just by looking at a position. Some call this being intuitive but in reality is just the computer in our brain searching from its database to find the move that is applicable. Perhaps in a way this might be true of what you just describe below. Jose --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv wrote: > Dear Raghu, > > If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a > necessary but sufficient condition to try and be an > astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... > > > Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution > actually draw from their experiences of having seen > many charts (probably thousands) ... some may > genuinely be gifted with intution and such people > dont > actually need astrology to do the needful !! > > In any case both intution as well as astrology can > be > learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application of > the mind ! > > > --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > > Astrologer??? > > > > Regards, > > Raghu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Dear Jose, You are right Jose, that was what I was trying to say .... there is a thin line between intution and Gut feeling .. many confuse Gut feeling for intution .. and gut feeling often draws from repeated experiences ... --- Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: > Dear Surya: > > This reminds me of playing chess. There is something > called "pattern recognition." After perhaps > thousands > and thousands of games a player develops the ability > to know what move to make just by looking at a > position. Some call this being intuitive but in > reality is just the computer in our brain searching > from its database to find the move that is > applicable. > Perhaps in a way this might be true of what you just > describe below. > > Jose > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv > wrote: > > Dear Raghu, > > > > If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a > > necessary but sufficient condition to try and be > an > > astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... > > > > > > > Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution > > actually draw from their experiences of having > seen > > many charts (probably thousands) ... some may > > genuinely be gifted with intution and such people > > dont > > actually need astrology to do the needful !! > > > > In any case both intution as well as astrology can > > be > > learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application > of > > the mind ! > > > > > > --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj wrote: > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > > > Astrologer??? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Raghu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > http://messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Hello everybody, Intuition...Well, no second thoughts about it. It is the same entity that made Ashwini Kumars the celestial doctors, same one that made Madri putra Nakul a great mathematician, the same planet that made Paramhansa namashya, same one that each and every doctor must have well-placed (along with Mars), same one that is needed for a great astrologer...eternal Ketu. Astrology...learning it..Mercury, preaching it ....Jupiter Must catch up with the next class.. Bye for now, Padma , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Jose, > > You are right Jose, that was what I was trying to say > ... there is a thin line between intution and Gut > feeling .. many confuse Gut feeling for intution .. > and gut feeling often draws from repeated experiences > .. > > > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114> wrote: > > Dear Surya: > > > > This reminds me of playing chess. There is something > > called "pattern recognition." After perhaps > > thousands > > and thousands of games a player develops the ability > > to know what move to make just by looking at a > > position. Some call this being intuitive but in > > reality is just the computer in our brain searching > > from its database to find the move that is > > applicable. > > Perhaps in a way this might be true of what you just > > describe below. > > > > Jose > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > Dear Raghu, > > > > > > If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a > > > necessary but sufficient condition to try and be > > an > > > astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution > > > actually draw from their experiences of having > > seen > > > many charts (probably thousands) ... some may > > > genuinely be gifted with intution and such people > > > dont > > > actually need astrology to do the needful !! > > > > > > In any case both intution as well as astrology can > > > be > > > learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application > > of > > > the mind ! > > > > > > > > > --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj> wrote: > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > > > > Astrologer??? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Raghu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > > http://messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > http://messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 Intuition represents, I submit to this august group, a spectrum of knowing. It is like the extreme end of the electromagnetic spectrum (as an analogy) which straddles visible light (aware, conscious knowing). The 'invisible' energies (UV/IR) can be used to illuminate appropriate bodies (such as UV can induce fluorescence and make some kinds of chemicals, proteins and fungus become visible where they were invisible under normal visible light, and IR can when imaged using a sensitive IR film show a picture slightly deeper than skin -- so that a person who appears clean-shaven will on an IR picture show a 2 day old stubble. Intuition is probably a faster form of knowing and all intuition are not the same. Gut-feeling is a personal, awareness and often requires that the recipient be involved and engaged in something. It sometimes shows up as 'having slept over a problem'. There is often a strong emotional bond too, like the intuition of a mother or of a relative. Some of these could be the result of a fast process going on in the multitasking brain that is sifting through a lot of information and perhaps some of the pattern matching may fall in this category, although pattern matching needs prior learning and knowledge and the pattern (sun is in the star of the atmakaraka that is flanked by malefics, ergo ...) sometimes have a logical link. Pure intuitive knowing would come as a flash to someone who did not train in the area (though this becomes difficult to pin down or factor out if we believe in multiple births and that at some level the learned information is stored, not readily accessible but potentially there and can break through at times. Astrologers who use such pragna, and psychics too experience an interesting form of intuitive knowledge which comes to them without their being emotionally or otherwise involved with the querrent or the querry. However, there is really no good documentation of how often this happens and with what efficacy etc. Someone very intuitive and psychic would be very sensitive to Heisenbergian influence/phenomena during testing and that poses its own unique challenges in testing this kind of ability. The good quality sample is hard to find, for starters! Classics and contemporary texts tend to peg these abilities to planets or specific signs etc., but given the variations that abound in jyotish it becomes difficult if not impossible to pin these down without a lot of dry discussion using examples etc. Even where charts and examples exist, time often becomes a precious rare thing to engage in same. RR , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Jose, > > You are right Jose, that was what I was trying to say > ... there is a thin line between intution and Gut > feeling .. many confuse Gut feeling for intution .. > and gut feeling often draws from repeated experiences > .. > > > > > --- Jose Rosa <master4114> wrote: > > Dear Surya: > > > > This reminds me of playing chess. There is something > > called "pattern recognition." After perhaps > > thousands > > and thousands of games a player develops the ability > > to know what move to make just by looking at a > > position. Some call this being intuitive but in > > reality is just the computer in our brain searching > > from its database to find the move that is > > applicable. > > Perhaps in a way this might be true of what you just > > describe below. > > > > Jose > > > > > > --- surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> > > wrote: > > > Dear Raghu, > > > > > > If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a > > > necessary but sufficient condition to try and be > > an > > > astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... > > > > > > > > > > > Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution > > > actually draw from their experiences of having > > seen > > > many charts (probably thousands) ... some may > > > genuinely be gifted with intution and such people > > > dont > > > actually need astrology to do the needful !! > > > > > > In any case both intution as well as astrology can > > > be > > > learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application > > of > > > the mind ! > > > > > > > > > --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj> wrote: > > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > > > > Astrologer??? > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Raghu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > > http://messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > http://messenger./ > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2004 Report Share Posted June 2, 2004 In a properly done reading, unlike what happens on most lists and message boards, even if one were allowed to become a fly on the wall (with the consent of the jyotishi and client, of course!), there is a blend of the technical (pattern recognition and analysis etc), the synthetic (information gained from the technical stream of the process blended with experience and perhaps more) and the intuitive sometimes becomes obvious. It is hard to document and pin down though in that complete process. When we examine a chart here or in similar settings we are probably working more as technicians. But even when we describe the combinations etc that lead to a conclusion, can we always give the full picture, can we capture all the logical trains that are running as we see the chart then recall and capture. Some can do this very well, an example being Marc Boney, a California based astrologer, psychologist and a teacher in Deepak Chopra's institution (I could be wrong about that affiliation of his). His case studies I recall were very detailed, very logical and a pleasure to read -- textbook astrology as he calls those! , surya vishnubhotla <surya_prakashv> wrote: > Dear Raghu, > > If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a > necessary but sufficient condition to try and be an > astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... > > Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution > actually draw from their experiences of having seen > many charts (probably thousands) ... some may > genuinely be gifted with intution and such people dont > actually need astrology to do the needful !! > > In any case both intution as well as astrology can be > learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application of > the mind ! > > > --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj> wrote: > > Gentlemen, > > > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > > Astrologer??? > > > > Regards, > > Raghu. > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2004 Report Share Posted June 3, 2004 Dear RR, As I see it, human being is too complex to be reduced just to a set of 9 planets ... also often horoscopes seem to be showing sooo many contradicting sides of the same person ... My personal opinion is that as human being we all have all kinds of feelings/tendencies (I wouldnt believe evolution would like it any other way) ... we all have the same anger/lust/greed/piousness etc etc ... planets are indicative of which of these are predominant in us at any given time ... so obviously it is impossible to pin point which tendency overall dominates unless the fundamentals of astrolgoy are firmly placed in the mind of the person looking at the horoscope ... The key is maybe to look at the 9 planets, 12 zodiac and the 12 houses to extrapolate the possible tendencies and then deduct possbile course of action .... In this sense ... I sometimes have a distaste for gemstone remedies (mind you I am wearing a pearl for my moon dasa!) without an understanding our own tendencies (as shown by the stars -- sometimes we are so blind to our own flaws !) and trying to modify them .... I believe every astrologer who perscribes a mantra or a gem stone should tell his client what are the tendencies that a person shows to the world which are generally percieved as wrong and should be curbed .. to complete the remedy prescribed ... anything short of this is just money swindling process which both robs the credibility of the astrology community as well as the remedies band ! --- rohiniranjan <rrgb wrote: > In a properly done reading, unlike what happens on > most lists and > message boards, even if one were allowed to become a > fly on the wall > (with the consent of the jyotishi and client, of > course!), there is > a blend of the technical (pattern recognition and > analysis etc), the > synthetic (information gained from the technical > stream of the > process blended with experience and perhaps more) > and the intuitive > sometimes becomes obvious. It is hard to document > and pin down > though in that complete process. When we examine a > chart here or in > similar settings we are probably working more as > technicians. But > even when we describe the combinations etc that lead > to a > conclusion, can we always give the full picture, can > we capture all > the logical trains that are running as we see the > chart then recall > and capture. Some can do this very well, an example > being Marc > Boney, a California based astrologer, psychologist > and a teacher in > Deepak Chopra's institution (I could be wrong about > that affiliation > of his). His case studies I recall were very > detailed, very logical > and a pleasure to read -- textbook astrology as he > calls those! > > , surya > vishnubhotla > <surya_prakashv> wrote: > > Dear Raghu, > > > > If I am allowed to muse ... "Intution is not a > > necessary but sufficient condition to try and be > an > > astrologer provided your interest is genuine" ... > > > > > Most of the astrologers who claim to have intution > > actually draw from their experiences of having > seen > > many charts (probably thousands) ... some may > > genuinely be gifted with intution and such people > dont > > actually need astrology to do the needful !! > > > > In any case both intution as well as astrology can > be > > learnt wtih sufficient disciplin and application > of > > the mind ! > > > > > > --- raghuvenkataj <raghuvenkataj> wrote: > > > Gentlemen, > > > > > > Is Intuition necessary qualification for an > > > Astrologer??? > > > > > > Regards, > > > Raghu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. > > http://messenger./ > > Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Messenger. http://messenger./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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