Guest guest Posted June 13, 2004 Report Share Posted June 13, 2004 Dear friends, Never shy of speaking out my mind, at least in Jyotish circles, I am going to bite the bullet and speak up, at the risk of gaining a few more barbs in my side and at the risk of offending a few more individuals. But I must do it, because it is the decree of my karma as someone once told me! Whether I seemingly question (some who do not like my cyberpersona, say: I attack!) Rishis or what is doled down to us by sanskrit pandits (even what they say then gets questioned then by other pandits and so on ...!) or contemporary vendors of information and knowledge whether those be readings or other things, or write about things like these, I feel that these unpleasant things must be expressed. A wise friend once said, "We can broom uncertainties and unpleasant goings on under the rug but there will come a time when we will trip over the lump we have created in the rug!". So, from time to time, I poke my hose under the carpet we all are standing on, so that the lump remains manageable! I am not here to do a radical surgery on the 'lump'! So, no need for anaesthesia! There are 1597 members at this site and that is a large slice of internet savvy jyotishis, comprising experienced jyotishis and jyotish students, but when it comes to response to questions like: How many have experienced a reading, what has been their experience, or software they have used, or specific issues, or even quizes that poor Tanvir and others bring to bear <and it all takes time, folks> we face a relative silence and even a void at times! If one were to do a statistical analysis here, one would find that reading requests would probably take up a lion's share of the oodles of MB that Tanvir has invested and is planning to invest as indicated earlier in his message. This despite his request not to turn this into a shop for readings. My own experience with PleaseExplain on Astroexpert.com had been identical. Many more are interested in readings and knowing about themselves and a few about their loved ones rather than actually being interested in astrology. There is a lot of hunger but no desire to go into the business of feeding others! Please do not take this as a criticism. Unless you are fed to a certain extent and satiated, you cannot begin to feed others. If the astrologer is constantly worried about his or her chart and uncertain about what will happen, come tomorrow, how can a doctor that is distressed and weighed down by his own maladies even gain the composure to distance himself from his own sufferings and begin to help others? There is a lot of confusion in jyotish, more so in the last five to ten years than before. Before, it was a hidden craft, few avenues to discuss it, but then came internet and information exploded. Mind you, this old guy is choosing his words carefully! I did not say, knowledge! The sincerity, the passion, the joy that jyotish demands and brings to an individual soul, be they client or practitioner, are rare, even when thousands and millions have now the opportunity to embrace the craft and to be led to or arrive at the cool, refreshing mountain brook that flows through our times. The water (in a chemical sense!) is still pure, as water always was and will be. But water is a superb solvent and it will absorb, and dissolve all that comes to it willingly (water-soluble impurities). Caveat emptor! RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Dear Rohini ji, Number of members may be 1500 or so. But many people become member just for the sake of it, and then are never able to contribute or write something. Active members may be hardly 100 and superactive may be 20 or so. Inder In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Dear friends, > > Never shy of speaking out my mind, at least in Jyotish circles, I am > going to bite the bullet and speak up, at the risk of gaining a few > more barbs in my side and at the risk of offending a few more > individuals. But I must do it, because it is the decree of my karma > as someone once told me! Whether I seemingly question (some who do > not like my cyberpersona, say: I attack!) Rishis or what is doled > down to us by sanskrit pandits (even what they say then gets > questioned then by other pandits and so on ...!) or contemporary > vendors of information and knowledge whether those be readings or > other things, or write about things like these, I feel that these > unpleasant things must be expressed. A wise friend once said, "We > can broom uncertainties and unpleasant goings on under the rug but > there will come a time when we will trip over the lump we have > created in the rug!". So, from time to time, I poke my hose under > the carpet we all are standing on, so that the lump remains > manageable! I am not here to do a radical surgery on the 'lump'! So, > no need for anaesthesia! > > There are 1597 members at this site and that is a large slice of > internet savvy jyotishis, comprising experienced jyotishis and > jyotish students, but when it comes to response to questions like: > How many have experienced a reading, what has been their experience, > or software they have used, or specific issues, or even quizes that > poor Tanvir and others bring to bear <and it all takes time, folks> > we face a relative silence and even a void at times! If one were to > do a statistical analysis here, one would find that reading requests > would probably take up a lion's share of the oodles of MB that > Tanvir has invested and is planning to invest as indicated earlier > in his message. This despite his request not to turn this into a > shop for readings. My own experience with PleaseExplain on > Astroexpert.com had been