Guest guest Posted June 18, 2004 Report Share Posted June 18, 2004 Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers in this forum, pardon my liberties. okay, here goes. i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave consisting of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of applications, radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary tool employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound vibrations. how does it effect the power called god & give positive benefits ? the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it have therapeutic values ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have mantras for specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a weak heart do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? let me know. Have a great day ahead. rgds Manju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Dear Friend, Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or destruction travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated into physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors receive the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to brain. There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the brain creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a command to perform certain physical or chemical reaction. All these happens within fraction of a second. A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into every one running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is the fire. This is the power of sound/words. This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train about 30 years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by Sir John Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras and declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without power. This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther undersigned. That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF BAD WORDS CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri Mantra brings about release of some chemicals which increases the Tejas power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. Hope your doubts are answered. Tatvam-Asi , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > okay, here goes. > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave consisting > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of applications, > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary tool > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound vibrations. > how does it effect the power called god & give positive benefits ? > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it have therapeutic values > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have mantras for > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a weak heart > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > let me know. > Have a great day ahead. > > rgds > Manju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Dear Tatvam Asi, Nnamaskaram Sir, very beautifully written. thank you. friends, personally, i strongly believe that anyone starting out should have the basic fundamentals right & have clarity on simple topics, like mantras in this instance. Can any of you raise some more basics that need to be explained ? it will help all While all of us by chance or deliberate purpose come across Tanvir-ji's site, with some problem that troubles us. it should be our efforts ALSO to just learn some 2 - 3 things and put to practice everyday. ( gentle suggestion only) I know for sure, in my case, that i can never ever reach the levels of tanvir ji or sanjeev ji or the other great person in this forum, becos life needs to be lived out too, with some direction from astrology perhaps i hope you agree & dont mistake me. best regards Manju om_tatsat_om [om_tatsat_om] Saturday, June 19, 2004 12:25 PM Re: Sound Effects Dear Friend, Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or destruction travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated into physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors receive the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to brain. There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the brain creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a command to perform certain physical or chemical reaction. All these happens within fraction of a second. A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into every one running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is the fire. This is the power of sound/words. This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train about 30 years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by Sir John Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras and declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without power. This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther undersigned. That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF BAD WORDS CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri Mantra brings about release of some chemicals which increases the Tejas power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. Hope your doubts are answered. Tatvam-Asi , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > okay, here goes. > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave consisting > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of applications, > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary tool > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound vibrations. > how does it effect the power called god & give positive benefits ? > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it have therapeutic values > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have mantras for > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a weak heart > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > let me know. > Have a great day ahead. > > rgds > Manju ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 There is the healing music of the spheres, as you must have heard I am sure. In fact in some circles it is believed that earth (due to its rotations and orbits etc) has a subsonic frequency of 7.8 cylces per second. Interestingly this is very close to some of the brain eeg waves in a state of restful alertness (not implying a causal link, but who knows). Music has also been used for aiding in meditation etc (chakra music etc) so definitely there is a profound effect on open and accepting minds (mental effects being subtle can be blocked out due to circumstances or choice). As to the link between mantra and organ (specificity) the disease generally does not arise in or affect only the organ and many different diseases can affect the same organ, so my instinct would be to look for the disease or cause of the diseases and associate that with mantras rather than with organs. Jyotish for whatever reason seems to follow closely ayurvedic principles, so there could be mantras specifically associated with the humoural states (vata, pitta etc). This would be similar to concepts such as different types of foods influencing these humoral states, or other influences etc. Just a thought ...! RR , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > okay, here goes. > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave consisting > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of applications, > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary tool > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound vibrations. > how does it effect the power called god & give positive benefits ? > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it have therapeutic values > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have mantras for > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a weak heart > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > let me know. > Have a great day ahead. > > rgds > Manju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of the bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality etc) which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music in any language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is definitely used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted with proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but