identical. Many more are interested in > readings and knowing about themselves and a few about their loved > ones rather than actually being interested in astrology. There is a > lot of hunger but no desire to go into the business of feeding > others! > > Please do not take this as a criticism. Unless you are fed to a > certain extent and satiated, you cannot begin to feed others. If the > astrologer is constantly worried about his or her chart and > uncertain about what will happen, come tomorrow, how can a doctor > that is distressed and weighed down by his own maladies even gain > the composure to distance himself from his own sufferings and begin > to help others? > > There is a lot of confusion in jyotish, more so in the last five to > ten years than before. Before, it was a hidden craft, few avenues to > discuss it, but then came internet and information exploded. Mind > you, this old guy is choosing his words carefully! I did not say, > knowledge! > > The sincerity, the passion, the joy that jyotish demands and brings > to an individual soul, be they client or practitioner, are rare, > even when thousands and millions have now the opportunity to embrace > the craft and to be led to or arrive at the cool, refreshing > mountain brook that flows through our times. The water (in a > chemical sense!) is still pure, as water always was and will be. But > water is a superb solvent and it will absorb, and dissolve all that > comes to it willingly (water-soluble impurities). Caveat emptor! > > RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2004 Report Share Posted June 14, 2004 Yes that is typical. , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Dear Rohini ji, > Number of members may be 1500 or so. But many people become member > just for the sake of it, and then are never able to contribute or > write something. Active members may be hardly 100 and superactive > may be 20 or so. > Inder > > In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Dear friends, > > > > Never shy of speaking out my mind, at least in Jyotish circles, I > am > > going to bite the bullet and speak up, at the risk of gaining a > few > > more barbs in my side and at the risk of offending a few more > > individuals. But I must do it, because it is the decree of my > karma > > as someone once told me! Whether I seemingly question (some who do > > not like my cyberpersona, say: I attack!) Rishis or what is doled > > down to us by sanskrit pandits (even what they say then gets > > questioned then by other pandits and so on ...!) or contemporary > > vendors of information and knowledge whether those be readings or > > other things, or write about things like these, I feel that these > > unpleasant things must be expressed. A wise friend once said, "We > > can broom uncertainties and unpleasant goings on under the rug but > > there will come a time when we will trip over the lump we have > > created in the rug!". So, from time to time, I poke my hose under > > the carpet we all are standing on, so that the lump remains > > manageable! I am not here to do a radical surgery on the 'lump'! > So, > > no need for anaesthesia! > > > > There are 1597 members at this site and that is a large slice of > > internet savvy jyotishis, comprising experienced jyotishis and > > jyotish students, but when it comes to response to questions like: > > How many have experienced a reading, what has been their > experience, > > or software they have used, or specific issues, or even quizes > that > > poor Tanvir and others bring to bear <and it all takes time, > folks> > > we face a relative silence and even a void at times! If one were > to > > do a statistical analysis here, one would find that reading > requests > > would probably take up a lion's share of the oodles of MB that > > Tanvir has invested and is planning to invest as indicated earlier > > in his message. This despite his request not to turn this into a > > shop for readings. My own experience with PleaseExplain on > > Astroexpert.com had been identical. Many more are interested in > > readings and knowing about themselves and a few about their loved > > ones rather than actually being interested in astrology. There is > a > > lot of hunger but no desire to go into the business of feeding > > others! > > > > Please do not take this as a criticism. Unless you are fed to a > > certain extent and satiated, you cannot begin to feed others. If > the > > astrologer is constantly worried about his or her chart and > > uncertain about what will happen, come tomorrow, how can a doctor > > that is distressed and weighed down by his own maladies even gain > > the composure to distance himself from his own sufferings and > begin > > to help others? > > > > There is a lot of confusion in jyotish, more so in the last five > to > > ten years than before. Before, it was a hidden craft, few avenues > to > > discuss it, but then came internet and information exploded. Mind > > you, this old guy is choosing his words carefully! I did not say, > > knowledge! > > > > The sincerity, the passion, the joy that jyotish demands and > brings > > to an individual soul, be they client or practitioner, are rare, > > even when thousands and millions have now the opportunity to > embrace > > the craft and to be led to or arrive at the cool, refreshing > > mountain brook that flows through our times. The water (in a > > chemical sense!) is still pure, as water always was and will be. > But > > water is a superb solvent and it will absorb, and dissolve all > that > > comes to it willingly (water-soluble impurities). Caveat emptor! > > > > RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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