life events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. Manoshi , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > Dear Friend, > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or destruction > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated into > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors receive > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to brain. > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the brain > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a command to > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into every one > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is the fire. > This is the power of sound/words. > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train about 30 > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by Sir John > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras and > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without power. > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther undersigned. > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF BAD WORDS > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri Mantra > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the Tejas > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave > consisting > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of > applications, > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary tool > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound > vibrations. > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive benefits ? > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it have > therapeutic values > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have > mantras for > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a weak > heart > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > let me know. > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > rgds > > Manju Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Dear Manoshi, You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate in our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. In sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we say «Shiva» the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras corresponding to their own realities). This would explain why people all over the world coming from hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because of that relationship between sound and form. What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound and object in other langages are related to their proximity to their roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots to the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not understand what they say because they speak in another langage we still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the Self, God. Yves www.yajna.com for yajnas services - khallopapa Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM Re: Sound Effects But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of the bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality etc) which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music in any language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is definitely used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted with proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but life events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. Manoshi , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > Dear Friend, > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or destruction > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated into > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors receive > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to brain. > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the brain > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a command to > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into every one > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is the fire. > This is the power of sound/words. > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train about 30 > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by Sir John > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras and > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without power. > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther undersigned. > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF BAD WORDS > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri Mantra > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the Tejas > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave > consisting > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of > applications, > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary tool > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound > vibrations. > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive benefits ? > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it have > therapeutic values > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have > mantras for > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a weak > heart > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > let me know. > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > rgds > > Manju ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. Subtle sound? , Yves Décarie <yves> wrote: > Dear Manoshi, > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate in our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. In sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we say «Shiva» the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras corresponding to their own realities). > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because of that relationship between sound and form. > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound and object in other langages are related to their proximity to their roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots to the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not understand what they say because they speak in another langage we still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the Self, God. > > Yves > www.yajna.com > for yajnas services > - > khallopapa > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > Re: Sound Effects > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of the > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality etc) > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music in any > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is definitely > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted with > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but life > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > Manoshi > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or destruction > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated into > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > receive > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to brain. > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the brain > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a command > to > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into every > one > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is the > fire. > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train about > 30 > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by Sir > John > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras and > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > power. > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > undersigned. > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF BAD > WORDS > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri Mantra > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the Tejas > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T \(MED\)" > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave > > consisting > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety of > > applications, > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the primary > tool > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of sound > > vibrations. > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > benefits ? > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it > have > > therapeutic values > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we have > > mantras for > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have a > weak > > heart > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > let me know. > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > rgds > > > Manju > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any second thoughts...... Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > Subtle sound? > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate in > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. In > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we say «Shiva» > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras corresponding > to their own realities). > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because of > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to their > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots to > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > Self, God. > > > > Yves > > www.yajna.com > > for yajnas services > > - > > khallopapa > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > the > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > etc) > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music in > any > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > definitely > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > with > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > life > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > destruction > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > into > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > receive > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > brain. > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > brain > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > command > > to > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > every > > one > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > the > > fire. > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > about > > 30 > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > Sir > > John > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras > and > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > power. > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > undersigned. > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > BAD > > WORDS > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > Mantra > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > Tejas > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > \(MED\)" > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave > > > consisting > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > of > > > applications, > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > primary > > tool > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > sound > > > vibrations. > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it > > have > > > therapeutic values > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > have > > > mantras for > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > a > > weak > > > heart > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Hi all, I would like to add one more point on this same discussion about the power of Mantra. As per my knowledge, every letter has its own vibration like every digit. When you speak any letter, you are creating that perticular vibration, no matter whether you chant mantra loudly or "Mansik Japa". this vibration produces its effects or existance in one's aura depending upon the level of vibraion of those letters. THe more we chant the letters, the stronger the effects is created in our aura. When mantra is being chanted for perticular Graha/ Deva/Devi, due to this effects and positive vibration in our aura, we are actually creating an image of that percular graha.deva/devi. Hence, it is as good as the y being with us, like protecting us all the time. Thus, i believe, since each and every word has its vibration, whatever we speak/chant we create its image in our surroundings and thus we get effects of it . (That is the reason we always say, if you speak good, good will happen, if you speak bad, bad will happen.) I hope you are agree with me. THis is my first participation in this group. if i need to know further about how to attend the group discussion, please let me know, Thanks lot Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom wrote: The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any second thoughts...... Gaurav , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > Subtle sound? > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > wrote: > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate in > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. In > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we say «Shiva» > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras corresponding > to their own realities). > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because of > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to their > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots to > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > Self, God. > > > > Yves > > www.yajna.com > > for yajnas services > > - > > khallopapa > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > the > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > etc) > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music in > any > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > definitely > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > with > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > life > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > destruction > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > into > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > receive > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > brain. > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > brain > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > command > > to > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > every > > one > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > the > > fire. > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > about > > 30 > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > Sir > > John > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our shastras > and > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > power. > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > undersigned. > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > BAD > > WORDS > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of SHABDA . > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > Mantra > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > Tejas > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > \(MED\)" > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure wave > > > consisting > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > of > > > applications, > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > primary > > tool > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > sound > > > vibrations. > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does it > > have > > > therapeutic values > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > have > > > mantras for > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > a > > weak > > > heart > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I hope you were only using my posting to add to the thread, because my experience, minute as it may be but very personal and intense -- with mantras; I would be the last one to even say in the most confused state of consciousness I possibly can that mantras have anything to do with words, or sound ;-) We must not confuse the airline for the destination! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > second thoughts...... > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate > in > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. > In > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > say «Shiva» > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > corresponding > > to their own realities). > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because > of > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > their > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots > to > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > > Self, God. > > > > > > Yves > > > www.yajna.com > > > for yajnas services > > > - > > > khallopapa > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > > the > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > > etc) > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music > in > > any > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > definitely > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > with > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > > life > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > destruction > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > > into > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > > receive > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > brain. > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > > brain > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > command > > > to > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > > every > > > one > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > > the > > > fire. > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > about > > > 30 > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > > Sir > > > John > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > shastras > > and > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > > power. > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > undersigned. > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > > BAD > > > WORDS > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > Tejas > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > \(MED\)" > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > wave > > > > consisting > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > > of > > > > applications, > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > primary > > > tool > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > > sound > > > > vibrations. > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does > it > > > have > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > > have > > > > mantras for > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > > a > > > weak > > > > heart > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 spoken aloud or spoken silently (manasik) or heard from the Universe (shruta) -- all of these are in a sense forms of sounds and vibrations, some gross others subtle (see my earlier posting on the mental thoughts and silently read words both of which result in listening, internally), but there is a state of vibrationsless mantra jap beyond that (those who have experienced it would know what I am talking about, it is difficult to describe anyway, kind of like trying to explain and describe what the scent of a rose is like so that others may experience the sensation). Mantras really rock in that realm. RR , Falguni Kothari <falkothari> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to add one more point on this same discussion about the power of Mantra. As per my knowledge, every letter has its own vibration like every digit. When you speak any letter, you are creating that perticular vibration, no matter whether you chant mantra loudly or "Mansik Japa". this vibration produces its effects or existance in one's aura depending upon the level of vibraion of those letters. THe more we chant the letters, the stronger the effects is created in our aura. When mantra is being chanted for perticular Graha/ Deva/Devi, due to this effects and positive vibration in our aura, we are actually creating an image of that percular graha.deva/devi. Hence, it is as good as the y being with us, like protecting us all the time. Thus, i believe, since each and every word has its vibration, whatever we speak/chant we create its image in our surroundings and thus we get effects of it . (That is the reason we always say, if you speak good, good will happen, if you speak > bad, bad will happen.) > > > > I hope you are agree with me. THis is my first participation in this group. if i need to know further about how to attend the group discussion, please let me know, > > > > Thanks lot > > > > Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > second thoughts...... > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate > in > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. > In > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > say «Shiva» > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > corresponding > > to their own realities). > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because > of > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > their > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots > to > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > > Self, God. > > > > > > Yves > > > www.yajna.com > > > for yajnas services > > > - > > > khallopapa > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > > the > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > > etc) > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music > in > > any > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > definitely > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > with > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > > life > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > destruction > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > > into > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > > receive > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > brain. > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > > brain > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > command > > > to > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > > every > > > one > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > > the > > > fire. > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > about > > > 30 > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > > Sir > > > John > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > shastras > > and > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > > power. > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > undersigned. > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > > BAD > > > WORDS > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > Tejas > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > \(MED\)" > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > wave > > > > consisting > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > > of > > > > applications, > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > primary > > > tool > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > > sound > > > > vibrations. > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does > it > > > have > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > > have > > > > mantras for > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > > a > > > weak > > > > heart > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I believe the technical term is transduction, but I could be wrong. It is like tapping a finger on the keyboard. It is not the tap or the motion of the finger that is critical in what I want to convey to you, but given this medium, that is the only effective way for me to transfer my thought to your consciousness. Does this analogy make sense? Who are we communicating with when we chant a mantra? RR , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > I hope you were only using my posting to add to the thread, because > my experience, minute as it may be but very personal and intense -- > with mantras; I would be the last one to even say in the most > confused state of consciousness I possibly can that mantras have > anything to do with words, or sound ;-) > > We must not confuse the airline for the destination! > > RR > > > , "Gaurav Sharma" > <gauravkom> wrote: > > The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. > But > > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the > Japa > > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. > The > > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > > second thoughts...... > > > > Gaurav > > > > > > , "rohiniranjan" > <rrgb@s...> > > wrote: > > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > > > > , Yves Décarie > <yves> > > > wrote: > > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually > translate > > in > > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That > is > > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh > when > > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is > different. > > In > > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually > pronounced > > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > > say «Shiva» > > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects > have > > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of > all > > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your > consciouness > > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > > corresponding > > > to their own realities). > > > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is > because > > of > > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between > sound > > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > > their > > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its > roots > > to > > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and > object > > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage > we > > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak > from > > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, > which > > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras > in > > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, > the > > > Self, God. > > > > > > > > Yves > > > > www.yajna.com > > > > for yajnas services > > > > - > > > > khallopapa > > > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning > of > > > the > > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may > have > > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, > quality > > > etc) > > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad > music > > in > > > any > > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > > definitely > > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > > with > > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person > but > > > life > > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > > destruction > > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is > translated > > > into > > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone > receptors > > > > receive > > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > > brain. > > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and > the > > > brain > > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > > command > > > > to > > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results > into > > > every > > > > one > > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where > is > > > the > > > > fire. > > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > > about > > > > 30 > > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters > by > > > Sir > > > > John > > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > > shastras > > > and > > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word > without > > > > power. > > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > > undersigned. > > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that > IF > > > BAD > > > > WORDS > > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > > Mantra > > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > > Tejas > > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > > \(MED\)" > > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for > you. > > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly > potent. > > > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > > wave > > > > > consisting > > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a > variety > > > of > > > > > applications, > > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > > primary > > > > tool > > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms > of > > > sound > > > > > vibrations. > > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, > does > > it > > > > have > > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do > we > > > have > > > > > mantras for > > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i > have > > > a > > > > weak > > > > > heart > > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Friends, This being has far too little knowledge about mantras , shabda, ashabda,words and vibrations than may be most of you. In all probabilities, we are communicating with innerself whan we are chanting a mantra. We are trying to create chemical changes to heal/repair/build a better being both in physical and spiritual sense. May be something of AUTO SUGGESTION. Tatvam-Asi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Dear OTS, Whether it is astrology or science or mantras -- my probings through internet communications over the last 10+ years have convinced me that all of us, seemingly randomly brought together to connect thus are really to complement and complete the knowledge matrix. Bit by bit.. never apologize for your contributions each of which is magnificient and life-altering for at least someone out of the 1600 that read you, out there! Something I wrote on a special day in my life, I want to share with my dear friends here: T H E G R A N D P L A N A darkened room on this cold winter day. I look through the window, so bright so clear. The tiniest of glimmer I barely begin to see a speck of water gelling into a crystal of ice. Uncommitted, undetermined, sans any goal it seems as it hangs about – for its friends to arrive... ordinary, ugly, tiny blobs of frozen moisture with no plans in mind but everything falling into place just as nature ordained it; they comply to the physics of chemistry. Time passes by and suddenly I see – meaningless blobs of frozen droplets no more My eyes widen in wonderment as I suddenly wake up to – the beautiful snowflake! Rohiniranjan January 26 1994 , "om_tatsat_om" <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > Friends, > > This being has far too little knowledge about mantras , shabda, > ashabda,words and vibrations than may be most of you. > > In all probabilities, we are communicating with innerself whan we are > chanting a mantra. > > We are trying to create chemical changes to heal/repair/build a > better being both in physical and spiritual sense. > May be something of AUTO SUGGESTION. > > Tatvam-Asi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Silence also has sound. When in meditation one can hear the sound of silence. Inder - In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> wrote: > Dear OTS, > > Whether it is astrology or science or mantras -- my probings through > internet communications over the last 10+ years have convinced me > that all of us, seemingly randomly brought together to connect thus > are really to complement and complete the knowledge matrix. Bit by > bit.. never apologize for your contributions each of which is > magnificient and life-altering for at least someone out of the 1600 > that read you, out there! > > Something I wrote on a special day in my life, I want to share with > my dear friends here: > > > T H E G R A N D P L A N > > A darkened room on this cold winter day. > I look through the window, so bright so clear. > The tiniest of glimmer I barely begin to see > a speck of water gelling into a crystal of ice. > Uncommitted, undetermined, sans any goal it seems > as it hangs about – > for its friends to arrive... > > ordinary, ugly, tiny blobs of frozen moisture > with no plans in mind but everything falling into place > just as nature ordained it; they comply to the physics of chemistry. > Time passes by and suddenly I see – > meaningless blobs of frozen droplets no more > My eyes widen in wonderment as I suddenly wake up to – > the beautiful snowflake! > > Rohiniranjan > January 26 1994 > > , "om_tatsat_om" > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > Friends, > > > > This being has far too little knowledge about mantras , shabda, > > ashabda,words and vibrations than may be most of you. > > > > In all probabilities, we are communicating with innerself whan we > are > > chanting a mantra. > > > > We are trying to create chemical changes to heal/repair/build a > > better being both in physical and spiritual sense. > > May be something of AUTO SUGGESTION. > > > > Tatvam-Asi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 So are we saying that one need not chant Mantras loudly to get benefits ? i hope so, becos i feel terribly shy & conscious when suddenly people come into my room while chanting, i know i shuouldn't but somehow i am unable to shake this off. Please let me know that whether we can concentrate with eyes closed and repeat the mantras in the mind. rgds, Manju rohiniranjan [rrgb] Monday, June 21, 2004 2:47 AM Re: Sound Effects I hope you were only using my posting to add to the thread, because my experience, minute as it may be but very personal and intense -- with mantras; I would be the last one to even say in the most confused state of consciousness I possibly can that mantras have anything to do with words, or sound ;-) We must not confuse the airline for the destination! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > second thoughts...... > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate > in > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. > In > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > say «Shiva» > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > corresponding > > to their own realities). > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because > of > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > their > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots > to > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > > Self, God. > > > > > > Yves > > > www.yajna.com > > > for yajnas services > > > - > > > khallopapa > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > > the > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > > etc) > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music > in > > any > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > definitely > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > with > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > > life > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > destruction > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > > into > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > > receive > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > brain. > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > > brain > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > command > > > to > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > > every > > > one > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > > the > > > fire. > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > about > > > 30 > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > > Sir > > > John > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > shastras > > and > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > > power. > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > undersigned. > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > > BAD > > > WORDS > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > Tejas > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > \(MED\)" > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > wave > > > > consisting > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > > of > > > > applications, > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > primary > > > tool > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > > sound > > > > vibrations. > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does > it > > > have > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > > have > > > > mantras for > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > > a > > > weak > > > > heart > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Dear Mr. Manju, Yes you can recite the mantras in the mind as per my opinion. Om Namay Shivay! With warm regards. Sanjeev --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath wrote: So are we saying that one need not chant Mantras loudly to get benefits ? i hope so, becos i feel terribly shy & conscious when suddenly people come into my room while chanting, i know i shuouldn't but somehow i am unable to shake this off. Please let me know that whether we can concentrate with eyes closed and repeat the mantras in the mind. rgds, Manju rohiniranjan [rrgb] Monday, June 21, 2004 2:47 AM Re: Sound Effects I hope you were only using my posting to add to the thread, because my experience, minute as it may be but very personal and intense -- with mantras; I would be the last one to even say in the most confused state of consciousness I possibly can that mantras have anything to do with words, or sound ;-) We must not confuse the airline for the destination! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > second thoughts...... > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate > in > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. > In > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > say «Shiva» > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > corresponding > > to their own realities). > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because > of > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > their > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots > to > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > > Self, God. > > > > > > Yves > > > www.yajna.com > > > for yajnas services > > > - > > > khallopapa > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > > the > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > > etc) > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music > in > > any > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > definitely > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > with > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > > life > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > destruction > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > > into > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > > receive > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > brain. > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > > brain > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > command > > > to > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > > every > > > one > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > > the > > > fire. > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > about > > > 30 > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > > Sir > > > John > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > shastras > > and > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > > power. > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > undersigned. > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > > BAD > > > WORDS > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > Tejas > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > \(MED\)" > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > wave > > > > consisting > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > > of > > > > applications, > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > primary > > > tool > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > > sound > > > > vibrations. > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does > it > > > have > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > > have > > > > mantras for > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > > a > > > weak > > > > heart > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Thanks Sanjeev bhaiya. with warm regards Manju sanjeev kayasth [sanjeev2030] Monday, June 21, 2004 4:11 PM RE: Re: Sound Effects Dear Mr. Manju, Yes you can recite the mantras in the mind as per my opinion. Om Namay Shivay! With warm regards. Sanjeev --- "Manjunath, T (MED)" <T.Manjunath wrote: So are we saying that one need not chant Mantras loudly to get benefits ? i hope so, becos i feel terribly shy & conscious when suddenly people come into my room while chanting, i know i shuouldn't but somehow i am unable to shake this off. Please let me know that whether we can concentrate with eyes closed and repeat the mantras in the mind. rgds, Manju rohiniranjan [rrgb] Monday, June 21, 2004 2:47 AM Re: Sound Effects I hope you were only using my posting to add to the thread, because my experience, minute as it may be but very personal and intense -- with mantras; I would be the last one to even say in the most confused state of consciousness I possibly can that mantras have anything to do with words, or sound ;-) We must not confuse the airline for the destination! RR , "Gaurav Sharma" <gauravkom> wrote: > The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > second thoughts...... > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate > in > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. > In > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > say «Shiva» > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > corresponding > > to their own realities). > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because > of > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > their > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots > to > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > > Self, God. > > > > > > Yves > > > www.yajna.com > > > for yajnas services > > > - > > > khallopapa > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > > the > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > > etc) > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music > in > > any > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > definitely > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > with > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > > life > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > destruction > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > > into > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > > receive > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > brain. > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > > brain > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > command > > > to > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > > every > > > one > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > > the > > > fire. > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > about > > > 30 > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > > Sir > > > John > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > shastras > > and > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > > power. > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > undersigned. > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > > BAD > > > WORDS > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > Tejas > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > \(MED\)" > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > wave > > > > consisting > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > > of > > > > applications, > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > primary > > > tool > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > > sound > > > > vibrations. > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does > it > > > have > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > > have > > > > mantras for > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > > a > > > weak > > > > heart > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ --- > - > > ----------- > > > Links > > > > > > > > > / > > > > > > b.. To from this group, send an email to: > > > > > > > > > c.. Your use of is subject to the Terms > > of Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Sponsor / Terms of Service. ______________________ India Matrimony: Find your partner online. http://.shaadi.com/india-matrimony/ ~! LIFE MEANS STRUGGLE, THE FITTEST WINS SURVIVAL !~ Links Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Some really good points highlighted in the discussion. I do agree the name of God chanted correctly or incorrectly, knowingly or unknowingly, carefully or carelessly, with Bhava or without Bhava is sure to give the desired fruit. The Bhava will come by itself after some time. One more thing to know about the traditional method of the mantrajapa of any deity, the following are the steps normally taught : rsyadinyasa, karanyasa, anganyasa, reciting the dhyanasloka, japa of the mantra and phalasamarpana. Rsyadinyasa involves the chanting (with folded hands) the name of he rsi or the sage to whom the mantra was original revealed, the chandas or the metre in which the mantra is composed, the name of the devata or the deity to be meditated upon and the viniyoga or mode and purpose of using it. The various parts of he body have their presiding deities. The purpose of karanyasa and anganyasa is to invoke the deities and install them in their appropriate places. By this, the whole body is cermonically purified making it fit for the practice of meditation. The dhyanasloka describes the form of the deity to be meditated upon. This facilitates the aspirant ot imagine the living presence of he deity in his heart. Japa is the repetition of the mantra, preferably keeping count of it either on the fingers or by using the japmala. Phalasamarpana is the total dedication of all the fruits and results of the meditation and japa to the Istadevata. Again, the effect of a mantra also depends on how the japa is performed. The japa done in whispers is considered as more meritorious than the one uttered loudly, and japa done in low murmurs is still better, while mansic japa done with the tongue of thought is the most meritorious. The reason what comes to my mind is that mental Japa is more difficult. Only when all other thoughts subside there will be pleasure in mental Japa. The advantage of loud japa, which should be used with discretion, is that it shuts out all worldly sound and distractions. In the end let me put it in form of words of a famous saying "the sacred quality of power resides not in the actual sound produced but in the archetypal sound which it represents" So no matter what kind of form you are using they are all the same. Gaurav , Falguni Kothari <falkothari> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I would like to add one more point on this same discussion about the power of Mantra. As per my knowledge, every letter has its own vibration like every digit. When you speak any letter, you are creating that perticular vibration, no matter whether you chant mantra loudly or "Mansik Japa". this vibration produces its effects or existance in one's aura depending upon the level of vibraion of those letters. THe more we chant the letters, the stronger the effects is created in our aura. When mantra is being chanted for perticular Graha/ Deva/Devi, due to this effects and positive vibration in our aura, we are actually creating an image of that percular graha.deva/devi. Hence, it is as good as the y being with us, like protecting us all the time. Thus, i believe, since each and every word has its vibration, whatever we speak/chant we create its image in our surroundings and thus we get effects of it . (That is the reason we always say, if you speak good, good will happen, if you speak > bad, bad will happen.) > > > > I hope you are agree with me. THis is my first participation in this group. if i need to know further about how to attend the group discussion, please let me know, > > > > Thanks lot > > > > Gaurav Sharma <gauravkom> wrote: The power of Mantras is not only limited to sound. When we talk > about VACHNIK JAPA the importance of sound can be never ignorned. But > what about UPANSU JAPA and most important MANSIC JAPA where the Japa > carried out only in the heart without any sound or lip movements. The > power of mantras is indeed the most powerful in these cases. Any > second thoughts...... > > Gaurav > > > , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Most people when they think thoughts or when they read silently > > actually hear those words inside as sound, usually in their own > > voice. It takes a bit of doing to figure that this is so. > > > > Subtle sound? > > > > > > , Yves Décarie <yves> > > wrote: > > > Dear Manoshi, > > > > > > You are right, the meaning that we can intellectually translate > in > > our consciousness in terms of ideas, emotions, as an important > > aspect about how we will react to the words. This is part of our > > education, to learn the meanings of things in our cultures. That is > > why if someone shout at you in cantonese you might just laugh when > > he says that you are stupid when you don't understand cantonese. > > > > > > In the case of mantras, which are in sanskrit, it is different. > In > > sanskrit, which use the devanagari, the sounds actually pronounced > > correspond exactly to the form of the object. So when we > say «Shiva» > > the form of the God Shiva is in the word Shiva. As all objects have > > a correspondant vibrationnal state, (that we know from physics), > > sanskrit transalate in sounds the actual vibrationnal state of all > > objects. If you could materialize the vibrationnal state of the > > sound Shiva, Shiva would appear in front of you. The use of the > > mantras will then bring the qualities of Shiva in your consciouness > > when you meditate on Shiva ( or with any other mantras > corresponding > > to their own realities). > > > > > > This would explain why people all over the world coming from > > hundreds different langages can get benefits from mantras in > > Sanskrit even if they don't understand the mantras. It is because > of > > that relationship between sound and form. > > > > > > What about the other langages? The correspondance between sound > > and object in other langages are related to their proximity to > their > > roots to sankrit. If a word in English is very close by its roots > to > > the root in Sanskrit, the correspondance between sound and object > > can be 80% or 90%, if it is far it can be 10%. > > > > > > So why when we listen to realized being, even if we do not > > understand what they say because they speak in another langage we > > still feel good about what they say? Simply because they speak from > > the source from the Self on the level of their consciouness, which > > is also the origine of sanskrit. The langage of a realized man > > speaking in any langages will have the same effects then mantras in > > sankrit, because the vibrationnal mode is the same, the Source, the > > Self, God. > > > > > > Yves > > > www.yajna.com > > > for yajnas services > > > - > > > khallopapa > > > > > > Saturday, June 19, 2004 11:52 AM > > > Re: Sound Effects > > > > > > > > > But what if the other person had not understood the meaning of > > the > > > bad words delivered to him? He may not have reacted or may have > > > depending on the tone of the sound or the way the words were > > > delivered to him. So it must be the sound( tone, pitch, quality > > etc) > > > which effects the person rather than the words. eg. sad music > in > > any > > > language can bring out the emotions in a person. Music is > > definitely > > > used as a healer in many therapies. Sanskrit mantras chanted > > with > > > proper pronunciation must be having an effect on a person but > > life > > > events...? I have still to go into deep to comment on this. > > > > > > Manoshi > > > > > > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friend, > > > > > > > > Thoughts which are basis of creation, sustainence or > > destruction > > > > travel over vehicle of sound.Power of thoughts is translated > > into > > > > physical/chemical energy by the body's nervous system. > > > > > > > > Sound is the basis of chemical and physical reactions . > > > > When a person hears a particular sound, the nurone receptors > > > receive > > > > the vibrations and by chemical change takes the message to > > brain. > > > > There is another chemical reaction that takes place and the > > brain > > > > creates a chemical mapping and understands and releases a > > command > > > to > > > > perform certain physical or chemical reaction. > > > > All these happens within fraction of a second. > > > > > > > > A simple alarm by sound " There is FIRE...RUN" results into > > every > > > one > > > > running helter skelter. No one even bothers to know where is > > the > > > fire. > > > > This is the power of sound/words. > > > > > > > > This being had an arguement with a co-traveller on a train > > about > > > 30 > > > > years back . The book in the hand was Garland of Letters by > > Sir > > > John > > > > Woodroff dealing with Mantra and Tantra. > > > > > > > > A similar doubt was raised by a person who abused our > shastras > > and > > > > declared that mantras were nothing but jumble of word without > > > power. > > > > This being heard him out and just called him a bad name. > > > > > > > > The person in question jumped up and almost beat up ther > > > undersigned. > > > > That is when he was explained after he calmed down, that IF > > BAD > > > WORDS > > > > CAN AFFECT HIM SO MUCH, THEN HOW POWERFUL MANTRAS CAN BE?? > > > > No need to say that the person understood the power of > SHABDA . > > > > > > > > In your case, hearing ADITYA HRIDAYA and chanting Gayatri > > Mantra > > > > brings about release of some chemicals which increases the > > Tejas > > > > power which strengthens the heart as Sun Rules over heart. > > > > Your heart can surely be made more powerful with mantras. > > > > > > > > Hope your doubts are answered. > > > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Manjunath, T > > \(MED\)" > > > > <T.Manjunath@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, i have yet another question to pose for you. > > > > > i dont know, but i seem to want to find all my answers > > > > > in this forum, pardon my liberties. > > > > > > > > > > okay, here goes. > > > > > > > > > > i've read that sound as a form of energy is highly potent. > > > > > > > > > > scientifically speaking, sound is a mechanical pressure > wave > > > > consisting > > > > > of compressions & rarefractions, which we use in a variety > > of > > > > applications, > > > > > radar, sonar, and in the co. i work for, sound is the > > primary > > > tool > > > > > employed... in the form of ultrasonics..to diagonse. > > > > > > > > > > Enough build-up huh ? okay, here's the question > > > > > > > > > > if the mantras ( or prayers) are highly optimised forms of > > sound > > > > vibrations. > > > > > how does it effect the power called god & give positive > > > benefits ? > > > > > > > > > > the real question is if sound indeed is so powerful, does > it > > > have > > > > therapeutic values > > > > > ( no, not growing plants with music.. beyond that), do we > > have > > > > mantras for > > > > > specific human ailments or organs... gaurav ji said, i have > > a > > > weak > > > > heart > > > > > do we have mantras to improve health of our organs?? > > > > > > > > > > let me know. > > > > > Have a great day ahead. > > > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > > Manju > > > > > > > > > > > > ~! 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Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Sound whether heard by external ears or internal ears can only be sound. Silence and darkness are similar, absence of sound and absence of light, respectively. Even imagined sound will destroy silence! , "Inder" <indervohra2001> wrote: > Silence also has sound. > When in meditation one can hear the sound of silence. > Inder > - In , "rohiniranjan" <rrgb@s...> > wrote: > > Dear OTS, > > > > Whether it is astrology or science or mantras -- my probings > through > > internet communications over the last 10+ years have convinced me > > that all of us, seemingly randomly brought together to connect > thus > > are really to complement and complete the knowledge matrix. Bit by > > bit.. never apologize for your contributions each of which is > > magnificient and life-altering for at least someone out of the > 1600 > > that read you, out there! > > > > Something I wrote on a special day in my life, I want to share > with > > my dear friends here: > > > > > > T H E G R A N D P L A N > > > > A darkened room on this cold winter day. > > I look through the window, so bright so clear. > > The tiniest of glimmer I barely begin to see > > a speck of water gelling into a crystal of ice. > > Uncommitted, undetermined, sans any goal it seems > > as it hangs about – > > for its friends to arrive... > > > > ordinary, ugly, tiny blobs of frozen moisture > > with no plans in mind but everything falling into place > > just as nature ordained it; they comply to the physics of > chemistry. > > Time passes by and suddenly I see – > > meaningless blobs of frozen droplets no more > > My eyes widen in wonderment as I suddenly wake up to – > > the beautiful snowflake! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > January 26 1994 > > > > , "om_tatsat_om" > > <om_tatsat_om> wrote: > > > > > > Friends, > > > > > > This being has far too little knowledge about mantras , shabda, > > > ashabda,words and vibrations than may be most of you. > > > > > > In all probabilities, we are communicating with innerself whan > we > > are > > > chanting a mantra. > > > > > > We are trying to create chemical changes to heal/repair/build a > > > better being both in physical and spiritual sense. > > > May be something of AUTO SUGGESTION. > > > > > > Tatvam-Asi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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